Pro and Con 1843

Posted 2-13-15

ONE OF THE RAREST OF GOD'S CREATIONS, AN ECHIDNA, CALLED A PUGGLE
WHEN A BABY. FOUND IN NEW GUINEA AND AUSTRALIA, IT IS A MAMMAL
THAT LAYS SOFT-SHELL EGGS KEPT IN A POUCH. AFTER HATCHING, THE
BABY STAYS IN THE POUCH ABOUT 50 WEEKS. IT HAS A LONG TONGUE
AND EATS ANTS AND TERMITES. IT CAN ESCAPE DANGER BY
DIGGING STRAIGHT DOWN.

INCOMING EMAIL, RE: question

Hi Marilyn, I have followed you for years. 3 weeks ago my husband of 42 years..come Feb17th...died suddenly of a heart attack. Sunday afternoon I was taking a nap and had a dream where I was singing a duet with someone. The song was "Walk Right Back" by the Everly Brothers. I haven't thought of that song in years, but the dream was very vivid and specific. Made laugh out loud when I woke up...and cry a little. This morning I was thinking..."that might not be so far fetched!" There were resurrected saints that walked the earth with Jesus at his resurrection. So we may experience that right before the rapture. I would like for you to explain more about why our bodies need to be resurrected. You saw your husband in a form, but will he be changed at some point again as well? Thanks for your faithful witness!

MY REPLY

I'll tell you what I can about our resurrection bodies. There will be one more change. After the Last-Trump Rapture, our incorruptible bodies will actually become immortal.

1Co 15:51-58 says, "Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption (i.e., at either Rapture), and this mortal shall have put on immortality (only after the last Rapture), then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. 55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? 56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law. 57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. 58 Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord."

I am so sorry you have to do without your husband until the Rapture, but at least once that takes place, we can be with our husbands forever. I have proof.

Before he died, I told Ed that I loved him so much I wanted to be with him forever, so when he visited me, I asked him, "Can we be together forever?" and he said, "Yes." I was so relieved. I asked him if he had gotten with his family. He said, "Yes." I asked if he had gotten with my family. He said, "Yes."

When Ed and I met, I was 17 and he was 22. When on board a ship coming home from Japan after WWII, he prayed for a Christian wife.

The Lord accomplished two things by getting my dad transferred from Vigo Ordinance Works in Terre Haute, IN, to Holston Ordinance Works in Kingsport, TN. They needed dad as Safety Engineer, because both England and Canada's plants blew up. H.O.W. was able to make Compound B explosive for all the allies. Dad put the plant in mothballs after the war, but they are now operating again, and still doing it safely.

The Lord also had to pull off some miracles to get Ed and I together. We lived in Kingsport. So did Ed's folks, but so far removed from each other, I doubt that we would have met. The Lord first got my family to move to Staff Quarters at H.O.W. four miles out of town. Then he got Ed's family to move to Staff Quarters. His house was 2 houses up the hill and across the street from mine.

It was practically love at first sight, at least by the second day we got together. He asked me to marry him on the fourth day. I couldn't stand it if we couldn't be together. We were together 65 years without a fight. The Lord knew what he was doing, and Ed backed me up in my Bible studies all the way. He bought me a heavy desk, a big electric typewriter, and we made the garage into a room where I could study and write. Later, he got me several Macs and kept saying, "You ought to be on the Internet." The same day I finished the 3rd book, he signed me up. I have been on the Internet ever since (and have gone through a string of computers). The Lord knew what he was doing in putting us together, and I am so thankful.

I am happy how my life is turning out. I said, "Yes" to Jesus, and "Yes" to Ed, and now I will get to be with them both forever. I can't think of anything better.

After Ed died, I had read the following verses and was confused. I couldn't be sure we could be together.

Mat_19:5: "For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh".

Mat_22:30: " For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven."

Mar_12:25: "For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven."

Here are scriptures concerning the body. We will end up with a body like Christ had after the Resurrection.

Php 3:20-21 says, "For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ: 21 Who shall change our vile (tapeinosis, low estate) body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body".

1Jn_3:2 says, "Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear (i.e., at the Rapture), we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is."

After his resurrection, he could walk through walls. He took the Old Testament saints to Heaven and returned the same day. It takes us 7 years to just get a spaceship with a camera out there. He must have travelled at the speed of thought.

Long ago, I had a dream of being in Heaven. Ed and I were walking up to the large doorway in a huge warehouse type building with aluminum sides. We seemed as normal and solid as down here. The crushed rock walkway crunched under our shoes. A boy I brought to the Lord just before he stepped on a mine in Viet Nam ran up and hugged me. I said, "Yes, you barely made it, didn't you?" Then he got lost in the crowd. When Ed and went in, there were long tables, covered with white tablecloths, and benches arranged like pews in a church. There was a center aisle and outer aisles. Up front there were several large dining room type tables. We were served food.

1Co 15:35-40 says, "But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come? 36 says, "Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened (zoopoieo, to make alive), except it die: 37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain: 38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body. 39 All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds. 40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another."

Ed's celestial body seemed just like he was when he was 33 years old, but it could walk through the wall, body, shirt, pants and wingtip shoes, with no problem whatsoever. He didn't have to pick his way around the electrical strip on the floor, and he must have gone through the end of the dresser too. The space between the dresser and night stand is narrower than he was.

1Co 15:41-49 says, "There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory. 42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: 43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: 44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. 45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening (zoopoieo, to make alive) spirit. 46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. 47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man (i.e., the last Adam) is the Lord from heaven. 48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. 49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly."

Luk 20:36 says, "Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection."

Rev_20:6 says, "Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years."

Rev 5:10 says, "And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on (epi, on or over) the earth."

We will reside in New Jerusalem. That globe, whose length, breadth and width are equal, will come down and orbit Earth like the Moon. It looks like we will travel back and forth between New Jerusalem and Earth when necessary to do our jobs.

Eventually, there will be a new heaven and a new earth. Rev_21:1 says, "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea."

Rev_21:4 says, "And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away."

Thank you Lord. Agape

INCOMING EMAIL

When you study Daniel 1:1-3 in coordination with Revelation 12:7-12 you discover that they BOTH BEGIN with Michael preforming his assigned task of casting Satan out of heaven, and they BOTH END with the RAPTURED Church dwelling in heaven. But Daniel 1:1 adds a THIRD DIMENSION of ANOTHER EVENT also going on at the SAME TIME BETWEEN the time Michael stands up to battle Satan and Jesus raptures the Church :

Daniel 12:1

"And there shall be A TIME OF TROUBLE (i.e., great tribulation) such as never was since there was a nation (Israel), even to that time."

Revelation 2:10
"You will have TRIBULATION TEN DAYS......and I will give you THE CROWN OF LIFE."

We are told in the above Scriptures that God's "ten day tribulation" upon Israel is the ten days immediately preceding the day of our rapture AFTER which we receive our "crown of life". The ten day tribulation upon Israel, BEFORE THE RAPTURE, is being orchestrated by Jesus on earth AT THE SAME TIME Michael is battling Satan in heaven. THE RESULT is that Satan is cast down to earth, and the Church is raptured to heaven ON THE 10th day AFTER THE "TEN DAY TRIBULATION" .

That would be Nisan 10, the 'DAY OF PALMS'. Therefore I believe we are told that the DAY OF THE LORD Begins on Nisan 1, which is New Years Day of God's Sacred Lunar Year calendar, and then TEN DAYS later on Nisan 10, Satan is cast down to earth at the same time the Church is raptured up to heaven.

Revelation 7:14-15
"These are they who come out of the (time of) great tribulation (of Israel) , and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Therefore they are before the throne of God.."

Bruce Warner, Scripturalist for the Lord

MY REPLY

Rev. 7:14,15 shows you that there is a Great Tribulation after the Mid-Trib Rapture, between that Rapture and the SECOND COMING. There is a group that comes out of "great tribulation."

Rev. 7:14,15 says, "These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them."

> > When you study Daniel 1:1-3 in coordination with Revelation 12:7-12 you discover that they BOTH BEGIN with Michael preforming his assigned task of casting Satan out of heaven, and they BOTH END with the RAPTURED Church dwelling in heaven. But Daniel 1:1 adds a THIRD DIMENSION of ANOTHER EVENT also going on at the SAME TIME BETWEEN the time Michael stands up to battle Satan and Jesus raptures the Church :

I think you mean Daniel 12:1-3 and Daniel 12:1.

> > Daniel 12:1
"And there shall be A TIME OF TROUBLE (i.e., great tribulation) such as never was since there was a nation (Israel), even to that time."

There were nations before Israel became a nation. Babel comes to mind.

Dan 12:1 says, "And at that time (i.e., Mid-Trib) shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be (i.e., after that) a time of trouble (i.e., the Great Tribulation), such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time (i.e., Mid-Trib) thy people shall be delivered (malat, to leap out, escape, i.e., be raptured), every one that shall be found written in the book."

Rev 12:7-12 says, "And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, Rev 12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. Rev 12:10-12 says, "And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now (arti, just now) is come salvation (soteria, rescue, i.e., the First-Trump Rapture), and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. 11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. 12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye (i.e., the raptured saints) that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you (i.e., Mid-Trib), having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time" (i.e., the Great Tribulation is to be shortened).

> > Revelation 2:10
"You will have TRIBULATION TEN DAYS......and I will give you THE CROWN OF LIFE."

The Revelation of Jesus Christ is written as if it is ten days before the First-Trump Rapture.

Rev 1:3 says, "Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand."

Rev 22:10 says, "And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand."

> > We are told in the above Scriptures that God's "ten day tribulation" upon Israel is the ten days immediately preceding the day of our rapture AFTER which we receive our "crown of life". The ten day tribulation upon Israel, BEFORE THE RAPTURE, is being orchestrated by Jesus on earth AT THE SAME TIME Michael is battling Satan in heaven. THE RESULT is that Satan is cast down to earth, and the Church is raptured to heaven ON THE 10th day AFTER THE "TEN DAY TRIBULATION" .

Rev 2:10 is talking about the CHURCH OF SMYRNA, NOT ISRAEL.

Rev 2:8-11 says, "And unto the angel of the CHURCH in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive; 9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan. 10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life. 11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the CHURCHES; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death."

This addresses all the churches 10 days before Mid-Trib. A special message is given threatening to cast the church of Thyatira into the "GREAT TRIBULATION", the last half of the Tribulation.

Rev 2:18-22 says, "And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass; 19 I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last to be more than the first. 20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication (i.e., joining), and to eat things sacrificed unto idols. 21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication (i.e., joining); and she repented not. 22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into GREAT TRIBULATION (i.e., the shortened Great Tribulation that takes place after the Mid-Trib Rapture), except they repent of their deeds."

Mat_24:21,22 says, "For then shall be GREAT TRIBULATION, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened."

Mar_13:20 says, "And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days."

Rev_7:14 says, "And he said to me, These are they which came out of GREAT TRIBULATION, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb."

Mat_24:29 says, "Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken"

Mar_13:24 says, "But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light".

> > That would be Nisan 10, the 'DAY OF PALMS'. Therefore I believe we are told that the DAY OF THE LORD Begins on Nisan 1, which is New Years Day of God's Sacred Lunar Year calendar, and then TEN DAYS later on Nisan 10, Satan is cast down to earth at the same time the Church is raptured up to heaven.

Palm Sunday was Nisan 9 in 30 AD. That Sunday was April 2, 30 AD, Julian Day 1,466,291. http://www.torahcalendar.com/Calendar.asp?YM=Y30M1

Sat, Nisan 8, 3790, April 1, 30 AD, Jesus came to Bethany "six days before the passover" (Nisan 14)
Sun, Nisan 9, 3790, April 2, 30 AD, Palm Sunday, Jesus presented himself as king
Mon, Nisan 10, 3790, April 3, 30 AD, Jesus cursed the fig tree
Tue, Nisan 11, 3790, April 4, 30 AD, fig tree withered
Wed, Nisan 12, 3790, April 5, 30 AD, anointed for burial
Thu, Nisan 13, 3790, April 6, 30 AD, "preparation of the passover", Crucifixion
Fri, Nisan 14, 3790, April 7, 30 AD, Passover, 1st day "since"
Sat, Nisan 15, 3790, April 8, 30 AD, Unleavened Bread, 2nd day "since"
Sun, Nisan 16, 3790, April 9, 30 AD, Firstfruits, the third day "since"

Luk_24:21 says, "to day (i.e., Sunday) is the third day since these things were done."

> > Revelation 7:14-15
> > "These are they who come out of the (time of) great tribulation (of Israel) , and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Therefore they are before the throne of God.."

It doesn't single out Israel. It includes all nations.

Rev 7:13-17 says, "And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? 14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation (i.e., the last 3.5 years of the 7-year Tribulation, the part that is to be shortened), and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them. 16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat. 17 For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes."

Thus, Rev. 7:14 shows you that there is a Great Tribulation after the Mid-Trib Rapture, between that Rapture and the SECOND COMING.

1st, there are 3.5 years of Tribulation, and I think we are in that Tribulation now. 2nd, there will be a First-Trump Rapture at Mid-Trib (I Thess 4:16,17). 3rd, there will be 3.5 years of Great Tribulation that will be shortened. 4th, After that, there will be a Last-Trump Rapture (I Cor 15:51-54). 5th, after that, there will be the Second Advent.

Keep in mind that Deu 4:30,31 says, "When thou art in tribulation, and all these things are come upon thee, even in the latter days, if thou turn to the LORD thy God, and shalt be obedient unto his voice; 31 (For the LORD thy God is a merciful God;) he will not forsake thee, neither destroy thee, nor forget the covenant of thy fathers which he sware unto them."

THE SEQUENCE OF EVENTS

1. A 3.5 year Tribulation that is not shortened
2. The Mid-Trib First-Trump Rapture
3. A 3.5 year Great Tribulation that will be shortened
4. The Last-Trump Rapture

Dan 12:1 says, "And at that time (i.e., Mid-Trib) shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be (i.e., after Mid-Trib) a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time (i.e., Mid-Trib) thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book."

> > Daniel 12:1
"And there shall be A TIME OF TROUBLE (i.e., great tribulation) such as never was since there was a nation (Israel), even to that time."

I agree, except there were other nations before Israel crossed over the Jordan on Nisan 10. After all, they came out of Egypt.

Nisan 10, when the Israelites crossed over the Jordan, plus the three days they couldn't go to war, was Nisan 13. The Crucifixion was on Nisan 13. Just maybe the First-Trump Rapture will be on Nisan 13, 5775, Thu. April 2, 2015. Agape

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