Pro and Con 1838

Posted 1-31-15

INCOMING EMAIL FROM: B Warner, Re: I will gladly write a $1,000.00 check and send it to anyone who can show me A SINGLE SCRIPTURE that speaks of the TIME PERIOD AFTER THE RAPTURE or BETWEEN THE RAPTURE and the SECOND COMING of the Lord as "the tribulation" or the "great tribulation".

There is no 7 year tribulation. It is only 10 days long according to Rev 2:10 and we receive our crown of life after it happens. Capt. Bruce

MY REPLY, 2-3-25

Rev. 2:10: "Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life."

Dan 9:26,27 says, "the people (i.e., Romans) of the prince that shall come (i.e., the False Prophet) shall destroy the city (Jerusalem) and the sanctuary; and the end (i.e., of the Great Tribulation) thereof shall be with a flood (sheteph, overflowing, i.e., a tsunami; the asteroid of Rev. 8:8 will impact the Mediterranean Sea), and unto the end of the war (i.e., the Gog and Magog war) desolations (shamem, stunning devastations) are determined. 27 And he (i.e., the Roman prince that shall come) shall confirm (gabar, strengthen) the covenant with many for one week (i.e., of years, 7 years): and in the midst of the week (i.e., Mid-Trib) he (i.e., the Roman prince) shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations (shiqquts, idols) he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation (kalah, completion, utter end), and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate (shamem, ruined, desolate, devastated, from H8074, stunned)."

Mar 13:19,20 (KJV) says, "For in those days (i.e., during the Great Tribulation) shall be affliction (thlipsis, TRIBULATION), such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be. 20 And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days."

Mar 13:19,20 (NKJV) says, "For in those days there will be TRIBULATION, such as has not been since the beginning of the creation which God created until this time, nor ever shall be. And unless the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake, whom He chose, He shortened the days."

Mar 13:19,20 (ESV) says, "For in those days there will be such TRIBULATION as has not been from the beginning of the creation that God created until now, and never will be. And if the Lord had not cut short the days, no human being would be saved. But for the sake of the elect, whom he chose, he shortened the days."

Mar 13:19 (KCSB) says, "For those will be days of TRIBULATION, the kind that hasn’t been from the beginning of the world, which God created, until now and never will be again!"

Mar 13:19 (NASB) says, "For those days will be a time of TRIBULATION such as has not occurred since the beginning of the creation which God created until now, and never will."

Mar 13:19 (RSV) says, "For in those days there will be such TRIBULATION as has not been from the beginning of the creation which God created until now, and never will be."

Mar 13:19 (ASV) says, "For those days shall be TRIBULATION, such as there hath not been the like from the beginning of the creation which God created until now, and never shall be."

Mar 13:19 (YLT) says, "for those days shall be TRIBULATION, such as hath not been from the beginning of the creation that God created, till now, and may not be".

THE LAST-TRUMP RAPTURE

Mar 13:23-27 says, "But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things. 24 But in those days, AFTER THAT TRIBULATION, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light (i.e., on the Day of God’s Wrath, Rev. 6:12), 25 And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken. 26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. 27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall GATHER TOGETHER HIS ELECT FROM THE FOUR WINDS, FROM THE UTTERMOST PART OF THE EARTH to the uttermost part of heaven.

THE FIRST HALF OF THE 7-YEAR TRIBULATION LASTS 3.5 YEARS. THE LAST HALF, THE GREAT TRIBULATION "WILL BE SHORTENED OR NO FLESH WOULD BE SAVED.

Mat 24:21,22 (KJV) says, "For then shall be GREAT TRIBULATION, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 says, "And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened."

In Rev 2:22 (KJV), To the church of Thyatira, Jesus said, "Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into GREAT TRIBULATION, except they repent of their deeds."

Dan 12:1 says, "And AT THAT TIME (i.e., Mid Trib) shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and THERE SHALL BE (i.e., after Mid-Trib) A TIME OF TROUBLE, SUCH AS NEVER WAS SINCE HERE WAS A NATION EVEN TO THAT SAME TIME: AND AT THAT TIME (i.e., on the Day of God’s Wrath, Rev. 6:17) THY PEOPLE SHALL BE DELIVERED, EVERY ONE THAT SHALL BE FOUND WRITTEN IN THE BOOK."

Rev 6:17 says, "For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?"

Rev 7:9-17 says, "After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; 10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb. 11 And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God, 12 Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen. 13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? 14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, THESE ARE THEY WHICH CAME OUT OF GREAT TRIBULATION, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them. 16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat. 17 For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes."

After figuring out that the Pope was inaugurated on 3-13-13, which was Nisan 13, I looked up the meaning of 13 online. Here is what I found.

"The number 13 is symbolic of rebellion and lawlessness. Nimrod, the mighty hunter who was 'before the Lord' (meaning he tried to take the place of God - Genesis 10:9), was the 13th in Ham's line (Ham was one of Noah's three sons who survived the flood). Thirteen represents all the governments created by men, and inspired by Satan, in outright rebellion against the Eternal." http://www.biblestudy.org/bibleref/meaning-of-numbers-in-bible/13.html

"The Number 13 Means Rebellion
www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Wicca%20.../13.htm
The number 13 is a major symbol in the occult, death and Satanism."

THERE WILL BE A GREAT TRIBULATION THAT WILL BE SHORTENED

Rev_7:14 says, "These are they which came out of GREAT TRIBULATION, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb."

In the section of his monologue in Rev. 2:8-11, Jesus addressed the martyrs, not the whole church.

SMYRNA MEANS MYRRH, AN EMBALMING SPICE, AND BITTERNESS. IT HAD TO BE CRUSHED TO GIVE FORTH ITS FRAGRANCE

Rev 2:8-11 says, "And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive (i.e., Jesus); 9 I know thy works, and TRIBULATION, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan. 10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and YE SHALL HAVE TRIBULATION TEN DAYS: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life. 11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.

"YE SHALL HAVE TRIBULATION TEN DAYS" does not apply to all of the church groups. For instance, it is not mentioned in Jesus’ message to the church of brotherly love, Philadelphia.

Rev 3:7-13 says, "And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth; 8 I know thy works: behold, I HAVE SET BEFORE THEE AN OPEN DOOR, AND NO MAN CAN SHUT IT: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name. 9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee. 10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience (HUPOMONE, CHEERFUL, HOPEFUL CONTINUING), I ALSO WILL KEEP THEE FROM THE HOUR (hora, day, hour, instant or SEASON) OF TEMPTATION (PEIRASMOS, PUTTING TO PROOF, i.e., DURING THE GREAT TRIBULATION), WHICH SHALL COME (i.e., in the future, after the First-Trump Rapture) upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. 11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown. 12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name. 13 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches." Agape

INCOMING EMAIL, Re: I will gladly write a $1,000.00 check and send it to anyone who can show me A SINGLE SCRIPTURE that speaks of the TIME PERIOD AFTER THE RAPTURE or BETWEEN THE RAPTURE and the SECOND COMING of the Lord as "the tribulation" or the "great tribulation".

"FOR WHERESOEVER THE CARCASE IS, THERE WILL THE EAGLES BE GATHERED" Matthew 24:28

Jesus placed this PROPHETIC SCRIPTURAL EVENT in His Olivet Discourse exactly where He wanted it to be for THREE specific reasons:

#1 He wanted to reference the coming GREAT PROPHETIC EVENT ,spoken of by the Prophets, in the Old Testament.

#2 He wanted to state that the coming GREAT PROPHETIC EVENT, spoken of by the Prophets, had come to an end.

#3 He wanted to show exactly where the coming GREAT PROPHETIC EVENT, spoken of by the Prophets, occurs in the 'chronological order' of end-time events as He perfectly laid them out in order of occurrence in His Olivet Discourse.

HERE ARE THE 'OLD TESTAMENT' REFERENCES TO THIS SPECIFIC COMING "GREAT PROPHETIC EVENT" :

Isaiah 5:25
"Therefore is THE ANGER OF THE LORD KINDLED AGAINST HIS PEOPLE (Israel) , and He hath stretched forth His hand AGAINST THEM, and hath SMITTEN THEM; and the hills did tremble, and THEIR CASCASSES were torn in the midst of the streets."
Jeremiah 19:7
"I will make void the counsel of Judah and Jerusalem in this place; and i will cause them (Israel) to fall by the sword before their enemies, and by the hands of them that seek their lives; and THEIR CARCASSES will give to be MEAT FOR THE FOWLS OF HEAVEN ..."

Ezekiel 6:5
"And I will lay the DEAD CARCASSES OF THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL before their idols..."

God considers the dead body of anyone who dies NOT BELIEVING IN CHRIST as a "carcass".

The GREAT PROPHETIC EVENT spoken of by Jesus in His Olivet Discourse as recorded in Matthew 24:28 is God's "GREAT TRIBULATION" OF ISRAEL which He will shorten and end just BEFORE THE RAPTURE of His Church which makes the following Scripture true:

Matthew 24:29-31
"Immediately AFTER THE TRIBULATION OF THOSE DAYS (in Israel)....He will send His angels with the sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together (rapture) His elect from the four winds..."

The 42 month, 1.260 day, period of time BETWEEN the rapture and the Second Coming of the Lord is Satan's "hour of temptation" ( Rev 3:10 ) which Jesus will NOT "lead us into" (Matt 13:6 ). Bruce Warner, Scripturalist for the Lord

MY REPLY

> > "FOR WHERESOEVER THE CARCASE IS, THERE WILL THE EAGLES BE GATHERED" Matthew 24:28

> > Jesus placed this PROPHETIC SCRIPTURAL EVENT in His Olivet Discourse exactly where He wanted it to be for THREE specific reasons:

> > #1 He wanted to reference the coming GREAT PROPHETIC EVENT ,spoken of by the Prophets, in the Old Testament.

> > #2 He wanted to state that the coming GREAT PROPHETIC EVENT, spoken of by the Prophets, had come to an end.

> > #3 He wanted to show exactly where the coming GREAT PROPHETIC EVENT, spoken of by the Prophets, occurs in the 'chronological order' of end-time events as He perfectly laid them out in order of occurrence in His Olivet Discourse.

"FOR WHERESOEVER THE CARCASE IS, THERE WILL THE EAGLES BE GATHERED" Matthew 24:28

Bruce, the GREAT TRIBULATION cannot take place BEFORE the First-Trump Rapture.

Mat_24:21 says, "then shall be GREAT TRIBULATION, SUCH AS WAS NOT SINCE THE BEGINNING OF THE WORLD TO THIS TIME".

Here is Mt 24:14-21 (KJV): "And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. 15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) 16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: 17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: 18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. 19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! 20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: 21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened."

Mt. 24:21 NKJV: "For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be."

NLT: "For there will be greater anguish than at any time since the world began. And it will never be so great again."

NIV: "For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again."

ESV: "For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, and never will be."

HCSB: "For at that time there will be great tribulation, the kind that hasn’t taken place from the beginning of the world until now and never will again!"

NASB: "For then there will be a great tribulation, such as has not occurred since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will."

RSV: "For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, and never will be.

ASV: "for then shall be great tribulation, such as hath not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, nor ever shall be."

YLT: "for there shall be then great tribulation, such as was not from the beginning of the world till now, no, nor may be."

DBY: "for then shall there be great tribulation, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, nor ever shall be".

WEB: "For then shall be great tribulation, such as hath not been since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be."

HNV: "for then there will be great oppression, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, nor ever will be."

The Lord interpreted the difficult to understand "carcase" for us IN LUKE 17:32-37; THIS IS THE LAST-TRUMP RAPTURE, WHICH IS AS THE DAYS OF LOT

Luke 17:32-37 (KJV) says, "REMEMBER LOT’S WIFE. 33 Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it. 34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left. 35 Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 37 And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them Wheresoever the body (soma, as a sound whole, i.e., the Body of Christ) is (IT IS IN HEAVEN, having been caught up in the first RAPTURE), THITHER WILL THE EAGLES (I.E., HIGH FLYERS) BE GATHERED (SUNAGO, GATHERED UP, I.E., RAPTURED) TOGETHER."

THERE ARE TWO RAPTURES, THE FIRST-TRUMP RAPTURE OF I THESS. 4:16,17 AND THE LAST-TRUMP RAPTURE OF I COR. 15:51-54

What is the main difference between the two groups?

NOAH OBEYED THE LORD WITHOUT ARGUING, SO HE WAS SEEN AS "RIGHTEOUS"

The First-Trump Rapture of I Thess 4:16,17 is as the days of Noah, who obeyed the Lord without arguing.

Gen 7:1 says, "And the LORD said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen RIGHTEOUS before me in this generation."

LOT ARGUED WITH THE LORD, AND HIS WIFE DISOBEYED AND LOOKED BACK

The Last-Trump Rapture of I Cor 15:51-54 is as the days of Lot.

Gen 19:17-19 says, "And it came to pass, when they had brought them forth abroad, that he (i.e., the LORD) said, ESCAPE FOR THY LIFE; LOOK NOT BEHIND THEE, NEITHER STAY THOU IN ALL THE PLAIN; ESCAPE TO THE MOUNTAIN, LEST THOU BE CONSUMED." 18 And Lot said unto them, OH, NOT SO MY LORD: 19 Behold now, thy servant hath found grace in thy sight, and thou hast magnified thy mercy, which thou hast shewed unto me in saving my life; and I CANNOT ESCAPE TO THE MOUNTAIN, LEST SOME EVIL TAKE ME, AND I DIE".

When told to escape to the mountain, as if he knew more than the Lord, and didn’t trust the Lord to take care of him, Lot argued with him about where he should go. Lot’s wife blatantly disobeyed the Lord, and looked back.

Isa_40:31 says, "they that wait upon the LORD shall renew their strength; THEY SHALL MOUNT UP WITH WINGS AS EAGLES."

It is talking about the Body of Christ, the Bride of Christ, having been caught up to Heaven on "eagles wings" before the Great Tribulation saints, the Friends of the Bridegroom, are caught up on "eagles wings".

LOOK AT THE CONTEXT

Mat 24:20-24 says, "But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day (i.e., maybe on the Feast of Trumpets): 21 FOR THEN SHALL BE GREAT TRIBULATION, SUCH AS WAS NOT SINCE THE BEGINNING OF THE WORLD TO THIS TIME, NO, NOR EVER SHALL BE. 22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. 23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. 24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect (eklektos, chosen, favorite)."

On "eagles wings" is how the Lord thinks of his catching up of the Bride of Christ at the First-Trump Rapture of I Thess 4:16,17, and at the Last-Trump Rapture of I Cor. 15:51-54.

As an example, in Ex 19:4, the Lord told Israel, "Ye have seen what I did unto the Egyptians, and how I bare you on eagles' wings, and brought you unto myself."

TO UNDERSTAND THE TRANSLATION IN MT 24:28 CORRECTLY, WE MUST UNDERSTAND THE CONTEXT. JESUS WAS TALKING TO HIS DISCIPLES THAT WERE GOING TO DIE BEFORE THE LAST-TRUMP RAPTURE WOULD TAKE PLACE.

Mat 24:1-3 says, "And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and HIS DISCIPLES came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple. 2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down. 3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the DISCIPLES came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? (lit., consummation of the age)"

Mat 24:4-14 says, "And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. 5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. 6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. 7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. 8 All these are the beginning of sorrows. 9 THEN SHALL THEY DELIVER YOU UP TO BE AFFLICTED, AND SHALL KILL YOU: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake. 10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another. 11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. 12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. 13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and THEN SHALL THE END (i.e., end of the Great Tribulation) COME."

In MT 23:15-31, Jesus said, "When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) 16 Then (i.e., in the Great Tribulation) let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains (i.e., as in Rev. 12): 17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: 18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. 19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! 20 But pray ye that your flight (phuge, a fleeing, escape, flight, i.e., in the Last-Trump Rapture) be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: 21 FOR THEN SHALL BE GREAT TRIBULATION, SUCH AS WAS NOT SINCE THE BEGINNING OF THE WORLD TO THIS TIME, NO, NOR EVER SHALL BE. 22 AND EXCEPT THOSE DAYS SHOULD BE SHORTENED, THERE SHOULD NO FLESH BE SAVED: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. 23 Then (tote, at that time) if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. 24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. 25 Behold, I have told you before. 26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. 27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 28 For wheresoever the carcase (ptoma, dead body is, [i.e., because he is focusing in on the disciples who will be dead, but who will have been taken to Heaven at the First-Trump Rapture) there will the eagles (i.e., the Great Tribulation saints) be gathered together. 29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then (tote, at that time) shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of HEAVEN to the other."

THE RSV AND RHE TRANSLATED "PTOMA" AS "BODY", WHICH GIVES US THE RIGHT IDEA, THE BODY OF CHRIST IS CAUGHT UP TO HEAVEN IN THE FIRST-TRUMP RAPTURE

Mt 24:28 (RSV) says, "Wherever the body is, there the eagles will be gathered together."

Mt 24:28 Douay-Rheims (RHE) says, "Wheresoever the body shall be, there shall the eagles also be gathered together."

THERE ARE TWO RAPTURES, TWO DAYS OF CHRIST, TWO DAYS OF THE SON OF MAN, ONE AS IN THE DAYS OF NOAH, THE OTHER AS IN THE DAYS OF LOT

Php_1:10 says, "That ye may approve things that are excellent; that ye may be sincere and without offence till the day of Christ".

Php_2:16 says, "Holding forth the word of life; that I may rejoice in the day of Christ, that I have not run in vain, neither laboured in vain."

2Th_2:2 says, "That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand."

Luk 17:22 And he said unto the disciples, The days will come, when ye shall desire to see one of the days of the Son of man, and ye shall not see it."

Luk 17:26-30 says, "And as it was in the DAYS OF NOE, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. 27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. 28 Likewise also as it was in the DAYS OF LOT; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; 29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. 30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed."

When the sign of the son of man is seen in the sky, it will be the great and terrible Day of the Lord, the Day of God’s Wrath. He will be sitting on his millennial throne on the first day of the 1000-year Kingdom of Christ.

Mar_9:12 And he answered and told them, Elias verily cometh first, and restoreth all things". Moses and Elijah will come during the Great Tribulation."

THE FIRST "COME UP HITHER"

Rev 4:1 says, "behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, COME UP HITHER".

Rev 10:11 says, "Thou must prophesy again", so the "RISE" of Rev. 11:1 is the same as the "COME UP HITHER" of Rev. 4:1.

Rev 11:1-4 says, "And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, RISE (i.e., at the first ‘COME UP HITHER’), and measure the temple of God (i.e., we are the temple of the Holy Spirit), and the altar, and them that worship therein. 2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months. 3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.

Zec 4:11-14 says, "Then answered I, and said unto him, What are these two olive trees upon the right side of the candlestick and upon the left side thereof? 12 And I answered again, and said unto him, What be these two olive branches which through the two golden pipes empty the golden oil out of themselves? 13 And he answered me and said, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my lord. 14 Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth."

At the Transfiguration, Mat_17:3 says, "And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him."

THE LAST "COME UP HITHER"

Rev 11:11-13 says, "And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them (i.e., Moses and Elijah), and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them. 12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, COME UP HITHER. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them. 13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven."

In Luke 17:32-37, Jesus said, "Remember Lot's wife. 33 Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it. 34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left. 35 Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 37 And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body (i.e., the Body of Christ) is (i.e., THE BRIDE IS ALREADY IN HEAVEN), thither will THE EAGLES (aetos, FROM THEIR WIND LIKE FLIGHT, i.e., the high flying saints of the shortened Great Tribulation) be gathered together."

Isa_40:31 says, "But they that wait upon the LORD shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles; they shall run, and not be weary; and they shall walk, and not faint."

> > The 42 month, 1.260 day, period of time BETWEEN the rapture and the Second Coming of the Lord is Satan's "hour of temptation" ( Rev 3:10 ) which Jesus will NOT "lead us into" (Matt 13:6 ) .

Mat 13:6 says, "And when the sun was up, they were scorched; and because they had no root, they withered away." the words "lead us into" are not in that verse.

Did you mean Matt 6:13?

Mt 6:9-13 says, "After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. 10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. 11 Give us this day our daily bread. 12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors. 13 And lead us not into temptation (peirasmos, a putting to proof, i.e., during the GREAT TRIBULATION THAT FOLLOWS THE MID-TRIB RAPTURE), but deliver (rhuomai, rescue by means of a current, i.e., rapture) us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen."

Rev 3:10-13 says, "Because thou hast kept the word of my patience (hupomone, cheerful, hopeful, patient waiting), I also will keep thee from (ek, out of) the hour of temptation (i.e., to take the Mark of the Beast during the Great Tribulation), which shall (i.e., in the future) come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. 11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown. 12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name." 13 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches."

> > Jesus placed this PROPHETIC SCRIPTURAL EVENT in His Olivet Discourse exactly where He wanted it to be for THREE specific reasons:

> > #1 He wanted to reference the coming GREAT PROPHETIC EVENT ,spoken of by the Prophets, in the Old Testament.

> > #2 He wanted to state that the coming GREAT PROPHETIC EVENT, spoken of by the Prophets, had come to an end.

> > #3 He wanted to show exactly where the coming GREAT PROPHETIC EVENT, spoken of by the Prophets, occurs in the 'chronological order' of end-time events as He perfectly laid them out in order of occurrence in His Olivet Discourse.

HERE IS THE ORDER OF EVENTS AS I SEE THEM

3.5 year Tribulation
First-Trump Rapture Mid-Trib as Satan is cast down to Earth from Heaven (Rev. 12)
3.5 year Great Tribulation that will be shortened or no flesh would be saved
The Gog and Magog war takes place
Last-Trump Rapture on the Day of God’s Wrath, the Feast of Trumpets that ends the Sabbatical year 5775
Jesus sits on his Millennial Kingdom throne
There is silence in both Heaven and Earth while Jesus is seated as Judge at the Judgment Seat of Christ
The mountain-sized asteroid of Rev. 8:8 will impact the Mediterranean Sea as the asteroid Wormwood destroys Babylon near the Euphrates River
The coming of the Jubilee Year on the following Nisan 1 is announced on the Day of Atonement
The Israelites will have to build booths on the Feast of Tabernacles, because every wall will fall (Eze 38:18-23)
The Second Advent will may take place Nisan 1, 5776, the first day of the Jubilee, Regnal and Sacred years

> > The GREAT PROPHETIC EVENT spoken of by Jesus in His Olivet Discourse as recorded in Matthew 24:28 is God's "GREAT TRIBULATION" OF ISRAEL which He will shorten and end just BEFORE THE RAPTURE of His Church which makes the following Scripture true:

> > Matthew 24:29-31
"Immediately AFTER THE TRIBULATION OF THOSE DAYS (in Israel)....He will send His angels with the sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together (rapture) His elect from the four winds..."

> > The 42 month, 1.260 day, period of time BETWEEN the rapture and the Second Coming of the Lord is Satan's "hour of temptation" ( Rev 3:10 ) which Jesus will NOT "lead us into" (Matt 13:6 ).

The words "great tribulation" do not appear in the Old Testament. They appear in the New Testament, in three verses.

Mat_24:21 says, "For then shall be GREAT TRIBULATION, SUCH AS WAS NOT SINCE THE BEGINNING OF THE WORLD TO THIS TIME".

The Great Tribulation cannot take place before the First-Trump Rapture.

Referring to 10 days before the First-Trump Rapture at Mid-Trib, Rev_2:22 says, "Behold, I will cast her (the church of Thyatira) into a bed, and them that commit adultery (join) with her into GREAT TRIBULATION, except they repent of their deeds."

THE FIRST-TRUMP RAPTURE PRECEDES THE GREAT TRIBULATION; THE LAST-TRUMP RAPTURE WILL BE ON THE DAY OF GOD’S WRATH

Rev_7:14 says, "And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb."

Here they are within their context:

Mat 24:14-22 says, "And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
Mat 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
Mat 24:17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
Mat 24:18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
Mat 24:19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
Mat 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Mat 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened."

Rev 2:18-22 says, "And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass; 19 I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last to be more than the first. 20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols. 21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not. 22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds."

Rev 7:9-17 says, "After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; 10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb. 11 And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God, 12 Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen. 13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? 14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation (i.e., the last half of the Tribulation, the Great Tribulation), and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb (i.e., repented of their sins and were caught up to heaven in the Last-Trump Rapture on the great and terrible Day of the Lord). 15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them. 16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat. 17 For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes."

> > God considers the dead body of anyone who dies NOT BELIEVING IN CHRIST as a "carcass".

The body of one that believes in Christ actually never dies. Their earthly body dies, but the real person who has been dwelling in that body never dies.

Joh 11:26 says, "And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

Yes! definitely. Putting off the earthly body is more like taking off a coat than actually dying. That body can no longer eat, but the real person lives on. Jesus ate to prove that the resurrection body can eat.

As if we needed proof that the real person doesn’t die, I have it. My husband Ed died Dec. 27, 2011. He was 87. He came to see me on April 2, 2012. He proved John 11:26 true. His voice was normal, and he looked exactly as he did when he was 33. I have a picture where he was grinning ear to ear exactly as when he came to see me. His voice sounded normal. He wore a black shirt and pants, seemingly made of black silk shirt material, and black wingtip shoes. His clothes hung on his body as if it were solid, yet when he left, he walked through the wall, clothing and all. He will receive another body, called the resurrection body, at the time of the Last Trump Rapture. That body will be made perfect, and he will keep it permanently.

I asked him if we could be together forever. He said, "Yes." Thank you, Lord.

I feel so blessed. I am happy how my life is turning out. I said, "Yes" to Jesus, and "Yes" to Ed when, on the 4th day we got together, he asked me to marry him. Now I will soon get to be with them both forever. I can’t think of anything better. Thank you Lord for the miracles you arranged so this Indiana girl would meet the Tennessee boy that prayed for a Christian wife when he was on board a ship coming home from Japan after WW II. In Jesus’ name, Amen....

The date Ed came to see me might be a sign.

http://www.hebcal.com/converter/?gd=2&gm=4&gy=2015&g2h=1
Mon. April 2, 2012 (Nisan 10, 5772) + 1260 days = Mon. Sept. 14, 2015, Tishri 1, 5776, Feast of Trumpets

2015 AD
Sunday, March 29, 2015, Nisan 9, 5775, Palm Sunday, Ed’s birthday
Thursday, April 2, 2015, Nisan 13, 5775, anniversary of Crucifixion Day, Thu. Nisan 13, 3790, April 6, 30 AD (our son David was born on April 6)

Torah Calendar, the only Calendar Program I know of that has the correct dates for 30 AD: http://www.torahcalendar.com/Calendar.asp?YM=Y30M1

Sunday, Nisan 9, 3790, April 2, 30 AD (Julian day 1,466,291) Palm Sunday
Monday, Nisan 10, April 3 (Julian day 1,466,292)
Tuesday, Nisan 11, April 4 (Julian day 1,466,293)
Wednesday, Nisan 12, April 5 (Julian day 1,466, 294)
Thursday, Nisan 13, 3790, April 6, 30 AD, Preparation Day, Fast of Esther (4:15), Crucifixion
Friday, Nisan 14, 3790, April 7 (Julian day 1,466,296) Feast of Passover
Saturday, Nisan 15, 3790, April 8 (Julian day 1,466,297) Feast of Unleavened Bread
Sunday, Nisan 16, 3790, April 9 (Julian day 1,466,298) Feast of Firstfruits,
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