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Posted 11-18-14

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A POST ON FIVE DOVES, RE: SHOCKER! Pope Calls Jesus and the Bible a LIE!

(VIDEO) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMAPNYZg2ug&feature=youtube_gdata_player

He said, "When we read about Creation in Genesis, we run the risk of imagining God was a magician, with a magic wand able to do everything. But that is not so. He created human beings and let them develop according to the internal laws that he gave to each one so they would reach their fulfillment."

INCOMING EMAIL, RE: WHAT HISTORICAL BIBLICAL EVENTS OCCURRED IN THE MONTH OF NISAN

Exodus 12:2-11
"This month (Nisan) shall be your beginning of months, it shall be the FIRST MONTH OF THE YEAR to you. ....On THE TENTH OF THIS MONTH (Nisan) every man shall take for himself a lamb.....Now you shall keep it UNTIL THE FOURTEENTH DAY OF THE SAME MONTH (Nisan) .....It is the Lord's Passover......You shall keep it as a feast by an EVERLASTING ORDINANCE."

God delivered the Hebrews from out of bondage in Egypt in the MONTH OF NISAN.

Joshua 4:19
"Now the people came up from the Jordan ON THE TENTH DAY OF THE FIRST MONTH (Nisan) ....."

Joshua delivered the Israelites from out of the wilderness into the Promised Land on the TENTH OF NISAN.

It was four days before Passover, on the TENTH OF NISAN, that Jesus rode into Jerusalem ON THE DAY OF PALMS, and was declared, "Hosanna, King of Israel, blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord !"

Matthew 23:39 (Jesus speaking)
"..You shall not see again UNTIL you say, "Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!"

Jesus was crucified on Passover Nisan 14, and rose from the dead after three days on Resurrection Sunday Nisan 18. God's Sacred Year Calendar begins on Nisan 1.

Watch for the NEXT Parousia of Jesus Christ to begin on Nisan 1, 2016 which is the FIRST DAY of the FIRST MONTH of the next Sacred Jubilee Year on God's Sacred Lunar Calendar. ( ie. April 8, 2016) The rapture will follow ten days later on Nisan 10 at the end of the 'Day of Palms' April 17, 2016:

Revelation 2:10
"...you will have tribulation TEN DAYS. Be faithful until death, and I WILL GIVE YOU THE CROWN OF LIFE."

The rapture will occur IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE TEN DAY TRIBULATION OF ISRAEL:

Matthew 24:29-31
"Immediately AFTER THE TRIBULATION of those days......."( in Israel) Luke 21:28
"Now when these things (tribulation in Israel) begin to happen, look up and lift up your heads, because your redemption (rapture) draws near."

God's TEN DAY great tribulation of Israel is our TEN DAY warning sign of our pending rapture. God's TEN DAY great tribulation of Israel begins on Nisan 1, 2016 ( April 8, 2016), and the rapture of His Church follows "ten days" later at the end of the day, after sunset in Israel, on Nisan 10 which is the Day of Palms April 17, 2016. As the Lord , Himself, resurrected AFTER sunset on the Saturday Sabbath the day before Sunday when the Hebrew day changed, we also will be raptured "IMMEDIATELY AFTER" (Matt 24:29) the completion of the Lord's "ten day" great tribulation of Israel.

Revelation 3:11
"Behold, I AM COMING QUICKLY !"
Scripturalist for the Lord

MY REPLY

> > It was four days before Passover, on the TENTH OF NISAN, that Jesus rode into Jerusalem ON THE DAY OF PALMS, and was declared, "Hosanna, King of Israel, blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord !"

Thank you so much for bringing the tenth of Nisan up just now, but more about that in a minute. You said,

> > Jesus was crucified on Passover Nisan 14, and rose from the dead after three days on Resurrection Sunday Nisan 18.

I think Jesus was crucified on the Preparation of the Passover, Thursday, Nisan 13.

Mat 27:62-64 (KJV) says, "Now the next day (i.e., Passover), that followed the day of the preparation (i.e., Crucifixion Day), the chief priests and Pharisees came together unto Pilate, 63 Saying, Sir, we remember that that deceiver said, while he was yet alive, After three days I will rise again. 64 Command therefore that the sepulchre be made sure until the third day, lest his disciples come by night, and steal him away, and say unto the people, He is risen from the dead: so the last error shall be worse than the first."

Mar 15:42,43 says, "And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation, that is, the day before the sabbath (i.e., it was Thursday, the day before the Passover, a High Sabbath), 43 Joseph of Arimathaea, an honourable counsellor, which also waited for the kingdom of God, came, and went in boldly unto Pilate, and craved the body of Jesus."

Jesus was dead, and it was still "the preparation.".

Joh_19:14 says, "And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!"

So we will both be on the same page, here is the way I understand Crucifixion Week. Keep in mind that the Sanhedrin met on Thursday, they did not meet on Feast days or Sabbaths. They did not meet on Friday, because it was Passover.

Joh_12:1 says, "Jesus six days before the passover came to Bethany"

Day 1. Saturday, Nisan 8, 3790, April 1, 30 AD, 6 days before Passover (Jn 12:12,13) Jesus arrived in Bethany
Day 2. Sunday, Nisan 9, April 2, Palm Sunday, Jesus rode into Jerusalem on a donkey as king
Day 3. Monday, Nisan 10, April 3, Passover lambs were selected, Jesus purified the temple, cursed the fig tree
Day 4. Tuesday, Nisan 11, April 4, fig tree was found dried up, Jesus gave the Olivet Discourse
Day 5. Wednesday, Nisan 12, April 5, Jesus was anointed for burial
Day 6. Thursday, Nisan 13, April 6, Preparation of the Passover, Crucifixion and burial
Friday, Nisan 14, April 7, Passover

Mar 15:42,43 says, "when the even was come, because it was the preparation, that is, the day before the sabbath" (Passover, a High Sabbath) Joseph of Arimathaea, an honourable counsellor, which also waited for the kingdom of God, came, and went in boldly unto Pilate, and craved the body of Jesus."

Luk 24:21 "to day (Sunday) is the third day since these things were done."

Day 1. "since", Friday, Nisan 14, April 7 (Julian), Feast of Passover
Day 2. "since", Saturday, Sabbath, Nisan 15, April 8, Feast of Unleavened Bread
Day 3. "since", Sunday, Nisan 16, April 9, Feast of Firstfruits, Resurrection Day

Mat 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth."

Day 1. Thursday
Day 2. Friday, 1st night
Day 3. Saturday, 2nd night
------ Sunday, 3rd night

Now for your good news!

> > Joshua 4:19
> > "Now the people came up from the Jordan ON THE TENTH DAY OF THE FIRST MONTH (Nisan)"

Jos 4:19,20 (KJV) says, "And the people came up (alah, ascended up) out of Jordan (meaning descender) on the tenth day of the first month (Nisan 10), and encamped in Gilgal (territory, circle, circuit, rolling thing, whirlwind, from the Hebrew galal, to roll or wheel, probably a type of Heaven, which is rotating and orbiting), in the east border of Jericho (meaning its month, fragrant). 20 And those twelve stones, which they took out of Jordan, did Joshua pitch (qum, to rise up, lift up) in Gilgal."

Strong's H5927 alah "A primitive root; to ascend, intransitively (be high) or active (mount); used in a great variety of senses, primary and secondary, literally and figuratively: - arise (up). (cause to) ascend up, at once, break [the day] (up), bring (up), (cause to) burn, carry up, cast up, + shew, climb (up), (cause to, make to) come (up), cut off, dawn, depart, exalt, excel, fall, fetch up, get up, (make to) go (away, up), grow (over), increase, lay, leap, levy, lift (self) up, light, [make] up, X mention, mount up, offer, make to pay, + perfect, prefer, put (on), raise, recover, restore, (make to) rise (up), scale, set (up), shoot forth (up), (begin to) spring (up), stir up, take away (up), work."

"This famous Gilgal is where Israel was circumcised (Joshua 5). This is remarkable because Israel had just crossed the Jordan into enemy terrain. With the river in his back, Joshua incapacitated his entire army in obedience to God. Gilgal remained the city out of which Joshua conducted his campaigns." http://www.abarim-publications.com/Meaning/Gilgal.html#.VGig6PnF98E

"The Jordan depression has unique geographical features. It runs its course from its multiple river sources from Mount Hermon to Lake Huleh. From Lake Huleh to the Sea of Galilee is about 10 miles (16 kilometres), and the Sea of Galilee to the Dead Sea is about 65 miles (105 kilometres). From its beginning in the north to its terminus at the Dead Sea, the river drops tremendously - a drop of about 2,380 feet (393 meters). Due to its winding course, the river itself, actually measures nearly 200 miles (325 kilometres), over twice its direct distance." http://bibleone.net/print_tbs138.html

"The soil of the plain," about the middle of which the ancient city stood, "is unsurpassed in fertility; there is abundance of water for irrigation, and many of the old aqueducts are almost perfect; yet nearly the whole plain is waste and desolate...The climate of Jericho is exceedingly hot and unhealthy. This is accounted for by the depression of the plain, which is about 1,200 feet below the level of the sea."
http://www.biblestudytools.com/dictionary/jericho/

"A certain man went down from Jerusalem to Jericho ... at an elevation of 2,550 feet above sea level, whereas Jericho is about 1,200 feet below sea level." www.apologeticspress.org/articles/578

Jos 5:13-15 says, "And it came to pass, when Joshua was by Jericho, that he lifted up his eyes and looked, and, behold, there stood a man over against him with his sword drawn in his hand: and Joshua went unto him, and said unto him, Art thou for us, or for our adversaries? 14 And he said, Nay; but as captain of the host of the LORD am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, What saith my lord unto his servant? 15 And the captain of the LORD'S host said unto Joshua, Loose thy shoe from off thy foot; for the place whereon thou standest is holy. And Joshua did so."

Nisan 10, when the people came up out of the Jordan could easily picture the day of the First-Trump Rapture. We will go up to a holy place, heaven.

I looked for verses that had tenth of Nisan in them.

Exo_12:3 Speak ye unto all the congregation of Israel, saying, In the tenth day of this month (Nisan) they shall take to them every man a lamb, according to the house of their fathers, a lamb for an house:

Eze_40:1 says, "In the five and twentieth year of our captivity, in the beginning of the year (Nisan), in the tenth day of the month, in the fourteenth year after that the city was smitten, in the selfsame day the hand of the LORD was upon me, and brought me thither".

I went to the Hebrew Calendar Converter. It said, "10th of Nisan, 5775 = Mon, 30 March 2015".

That was a surprise. My husband Ed's birthday is March 29. Next spring, it will overlap Nisan 10 by 6 hours, from 6 PM to midnight.

Next spring, there will be a solar eclipse on Fri, 20 March 2015 = 29th of Adar, 5775. Then the third Total Lunar Eclipse of this Tetrad will follow on Sat, 4 April 2015 = 15th of Nisan, 5775, the Feast of Unleavened Bread, called Passover by the Israelites. That would put the First-trump Rapture within the last Tetrad for over 400 years. For me, that would be a great time.

Ed died Dec. 27, 2011 (he was 87), but was allowed to visit me briefly in his celestial body on April 2, 2012. I asked him if he was 30 or 33. He said, "33." Then I asked him if we could be together forever. He said, "Yes." We will be united at the time of the First-Trump Rapture. Now, you have given me hope that will be on Nisan 10, March 30, 2015.

If the First-Trump Rapture was on March 30, 2015, it would be between two spring eclipses. That sounds like something the Lord would do. Also, in Mat 24:20, Jesus told his disciples, "But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day". The Mid-Trib flight might turn out to be on a Monday in the spring.

FIRST-TRUMP RAPTURE (I Thess 4:13-18), BETWEEN THE ECLIPSES?

Fri, Adar 29th, 5775 = 20 March 2015, Solar Eclipse
Mon, Nisan 10th, 5775 = 30 March 2015, First-Trump Rapture?
Sat, Nisan 15, 5775 = 4 April 2015, 3rd Total Lunar Eclipse of the tetrad

LAST-TRUMP RAPTURE (I Cor. 15:51-54), BETWEEN THE ECLIPSES?

Sun, 29 Elul, 5775 = Sept. 12, 2015, Eve of Feast of Trumpets, partial solar eclipse
Mon, 1 Tishri, 5776 = Sept. 13, 2015, Feast of Trumpets, Day of God's Wrath, Last-Trump Rapture?
Mon, 15 Tishri, 5776 = Sept. 28, 2015, Feast of Tabernacles, Super Moon, last Total Lunar Eclipse of the tetrad

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supermoon
A supermoon is the coincidence of a full moon or a new moon with the closest approach the Moon makes to the Earth on its elliptical orbit, resulting in the largest apparent size of the lunar disk as seen from Earth.

Three Supermoons in a Row - NASA Science
http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2014/10jul_supermoons/

July 10, 2014: In June of last year, a full Moon made headlines. The news media called it a "supermoon" because it was 14% bigger and 30% brighter than other full Moons of 2013. Around the world, people went outside to marvel at its luminosity. ...The full Moons of summer 2014-July 12th, August 10th, and Sept. 9th-will (were) all ... supermoons.

When is the next supermoon?
earthsky.org/space/what-is-a-supermoon
Oct 27, 2014 - 2015 has 6 supermoons! The closest is the full moon on September 28, 2015, which will also undergo a total lunar eclipse, the last eclipse of the tetrad.

Sept. 14, 2015 will be the Feast of Trumpets, and probably the Day of God's Wrath.

Rev 6:12-17 says, "And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; 13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. 14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. 15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; 16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: 17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?"

Rev 18:4 says, "And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues."

Rev 18:21 says, "And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all."

THE LAST-TRUMP RAPTURE

Rev 7:9-17 says, "After this (i.e., after Rev. 6:17 said it was the day of God's wrath) I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; 10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb. 11 And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God, 12 Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen. 13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? 14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them. 16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat. 17 For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes."

Sun, 13 September 2015 = 29th of Elul, 5775, Eve of Trumpets, Partial Solar Eclipse
Mon, 14 September 2015 = 1st of Tishrei, 5776, Feast of Trumpets, probably the Day of God's Wrath
Wed, 23 September 2015 = 10th of Tishrei, 5776, Day of Atonement
Mon, 28 September 2015 = 15th of Tishrei, 5776, Feast of Tabernacles, Super Moon, last Total Lunar Eclipse of the tetrad, Israelites will build booths to live in for every wall will fall, all cities will be shambles

FIRST DAY OF SACRED, REGNAL AND JUBILEE YEARS

Sat, 9 April 2016 = Nisan 1, 5776 (anniversary of Resurrection on April 9, 30 AD) Second Advent?

AFTERTHOUGHTS

It sure looks like this ascension of God's people on Nisan 10 could be a type of the First-Trump Rapture on Nisan 10. That is probably when the great red dragon and his fallen angels will be cast out of heaven Mid-Trib too.

Rev 12:3-5 says, "And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. 4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven (i.e., the fallen angels), and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born. 5 And she brought forth a man child (i.e., Jesus and the body of Christ), who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne."

"The Jordan as a type shows that the promised land could not be entered without crossing the Jordan:

"For you are about to cross the Jordan to go in to possess the land that the LORD your God is giving you, and you shall possess it and live in it," (cf. Deuteronomy 11:31).

"When you cross the Jordan and live in the land that the LORD your God is giving you to inherit, and He gives you rest from all your enemies around you so that you live in security," (cf.Deuteronomy 12:10).

Crossing the Jordan seems to be a type of our trip to holy ground, Heaven. Mid-Trib is the time Satan and his fallen angels are cast down from Heaven. I expect the First-Trump Rapture Mid-Trib.

Thanks for asking, "WHAT HISTORICAL BIBLICAL EVENTS OCCURRED IN THE MONTH OF NISAN". Agape

MY REPLY TO A POST ON FIVE DOVES

> > Gino (9 Nov 2014)
> > "RE: David H: 11.02.14"

> > David,
> > In your 10.27.14 post to John B. (Rapture forum), you mentioned the following:

> > "Notice, also that 2 Thess. 2 says that the falling away/ apostacy Must come first...Before the rapture"

> > II Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition...

> > I agree with you.
> > That line also said that the man of sin will also be revealed first.

Gino, here is some information about the Mid-Trib Rapture to add to your discussion.

2Th 2:1-4 (KJV) says, "Now we beseech you, brethren (i.e., believers), by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God."

THERE ARE TWO MISTAKES IN THAT PASSAGE IN THE KJV OF 1611

The "day of Christ" should be the "day of the Lord", and "a falling away first" should be a "departing" first. The Day of Christ is the day of the First-Trump Rapture. The Day of the Lord is the day of the Last-Trump Rapture and the day of God's Wrath.

Older manuscripts have been found since the KJV was published that say "day of the Lord" instead of "day of Christ".

1. Sinaitic Codex, 331 AD
2. Vatican Codex, 325 - 350 AD
3. Alexandrine Codex, 400 - 440 AD

The Day of Christ is when the First-Trump Rapture of I Thess 4:13-18 takes place. The Day of the Lord is the when the Last-Trump Rapture of I Cor 15:51-54 takes place.

I now think the First-Trump Rapture will come on the Day of Christ (Mid-Trib), and the Last-Trump Rapture will come on the Day of the Lord just before God's wrath hits Earth at the end of the Great Tribulation.

"DAY OF THE LORD" IN SEVERAL MODERN TRANSLATIONS CORRECTS THIS ERROR IN THE KING JAMES VERSION

In 2Th 2, instead of "day of Christ", the RSV and some other modern translations say, "day of the Lord". This is correct.

2Th 2:1,2 (RSV) says, "Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our assembling to meet him, we beg you, brethren, not to be quickly shaken in mind or excited, either by spirit or by word, or by letter purporting to be from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come."

2Th 2:2 (NLT) says, "Don't be so easily shaken or alarmed by those who say that the day of the Lord has already begun. Don't believe them, even if they claim to have had a spiritual vision, a revelation, or a letter supposedly from us."

The NIV says, "not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by the teaching allegedly from us—whether by a prophecy or by word of mouth or by letter—asserting that the day of the Lord has already come."

The ESV says, "not to be quickly shaken in mind or alarmed, either by a spirit or a spoken word, or a letter seeming to be from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come."

The HCSV says, "not to be easily upset in mind or troubled, either by a spirit or by a message or by a letter as if from us, alleging that the Day of the Lord has come."

The NASB says, "that you not be quickly shaken from your composure or be disturbed either by a spirit or a message or a letter as if from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come."

The ASV says, "to the end that ye be not quickly shaken from your mind, nor yet be troubled, either by spirit, or by word, or by epistle as from us, as that the day of the Lord is just at hand"

The DBY says, "that ye be not soon shaken in mind, nor troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter, as if it were by us, as that the day of the Lord is present."

1Th 1:10 (KJV) makes it clear that we are "to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which DELIVERED US FROM THE WRATH TO COME."

To me, that means that all believers will be raptured before God's Wrath hits Earth, either in the First-Trump Rapture of I Thess 4:13-18, at Mid-Trib, or in the Last-Trump Rapture of I Cor 15:51-54 on the Day of God's Wrath, just before Satan's asteroid Wormwood hits Earth and obliterates Babylon.

Rev 10:11 says, "And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings."

That means that the "rise" in Rev 11:1 means the same as the "COME UP HITHER" in Rev 4:1. The second Rapture is in 11:12. The seals, trumpets and vials/bowls are all after the first Rapture.

Rev 11:1-3 says, "And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, RISE, and measure the temple of God (i.e., we are the temple of the Holy Spirit), and the altar, and them that worship therein. 2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months. 3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth."

Rev 11:12 says, "And they (Moses and Elijah) heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, COME UP HITHER. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them. 13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven."

The time between the two come up hithers is 1260 days. Therefore, the First-Trump Rapture is Mid-Trib and the Last-Trump Rapture is on the Day of God's Wrath at the end of the Tribulation.

Rev 11:13-15 says, "And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven. 14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly. 15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever."

The second mistake in the KJV is in 2Th 2:3. It says, "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away (apostasia, departing, as in a divorce, i.e., being caught up in the First-Trump Rapture) first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition".

The way the man of sin is revealed is simple. He wasn't caught up in the First-Trump Rapture. According to Rev. 12, Satan is cast down from heaven Mid-Trib. He will enter into the False Prophet, the second son of perdition. The first son of perdition was Judas Iscariot.

Rev 17:8 says, "The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition". Agape

INCOMING EMAIL, RE: INDUCTIVE REASONING TO UNDERSTANDING SCRIPTURE

"AFTER" you understand that the rapture as described in ( Matthew 24:30-31 ) comes "Immediately AFTER the tribulation of those days" ( Matthew 24:29 ), and you also understand that the rapture is described in the events of the sixth seal as described in ( Rev 6:12 ); You can now understand that the events described in seals 2, 3, and 4, which happen BEFORE the rapture described in the sixth seal, are actually describing the events of the pre-rapture tribulation - NOT THE PRE-TRIBULATION RAPTURE.

Revelation 6:8 tells us that the red, black, and pale horses of seals 2,3, and 4 which we now know to be the 'pre-rapture' tribulation AFFECTS ONLY "A FOURTH OF THE EARTH". Rev 6:8
"And power was given THEM over A FOURTH OF THE EARTH, to kill with sword, with hunger, and with death.."

The "FOURTH OF THE EARTH" described in Rev 6:8 which the 'pre-rapture' tribulation affects is NOT "THE WHOLE WORLD" which is described in Rev 3:10.

From this we can understand that the 'pre-rapture' tribulation of "a fourth of the earth" , which is the middle-east including Israel, occurs BEFORE THE RAPTURE. AFTER the rapture God's judgment, which is called "the hour of temptation" in Rev 3:10 , then comes "upon the whole world".

MY REPLY

I believe that there are two Raptures, one Mid-Trib and the other at the sixth seal on the Day of God's Wrath. No seals are opened before Jesus is given the 7-sealed book after the Mid-Trib Rapture.

The story of two Raptures is told in Rev. 4 and 11.

IN REV 11:1-3, "RISE" IS THE FIRST RAPTURE, THE MID-TRIB RAPTURE

Rev 11:1-3 says, "And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, RISE (i.e., in the first Rapture, Mid-Trib), and measure the temple of God (i.e., we are the Temple of the Holy Spirit), and the altar, and them that worship therein. 2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months. (i.e., during the 42-month Great Tribulation) 3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses (i.e., Moses and Elijah), and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days (i.e., during the Great Tribulation), clothed in sackcloth."

This "RISE" is the same Rapture as the "COME UP HITHER" of Rev. 4:1.

Rev 10:11 says, "And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy AGAIN before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings."

THIS "COME UP HITHER" IS THE SECOND RAPTURE, THE LAST-TRUMP RAPTURE THAT IS ON THE DAY OF GOD'S WRATH

Rev 11:12,13 says, "And they (Moses and Elijah) heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, COME UP HITHER (i.e., this is the Last-Trump Rapture). And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them. 13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven." Agape

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