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RAPTURE IS THURSDAY, APRIL 2, 2015
By Marilyn Agee, Posted on my Home Page 11-29-14
Why April 2? my husband Ed died Dec. 27, 2011, but he came to see me in his celestial body on the following April 2nd. Just maybe April 2 is a clue to when I will see him again. April 2 may be the day of the Rapture.
I went to the Hebrew Date Converter and looked up the Hebrew date for April 2, 2015.
It will be Thursday, Nisan 13, 5775, the anniversary of the Crucifixion on Thursday, Nisan 13, April 6, 30 AD. I thought, so that's why I worked so hard to be sure of the date of the Crucifixion, and why our son David was born on April 6.
Ed came to see me on April 2, 2012. His birthday is March 29, but he didn't come on that day, and he did not comment when I said that I might be with him on the following Ascension Day. Therefore, just maybe he meant to show me that we would be together on April 2.
I was astonished when I found out that next April 2 will be on the anniversary of the Crucifixion. That seems so significant. Crucifixion Day was the first day our trip to Heaven became possible. Jesus took the Old Testament saints to Heaven three days later. We are the next group to be caught up.
Joshua (Jesus in Hebrew) led Israel across the Jordan dry shod on Nisan 10. They gathered in Gilgal (rolling, wheel). Then Joshua circumcised all the men. They did not start to take possession of more of the Promised Land until Nisan 13, the eve of Passover.
Maybe the dead in Christ will get their resurrection bodies on Nisan 10, when the passover lambs were chosen, and the Rapture take place on Nisan 13.
Jericho fell after the Israelites marched around it seven times. Heb_11:30 says, "By faith the walls of Jericho fell down, after they were compassed about seven days."
The 7 circles around Jericho (meaning a fragrant place) may be a clue to where Heaven is located. According the Josephus, a Pharisee Priest, the seven lamps on the lampstand stood for (1) Sun, (2) Mercury, (3) Venus,(4) Earth, (5) Mars, (6) Jupiter and (7) Saturn.
Saturn, with its 7 rings is where the throne of Jesus is located.
Eze 1:1 says, "...as I was among the captives by the river of Chebar, that the heavens were opened, and I saw visions of God."
Eze 1:26-28 says, "And above the firmament (i.e., expanse of space) that was over their heads (i.e., farther out in space than the four terrestrial planets) was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone (the sapphire, Jesus' September birth stone, means heaven and dear to the planet Saturn, from the Sanskrit, sani, Saturn, and priya, dear): and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man (i.e., the only God/man is Jesus) above upon it. 27 And I saw as the colour of amber (Saturn is the only amber planet), as the appearance of fire round about within it, from the appearance of his loins (i.e., from the equator) even upward, and from the appearance of his loins (i.e., from the equator) even downward, I saw as it were the appearance of fire, and it had brightness (i.e., bright rings, like a rainbow) round about. 28 As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain, so was the appearance of the brightness round about. This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the LORD." Heaven has a halo.
Four robotic spacecrafts have visited Saturn. They are Pioneer 11, Voyager 1, Voyager 2, and Cassini.
After 7 years of flying, Cassini finally arrived at Saturn in July, 2004. The views we have received of Saturn are breathtaking, much more than I expected, especially when Cassini was behind Saturn. Cassini dropped the Huygens probe on Saturn's moon Titan too. That information is amazing.
There are actually over 60 ringlets, but viewed from Earth, there seem to be seven rings.
The rings are actually 240,000 miles across. That is about the distance from Earth to the Moon. Some are 330 ft. thick. Ice chunks are sometimes a large as a bus.
This URL has some wonderful pictures, even Saturn in infrared.
My favorite picture is of Enceladus, the moon of Saturn that supplies the water for the ice chunks in Saturn's ring system.
The orbit of Enceladus is vertical to Saturn's ring. Besides furnishing ice for the rings of Saturn, Enceladus causes Saturn's northern lights. "The footprint, newly discovered by Cassini, marks the presence of an electrical circuit that connects Saturn with Enceladus and accelerates electrons and ions along the magnetic field lines." It is like a fairyland out there. We have so much to look forward to. We are going to be amazed.
There are about 101 salt-water geysers on Enceladus. The hot spots are called the signature of the geysering process.
"Thanks to recent analysis of Cassini gravity data, the researchers concluded the only plausible source of the material forming the geysers is the sea now known to exist beneath the ice shell. They also found that narrow pathways through the ice shell can remain open from the sea all the way to the surface, if filled with liquid water."
The Lord went to a lot of trouble to create Saturn's gorgeous ring system.
Mat 24:20-22 says, "But pray ye that your flight (phuge, escape, flight) be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: 21 For then (tote, at that time, i.e., Mid-Trib) shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened."
Mar 13:14-20 says, "But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not (i.e., probably on the Temple Mount), (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains: 15 And let him that is on the housetop not go down into the house, neither enter therein, to take any thing out of his house: 16 And let him that is in the field not turn back again for to take up his garment. 17 But woe to them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! (i.e., the children will be caught up in the Rapture) 18 And pray ye that your flight be not in the winter. 19 For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be. 20 And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days."
Nisan 13, 2015 is on a Thursday in the spring. It is not on the Sabbath or in the winter. It is on the anniversary of the Crucifixion on Thursday, Nisan 13, 30 AD. I have high hopes now for a Rapture date of April 2, 2015.
Jesus will come as the latter rain. The former rain is in Tishri. Jesus was conceived on Kislev 24 and born Tishri 1.
The latter rain is in Nisan. That fits too. I expect the Second Advent to be on Nisan 1, the first day of the Jubilee Year, Sat. April 9, 2016, the anniversary of the Resurrection on Sunday, April 9, 30 BC.
At the time of the Rapture, Ed will get his resurrection body first. Then maybe he will come get me, and we will both be caught up together to meet Jesus in the air. Beyond that, I can only imagine. He had already visited with my family and his family, so I am looking forward to seeing them all.
MY THOUGHTS ON THE TIMING OF THE JUBILEE YEAR AND THE TWO RAPTURES
I keep finding people who post on Five Doves who say the Jubilee Year will start on the Day of Atonement. Here is another (NOT ON FIVE DOVES), and this is also taught in a book: "Only Jesus of Nazareth Can Be Israel's Messiah."
"The initiation of the year of Jubilee is critical to the connection with the coming of King Messiah. The Biblical New Year begins on first day of the seventh month. This holiday in the Bible is called the Feast of Trumpets and occurs in September. The Jubilee year should begin at this feast.
"Leviticus 23:24 'Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, In the seventh month, in the first day of the month, shall ye have a sabbath, a memorial of blowing of trumpets, an holy convocation.'
"The Jubilee does not begin on the New Year, but it actually starts 10 days later during the Day of Atonement."
I don't think the Jubilee could begin on Tishri 1, first day of the Civil Year, or Tishri 10, the Day of Atonement. The Sacred Year starts on Nisan 1. To me, Nisan 1 is the first day of the Jubilee, Regnal, and Sacred years. I expect the Second Advent on Nisan 1.
Lev_25:8-13 says, "And thou shalt number seven sabbaths of years unto thee, seven times seven years; and the space of the seven sabbaths of years shall be unto thee forty and nine years. Then (i.e., in the 49th year) shalt thou cause the trumpet of the jubile to sound on the tenth day of the seventh month, in the day of atonement shall ye make the trumpet sound throughout all your land. 10 And ye shall hallow the fiftieth year (i.e., which is still future), and proclaim liberty throughout all the land unto all the inhabitants thereof: it shall be a jubile unto you; and ye shall return every man unto his possession, and ye shall return every man unto his family. 11 A jubile shall that fiftieth year be unto you: ye shall not sow, neither reap that which groweth of itself in it, nor gather the grapes in it of thy vine undressed. 12 For it is the jubile; it shall be holy unto you: ye shall eat the increase thereof out of the field. 13 In the year of this jubile ye shall return every man unto his possession."
The Jubilee is the 50th year. In the 49th year, the trumpet announcing the Jubilee should sound on the Day of Atonement to remind the people not to sow their winter wheat, because they could not harvest it after Pentecost (Sivan 6) in the Jubilee Year, which would begin on the Sacred New Year, Nisan 1.
The 50th year is both the Jubilee and the 1st year of the new 49-year Jubilee cycle. Otherwise, the Sabbatical years and the Jubilee years would not stay aligned.
This web site has this part right.
"Each sabbatical cycle is exactly seven years long. So the 50th year Jubilee comes after the 7th year of a sabbatical cycle and is the 1st year of the next seven-year sabbatical cycle." http://www.markbeast.com/70jubilees/fortynine.htm
I just hope the author has this part right. It says,
"The 70 'sevens' prophecy in Daniel 9:24 has two fulfillments. First, the 70 'sevens' are 70 sabbatical cycles - 490 years, pointing to the first coming of Jesus as our Savior from sin.
"Second, the 70 'sevens' are 70 Jubilee cycles - 3,431 years, pointing to the second coming of Jesus when His people will be permanently freed from sin. In the middle of 2016 the 6,000 years of sin on earth will come to an end, everlasting righteousness will be brought in, and Jesus will come again to take His people to heaven. Then the earth will begin its 1,000 years of rest."
As for me, I am hoping for the Second Advent on Nisan 1, 5776, Sat. April 9, 2016.
I am hoping for the First-Trump Rapture of I Thess 4:13-18 Mid-Trib on Nisan 13, 5775, Thu. April 2, 2015. That is the anniversary of the Crucifixion, the day that made our Rapture possible. It is also the day the Israelites started to possess their promised land. They crossed the Jordan dry-shod on Nisan 10, then the men were circumcised. They were ready to begin to take possession of their promised land on Nisan 13.
I hope that means that we will be taken to our promised land on Nisan 13.
I think the Last-Trump Rapture of I Cor 15:51-54 will be on the great and terrible Day of the Lord (Rev. 6:17; 7:9-14) that ends the Great Tribulation.
The Great Tribulation is to be shortened.
Mat_24:22 says, "And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened."
Mar_13:20 says, "And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days."
Rev_7:17 says, "For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes."
Rev_21:4 says, "And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away."
At the time of the First-Trump Rapture, all saints sing the new song.
Rev 5:8-10 says, "And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints. 9 And they (i.e., the saints) sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; 10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth."
At the time of the Last-Trump Rapture, only the 144,000 Israelites can sing the new song.
Rev 14:3 says, "And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth." Agape
A POST ON FIVE DOVES
Chelsea Brown (30 Nov 2014)
"THE GOSPEL MESSAGE: IN THE BREASTPLATE, IN THE 12 PORTAL GATES OF NEW JERUSALEM, IN THE FOUNDATION WALLS-THE 12 APOSTLES"
Of the many astonishing Scriptural revelations over the last few decades, nothing can exceed Ian Mallet's discovery in 1998 that the Gospel message was proclaimed in writing like a billboard sign over the High Priest's heart. Moses there inscribed, on the Ephod-Breastplate, the names of the 12 sons of Jacob in order of their birth in Hebrew (The 12 sons had all been dead some 400 years). John Tng wrote an amazing review of this matter in 2005, some 3,500 years after Moses penned the Hebrew words of Exodus 28. See the Tng article on Fivedoves.com linked here: http://www.fivedoves.com/tng/gospelinstone.htm
As John Tng pointed out in his article, if you change the order of the names , or the spelling of any name, or make any such change, the Gospel message of the Hebrew names on the ephod disappears.
So the secret had remained hidden nearly 3,500 years. Jesus Christ, His Name, His Mission, written on the Exodus Breastplate in both Hebrew AND Greek.
Now these 12 sons (really there are more than 12, as noted below ) are listed again in another listing in a different language , the Greek language, found in Revelation chapter 7. However, although the 12 names are the same in number, the names are slightly different from the Exodus Ephod listing, as Dan and Ephriam are left out, with Levi and Joseph being substituted in their place. Also, the order of the listing of the 12 names is completely different in Revelation. Exodus, in Hebrew, is by birth order. Revelation, the Greek language version, is not by birth order, the reason for the different order being so far unknown.. Below is the listing in Greek from Revelation 7, the 12 sons of Jacob, with Greek gematria....
Greek -Rev 7, the order as listed:
Now, zero is not a number in any language nor is it a number in math, more like a placeholder, and "Jesus" in Greek is 888. Revelation 7 also states that there are 12,000 from each TRIBE SEALED.
Rev 21:14 states that the Foundation Walls of New Jerusalem contain the names of the 12 Apostles. Listed below are the 12 Apostles, exactly as listed in Thayer's Greek Lexicon, with their Greek numeric Value.*
James son of Alpheus 2115
Lebbaeus Thaddeus 320
Simeon the Canaanite 1573
Now 10656 divided by 12 = 888. Jesus in Greek is 888. And here is the most AMAZING CONNECTION. Multiply the 12 TRIBES (GREEK listing) in Revelation total value 8880 X 12,000 per tribe (Rev 7) = 106,560,000 ! ! !
Drop all the zeros. This is the 12 APOSTLES number in Greek . 10656 ! ! ! ! Both the 12 Gates (Hebrew TRIBES) and the Foundation Walls with 12 Apostles as foundation ---- Both proclaim the name JESUS ! !
* From the late Bonnie Gaunt
Thanks for bringing this to our attention at this time. Knowledge like this can expand our understanding of Scripture. One thing leads to another.
Concerning the time of the First-Trump Rapture, Rev 4:1-3 mentions the jasper and sardine stones.
It says, "After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter. 2 And immediately I was (lit., became) in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne. 3 And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow (i.e., Saturn's ring system) round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald."
Why were the jasper and sardine stones mentioned? The sardine, or sardius, is the first stone, and the jasper is the last stone in the breastplate, because Jesus is both the first and the last. The emerald is the stone of Judah, and Jesus is the Lion of the tribe of Judah.
Ex 39:9-14 says, "It was foursquare; they made the breastplate double: a span was the length thereof, and a span the breadth thereof, being doubled. 10 And they set in it four rows of stones: the first row was a sardius, a topaz, and a carbuncle: this was the first row. 11 And the second row, an emerald, a sapphire, and a diamond. 12 And the third row, a ligure, an agate, and an amethyst. 13 And the fourth row, a beryl, an onyx, and a jasper: they were inclosed in ouches of gold in their inclosings. 14 And the stones were according to the names of the children of Israel, twelve, according to their names, like the engravings of a signet, every one with his name, according to the twelve tribes."
The rainbow around the throne ties in with Ezekiel's visions.
Eze 1:1 says, "...the heavens were opened, and I saw visions of God."
Eze 1:26-28 says, "And above the firmament that was over their heads (i.e., farther out in space than the 4 terrestrial planets, of which Earth is one, Eze. 1:15) was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone (i.e., sapphire means dear to the planet Saturn, from the Sanskrit Sani, Saturn, and priya, dear): and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man (i.e., the only man/God is Jesus) above upon it. 27 And I saw as the colour of amber (Saturn is the only amber planet in our Solar System), as the appearance of fire round about within it, from the appearance of his loins even upward (i.e., from the equator upward), and from the appearance of his loins (from the equator) even downward, I saw as it were the appearance of fire, and it had brightness round about. 28 As the appearance of the bow (i.e., the rainbow) that is in the cloud in the day of rain, so was the appearance of the brightness round about (i.e., the bright rings around Saturn). This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the LORD." Agape
INCOMING EMAIL, RE: THE RAPTURED CHURCH IS DESCRIBED 'TWICE' IN REVELATION
1 Peter 1:18-19
"Far as much as you know that you were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold,.....But with THE PRECIOUS BLOOD OF CHRIST, AS A LAMB without blemish and without spot.."
Revelation 7:9 &14
"A great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb clothed with white robes with palm branches in their hands.....These are THEY who came out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white IN THE BLOOD OF THE LAMB. Therefore they are before the throne of God.."
" THEY overcame him BY THE BLOOD OF THE LAMB and by the word of their testimony.....Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and YOU WHO DWELL IN THEM !
No one can enter heaven unless one is redeemed by THE BLOOD OF JESUS CHRIST ! There is NO OTHER WAY !
> > No one can enter heaven unless one is redeemed by THE BLOOD OF JESUS CHRIST ! There is NO OTHER WAY !
We agree on that, but there are two Raptures.
We get out of here Mid-Trib, as the Great Tribulation is starting.
The great multitude in heaven in Rev. 7 get out of here in the nick of time on the Day of God's Wrath. They come out of the Great Tribulation.
THE MID-TRIB RAPTURE IS THE FIRST-TRUMP RAPTURE, WHEN WE BECOME INCORRUPTIBLE
1Th 4:13-18 says, "But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent (phthano, precede) them which are asleep. 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the TRUMP OF GOD: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words."
THE RAPTURE ON THE DAY OF GOD'S WRATH IS THE LAST-TRUMP RAPTURE, WHEN WE ALL BECOME IMMORTAL
1Co 15:51-53 says, "Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the LAST TRUMP: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality."
Rev 7:13-15 says, "And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? 14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of GREAT TRIBULATION, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them."
This group did not go up in the MID-TRIB Rapture, because their robes were not white. They finally learn their lesson and get right with God. God shows them when he leaves them behind at the Mid-Trib Rapture. It is a bitter lesson, but they do learn and repent.
The believers caught up in the Mid-Trib Rapture all sing the NEW SONG. They are "The first of the firstfruits (Ex 23:19).
Jas_1:18 says, "Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures."
Christ, THE FIRSTFRUIT, begat us as "a kind of firstfruits of his creatures."
After the First-Trump Rapture at Mid-Trib, Jesus is given the seven-sealed book. The seals are going to be opened during the Great Tribulation.
Rev. 5:9.10 says, "And THEY (i.e., the saints caught up in the First-Trump Rapture) SUNG A NEW SONG, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; 10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on (epi, on or over) the earth."
All the believers caught up in the Last-Trump Rapture on the Day of God's Wrath do not get to sing the NEW SONG, only the 144,000 Israelites do.
Rev 14:1-4 says, "And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads. 2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps: 3 And they (i.e., the 144,000) sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and NO MAN COULD LEARN THAT SONG BUT THE HUNDRED AND FORTY AND FOUR THOUSAND, which were redeemed from the earth. 4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb."
The number of days, 1260, between the two Raptures is in Rev. 11.
Rev 11:1-3 says, "And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, RISE (i.e., the first COME UP HITHER), and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein. 2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months. 3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth."
The Last-Trump Rapture is the "COME UP HITHER" of Rev. 11:12.
Rev. 11:12,13 says, "And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, COME UP HITHER. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them. 13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven."
However, the Great Tribulation is to be shortened or no flesh would be saved.
Mat 24:21,22 says, "For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened."
Mar 13:19,20 says, "For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be. 20 says, "And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days." Agape
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