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Posted 10-28-14

WE ARE THE TEMPLE OF THE HOLY SPIRIT

OF THE LORD'S TEMPLE, BUILT BY SOLOMON, 1Ki 6:37,38 says, "In the fourth year was the foundation of the house of the LORD laid, in the month Zif (now called Iyar): 38 And in the eleventh year, in the month Bul (now CHESHVAN), which is the eighth month, was the house FINISHED throughout all the parts thereof, and according to all the fashion of it. So was he seven years in building it."

MAYBE THE FIRST-TRUMP RAPTURE WILL BE ON CHESHVAN 17. THE DOOR TO NOAH'S ARK WAS SHUT BY THE LORD ON CHESHVAN 17.

"GATHER THE PEOPLE" SOUNDS LIKE THE RAPTURE
COULD BE ON CHESHVAN 17, MONDAY, NOV. 10, 2014

Joel 2:15-18 says, "Blow the trumpet in Zion (i.e., on the Feast of Trumpets), sanctify a fast (i.e., on the Day of Atonement), call a solemn assembly (i.e.,on Tabernacles): 16 Gather (asaph, remove, take up) the people (i.e., on Cheshvan 17?, as in the days of Noah), sanctify the congregation, assemble the elders (i.e., those mentioned in Rev 4:4), gather the children, and those that suck the breasts: let the bridegroom (i.e., Jesus) go forth of his chamber, and the bride (i.e., the Bride of Christ, the Church) out of her closet (chuppah, canopy, chamber).17 Let the priests, the ministers of the LORD, weep between the porch and the altar, and let them say, Spare thy people, O LORD, and give not thine heritage to reproach, that the heathen should rule over them: wherefore should they say among the people, Where is their God? 18 Then will the LORD be jealous for his land, and pity his people."

Psa 149:5-9 says, "Let the saints be joyful in glory: let them sing aloud upon their beds. 6 Let the high praises of God be in their mouth, and a twoedged sword in their hand; 7 To execute vengeance upon the heathen, and punishments upon the people; 8 To bind their kings with chains, and their nobles with fetters of iron; 9 To execute upon them the judgment written: this honour have all his saints. Praise ye the LORD.

A POST ON FIVE DOVES, RE: Jean Stepnoski (26 Oct 2014) "Days of Noah (Cheshvan 10 and 17): Days of Transformation"

The rains which ushered in the Great Flood in the days of Noah began on month 2, day 17. Many scholars believe this was the month of autumnal Cheshvan rather than spring Iyar. When are Cheshvan 10 and 17 in 2014? Cheshvan 10 will be Sunday 11-2 to Monday 11-3. For the U.S.A. it will be the day before the midterm elections on 11-4. Coincidence? In the days ahead, as voters vote early or prepare to vote, most will expect life to go on as it always has for America and the world. Life as usual. Voting, by its very nature, implies expected continuity of normal circumstances for 2, 4, or 6 year periods ahead. Most voters will have decided on candidates and issues as of 11-3. Important? Yes. The VALUES we choose to UPHOLD go into eternity with us. These are part of the personal data files which the Messiah/Christ will assess and judge. The Bema.

As of Cheshvan 10, concerning those other than the 8 of the family of Noah, all the rest were completely unaware that they were living the last blissful and golden days of their customary lives. They had NO idea the tumult of rain, then deluge, was about to suddenly begin and continue for 40 worsening days and nights. All these realities were beyond their imaginings and possible understandings. Deluge, flood, terror, despair, and massive deaths were just before them. They were in THE LATTER DAYS OF THE LATTER DAYS, THE LAST DAYS of eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, planting and building, and buying and selling. Clueless were they, each and nearly all of humankind, other than 8 individuals. Cheshvan 10 to 17 was a CUSTOMARY period for most. Noah and his family were no longer available for preaching and answering any questions. No more outreach. Over. As of Cheshvan 10, they became SEPARATE from the other group and from the customary lives they had known. The CARE of pairs of clean and unclean animals and birds became their focus and work. Each day after Cheshvan 10, these 2 groups had less and less in common with each other. In the Scriptures 2 is a number to signify DIVISION and SEPARATION. Their activities and expectations were of worlds apart. THE GREAT DIVIDE and THE SEPARATION were accomplished on Cheshvan 10!

THE LITTLE FAMILY was SET APART and ESCAPED the fate of the many as of Cheshvan 10! Spiritually, the die was cast. At the conclusion of 8 days of work and mourning for Methuselah, the following were safely aboard The ARK OF LIFE and HOPE and PRESERVATION: the 8 of the Noah family, the animals and birds, personal belongings, provisions, feed and seed and straw. DAYS OF TRANSFORMATION.

So there were 2 DAYS of DIVISION and SEPARATION: the earlier was on Cheshvan 10 and the later on Cheshvan 17. Will 11-2 to 3 or 11-9 to 10 be the time of The Third Day of division and separation (of the heaven bound from the earth dwellers)? The date of 11-3 will be Day 3 of the Scriptural Week. At sundown will begin Day 4, the midst of the menorah day. According to The Book of Revelation, after entering at the open door, Christ will be seen in Heaven, standing in the midst of the menorah. From 11-9 to 10 will be the Day 1 of the Scriptural Week. WHO WILL SOON ESCAPE THE SNARE OF THE FOWLER? "As the Days of Noah were, so shall the coming of the son of man be." Premier Days of Noah: Cheshvan 10 and 17. Days of Transformation during Cheshvan in 2014? With Love and Shalom, Jean

MY REPLY

I have been thinking about Cheshvan 17 too. I hope that will be the day of the First-Trump Rapture. There are two Raptures, two days of the son of man. The first is as the days of Noah. The last is as the days of Lot. In his days, an asteroid destroyed Sodom, Gomorrah, and some other cities of the plains when it split the Great Rift Valley and punched down the bedrock of the Dead Sea.

It looks like the Lord left his calling card.

The Great Rift Valley runs from Syria (some say Turkey) to Lake Nyassa (also called Lake Malawi) in southeastern Africa. The strange thing about that lake is that the surface of the water is 1550 ft. ABOVE SEA LEVEL. In the northern section, the depth is 2,310 ft. (http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/423027/Lake-Nyasa)

The surface of the Dead Sea was punched down more than 1300 ft. BELOW SEA LEVEL. The deepest part is over 2300 ft. below sea level. The bottom still sinks by about 13 inches per year, so the depth is roughly 2310 ft., as in the northern Lake Nyassa. (http://www.extremescience.com/dead-sea.htm)

That is enough to get my attention, but there is more. We are the Temple of the Holy Spirit. Solomon's Temple took seven years to build. It was finished in the 8th month, CHESHVAN.

1Co_3:16 says, "Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?"

1Ki 6:37,38 says, "In the fourth year was the foundation of the house of the LORD laid, in the month Zif (now called Iyar): 38 And in the eleventh year (i.e., 7 years later), in the month Bul (NOW CHESHVAN), which is the eighth month, was the house FINISHED throughout all the parts thereof, and according to all the fashion of it. So was he seven years in building it."

Then the Church takes seven years to finish. The First-Trump Rapture will be Mid-Trib. The Last-Trump Rapture will be at the end of the Tribulation.

NOAH ENTERED THE ARK ON CHESHVAN 17

Gen 7:11,12 says, "In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month (Cheshvan), the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep (tehom, the deep, a surging mass of water, the subterranean water supply) broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened. 12 And the rain was upon the earth forty days and forty nights."

NOAH CAME OUT OF THE ARK ON CHESHVAN 27

Gen 8:14-17 says, "And in the second month, on the seven and twentieth day of the month, was the earth dried. 15 And God spake unto Noah, saying, 16 Go forth of the ark, thou, and thy wife, and thy sons, and thy sons' wives with thee. 17 Bring forth with thee every living thing that is with thee".

AS IT WAS IN THE DAYS OF NOAH

Luk 17:26,27 says, "as it was in the days of Noe (i.e., he floated up), so shall it be also in the DAYS (plural) OF THE SON OF MAN. 27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all."

Jesus took the Old Testament saints to Heaven and returned on the Feast of Firstfruits. That's fast.

THE OPEN DOOR AND OUR CHEERFUL, HOPEFUL, CONTINUAL, PATIENT WAITING

Rev 3:7-13 says, "And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth; 8 I know thy works: behold, I HAVE SET BEFORE THEE AN OPEN DOOR, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name. 9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee. 10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience (hupomone, cheerful, hopeful, continual, patient waiting), I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation (peirasmos, putting to proof), which shall come upon all the world, to try (peirazo, test) them that dwell upon the earth. 11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown. 12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name. 13 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches."

Is the spirit saying the second month, the seventeenth day?

THE FIRST-TRUMP RAPTURE AT MID-TRIB MARKS THE BEGINNING OF THE SHORTENED GREAT TRIBULATION

Mat 24:20-22 says, "But pray ye that your flight (i.e., the First-Trump Rapture) be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: 21 For then (tote, at that time, i.e., from the time of the First-Trump Rapture Mid-Trib) SHALL BE GREAT TRIBULATION, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened."

AT MID-TRIB, THE DECISION IS MADE, SOME OF THYATIRA WILL STAY ON EARTH DURING THE GREAT TRIBULATION

Rev_2:22 says, "Behold, I will cast her (Thyatira) into a bed, and them that commit adultery (i.e., join) with her into GREAT TRIBULATION, except they repent of their deeds."

THE LAST-TRUMP RAPTURE IS ON THE GREAT AND TERRIBLE DAY OF GOD'S WRATH AT THE END OF THE GREAT TRIBULATION

Rev 6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?"

Rev_7:14 says, "These are they which came out of GREAT TRIBULATION (i.e., the last 3.5 years of the Tribulation), and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb."

Those caught up in the First-Trump Rapture were already clothed in white robes. That made the difference between being caught up Mid-Trib or on the Day of God's Wrath at the end of the Tribulation. Agape

I WONDER IF ANY OF THIS RADIATION HIT ME. I LIVE IN RIVERSIDE, INLAND FROM LOS ANGELES. WHY DIDN'T THE GOVERNMENT LET US KNOW? DID WE NEED TO TAKE IODINE/IODIDE THEN? DO WE NEED TO TAKE IT NOW?

http://enenews.com/epa-data-hit-worst-fukushima-fallout-year-after-crisis-began-large-radiation-spike-california-rain-detected-during-2012-500-previous-test-results

"Gov't Data: US hit with worst fallout THE YEAR AFTER Fukushima began - Radioactive cesium spiked to highest levels ever recorded in history of EPA's radiation network"...

"TV: Huge increase in US Navy sailors suffering injury after Fukushima exposure - Gov't reports show USS Reagan went directly into most intense area of plume just as radioactive releases hit peak - Over 20 trillion becquerels coming from plant every second - "We're now beginning to see the real data"

"we now have 225 injured sailors - 21, 22, 23, 25-year-olds. A population that you don't usually find cancers such as leukemia, testicular cancers, uterine cancers, thyroid cancers. We also have cancers so rare only 0.001% of people have experienced it. Yet we know that radiation causes these kinds of cancers"....

"PBS: Plague along West Coast has biologists fearing extinction of species"

http://www.examiner.com/article/fukushima-radiated-west-co-cover-up "#1 Independent researchers have measured alarmingly high radiation levels on West Coast beaches. [See video on this page dated Dec. 23rd, 2013 at Pacifica State Beach showing radiation levels near the water are up to five times higher than normal background radiation.]"

On 3-12-2012, far more radioactive iodine was released than cesium, and I was woefully deficient in iodine.
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http://www.examiner.com/article/fukushima-man-made-catastrophe-hitting-west-coast-is-no-hoax
"Dangerous levels of Fukushima radiation continue to bombard United States as officials turn blind eye"

"United States officials have turned a blind eye to Fukushima's dangerous levels of radioactive materials bombarding Americans, according to University of California and Hatrick Penry's research.

"Despite the fact that University of California and this reporter's tests show high radiation in the air, water, food and dairy products in this state, the state and federal governments cut off special testing for Fukushima radionuclides more than half a year ago," states Hatrick Penry on Friday.'"...

"Collins asserts, "A March 6 Department of Biological Sciences study conducted at California State Long Beach found that kelp along the coast of California was heavily impacted by radioactive Iodine-131 one month after the meltdowns began. The virulent and deadly isotope was detected at 250 times levels the researchers said were normal in the kelp before the disaster."...

"California Department of Public Health stopped monitoring Fukushima fallout when its Radiologic Health Branch issued its last report on Oct. 10, 2011. Collins says that report showed "an alarming rise in cesium-137 in Cal Poly San Luis Obispo dairy farm milk beginning June 14, 2011, when it tested 2.95 picocuries per liter (pCi/l) and steadily rising in four subsequent tests until it was 5.91 pCi/l.

"The hot milk was at twice the allowable amount of this radionuclide in drinking water, according to the EPA's 3.0 pCi/l limit."

After that, testing stopped.

"Even detections of radioactive sulphur-35 in San Diego and plutonium-239 in Riverside did nothing to pique the interest of regulators," reports Collins." My thought: "Ouch! plutonium-239 in Riverside." My son Dave and I live in Riverside, and we were not warned. His kids are near here too.

BIBLICAL PROOF THAT THERE ARE 1260 DAYS BETWEEN THE TWO RAPTURES BEFORE THE GREAT TRIBULATION IS SHORTENED

By Marilyn Agee

From a post addressed to me on Five Doves: "looking at the calendar for the next year on the Karaite Korner website, I found that there will be an anticipated 110 day interval between Pentecost and the Feast of Trumpets in 2015. If this 110 day interval holds up for later dates which might be associated toward the end of the beasts allotted time, it would have the coming-out of a cleansed and persecuted church, who has made their robes white, on a future Pentecost. It kind of fits, doesn't it?"

I am glad you are searching for clues, but I can't see a fit there. The days in a Hebrew month do not change between Pentecost and the Feast of Trumpets in any year. The first month that can change is Cheshvan.

Nisan has 30 days.
Iyar has 29 days.
Sivan has 30 days.
Tamuz has 29 days.
Av has 30 days.
Elul has 29 days.
Tishri has 30 days.
Cheshvan has either 29 or 30 days.

For your comparison, below are the scriptures in the KJV, plus my comments.

BOTH RAPTURES ARE IN REVELATION 11, AND THERE ARE ONLY 42 MONTHS (3.5 YEARS) BETWEEN THEM, BEFORE THE GREAT TRIBULATION IS SHORTENED

The "RISE" in Rev. 11:1 is the same as the "COME UP HITHER" of Rev. 4:1. Both speak of the First-Trump Rapture.

Rev 10:11 says, "And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy AGAIN before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings."

BOTH CHAPTERS 4 AND 11 START OFF WITH THE FIRST-TRUMP RAPTURE

Rev 4:1 says, "After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, COME UP HITHER, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter."

Rev 11:1,2 says, "And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, RISE (i.e., in the First-Trump Rapture), and measure the temple of God (i.e., we are the temple of God), and the altar, and them (i.e., the saints) that worship therein. 2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months" (i.e., the last half of the Tribulation, called the Great Tribulation).

2Co_6:16 says, "And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people."

ONLY 42 MONTHS SEPARATE THE TWO RAPTURES, ONE AT MID-TRIB AND THE OTHER ON THE GREAT AND TERRIBLE DAY OF GOD'S WRATH AT THE END OF THE GREAT TRIBULATION

Therefore, there cannot be seven years between the two Raptures (as I used to think).

"Rise" in Rev. 11:1 is egeiro, lift up, take up, rouse from death. It is the First-Trump Rapture.

THE LAST-TRUMP RAPTURE IN REV. 11:12 IS ON THE DAY OF GOD'S WRATH

Rev 11:12,13 says, "And they (i.e., Moses and Elijah) heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, COME UP HITHER. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them. (Therefore, those left behind can see the raptured saints going up) 13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake (i.e., the asteroid Wormwood impacted Earth), and the tenth part of the city (i.e., Jerusalem) fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven."

That "COME UP HITHER" is the Last-Trump Rapture. There is no earthquake at the First-Trump Rapture. There is a gigantic earthquake at the Last-Trump Rapture. The 24 elders are present both times.

This is not the Second Advent. That is still future, but Jesus is ruling. He is seated as judge at the Judgment Seat of Christ on the day of the last Rapture. While he is being seated, there is silence in both Heaven and Earth.

Rev 8:1 says, "And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour."

Hab_2:20 says, "But the LORD is in his holy temple: let all the earth keep silence before him."

Rev 11:17,18 says, "We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. 18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth."

ONLY 42 MONTHS BETWEEN THE TWO RAPTURES

There are 42 months (3.5 years, or 1260 days) between the First-Trump Rapture (Mid-Trib) and the Last-Trump Rapture (on the Day of God's Wrath at the end of the Tribulation, Rev 6:17; 7-9-14).

2Th 2:1-4 says, "Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ (i.e., this is day of the Lord in 3 of our oldest Codices, see below) is at hand. 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away (apostasia, departure, i.e., the First-Trump Rapture) first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God (i.e., Mid-Trib), shewing himself that he is God."

1. The Sinaitic Codex, 331 AD
2. The Alexandrine Codex, 1078 AD
3. The Vatican Codex, 1475 or 1481 AD
Copies of these were found after the KJV was translated in 1611.

THE WHOLE 2300-DAY TRIBULATION

Dan 8:11-14 says, "Yea, he (i.e., the False Prophet) magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away (Mid-Trib), and the place of his sanctuary (i.e., on the asteroid Wormwood) was cast down. 12 And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered. 13 Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot? 14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed."

Dan 9:27 "And he (i.e., the Roman prince that shall come) shall confirm the covenant with many for one week (i.e., 7 years): and in the midst of the week (i.e., at Mid-Trib) he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations (i.e., idols) he shall make it (i.e., the Temple Mount) desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate" (or desolator).

Dan 11:31 "And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate."

Dan 11:45 "And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him."

Rev 8:10,11 says, "And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters; 11 And the name of the star (aster) is called WORMWOOD: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter."

CONCLUSION

There are two Raptures. The First-Trump Rapture of I Thess 4:13-18 is Mid-Trib. The Last-Trump Rapture of I Cor 15:51-54 is on the Day of the Lord at the end of the Tribulation. The shortened Great Tribulation takes place between the two Raptures.

Dan 12:6-10 says, "And one said to the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders? 7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half (i.e., 3.5 years); and when he shall have accomplished to scatter (naphats, dash in pieces) the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished. 8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things? 9 Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end. 10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand." Agape

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