Pro and Con 1831

Posted 1-3-15

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Subject: Entrance to King Herod the Great's palace unearthed | Daily Mail Online
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2880605/Entrance-King-Herod-Great-s-palace-unearthed-Complex-set-corridors-leads-elaborate-hall-ruler.html

I think 4 BC is a bit early for Herod's death. It would make Jesus' birth in 6 BC, which, again, is a bit early. If memory serves, coins bearing Herod's image date from as late as 2 BC. This link quickly exposits the situation far better than I can:
http://www.ncregister.com/blog/jimmy-akin/jesus-birth-and-when-herod-the-great-really-died/

MY REPLY

Thanks for this information, but I still think 5 BC is correct for the birth of Jesus, and 4 BC is correct for the death of Herod.

Herod died between the eclipse on March 13, 4 BC and Passover. He had three sons who started their reigns in 4 BC, locking Herod's death in 4 BC.

Rev 12:1 and 5 says, "And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet.... 5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron".

Here is the diagram at yoursky9-4-5bc. (OMITTED, but it shows the Moon under Virgo's feet) This is the only time I could find this sign in the sky in the interval under consideration. This locks in the date for me.

To me: Jesus was conceived on Kislev 24 (now the Eve of Hanukkah) Monday, December 6, 6 BC, Julian Day 1,453,755, and
Jesus was born 273 days later, on Tishri 1, Feast of Trumpets, Monday, September 4, 5 BC, Julian Day 1,454,028.

In PISCES, on February 25, 6 BC, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn came to within 8 degrees of each other. This only happens at 800-year intervals.

The massing of Jupiter, Saturn, and Mars in 6 BC seems significant, because these three planets are the three heavens mentioned in II Cor. 12:2, (1) Mars, (2) Jupiter, and (3) Saturn (our Heaven, 'Paradise')....

COINS TELL THE TRUE STORY

http://members.aol.com/JOSEPHUS/coins.htm Herod the Great (ruled 37 BCE - 4 BCE)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herodian_coinage
"Herod Archelaus (ruled 4 BCE - 6 CE)"
"Herod Antipas (ruled 4 BC-39 AD)"
"Herod Philip II (ruled 4 BC-34 AD)"

"The coins of Herod Philip II are mostly bronze of middle-size. He was the first Jewish ruler to put portraits of himself and the Roman Emperors on his coinage. An early issue has a portrait of the Emperor Augustus, with the Greek inscription 'KAICAPI CEBACTO' on the obverse, and ... on the reverse. Later coins depicted Tiberius on the obverse, with the inscription 'TIBEPIOS SEBAS', and ... on the reverse. Both types had the facade of a four-columned temple on the reverse, possibly the Temple in Jerusalem. The coins are dated according to the year of the Emperor's reign." ...

MY REPLY TO AN EMAIL

> > Second Coming on Yom Kippur 2015

To me, the Second Coming will be on the first day of the Regnal Year, Nisan 1, 5776, Saturday, April 9, 2016, the anniversary of the Resurrection of Jesus on Sunday, April 9, 30 AD. April 9, 2016 will also be the first day of the Jubilee Year.

> > the final GRAND JUBILEE year begins on Yom Kippur 2015 to begins the millennium.

No year begins on the tenth day of the 7th month. The Jubilee was announced on the Day of Atonement so people would not plant seeds that could not be harvested in the Jubilee Year that would start on the following Nisan 1.

> > the two witnesses may be unseen until after the rapture or be figurative language.

Mal 4:5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD".

Moses and Elijah will probably come with Jesus at the time of the 1st Rapture.

Rev 11:1-3 says, "And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise (i.e., First-trump Rapture), and measure the temple of God (we are the the temple of God), and the altar, and them that worship therein. 2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months. 3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth."

However, that 42 months, the Great Tribulation, is to be shortened or no flesh would be saved.

> > 14 generations x 3 = 42 in Matthew 1:17...
"-49 is a generation with 50 following to climax with a Jubilee or Grand S'hmita"

According to Mt. 1:17, a generation is 48.33 years. 1967 + 48.33 = 2015.33. The 49th year is the Sabbatical Year that precedes the Jubilee, which is also the 1st year of the next cycle.

> > Study page 346 of Halley's Bible Commentary on the ten kingdoms during Biblical history in Revelation which is not a future Roman Empire, and the three kings removed were Lombards, Ravenna, and Rome.

That is not true. The 10 kings come after the First-Trump Rapture.

Rev 17:12-14 takes place after the First-Trump Rapture. It says, "And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. 13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast. 14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful."

We will be among the "called, and chosen, and faithful" with Christ on that day.

> > scripture has no mention of more than one rapture

There are two Raptures. The First-Trump Rapture for the wise virgins is in I Thess. 4:13-18. The Last-Trump Rapture for the foolish virgins is in I Cor. 15:51-54. Only at the second one are all believers made immortal. Agape

MY REPLY TO AN EMAIL

There have to be two Raptures.

The Rapture in I Thess. 4:13-18 is for the wise virgins. They are wearing white robes.

The Rapture in I Cor. 15:51-54 is for the foolish virgins. Their robes are spotted. The latter are not lost. They are just taught a lesson. We have to confess our sins.

1Jn 1:9 says, "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from ALL unrighteousness."

Joh_13:8 says, "Peter saith unto him, Thou shalt never wash my feet. Jesus answered him, If I wash thee not, thou hast no part with me."

Wow! That is quick and to the point.

Rom_8:1 says, "There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit."

THE FIRST-TRUMP RAPTURE, THE FIRST "COME UP HITHER"

Rev 4:1-4 says, "After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, COME UP HITHER, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter. 2 And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one (i.e., Jesus) sat on the throne. 3 And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper (last stone in the breastplate) and a sardine stone (first stone in the breastplate, i.e., Jesus is the first and the last): and there was a rainbow (i.e., Saturn's rings) round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald (Judah's stone in the breastplate, i.e., Jesus is the Lion of the tribe of Judah). 4 And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold."

1Th 4:13-18 says, "But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent (phthano, precede) them which are asleep. 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words."

Rev 5:9,10 says, "And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; 10 says, "And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth."

AT THE LAST-TRUMP, THE LAST "COME UP HITHER," ONLY THE 144,000 ISRAELITES GET TO SING THE NEW SONG

Rev 11:12 says, "And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, COME UP HITHER. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them."

1Co 15:51-54 says, "Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory."

Rev 14:1-5 says, "And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads. 2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps: 3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth. 4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. 5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God."

THE WISE AND FOOLISH VIRGINS

Mat 25:1-12 says, "Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom. 2 And five of them were wise, and five were foolish. 3 They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil (i.e., symbol of the Holy Spirit) with them: 4 But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps. 5 While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept. 6 And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him. 7 Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps. 8 And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone (lit., going) out. 9 But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves. 10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the MARRIAGE: and the door was shut. 11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us. 12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not."

Luk 12:46 says, "The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder (dichotomeo, to cut him asunder, i.e., cut him off), and will appoint him HIS PORTION (i.e., the Great Tribulation) with the unbelievers."

Mat 24:50,51 says, "The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of, 51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites (i.e., pretenders): there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

Rev 17:14 says, "the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful."

THE BRIDE HAS TO BE WEARING WHITE

Mat 22:10-14 says, "So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests. 11 And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment: 12 And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless. 13 Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 14 For many are called, but few are chosen."

THE 42 MONTHS BETWEEN THE TWO RAPTURES ARE TO BE SHORTENED OR NO FLESH WOULD BE SAVED

Mat_24:22 says, "And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened."

Mar_13:20 says, "And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days."

When I was a little kid, I was taken to the Lutheran Church, but after moving away from there, our family all attended the Methodist Church. I left the Methodist Church and joined the Baptist Church when I married. The difference was like night and day. In the Methodist Church, we were preached to. In the Baptist Church we opened our Bibles and were taught straight from the scriptures. I like that best.

Like you, I don't have much money, but we can't take it with us anyway.

The Rapture is our blessed hope. Everything else will be straightened out when we get to Heaven. Agape

> > Subject: RE: Rapture or Lunacy

I have concluded there is only one rapture...and the scriptures are one in the same.....the Lord is not the author of confusion...

Rapture, of course, and there have to be two. I Thess. 4:13-18 is not the last trump. The Rapture of I Cor. 15:51-54 is the last trump. You can't have a last trump until after you have had a first trump. Read those again. None are made immortal at the First-Trump Rapture. All are made immortal at the Last Trump, even Paul.

Actually, the 7th day of Hanukkah is Tuesday, 12/23/14, and the 8th day is Wednesday, 12/24/14, Christmas Eve.

It is darkest before the dawn. Forever is almost here. Relax. Enjoy the holidays. You have time for all your dreams to come true.

The wrath of God will not hit us. John_3:36 says, "He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him."

Mal 3:16,17 says, "Then they that feared the LORD spake often one to another: and the LORD hearkened, and heard it, and a book of remembrance was written before him for them that feared the LORD, and that thought upon his name. 17 And they shall be mine, saith the LORD of hosts, in that day when I make up my jewels; and I will spare them, as a man spareth his own son that serveth him." Happy holidays, Agape

INCOMING EMAIL, RE: THE DAY OF THE LORD BEGINS ON EARTH AND IN HEAVEN AT THE SAME TIME

Here is how the 'Day of the Lord' begins on earth in Israel:

1 Thessalonians 5:2-3 "...the Day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night......then SUDDEN DESTRUCTION COMES upon them (Israel) ....and they (Israel) shall not escape."

"AT THAT TIME" the 'Day of the Lord' also begins in heaven:

Daniel 1:1
"AT THAT TIME Michael shall stand up...and there shall be a TIME OF TROUBLE (tribulation), such as never was since there was a nation (Israel), even to that time."

So you see, the war in heaven happens AT THE SAME TIME as the tribulation of Israel here on earth just BEFORE the rapture of the Church.

MY REPLY

> > the war in heaven happens AT THE SAME TIME as the tribulation of Israel here on earth just BEFORE the rapture of the Church.

I agree. At Mid-Trib, Satan and the fallen angels are cast down and the First-Trump Rapture takes place.

When Michael stands up Mid-Trib, as in Rev. 12, Satan and his fallen angels are cast out of Heaven, and we, the Temple of the Holy Spirit, are caught up to heaven in the First-Trump Rapture (I Thess 4:13-18).

AT THE FIRST-TRUMP RAPTURE, NONE ARE ACTUALLY SAID TO BE IMMORTAL

1Th 4:13-18 says, "But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent (phthano, precede) them which are asleep. 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words."

Mal_4:5 says, "Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet (i.e., at Mid-Trib) before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD."

The Day of the Lord is the Day of God's Wrath at the end of the Great Tribulation. It is also the day of the Last-Trump Rapture (I Cor 15:51-54).

THE LAST-TRUMP RAPTURE, WHEN ALL THE SAINTS BECOME IMMORTAL

1Co 15:51-55 says, "Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, AT THE LAST TRUMP: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. 55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?"

2Pe_3:10 says, "But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up."

Rev 6:17 says, "For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?"

Rev 7:9-14 says, "After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; 10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb. 11 And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God, 12 Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen. 13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? 14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb."

Believers need to confess their sins to make their spotted robes white. 1Jn 1:9 says, "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness."

Deu 4:30,31 says, "When thou art in tribulation, and all these things are come upon thee, even in the latter days, if thou turn to the LORD thy God, and shalt be obedient unto his voice; 31 (For the LORD thy God is a merciful God;) he will not forsake thee, neither destroy thee, nor forget the covenant of thy fathers which he sware unto them."

In Joh_16:33, Jesus said, "These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world."

In Rev. 2:22, about Mid-Trib, Jesus warns the church of Thyatira, "Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery (i.e., join) with her into GREAT TRIBULATION (i.e., the last 3.5 years of the Tribulation), except they repent of their deeds."

Rev_2:24,25 says, "But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have not this doctrine, and which have not known the depths of Satan, as they speak; I will put upon you none other burden. 25 But that which ye have already hold fast till I come."

I expect the leader to be cast into GREAT TRIBULATION. His identity will be revealed, because he will be left behind at the time of the First-Trump Rapture.

Jer_46:10 says, "For this is the day of the Lord GOD of hosts, a day of vengeance, that he may avenge him of his adversaries: and the sword shall devour, and it shall be satiate and made drunk with their blood: for the Lord GOD of hosts hath a sacrifice in the north country by the river Euphrates" (i.e., at Babylon).

Rev 12:6-14 says, "And the woman (i.e., Israel) fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place (i.e., Petra) prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days (i.e., the last 3.5 years of the Tribulation).7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, 8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. 9 And the great dragon was cast out (i.e., Mid-Trib), that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. 10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now (arti, just now) is come salvation (soteria, rescue, deliverance, i.e., the Mid-Trib Rapture), and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. 11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. 12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time (i.e., the shortened Great Tribulation). 13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child. 14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place (Petra), where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time (i.e., 3.5 years, during the Great Tribulation), from the face of the serpent."

Daniel agrees. Dan 12:1 says, "And at that time (i.e., Mid-Trib) shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be (i.e., after that) a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time, thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book."

The only way they can get their names written in that book is by accepting the Messiah, Jesus Christ, as their Lord and Saviour.

Jesus is both God and man. His heavenly throne is on our third heaven, Saturn. That is where we are headed at the time of the Rapture.

Josephus, a Pharisee priest, let us know that the lampstand stood for the Sun, Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn. (Ant. III. VI. 7 and Wars. V. V. 5).

Here is what Ezekiel saw in his visions. what-ezekiel-saw12-30-12

Eze 1:1,4,5 says, "...the heavens were opened, and I saw visions of God." 4 And I looked, and, behold, a whirlwind came out of the north, a great cloud (i.e., the Asteroid Belt), and a fire infolding itself (i.e., the Sun), and a brightness (sunlight) was about it, and out of the midst thereof as the colour of amber, out of the midst of the fire. 5 Also out of the midst thereof came the likeness of four living creatures (four lively flying things, i.e., the four terrestrial planets)."

One is the Earth. Verse 15 says, "Now as I beheld the living creatures, behold one wheel (i.e., orbit) upon the EARTH by the living creatures (i.e., the lively flying planets), with his four faces (i.e., Earth faces four directions at once.

In verse 10, the lion represents east, the man represents south, the ox represents west, and the eagle represents north, as on Israel's flags set at the compass points when they camped around the Tabernacle.

Eze 1:26-28 says, "And above the firmament (i.e., the expanse of space) that was over their heads, (i.e., farther out in space than the terrestrial planets, of which Earth is one [v.15] was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone (sapphire means dear to the planet Saturn, from the Sanskrit Sani, Saturn, and priya, dear): and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man (i.e., Jesus, both man and God) above upon it. 27 And I saw as the colour of amber (Saturn is amber), as the appearance of fire round about within it, from the appearance of his loins (i.e., from the equator) even upward, and from the appearance of his loins even downward, I saw as it were the appearance of fire, and it had brightness round about (i.e., Saturn's bright rings). 28 As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain, so was the appearance of the brightness round about. This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the LORD."

Jesus was born on the Feast of Trumpets in September. Therefore, the sapphire is his birthstone. It is fitting, for it means heaven.

Speaking of Mt. Sinai (from Sani, Saturn), Exo 24:9,10 says, "Then went up Moses, and Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel: And they saw the God of Israel: and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were the body of heaven (i.e., the heavenly body) in his clearness (tohar, brightness, clearness, glory)."

Eze_10:1 says, "Then I looked, and, behold, in the firmament (expanse of space) that was above the head of the cherubims (the terrestrial planets) there appeared over them as it were a sapphire stone, as the appearance of the likeness of a throne."

Heb_1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom."

Rev_4:2-6 says, "And immediately I was (lit., became) in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne. 3 And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper (last stone in the breastplate) and a sardine stone (first stone in the breastlplate, i.e., Jesus is both the first and the last): and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald (Judah's stone in the breastplate, i.e., Jesus is the Lion of the tribe of Judah). 4 And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold. 5 And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God. 6 And before the throne there was a sea of glass like unto crystal (krustallos, ice)".

Rev_19:4 And the four and twenty elders and the four beasts fell down and worshipped God that sat on the throne, saying, Amen; Alleluia." Agape

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