Pro and Con 1816

Posted 8-112-14

IT TOOK AWHILE TO REALIZE THAT THIS IS A FISH, BUT IT IS A PRETTY ONE

MY POST TO PASTOR BOB ON FIVE DOVES SITE

It is nice discussing things with you. I appreciate the fact that you have studied these things a lot.

Rev. 2:22 reveals the timing of both Raptures, Mid and Post Trib.

At the time of the Mid-Trib Rapture, Thyatira is cast into the Great Tribulation.

Rev 2:22 says, "Behold, I will (i.e., at the time of the First-Trump Rapture) CAST HER (i.e., the church of Thyatira, meaning continual sacrifice) into a bed, and them that commit adultery (i.e., join the Harlot Church of Babylon) with her INTO GREAT TRIBULATION (i.e., the last half of the Tribulation), except they repent of their deeds."

FIRST-TRUMP RAPTURE, RAISED INCORRUPTIBLE, BUT NOT YET IMMORTAL

1Th 4:13-18 says, "But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent (phthano, precede) them which are asleep. 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words."

Rev 3:10 says to the Philadelphian Church, "Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour (hora, day, hour, instant, season) of temptation (i.e., the temptation to take the Mark of the Beast in the Great Tribulation), which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth."

LAST-TRUMP RAPTURE, RAISED INCORRUPTIBLE, THEN BECOME IMMORTAL

1Co 15:51-54 says, "Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory."

Rev 7:9-15 says, "After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; 10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb. 11 And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God, 12 Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen. 13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? 14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 15 Therefore are they before the throne of God".

Deu 4:30, 31 says, "When thou art in tribulation, and all these things are come upon thee, even in the latter days, if thou turn to the LORD thy God, and shalt be obedient unto his voice; 31 (For the LORD thy God is a merciful God;) he will not forsake thee, neither destroy thee, nor forget the covenant of thy fathers which he sware unto them."

Rev_7:14 says, "And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they (i.e., the 144,000 Israelites, the Laodiceans, and so many others that they can't be numbered) which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb."

May God bless you much. Agape

WHY DO MUSLIMS KISS THE BLACK STONE IN THE KABBA?

By Marilyn Agee

"The Black Stone of Mecca, or Kaaba Stone, is a Muslim relic, which according to Islamic tradition dates back to the time of Adam and Eve. It is the eastern cornerstone of the Kaaba, the ancient sacred stone building towards which Muslims pray, in the center of the Grand Mosque in Mecca, Saudi Arabia. The Stone is a dark rock, polished smooth by the hands of millions of pilgrims, that has been broken into a number of fragments cemented into a silver frame in the side of the Kaaba." (http://www.crystalinks.com/blackstone.html)

To me, it is an asteroid, probably a piece of Satan's planet Rahab. Kissing the stone indicates that one worships the lord of the planet Rahab (now our Asteroid Belt), Satan. At the present time, he lives on a piece of Rahab called Wormwood.

Psa_89:9-11 says, "Thou rulest the raging of the sea: when the waves thereof arise, thou stillest them. 10 Thou hast broken Rahab in pieces, as one that is slain; thou hast scattered thine enemies with thy strong arm. 11 The heavens are thine, the earth also is thine: as for the world and the fulness thereof, thou hast founded them."

There is a connection between the raging of the sea and the breaking of Rahab in pieces. A large piece of the planet Rahab dug our Pacific Basin and killed the huge animals on Earth.

The deepest part of the Pacific Ocean is the Mariana Trench, 36,201 ft. deep, almost 7 miles deep. Oddly enough, it is only 43 miles wide. The asteroid that dug it might be buried at the far end. The pressure in the trench is 1000 times that at sea level, making exploration difficult, but we have been able to find out that microbial life and shrimp flourish there.

There is also a connection between Rahab and the destruction of Babylon in the near future. Psa_87:4 says, "I will make mention of Rahab and Babylon to them that know me".

THE BESOM OF DESTRUCTION IS ABOUT TO SWEEP THIS PLANET AGAIN, DESTROYING BABYLON NEAR THE EUPHRATES RIVER

Isa 51:9 says, "Awake, awake, put on strength, O arm of the LORD; awake, as in the ancient days, in the generations of old. Art thou not it that hath cut (chatsab, split) Rahab (meaning proud), and wounded the dragon? (i.e., Satan, whose pride was his downfall)."

Isa 14:22,23 says, "For I will rise up against them, saith the LORD of hosts, and cut off from Babylon the name, and remnant, and son, and nephew, saith the LORD. I will also make it a possession for the bittern, and pools of water: and I will sweep it with the besom (matate, broom) of destruction (i.e., the asteroid Wormwood), saith the LORD of hosts."

Zec 13:9 says, "And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God."

Rev 6:12,13 says, "And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; 13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth".

Rev 6:17 says, "For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?"

IN THE ANCIENT DAYS, WHY WAS SATAN'S PLANET BROKEN INTO PIECES

Eze 28:14-16 says, "Thou (i.e., Satan) art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God (i.e., Saturn; Eze 1:1,26-28); thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire (i.e., on Rahab). 15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee. 16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub (i.e., Satan), from the midst of the stones of fire."

Jude 1:6 says, "And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation (i.e., on the planet Rahab, now our Asteroid Belt), he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day" (i.e., the great and terrible Day of the Lord).

Psa_89:10 says, "Thou hast broken Rahab in pieces, as one that is slain; thou hast scattered thine enemies with thy strong arm."

WHAT WILL HAPPEN IN OUR DAYS?

It looks like a piece of Satan's planet, the asteroid Wormwood, will hit Earth on the great and terrible Day of the Lord.

Joel 2:1,2 says, "Blow ye the trumpet in Zion (i.e., it is the Feast of Trumpets), and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand; 2 A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations."

Rev 8:10,11 says, "And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters; 11 And the name of the star is called Wormwood (meaning bitter): and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter."

Isa 22:16-19 says, "What hast thou here? (Babylon) and whom hast thou here (the Satan-possessed False Prophet), that thou hast hewed thee out a sepulchre here, as he (Satan) that heweth him out a sepulchre on high, and that graveth an habitation for himself in a rock? (i.e., in the asteroid Wormwood) 17 Behold, the LORD will carry thee away with a mighty captivity, and will surely cover (atah, atah; wrap, cover, turn aside, roll) thee. 18 He will surely violently turn and TOSS THEE LIKE A BALL into a large country (i.e., not tiny Israel): there shalt thou die, and there the chariots of thy glory shall be the shame of thy lord's house. 19 And I will drive thee from thy station, and from thy state shall he pull thee down."

ISAAC AND ISHMAEL

Abraham had two sons, Isaac and Ishmael. Many descended from Isaac (Hebrews) worship Yahweh today. Many descended from Ishmael (Arabs) worship Satan. The saved out of both groups are called Christians today. They have accepted Christ as their own personal Saviour, and are trusting Him to transport us to another planet, the third Heaven (1. Mars, 2. Jupiter, and 3. Saturn).

Josephus, a Pharisee priest, showed us that the candlestick represented the Sun, Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn. (Ant. III. VI. 7; Wars, V. V. 5)

In 2Co 12:2-4, Paul said, "I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the THIRD HEAVEN (1. Mars, 2. Jupiter, and 3. Saturn). 3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) 4 How that he was caught up into paradise (i.e., heaven), and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter."

The day of our rapture to the third heaven is coming soon, maybe on the Feast of Trumpets, the birthday of Jesus, Thu. Sept. 25, 2014. Believers are the Body of Christ, so it seems likely. The birthstone for September is the sapphire, which means heaven.

The throne of Jesus is on the sapphire, which means dear to the planet Saturn, from the Sanskrit Sani, Saturn, and priya, dear. As Jesus' September birthstone, the sapphire also means heaven.

"Medieval clergy wore sapphires to symbolize heaven, while commoners thought the gem attracted heavenly blessings." (www.americangemsociety.org/september-birthstone)

The blue Sapphire represents Saturn.

Eze. 28:13 says, "Thou (Satan) hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering (surroundings), the sardius (Mercury), topaz (Venus), and the DIAMOND (EARTH), the beryl (Mars), the onyx (Rahab, Satan's planet that is now our Asteroid Belt), and the jasper (Jupiter), the SAPPHIRE (SATURN), the emerald (Uranus), and the carbuncle (Neptune), and gold (Pluto)".

"THE HEAVENS WERE OPEN, AND I SAW VISIONS OF GOD" (EZE 1:1)

Eze 1:15 Now as I beheld the living creatures (lively flying things), behold one wheel (i.e., orbit) upon the EARTH by the living creatures, with his four faces " (i.e., it faces east, south, west, and north)."

Eze 1:26-28 says, "And above the firmament (expanse of space) that was over their heads was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone: and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man (i.e., the only God/man is Jesus) above upon it. 27 And I saw as the colour of amber (i.e., Saturn is the only amber planet in our Solar System), as the appearance of fire round about within it, from the appearance of his loins even upward (i.e., from the equator), and from the appearance of his loins even downward, I saw as it were the appearance of fire, and it had brightness round about. 28 As the appearance of the bow (the rainbow) that is in the cloud in the day of rain, so was the appearance of the brightness round about (i.e., Saturn's ring system). This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the LORD."

PSA 2:12 DOES NOT SAY, KISS THE STONE; IT SAYS "KISS THE SON"

It says, "KISS THE SON (bar, son), lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled (baar, set on fire) but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him."

His wrath will be kindled a little in the first half of the Tribulation.

His wrath will be kindled a lot in the last half, the Great Tribulation.

The first half will end with the First-Trump Rapture of I Thess 4:13-18.

The last half will end with the Last-Trump Rapture of I Cor 15:51-54.

1Th 4:13-18 says, "But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent (phthano, precede) them which are asleep. 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words."

1Co 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory."

WHAT IS THE SON OF GOD'S NAME?

In the Old Testament, Proverbs 30:4 says, "Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? (God) who hath gathered the wind in his fists (God) who hath bound the waters in a garment? (God) who hath established all the ends of the earth? (God) what is his name (Yahweh), and WHAT IS HIS SON'S NAME (Jesus), if thou canst tell?"

I know him. One time, he even woke me up in the night and said, "Be still and know that I am God."

Psa_46:10,11 says, "Be still, and know that I am God: I will be exalted among the heathen, I will be exalted in the earth. The LORD of hosts is with us; the God of Jacob is our refuge. Selah."

Selah means stop and think about that.

WHO DO THE MUSLIMS SAY JESUS IS?

http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/5/
"God sent messengers to all nations, and to the Kingdom of Babylon He sent Abraham – one of the earliest and greatest prophets – who called his people to reject the worship of the idols to which they were devoted. He called them to Islam, but they rejected him and even tried to kill him. God put Abraham through many tests, and he proved true to all of them. For his many sacrifices, God proclaimed that he would raise from amongst his progeny a great nation and choose prophets from amongst them. Whenever people from his progeny started to stray away from the Truth, which was to worship none but God alone and to obey His commandments, God sent them another messenger steering them back to it."

THE MUSLIMS SAY JESUS IS A PROPHET, BUT ONE OF MANY

They say, "Consequently, we see that many prophets were sent amongst the progeny of Abraham, such as his two sons Isaac and Ishmael, along with Jacob (Israel), Joseph, David, Solomon, Moses, and of course, Jesus, to mention a few, may the peace and blessings of God be upon them all. Each prophet was sent to the Children of Israel (the Jews) when they went astray from the true religion of God, and it became obligatory upon them to follow the messenger which was sent to them and obey their commandments. All of the messengers came with the same message, to reject worship of all other beings except God Alone and to obey His commandments. Some disbelieved in the prophets, while others believed. Those that believed were followers of Islam, or Muslims.

MUHAMMAD IS "FROM THE PROGENY OF ISHMAEL"

They say, "From amongst the messengers was Muhammad, may the mercy and blessings of God be upon him, from the progeny of Ishmael, the son of Abraham, may the mercy and blessings of God be upon him, who was sent as a messenger in succession to Jesus. Muhammad preached the same message of Islam as the previous prophets and messengers - to direct all worship to God Alone and none else and to obey His commandments - in which the followers of the previous prophets went astray.

"So as we see, the Prophet Muhammad was not the founder of a new religion, as many people mistakenly think, but he was sent as the Final Prophet of Islam. By revealing His final message to Muhammad, which is an eternal and universal message for all of mankind, God finally fulfilled the covenant that He made with Abraham.

"Just as it was incumbent upon the those who were alive to follow the message of the last of the succession of prophets which was sent to them, it becomes incumbent upon all of humanity to follow the message of Muhammad."

BUT GOD ESTABLISHED HIS COVENANT WITH ISAAC, NOT ISHMAEL OR MUHAMMAD

Gen 17:18-21 says, "And Abraham said unto God, O that Ishmael might live before thee! 19 And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his seed after him. 20 And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation. 21 But my covenant will I establish with Isaac, which Sarah shall bear unto thee at this set time in the next year."

Today, there is war between the descendants of Isaac and the descendants of Ishmael. Those descended from Ishmael planned to finish their tunnels and attack the descendants of Isaac on the upcoming Feast of Trumpets, Thu. Sept. 25, 2014, which may be the first day of the Great Tribulation. If so, it may be the day that Satan and his fallen angels will be kicked out of Heaven, and the day of the First-Trump Rapture.

HOWEVER, THE MOON WILL BE UNDER VIRGO'S FEET ON SEPT. 27

Rev 12:1-12 says, "And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: 2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered. 3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. 4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born. 5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne. 6 And the woman (i.e., Israel) fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place (i.e., Petra) prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

Continuing, 7 "And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, 8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. 9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. 10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. 11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. 12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time" (i.e., the shortened Great Tribulation).

Rev 1:9,10 says, "I John, who also am your brother, and companion IN TRIBULATION (i.e., Mid-Trib?), and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ. 10 I was (lit., became) in the Spirit on the Lord's day (DAY OF CHRIST, DAY OF THE FIRST-TRUMP RAPTURE), and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet".

THE PHILADELPHIAN CHURCH WILL BE CAUGHT UP BEFORE THE TEN KINGS RECEIVE THEIR KINGDOM

Rev 17:12-14 says, "And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received NO KINGDOM AS YET; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. 13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast. 14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and THEY THAT ARE WITH HIM ARE CALLED, AND CHOSEN, AND FAITHFUL."

Deu 4:30,31 says, "When thou art IN TRIBULATION, and all these things are come upon thee, even in the latter days, if thou turn to the LORD thy God, and shalt be obedient unto his voice; 31 (For the LORD thy God is a merciful God;) he will not forsake thee, neither destroy thee, nor forget the covenant of thy fathers which he sware unto them."

Joh_16:33 says, "These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world YE SHALL HAVE TRIBULATION (i.e., the first half of the Tribulation or the last half, the GREAT TRIBULATION): but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world."

THE FIRST-TRUMP RAPTURE, THE DAY OF CHRIST, SEEMS TO BE MID-TRIB THE LAST-TRUMP RAPTURE IS ON THE GREAT AND TERRIBLE DAY OF THE LORD

REV. 2:22 IS THE DIVIDING LINE BETWEEN THE FIRST-TRUMP RAPTURE OF I THESS 4:13-18 AND THE LAST-TRUMP RAPTURE OF I COR. 15:51-54

At the time of the First-Trump Rapture, it says, "Behold, I will (i.e., at the First-Trump Rapture, Mid-Trib) cast her (the church of Thyatira) into a bed, and them that commit adultery (i.e., join the Harlot Church of Babylon) with her into GREAT TRIBULATION (i.e., the last half of the Tribulation), except they repent of their deeds."

To me, this shows that the First-Trump Rapture will be Mid-Trib. The Last-Trump Rapture will be on the Day of God's Wrath, the end of the Great Tribulation.

Mat_24:21 says, "For then shall be GREAT TRIBULATION, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be."

Isa 9:21 says, "For all this his anger is not turned away, but his hand is stretched out still." This is as true today as it was then.

Rev_7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of GREAT TRIBULATION, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb."

I hope the First-Trump Rapture will happen on this Feast of Trumpets, Sept. 25, 2014. The Great Tribulaton will be shortened or no flesh would be saved. Maybe the Last-Trump Rapture will take place on the Feast of Trumpets, Sept. 14, 2015.

   PC INDEX   Or Return   Home

Contact me for more information at: mjagee@verizon.net

Send me e-mail now

8641 Sugar Gum Rd, Riverside, CA 92508

© 1996-2013, Marilyn J. Agee