Pro and Con 1836
MY REPLY TO AN INCOMING EMAIL
Here is some interesting background on the Geneva and King James Bibles I found.
"The marginal notes of the Geneva Bible enraged the Catholic Church, since the notes deemed the act of confession to men - the Catholic Bishops - as unjustified by Holy Script. Man should confess to God only; man's private life was man's private life. The notes also infuriated King James, since they allowed disobedience to tyrannical kings. King James went so far as to make ownership of the Geneva Bible a felony. He then proceeded to make his own version of the Bible, but without the marginal notes that had so disturbed him. Consequently, during King James's reign, and into the reign of Charles I, the Geneva Bible was gradually replaced by the King James Bible." http://www.reformedreader.org/gbn/en.htm
> > BECAUSE YOU CARE TO KNOW THE TRUTH I am sending you the footnotes from the 1599 Geneva Bible to Daniel 9:26-27
Thanks. I sure do care a lot to know the truth.
Here are four early translations of 2Th 2:3. The "departynge" is the First-Trump Rapture.
Tyndale (1534) "excepte ther come a departynge fyrst"
Coverdale (1535) "excepte the departynge come first"
Geneva Bible (1537) "except there come a departing first"
Cranmer (1539 "excepte ther come a departynge fyrst".
Here is the modern version of Daniel 9:26-27 in the Geneva Bible and in the KJV. Parenthetic notes are mine.
Daniel 7:26,27 (GB) says, "And after threescore and two weeks, shall Messiah be slain (crucified), and shall have nothing, and the people (Romans) of the prince that shall come (the Roman False Prophet), shall destroy the city and the Sanctuary (fulfilled in 70 AD), and the end thereof shall be with a flood (a tsunami): and unto the end of the battle it shall be destroyed by desolations. 27 And he (the Roman prince that shall come, the False Prophet) shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of the abominations, he (i.e., the Roman False Prophet) shall make it (i.e., the Temple Mount) desolate, even until the consummation determined shall be poured upon the desolate."
Since the First-Trump Rapture now seems to be Mid-Trib, here is a possible interpretation of Dan 9:16,16.
Dan 9:26 (KJV) says, "And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off (crucified), but not for himself (for us): and the people (Romans) of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary (in 70 AD);"
That is all past history.
Dan 9:27 (KJV) says, "and the end thereof (end of the Great Tribulation) shall be with a flood (sheteph, overflowing, i.e., a tsunami caused by a mountain-sized asteroid impact in the Mediterranean Sea, Rev. 8:8), and unto the end of the war (of Eze. 38) desolations are determined. 27 And he (a Roman) shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week (i.e., after the First-Trump Rapture) he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations (idols) he shall make it (probably the court of the Temple) desolate, even until the consummation (kalah, utter end), and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate" (on the Day of the Lord, the Day of God's Wrath, at the end of the shortened Great Tribulation).
2Th 2:3,4 says, "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day (i.e., the Day of the Lord) shall not come, except there come a falling away (apostasia, departure, i.e., Rapture) first (i.e., Mid-Trib), and that man of sin be revealed (Mid-Trib, because he was left behind in the Rapture), the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God" (i.e., after the Mid-Trib Rapture).
Rev 12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days."
Rev 12:14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness (eremos, desert), into her place (Petra), where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent" (i.e., Satan, who was cast down from Heaven Mid-Trib).
Rev 11:1-3 says, "And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise (egeiro, lift up, take up, rouse up from death, sleep, sitting, or lying down) i.e., in the Mid-Trib Rapture), and measure the temple of God (we are the temple of the Holy Spirit), and the altar, and them that worship therein.
2 But the COURT which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months. 3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses (Moses and Elijah), and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days (the last half of the Tribulation), clothed in sackcloth."
Mat_24:15 says, "When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation (an idol), spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place [in the temple court], (whoso readeth, let him understand:)".
Rev 11:12,13 says, "And they (Moses and Elijah) heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither (i.e., on the Day of God's Wrath, Rev. 6:17; 7:14). And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them. 13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven."
Dan_11:31 says, "And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate."
Dan 11:45 says, "And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace (appeden, pavilion or palace tent) between the seas in the glorious holy mountain (i.e., the Temple Mount); yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him."
Dan 12:1,2 says, "And at that time (i.e., Mid-Trib) shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble (i.e., caused by the Rapture), such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time (Mid-Trib) thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. 2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt."
Rev 12:6-14 says, "And the woman fled into the wilderness (i.e., Mid-Trib), where she hath a place (Petra) prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. 7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, 8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. 9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. 10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. 11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. 12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye (i.e., those that believe in Christ) that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time. 13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child. 14 And to the woman (Israel) were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place (Petra), where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time (i.e., the Great Tribulation, but it will be shortened), from the face of the serpent."
Mar_13:14 says, "But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, [i.e., in the Temple court] (let him that readeth understand,) then [tote, at that time] let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains".
Eze. 38:18-23 says, "And it shall come to pass at the same time when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, saith the Lord GOD, that my fury shall come up in my face. 19 For in my jealousy and in the fire of my wrath have I spoken, Surely in that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel; 20 So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence (lit., face, as on the Sign-of-the-End flag), and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground. 21 And I will call for a sword against him throughout all my mountains, saith the Lord GOD: every man's sword shall be against his brother. 22 And I will plead against him with pestilence and with blood; and I will rain upon him, and upon his bands, and upon the many people that are with him, an overflowing rain (i.e., a tsunami), and great hailstones, fire, and brimstone. 23 Thus will I magnify myself, and sanctify myself; and I will be known in the eyes of many nations, and they shall know that I am the LORD."
Eze 39:12,13 says, "And seven months (Tishri 1, 5775, a leap year and a Sabbatical Year, to Nisan 1, 5776, a Regnal and Jubilee Year) shall the house of Israel be burying of them, that they may cleanse the land. 13 Yea, all the people of the land shall bury them; and it shall be to them a renown the day that I shall be glorified (7 months later, including Adar II) at the Second Advent, Nisan 1, 5776, Sat. April 9, 2016), saith the Lord GOD."
Below is something I posted on my Pro and Con 1627 on 8-17-11.
"THE GENEVA BIBLE SAYS
(2Th 2:1-4) "Nowe we beseech you, brethren, by the comming of our Lord Iesus Christ, and by our assembling vnto him, 2 That ye be not suddenly mooued from your minde, nor troubled neither by spirit, nor by worde, nor by letter, as it were from vs, as though the DAY OF CHRIST (i.e., it should be DAY OF THE LORD) were at hand. 3 Let no man deceiue you by any meanes: for that day shall not come, except there come A DEPARTING FIRST, and that that man of sinne be disclosed, euen the sonne of perdition, 4 Which is an aduersarie, and exalteth him selfe against all that is called God, or that is worshipped: so that he doeth sit as God in the Temple of God, shewing him selfe that he is God."
The reason the Geneva Bible doesn't have DAY OF THE LORD instead of DAY OF CHRIST is simple. Three older manuscripts were found AFTER it was translated. They said day of the Lord.
The older MSS: the Sinaitic Codex (331 AD), the Alexandrian Codex (1078), and the Vatican Codex (1475 or 1481).
"These three manuscripts undoubtedly stand at the head of all the ancient copies of the New Testament, and it is by their standard that both the early editions of the Greek text and the modern versions are to be compared and CORRECTED." (See Tischendorf's New Testament Introduction).
"According to Tischendorf, Codex Sinaiticus was one of the fifty copies of the Bible commissioned from Eusebius by Roman Emperor Constantine after his conversion to Christianity (De vita Constantini, IV, 37)." (Wikipedia)
I Thess 2:3,4 in the Tyndale Bible (1525/26) says,"Let no man deceave you by eny meanes for THE LORDE COMMETH NOT EXCEPTE THER COME A DEPARTYNGE FIRST and that that synfull man be opened ye sonne of perdicion 4 which is an adversarie and is exalted above all that is called god or that is worshipped: so that he shall sitt as God in temple of god and shew him silfe as god."
Seven early Bibles have DEPARTING FIRST in 2 Thess. 2:3. Therefore, we are on solid ground if we accept it.
1. Wycliffe Bible (1330) has "departynge first"
2. Tyndale Bible (1525/26) has "departynge first"
3. Coverdale Bible 1535) has "departynge first"
4. Crammer Bible (1539) has "departynge first"
5. Geneva Bible (1560) has "departing first"
6. Breeches Bible (1583) has "departing first"
It is listed separately and dated differently. However, Breeches Bible seems to be a book-collector's term for the earlier Geneva Bible
7. Beza Bible (1583) has "departing first"
The KJV translation of 1611 was the first to make the 2 errors in 2 Thess. 2:3,4. Several modern translations followed in the KJV footsteps, but the World English Bible corrected the second error.
2 Thess. 2:3,4 (WEB) says, "Now, brothers, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and our gathering together to him, we ask you 2 not to be quickly shaken in your mind, nor yet be troubled, either by spirit, or by word, or by letter as from us, saying that the day of Christ (should be day of the Lord) had come. 3 Let no one deceive you in any way. For it will not be, unless THE DEPARTURE COMES FIRST, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of destruction, 4 he who opposes and exalts himself against all that is called God or that is worshiped; so that he sits as God in the temple of God, setting himself up as God." Agape
BECAUSE YOU CARE TO KNOW THE TRUTH I am sending you the footnotes from the 1599 Geneva Bible to Daniel 9:26-27
I. In the last week of the seventy weeks shall Christ come and preach and suffer death.
2. He shall seem to have no beauty, nor to be of any estimation as Isaiah 53:2
3. Meaning , Titus, Vaspesian's son, who should come and destroy both the Temple and the people without all hope of recovery.
1. By the preaching of the Gospel He shall confirm His promise to the Jews.
2. Christ shall accomplish this by His death and resurrection.
3. Meaning the Jerusalem and the sanctuary shall be utterly destroyed for their rebellion against God, and their idolatry; the plague shall be so great that they shall be all astonished at them.
The anti-Christ is no where to be seen anywhere in Daniel 9:24-27. YBIC
INCOMING EMAIL, RE: Marilyn, See this WND Article
I have wondered if you have heard or read any of Jonathan Cahn's books. If not, please let me help you get up to speed. I will send more info if you are not familiar.
However, this link below is related to his new book on the Shemitah.
This World Net Daily article has info on the Shemitah and further down on the same page a link to a full 30 min Sid Roth Broadcast with Jonathan Cahn.
HOLY SHEMITAH! BIBLE CYCLE UNLOCKS U.S. FUTURE
'Harbinger' author stuns with new discoveries about 7-year cycles
Mobile phone version here -
Or if you are on a regular computer -
Marilyn, what is shocking is that he is suggesting that the coming Elul 29 in 2015 is the day when an even larger financial crash is coming. That would be one day before you expect the asteroid to hit.
And, while he hasn't specifically said any comment about the return of Christ - he does set up the case and time frame to fit your idea of the 2nd coming in April of 2016 and that being the ultimate Jubilee.
It is pretty amazing how this fits in with what you have been suggesting for so many years.
Regarding the 7 year model that we have all long heard about - If your suggested time frames hold up and we see the return of the Lord in April 2016, then I can only presume that things will start to happen in rapid succession very soon. You have a possible rapture date in April. And somehow, an Army must approach Israel in the summer of 2015 in order to be wiped out the day after Elul 29 by the asteroid.
The only way I can see that working out is linked to the words that Jesus said - "those days will be shortened...". So my question has become - how short is short? If we hold to Sept 2015 being the end of the age and the announcement of the ultimate Jubilee starting in April 2016, then the events in Revelation will be compressed (days shortened) into only a few months between now and Sept 2015. Or April after the rapture and Sept 2015. The worst plagues after the asteroid on Tishrei 1.
Though that all sounds like an impossible time line we have the Jubilee model to cling to and now this info from Johnathan Cahn to back it up. In other words how could the Jubilee model not be aligned to 1917, 1967 and 2016? How could it be another time? And how could the 4 blood moons and the cycle of Shemitah's be wrong?
Jesus must be right at the door. And when He said the days would be cut short - He really meant short. Just a matter of months. But, when you consider it - how long could any one hold out? With chaos and martial law. How long could anyone hold out? Just weeks or maybe months. So now I think short is "really" short.. Blessings on you.
> > what is shocking is that he is suggesting that the coming Elul 29 in 2015 is the day when an even larger financial crash is coming. That would be one day before you expect the asteroid to hit.
Jonathan Cahn can see things others seem to not pay much attention to. I was astonished at what he put together in his first book, and the sycamore tree is gone now at the corner church.
I listed to Cahn on a video tonight. I disagree with him on this, that Jesus was born on Nisan 1. The Tabernacle was erected on Nisan 1, and the Second Advent will be on Nisan 1, but the First Advent was on Tishri 1.
Conception was Kislev 24. Hab. 2:18,19 proves this. Is the seed yet in the barn? is a saying meaning "is she pregnant?" It answers yes, and the date given is Kislev 24. The 280-day count brings to just before Tishri 1. He was born on Trumpets, not on Tabernacles.
Cahn said, "In 1931, a solar eclipse took place on Sept. 12 - the end of a "Shemitah" year. Eight days later, England abandoned the gold standard, setting off market crashes and bank failures around the world. It also ushered in the greatest month long stock market percentage crash in Wall Street history.
"In 1987, a solar eclipse took place Sept. 23 - again the end of a "Shemitah" year. Less than 30 days later came "Black Monday" the greatest percentage crash in Wall Street history."
Now he says that the five crashes of the last 40 years have all been in Shemitah years, 1973, 1980, 1987, 2001 and 2008.
"As he pointed out in his earlier book, in 2001 and 2008 they coincided precisely with the exact end of the Shemitah year on the Hebrew calendar day of Elul 29."
I search on Google and confirmed these.
1929 - 1939, Great Depression
May 1937 - June 1938, the Roosevelt Recession
Feb. 1945 - Oct. 1945, the Union Recession
Nov 1948 - Oct. 1949, the Post-War Recession
July 1953 - May 1954, the Post-Korean War Recession
Aug. 1957 - April 1958, the Eisenhower Recession
April 1960 - Feb. 1961, The Rolling Adjustment Recession
Dec. 1969 - Nov. 1970, the Nixon Recession
Nov. 1973 - March 1975, the Oil Crisis Recession
Jan. 1980 - July 1980, the Energy Crisis Recession
July 1981 - Nov. 1982, the Iran/Energy Crisis Recession
July 1990 - March 1991, the Gulf War Recession
March 2001 - Nov. 2001, the 9/11 Recession
At the bottom of the page, Google listed 1973, 2008, 2009, 2012
The Recessions of 1973,1980,1991,2001,2008
The Mexican Peso Crisis - Federal Reserve Bank of Atlanta
Federal Reserve Bank of Atlanta
The financial crisis that followed cut the peso's value in half, sent .... (Weekly Data: January 1, 1993, to December 20, 1994)
Financial crisis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia-
For the 2008-2012 crisis, see Subprime mortgage crisis, Financial crisis of .... the crashof the dot-com bubble in 2000-2001, and the now-deflating United ...
?Financial crisis of 2007-08
The Seven Year Cycle Of Economic Crashes That Everyone Is Talking About
I remember the Dow being down 777.68 on Elul 29, 5768 on our Sept. 29, 2008 myself.
THE LAST 6 SABBATICAL YEAR CRASHES, VERIFIED ONLINE
(1) 5733 (1972/1973) oil crisis Jan. 1973 to Dec. 1974
(2) 5740 (1979/1980) Energy Crisis Recession
(3) 5747 (1986/1987) Black Monday, Oct. 19, 1987
(4) 5754 (1993/1994) Peso financial crisis
(5) 5761 (2000/2001) crash: Elul 29, Mon. Sept. 17
(6) 5768 (2007/2008) crash: Elul 29, Mon. Sept. 29
(7) 5775 (2014/2015) expected
I expect two asteroid pieces to crash on the Day of the Lord. The warning meteor blast over Russia was on Feb 15, 2013.
The Elul 29s catch my eye because there will be a Partial Solar Eclipse on Elul 29, 5775, the Eve of Trumpets, Sept. 13, 2015.
The sign of a Solar Eclipse around Tishri 1 is not hard to imagine. Tishri is supposed to start when the first sliver of the new crescent Moon can be seen. That is when the sign in Rev. 12 can take place. Tishri 1 can begin when Virgo is clothed with the Sun and the Moon is under her feet. It happened when Jesus was born in 5 BC.
However, this year, that sign will be on 9-17-15 instead of 9-14-15. I don't know for sure whether the Lord is going by the present Hebrew Calendar or that set by the sighting of the new crescent moon of Tishri, but I think it will be by the present Hebrew Calendar, because Nisan 1, 5776 will be on April 9, the anniversary of the Resurrection on April 9, 30 AD. I expect the Second Advent that day.
This diagram from YourSky shows the new crescent Moon under Virgo's feet on 9-17-15.
This sign was in the sky when Jesus was born, 9-4-5 BC. Therefore, it may be in the sky when Jesus receives his Millennial Kingdom, when he will be seated as judge at the Judgment Seat of Christ on the Day of the Lord, the Day of God's Wrath.
In Israel, at 3 AM, Thu. April 2, 2015, Saturn will be the only naked-eye planet visible in the sky. I hope that's a good sign. I think that's where we are headed when the Rapture takes place.
At 5:30 AM, Sun. Sept. 13, 2015, only a sliver of the Sun will not covered by the Moon. It seems pretty close to total on YourSky. Mars, Jupiter and Venus will be nearby.
The land was to rest in the Sabbatical Year and in the Jubilee Year. Maybe now, we can see why. We are approaching end of the age events. Israel just got a lot of rain too. Volunteer crops will come up.
Are we that near the end of the whole Tribulation? I wouldn't have thought so, except for the restraining influence of the Jubilee year, which cannot be put off. This is the only Jubilee Year possible in my lifetime. In my mind, the Jubilee has to start Nisan 1, 5776, Sat. April 9, 2016, the anniversary of the Resurrection on April 9, 30 AD (Julian).
That leaves both Raptures to take place between now and the hour the wrath of God is to be poured out. The First-Trump Rapture is in I Thess. 4:13-18. The Last-Trump Rapture is in I Cor. 15:51-54. Only at the last Rapture do we actually become immortal.
As you mentioned, the Great Tribulation must be shortened a lot. The trigger must be the war of Ezekiel 38. In that war, every wall will fall. There will be a tsunami too. The mountain-sized asteroid will hit the Mediterranean Sea. Damascus will cease to be a city.
To me, it looks like the Last-Trump Rapture will be on Tishri 1, 5776, the Feast of Trumpets, Sept. 14, 2015. If so, that will be the first day of Christ's Millennial Kingdom, the day of the Judgment Seat of Christ, the Day of God's Wrath, and the day of the General Assembly in Heaven.
Heb 12:23-25 says, "To the GENERAL ASSEMBLY and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, 24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel. 25 See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven".
The last 7 Sabbatical Years are:
(1) 5733 (1972/1973)
(2) 5740 (1979/1980)
(3) 5747 (1986/1987)
(4) 5754 (1993/1994)
(5) 5761 (2000/2001) Elul 29, Mon. Sept. 17, 2001, no Solar eclipse
(6) 5768 (2007/2008) Elul 29, Mon. Sept. 29, 2008, no Solar eclipse
(7) 5775 (2014/2015) Elul 29, Sun. Sept. 13, 2015, Partial Solar eclipse
The Elul 29s catch my eye because there is a Partial Solar Eclipse on Elul 29, 5775, the Eve of Trumpets, Tishri 1, 5776, Sept. 14, 2015.
Act 2:19-21 says, "And I will shew wonders in heaven above (i.e., people will see the Sign of the Son of Man in the sky), and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke: 20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood (i.e., the eclipse), before (i.e., on Elul 29) that great and notable day of the Lord come (i.e., on Tishri 1): 21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved."
Rev 6:12-17 says, "And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; 13 And the stars (Gr. aster) of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. 14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. 15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; 16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: 17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?"
The impact of Satan's asteroid Wormwood will be to stop Gog's army that is attacking Israel. That is why Israel is to sound the alarm on the trumpets that day.
Num 10:1-4 says, "And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 2 Make thee two trumpets of silver; of a whole piece shalt thou make them: that thou mayest use them (i.e., both) for the calling of the assembly, and for the journeying of the camps. 3 And when they shall blow with them (both), all the assembly shall assemble themselves to thee at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation. 4 And if they blow but with one trumpet, then the princes (i.e., the elders of Rev. 4:4), which are heads of the thousands of Israel, shall gather (yaad, assemble by appointment, engage for marriage, betroth at a set time) themselves unto thee."
Num 10:9,10 says, "And if ye go to war in your land against the enemy that oppresseth you, then ye shall blow an alarm with the trumpets; and ye shall be remembered before the LORD your God, and ye shall be saved from your enemies."
Rev 7:3,4 says, "Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. 4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel."
Rev 7:9,10 says, "After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; 10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation (soteria, rescue, deliverance, salvation) to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb."
Rev 7:14 says, "These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb."
WHEN THE GREAT TRIBULATION SAINTS GET TO HEAVEN, THE "CHURCH OF THE FIRSTBORN" IS ALREADY THERE
Heb 12:22-27 addresses the Old Testament saints, saying, "But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, 23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, 24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel. 25 See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven: 26 Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven. 27 And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain."
THEREFORE, THE SAINTS CAUGHT UP IN THE FIRST-TRUMP RAPTURE WOULD NEED TO BE CAUGHT UP BETWEEN NOW AND THE FEAST OF TRUMPETS, SEPT. 14, 2015
If the Second Advent is on April 9, 2016, the anniversary of Resurrection Day in 30 AD, the First-Trump Rapture might be on Thursday, Nisan 13, 5775, April 2, 2015, the anniversary of the Crucifixion on Thursday, Nisan 13, 3790 (April 6, 30 AD Julian), the very event that made the Rapture possible.
Also, Ed visited me in his celestial body on April 2, 2012. 1260 days from Tishri 1, 5776, Sept. 14, 2015. Maybe April 2 was a clue.
It is painful just to read the bad news these days. With the price of oil still dropping, a crash may be inevitable. Why on the eve of Tishri 1 is just because it happened that way before. I remember the 777.68 on the Eve of Trumpets in 2008. In the middle east, excess oil is now being stored on leased tankers in the ocean. Russia is installing rockets on subs in the Black Sea too. What for? to hit Israel? Why has ISIS formed? to hit Israel?
There are two Raptures. One is a bit before the other. The first is before the Sign of the Son of Man is seen in the sky. The last seems to be when it is seen.
ON THE DAY OF THE LORD, THE BRIDE OF CHRIST WILL BE GATHERED FROM ONE END OF HEAVEN TO THE OTHER TO ATTEND THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY IN HEAVEN
Mat 24:29-31 says, "Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars (aster, i.e., asteroids) shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then (tote, at that time) shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then (tote, at that time)( shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of HEAVEN to the other."
THE MARRIAGE OF THE LAMB
Rev_19:7 says, "Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready."
ALSO ON THE DAY OF THE LORD, THE FRIENDS OF THE BRIDEGROOM WILL BE GATHERED FROM EARTH TO THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY IN HEAVEN
Mar 13:24-27 says, "But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, 25 And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken. 26 And then (tote, at that time) shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. 27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the EARTH to the uttermost part of HEAVEN."
THE MARRIAGE SUPPER OF THE LAMB
Rev_19:9 says, "And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God."
> > So now I think short is "really" short..
I have come to think the first Rapture is Mid-Trib, and The Great Tribulation is drastically shortened. Blessings and Agape
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