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Posted 10-6-14

AN UNUSUAL FISH MADE BY THE LORD


A POST ON FIVE DOVES, RE: Ola Ilori (28 Sep 2014) "THE 120th JUBILEE YEAR - THE YEAR OF OUR REDEMPTION"

"...the Lord said, My Spirit shall not forever dwell and strive with man, for he also is flesh; but his days shall yet be 120 [Jubilee] years." [Gen.6:3]

All those of us who acknowledge Jesus Christ as our Lord and God, and are keeping His commandments, have His Spirit in us!

Because we still have natural flesh and bones we, through the Holy Spirit, are continually striving against the tendency of sin in our flesh, to practice the righteousness of God!

The Lord never intended for our constant struggles with sin to continue indefinitely!

For He's allocated 120 Jubilee Years, or 6,000 Years, to end our struggles with sin by giving us bodies with solid spiritual flesh and bones, just like the glorious body He has!

"...we are citizens of heaven, and it is from there that we expect a Deliverer, the Lord Yeshua the Messiah. He will change the bodies we have in this humble state and make them like his glorious body, using the power which enables him to bring everything under his control." [Phil.3:20,21]

The Jubilee Years are in a category of there own, for the 1st Day of a Jubilee Year falls on the Day of Atonement.

For this reason Rosh Hashana is NOT on Day 1 Month 7 in a Jubilee Year, but on Day 10 Month 7!

http://torahcalendar.com/

"And you shall count seven Sabbaths of years for yourself, seven times seven years; and the time of the seven Sabbaths of years shall be to you forty-nine years. Then you shall cause the trumpet of the Jubilee to sound on the tenth day of the seventh month; on the Day of Atonement you shall make the trumpet to sound throughout all your land. And you shall consecrate the fiftieth year, and proclaim liberty throughout all the land to all its inhabitants. It shall be a Jubilee for you; and each of you shall return to his possession, and each of you shall return to his family. That fiftieth year shall be a Jubilee to you..." [Lev.25:8-11]

The phrase "proclaim liberty throughout all the land" I believe, is referring to us being set free from the bondage of corruption, when our bodies are redeemed!

For we read,

"For the earnest expectation of the creation eagerly waits for the revealing of the sons of God. For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it in hope; because the creation itself also will be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God...we ourselves groan within ourselves, eagerly waiting for the adoption, the redemption of our body."[Rom.8:19-21,23]

There's also a strong possibility that because this Years Jubilee is the 120th since the beginning of creation, the trumpet of God, Paul was referring to, was the Jubilee Trumpet.

For he said,

"...the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord." [1Thess.4:16,17]

Below are the Dates that begin the Jubilee Years 114 - 120.

Day 10 Month 7 Year 5700 [19th/20th September 1714] Jubilee Year 114.

Day 10 Month 7 Year 5750 [6th/7th October 1764] Jubilee Year 115.

Day 10 Month 7 Year 5800 [24th/25th September 1814] Jubilee Year 116.

Day 10 Month 7 Year 5850 [12th/13th September 1864] Jubilee Year 117.

Day 10 Month 7 Year 5900 [30th September/1st October 1914] Jubilee Year 118.

Day 10 Month 7 Year 5950 [16th/17th September 1964] Jubilee Year 119.

Day 10 Month 7 Year 6000 [4th/5th October 2014] Jubilee Year 120.

The Rapture Jubilee Trumpet window is from 18:21 hours Sunset [Jerusalem Time] on Saturday the 4th of October 2014.

http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20141004T1821&p0=110&msg=The+Trumpet+of+the+Jubilee&swk=1

To 18:19 hours Sunset [Jerusalem Time] on Sunday the 5th of October 2014.

http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20141005T1819&p0=110&msg=The+Trumpet+of+the+Jubilee&swk=1

...For more information on the Jubilee Cycle go to:

http://www.torahcalendar.com/

And from the frequently asks questions tab, select question 12

Choose from the 4 answers:

"The Jubilee Cycle is a cycle of 50 years in which the 50th year is a Jubilee Year."

Then click on "see answer"

MY REPLY: IS "THE YEAR OF RELEASE" AT HAND?

By Marilyn Agee, posted 10-6-14

Could this Feast of Tabernacles be the time of the First-Trump Rapture of I Thess 4:13-18? We will know soon, but does it seem likely right now? Time for deliberation is running out.

It seems very likely, because there is a year of release every 7th year, and that release comes on the Feast of Tabernacles.

> > (28 Sep 2014) "THE 120th JUBILEE YEAR - THE YEAR OF OUR REDEMPTION"

Let's put our heads together. You know far more about Hebrew things than I do.

We differ on some things, such as the date of the Crucifixion, but let's not worry about that now. Let's just take a good look at what is left of this year, 5775.

Is the Rapture likely to take place this year? The year 5775 has barely started. Trumpets and the Day of Atonement have passed, but what about the Feast of Tabernacles (Oct. 8-16)? The 16th is on Thursday. I think Charles said he dreamed that the Rapture would be on Thursday, and someone else agreed.

This year 5775 is a Sabbatical Year. It divides by 7 equally. I think the year 5776 will probably be the Jubilee Year and the year of the Second Advent on the first day, Nisan 1, Sat. April 9, 2016. Jesus said he was Lord of the Sabbath, and the Resurrection was on April 9, 30 AD. That tie-in sounds like something the Lord would do.

Did anyone announce the coming Jubilee on the Day of Atonement this year? In 27 AD, Jesus did not read the last part of Isa 61:2. It says, "and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn".

To me, there is a chance that the Day of Vengeance, the great and terrible Day of the Lord, could be the next Feast of Trumpets, Mon. Sept. 14, 2015. There will be a Solar Eclipse on the Eve of Trumpets that year.

"THE YEAR OF RELEASE" IS "THE SEVENTH YEAR"; AND THE TIME OF RELEASE IS THE FEAST OF TABERNACLES"

We just started the Sabbatical Year 5775. Tabernacles is Wed. Oct. 8 through Thu. Oct. 16, 2014.

Could the First-Trump Rapture of I Thess. 4:13-18 be during the Feast of Tabernacles? The eighth day is a special day of joy. Will we look at the sky during the nights of the feast?

> > He's allocated 120 Jubilee Years, or 6,000 Years, to end our struggles with sin by giving us bodies with solid spiritual flesh and bones, just like the glorious body He has!

Do you really think the Jubilee Cycle is 50 years? I think it is 49 years. The count of the Sabbatical Years is continuous.

IS "THE LORD'S RELEASE" AT HAND?

Deu_15:1-3 says, "At the end of every seven years thou shalt make a RELEASE. And this is the manner of the release: Every creditor that lendeth ought unto his neighbour shall release it; he shall not exact it of his neighbour, or of his brother; because it is called the LORD'S release. 3 Of a foreigner thou mayest exact it again: but that which is thine with thy brother thine hand shall release".

Deu_15:9 says, "Beware that there be not a thought in thy wicked heart, saying, The seventh year, the year of release, is at hand; and thine eye be evil against thy poor brother, and thou givest him nought; and he cry unto the LORD against thee, and it be sin unto thee."

THE RELEASE AT THE END OF EVERY SEVEN YEARS IS DURING THE FOLLOWING FEAST OF TABERNACLES

Deu_31:10-12 says, "At the end of every seven years, in the solemnity of the year of release, IN THE FEAST OF TABERNACLES, 11 When all Israel is come to appear before the LORD thy God in the place which he shall choose, thou shalt read this law before all Israel in their hearing. 12 Gather the people together, men, and women, and children, and thy stranger that is within thy gates, that they may hear, and that they may learn, and fear the LORD your God, and observe to do all the words of this law".

Joe 2:15-17 says, "Blow the trumpet in Zion (i.e., at the Feast of Trumpets), sanctify a fast (i.e., the Day of Atonement), call a solemn assembly (i.e., on the Feast of Tabernacles): 16 Gather (asaph, take up) the people, sanctify the congregation, assemble the elders, gather the children, and those that suck the breasts: let the bridegroom go forth of his chamber, and the bride out of her closet. 17 Let the priests, the ministers of the LORD, weep between the porch and the altar, and let them say, Spare thy people, O LORD, and give not thine heritage to reproach, that the heathen should rule over them: wherefore should they say among the people, Where is their God?" 18 Then will the LORD be jealous for his land, and pity his people."

Mic_4:12 says, "But they know not the thoughts of the LORD, neither understand they his counsel: for he shall gather (qabats, take up) them as the sheaves into the floor."

> > The Jubilee Years are in a category of there own, for the 1st Day of a Jubilee Year falls on the Day of Atonement.

A year has to start on the first day of the first month. To me, the next Jubilee Year starts on Nisan 1, 5776, Sat., April 9, 2016, the Anniversary of Jesus' Resurrection on April 9, 30 AD. That will be the first day of the Sacred, Regnal and Jubilee Year whose coming is announced on the previous Day of Atonement in the Sabbatical Year, 5775.

> > "The Jubilee Cycle is a cycle of 50 years in which the 50th year is a Jubilee Year."

To me, the Jubilee Cycle is a 49-year cycle. The 50th year is also the first year of the next cycle. In this way, the Jubilee cycle stays aligned with the Sabbatical Years, which is necessary. It looks like the years have been counted off by sevens ever since Adam was created.

The change from Tishri 1, when God rested in Adam's day, to Nisan 1 is in Exo_12:2. It says, "This month (i.e., Nisan, or Abib) shall be unto you the beginning of months: it shall be the first month of the year to you."

I think Jesus will return on Nisan 1, 5776, Sat. April 9, 2016.

Lev 25:8-11 says, "And thou shalt number seven sabbaths of years unto thee, seven times seven years; and the space of the seven sabbaths of years shall be unto thee forty and nine years. 9 Then shalt thou cause the trumpet of the jubile to sound on the tenth day of the seventh month, in the day of atonement (i.e., in the 49th year) shall ye make the trumpet sound throughout all your land. 10 And ye shall hallow the fiftieth year (i.e., which will start on the following Nisan 1), and proclaim liberty throughout all the land unto all the inhabitants thereof: it shall be a jubile unto you; and ye shall return every man unto his possession, and ye shall return every man unto his family. 11 A jubile shall that fiftieth year be unto you".

"THE LORD'S RELEASE" AT THE END OF EVERY SABBATICAL YEAR

Deu_15:1,2 says, "At the end of every seven years thou shalt make a release. 2 And this is the manner of the release: Every creditor that lendeth ought unto his neighbour shall release it; he shall not exact it of his neighbour, or of his brother; because it is called the LORD'S release."

Deu_15:9 says, "Beware that there be not a thought in thy wicked heart, saying, The seventh year, the year of release, is at hand; and thine eye be evil against thy poor brother, and thou givest him nought; and he cry unto the LORD against thee, and it be sin unto thee."

THE FEAST OF TABERNACLES IN THE YEAR OF RELEASE

Deu 31:10-12 says, "And Moses commanded them, saying, At the end of every seven years, in the solemnity of the YEAR OF RELEASE, IN THE FEAST OF TABERNACLES, 11 When all Israel is come to appear before the LORD thy God in the place which he shall choose, thou shalt read this law before all Israel in their hearing. 12 Gather the people together, men, and women, and children, and thy stranger that is within thy gates, that they may hear, and that they may learn, and fear the LORD your God, and observe to do all the words of this law".

In the following, the Book of Jubilees is not Scripture, but it agrees with Scripture on the Jubilee Cycle.

How Long is the Jubilee Cycle?
By W. Glenn Moore
http://www.itsaboutthattime.net/49_vrs_50_cycles.htm
(emphasis is mine)

"' . . . And Joseph took of the corn of the harvest the fifth part for the king and left four parts for them for food and for seed, and Joseph made it an ordinance for the land of Egypt until this day. And Israel lived in the land of Egypt seventeen years, and all the days which he lived were three jubilees, one hundred and forty-seven years, and he died in the fourth [2188 A.M.] 14th year of the fifth week of the forty-fifth jubilee. . . . (Jubilees 45:12-14)

"This is one of the best evidences to show how the author of Jubilees calculated the Jubilee cycles. Not only does the author speak of weeks of years, but he also states plainly that three jubilees is equal to 147 years. If he really believed the Jubilees were 50 year cycles, he would have said that three cycles were 150 years. 147 divided by three is exactly 49. The numbers from Jubilees add up exactly, and show 21 continuous weekly cycles (of years)."...

"It is not commonly known, however, the Torah plainly states that every seventh year (a Sabbatical year) it was required that they were to read the Torah in the sight of all the people, from one day to the next, during the feast of tabernacles which is "in the solemnity of the year of release." This requirement said nothing of doing this on a Jubilee year. Note what it says in Deuteronomy:
"And Moses wrote this law, and delivered it unto the priests the sons of Levi, which bare the ark of the covenant of Yahweh, and unto all the elders of Israel. And Moses commanded them, saying, At the end of every seven years, in the solemnity of the year of release, in the feast of tabernacles, When all Israel is come to appear before Yahweh thy Elohim in the place which he shall choose, thou shalt read this law before all Israel in their hearing. Gather the people together, men and women, and children, and thy stranger that is within thy gates, that they may hear, and that they may learn, and fear Yahweh your Elohim, and observe to do all the words of this law: And that their children, which have not known any thing, may hear, and learn to fear Yahweh your Elohim, as long as ye live in the land whither ye go over Jordan to possess it. (Deuteronomy 31:9-13)

"There are other texts, like the one above, that clearly teach of continuously repeating seven year cycles:

"At the end of every seven years thou shalt make a release. (Deuteronomy 15:1)

"At the end of seven years let ye go every man his brother an Hebrew, which hath been sold unto thee; and when he hath served thee six years, thou shalt let him go free from thee: but your fathers hearkened not unto me, neither inclined their ear. (Jeremiah 34:14)

"First, please notice that they are commanded to read the law in the Sabbatical year which occurs 'every seven years.'...

"The term 'every seven years' also means just what it says--a continuously repeating seven year cycle!'"

Do you agree?

> > For more information on the Jubilee Cycle go to:
http://www.torahcalendar.com/

And from the frequently asks questions tab, select question 12

Choose from the 4 answers:

"The Jubilee Cycle is a cycle of 50 years in which the 50th year is a Jubilee Year."

Then click on "see answer"

"Question 12:

Print this
Question Which phrase best describes the Jubilee Cycle found in Leviticus 25:8-10?
The Jubilee Cycle is a cycle of 50 years in which the 50th year is a Jubilee Year

The Jubilee Cycle is a perpetual group of Shemmitah cycles as determined by the rabbis

The Jubilee Cycle is a cycle of 49 years in which the 49th year is a Jubilee Year

The Jubilee Cycle is a cycle of 49 years in which the 50th year is both a Jubilee and Year 1

Correct Answer:

"The Jubilee Cycle is a cycle of 50 years in which the 50th year is a Jubilee Year."

I disagree with this information at Torah Calendar. The sabbatical years have to be continuous. Therefore, Year 50, the Jubilee Year, has to be the first year of the new count. I agree with W. Glenn Moore.

"How Long is the Jubilee Cycle?

By W. Glenn Moore

http://www.itsaboutthattime.net/49_vrs_50_cycles.htm

"Since the weekly cycle is continuous and has remained unchanged from the beginning of creation (please see my online study proving this entitled In Search of the True Sabbath located at www.itsaboutthattime.net), we can only conclude (based upon these clear facts) that the Sabbatical cycles have also remained unchanged from the time of creation. If this is so, then you cannot have a 50 year Jubilee cycle--for that would interfere with the continuously repeating 7 year cycles." Agape

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> > Hanukkah (starting on the 8th/last day thereof) always comes 280 days before Tabernacles and 280 days is human gestation. So Jesus was conceived on the Feast of Dedication (8th Day) and born on Succoth ('Tabernacled among us & He is our Succah').

I think Jesus was conceived on Kislev 24 and born on Tishri 1, when the sign in Rev 12 was in the sky. That is when the Moon is under Virgo's feet.

Hag 2:18,19 says, "Consider now from this day and upward, from the four and twentieth day of the ninth month, even from the day that the foundation of the LORD'S temple was laid, consider it. 19 Is the seed (i.e., Jesus, Gen. 3:15) yet in the barn? (a saying meaning is she pregnant) yea (YES), as yet the vine, and the fig tree, and the pomegranate, and the olive tree, hath not brought forth: from this day will I bless you."

The foundation of the Temple of the Holy Spirit, the Church, is Jesus Christ. 1Co 3:11 says, "For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ."

That foundation was laid on Kislev 24. Agape

MY REPLY

> > "As you can glean from this post if one believes that the rapture / great resurrection / Ezekiel 38-39 war all begin during the period of the sixth seal then that would be a pre-trib and also a pre-wrath situation for Christ's church......so.... we do not need to argue anymore....we are both right!!!!!!

Ezekiel 38's war cannot be pre-Trib. It follows the breaking of the sixth seal. The sixth seal cannot be broken before Jesus receives the seven-sealed book after the First-Trump Rapture.

Rev 4:1-11 describes the First-Trump Rapture. Jesus is given the seven-sealed book in Rev. 5:5.

"After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, COME UP HITHER (i.e., the First-Trump Rapture of I Thess 4:13-18), and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter. 2 And immediately I was (lit., became) in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne. 3 And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper (last stone in the breastplate) and a sardine stone (first stone in the breastplate, i.e., Jesus is the first and the last, both YHWH and Jesus): and there was a rainbow (i.e., Saturn's rings) round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald (Judah's stone in the breastplate, i.e., Jesus is the first and the last and the Lion of the tribe of Judah). 4 And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders (12 patriarchs and 12 apostles of Israel) sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold.5 And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne (1. Sun, 2. Mercury, 3. Venus, 4. Earth, 5. Mars, 6. Jupiter, 7. Saturn; Josephus, Ant. III. VI.7 and Wars. IIIII, V. 5), which are the seven Spirits of God. 6 And before the throne (i.e., on Saturn) there was a sea of glass (hualinos, transparent) like unto crystal (krustallos, ice) and in the midst of the throne, and round about the throne, were four beasts full of eyes before and behind. 7 And the first beast was like a lion (representing east, as on the flag placed on the east side of the Tabernacle), and the second beast like a calf (representing west), and the third beast had a face as a man (representing south), and the fourth beast was like a flying eagle (representing north). 8 And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come. 9 And when those beasts give glory and honour and thanks to him that sat on the throne, who liveth for ever and ever, 10 The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying, 11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created."

Rev 5:1-5 says, "And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals. 2 And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof? 3 And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon. 4 And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon. 5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda (i.e., Jesus, the only God/man), the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof."

The sixth seal is opened in Rev. 6:12. That is the Day of God's Wrath.

Rev 6:12, 13 says, "And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; 13 And the stars (aster, i.e., asteroids) of heaven fell unto the earth".

Rev 6:17 " For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?"

At this point, the second Rapture (I Cor 15:51-54) takes place. Those able to stand are the ones caught up in this, the Last Rapture.

Rev_7:17 "For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes."

Why are they crying? Eze 38:18-23 and Rev 16:17-20 tell us about the great shaking, "a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth". Satan's asteroid Wormwood will hit Babylon and a mountain-sized rock will hit the Mediterranean Sea.

Eze 38:18-23 says, "And it shall come to pass at the same time when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, saith the Lord GOD, that my fury shall come up in my face. 19 For in my jealousy and in the fire of my wrath have I spoken, Surely in that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel; 20 So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence, and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground. 21 And I will call for a sword against him throughout all my mountains, saith the Lord GOD: every man's sword shall be against his brother. 22 And I will plead against him with pestilence and with blood; and I will rain upon him, and upon his bands, and upon the many people that are with him, an overflowing rain, and great hailstones, fire, and brimstone. 23 Thus will I magnify myself, and sanctify myself; and I will be known in the eyes of many nations (i.e., they will see the Sign of the Son of Man in the sky), and they shall know that I am the LORD."

Isa 22:16-19 says, "What hast thou here? (Babylon) and whom hast thou here (the Satan-possessed False Prophet), that thou hast hewed thee out a sepulchre here, as he (Satan) that heweth him out a sepulchre on high, and that graveth an habitation for himself in a rock (i.e., the asteroid Wormwood)? 17 Behold, the LORD will carry thee away with a mighty captivity, and will surely cover thee. 18 He will surely violently turn and toss thee like a ball into a large country: there shalt thou die, and there the chariots of thy glory shall be the shame of thy lord's house. 19 And I will drive thee from thy station, and from thy state shall he pull thee down."

Rev 6:14 "And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places."

Rev 16:17-20 says, "And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done. 18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great. 19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath. 20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found." Agape

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