Pro and Con 1846

Posted 3-2-15

THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I HAVE SEEN AN ALBINO REDWOOD. GOD SURE MAKES THINGS INTERESTING

MY REPLY TO AN INCOMING EMAIL

> > Our God cannot be Eternal if He creates things not Eternal. Heaven and Hell are both Forever because He is Forever

My God can do anything he pleases, be it eternal or not. He is all powerful, omnipotent, having complete power. He is not limited in any way whatsoever. If he wants something to not be eternal, it will not be eternal.

He is eternal, omniscient, omnipresent, and omnipotent. He knows the future. He can supersede what we call the laws of physics. He can do whatever he desires. He is not limited by anything, and certainly not by anything he creates. He can be consistent or inconsistent, according to his own purposes.

Heaven and Hell are forever because he chooses for them to be forever, and nothing that he does goes against his being omniscient, omnipresent, and omnipotent. Agape

INTERESTING NEWS ON FIVE DOVES SITE

Luis Vega has come up with some more interesting information about the Moon in 2015.

Reported by Cal Werner (22 Feb 2015) "tetrads, shemitah, jubilee and such"

"Good summary on moon tetrads and such."

http://theworldisshaking.blogspot.com/2015/01/here-is-why-all-who-profess-jesus.html

"2015 SUPER MOONS: (6)
1. New Moon - Jan 20
2. New Moon - Feb 18 (Black Moon)
3. New Moon - Mar20
4. Full Moon - Aug 29 (Perigee Moon)
5. Full Moon - Sep 28
6. Full Moon - Oct27"... "The current 2014/2015 Tetrads appear to denote the "end of the story", possibly marking Israel's final redemption, wherein the Jewish nation will finally come to recognize Yeshua as Savior, Lord and King."

THE ALTAR OF EARTH REPRESENTED THE PLANET EARTH

The "LORD said unto Moses, Thus thou shalt say unto the children of Israel, Ye have seen that I have talked with you from heaven (i.e., represented by the 7th lamp on the lampstand, Josephus, Ant., III. VI. 7; Wars, V. V. 5). 23 Ye shall not make with me gods of silver, neither shall ye make unto you gods of gold. 24 AN ALTAR OF EARTH (i.e., the 4th lamp on the lampstand) thou shalt make unto me, and shalt sacrifice thereon thy burnt offerings, and thy peace offerings, thy sheep, and thine oxen: in all places where I record my name I will come unto thee, and I will bless thee. (Ex 20:22-24)

INCOMING EMAIL, RE: THE RAPTURE CANNOT HAPPEN AND WILL NOT HAPPEN UNTIL

The rapture CANNOT happen and WILL NOT happen UNTIL the anti-Christ is REVEALED to the world according to:

2 Thessalonians 2:1 & 3
"Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and OUR GATHERING TOGETHER (RAPTURE) TO HIM ...........THAT DAY WILL NOT COME UNLESS.......THE MAN OF SIN (anti-Christ) IS REVEALED....."

"Let no one deceive you by any means"

Many have been trying to deceive you over the past years, haven't they, because THE ANTI-CHRIST HAS NOT YET BEEN REVEALED TO THE WORLD, but he is about to be REVEALED as the new leader of Israel.( Daniel 11:21-45 )

When he is REVEALED that will fulfill the SECOND REQUIREMENT NECESSARY for the RAPTURE TO OCCUR . The first requirement is the world's "falling away" from the word of God known as the 'apostasy'. No one can argue that requirement hasn't already been fulfilled.

"Watch" for the, soon to come, REVEALING OF THE ANTI-CHRIST to the whole world, and then we are soon ON OUR WAY !!!

MY REPLY

> > The rapture CANNOT happen and WILL NOT happen UNTIL the anti-Christ is REVEALED to the world according to :

> > 2 Thessalonians 2:1 & 3
"Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and OUR GATHERING TOGETHER (RAPTURE) TO HIM ...........THAT DAY WILL NOT COME UNLESS.......THE MAN OF SIN (anti-Christ) IS REVEALED....."

"REMEMBER YE NOT, THAT, WHEN I WAS YET WITH YOU, I TOLD YOU THESE THINGS?"

2Th 2:1-5 says, "Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him (i.e., at the First-Trump Rapture), 2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 5 REMEMBER YE NOT, THAT, WHEN I WAS YET WITH YOU, I TOLD YOU THESE THINGS?"

THE KJV HAS TWO MISTAKES IN TRANSLATION IN 2 THESS. 2:1-3

The "day of Christ" should be the "day of the Lord". See the Sinaitic Codex, 330-360 AD, the Alexandrine Codex, c. 400 AD, and the Vatican Codex, c. 325 AD, all published before the KJV was published in 1611 AD, but found after the KJV was published. "Codex Sinaiticus, Despite its rather austere appearance, the Codex Sinaiticus is a treasure beyond price. Produced in the middle of the fourth century, the Codex is one of the two earliest Christian Bibles. (The other is the Codex Vaticanus in Rome.) Within its beautifully handwritten Greek text are the earliest surviving copy of the complete New Testament and the earliest and best copies of some of the Jewish scriptures, in the form that they were adopted by the Christian Church. As one of the earliest luxury codices to survive in large part, the Codex forms one of the most important landmarks in the history of the book." http://www.bl.uk/onlinegallery/sacredtexts/codexsinai.html

"Codex Vaticanus is an important fourth century majuscule manuscript. It contains Matthew, 2 Thessalonians, Hebrews 1.1,9.13, James and Jude. It lacks the Pastorals, Philemon, and Revelation." https://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&aq=&oq=Vatican+Codex&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4MXGB_enUS531US534&q=Vatican+Codex&gs_l=hp...0l2j0i30l2j0i8i30.0.0.1.636289...........0.KiL7VQeJmxs

"Codex Alexandrinus is one of the three earliest and most important manuscripts of the entire Bible in Greek, the others being Codex Sinaiticus, also in the British Library, and Codex Vaticanus in Rome. It is therefore of enormous importance in establishing the biblical text....

"The Codex Alexandrinus contains the Septuagint (the Koine Greek version of the Old Testament) and the New Testament, in addition to a few additional pieces of text that do not appear in standard Bibles, such as part of the Epistles of Clement."
 http://www.bl.uk/onlinegallery/sacredtexts/codexalex.html

"THE DEPARTURE"

A "falling away" in 2 Th 2:3 (KJV) actually should be translated "DEPARTING". It is talking about the First-Trump Rapture. The HNV calls it "THE DEPARTURE."

2 Th 2:1-10 (HNV) says, "Now, brothers, concerning the coming of our Lord Yeshua the Messiah, and our gathering together to him, we ask you not to be quickly shaken in your mind, nor yet be troubled, either by spirit, or by word, or by letter as from us, saying that the day of Messiah (i.e., Day of the Lord) had come. Let no one deceive you in any way. For it will not be, unless THE DEPARTURE ("our gathering together to him", i.e., the FIRST-Trump Rapture of I Th 4:16,17) COMES FIRST, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of destruction (i.e., the son of perdition, the False Prophet), he who opposes and exalts himself against all that is called God or that is worshiped; so that he sits as God in the temple of God, setting himself up as God. Don't you remember that, when I was still with you, I told you these things (i.e., in I Thess. 4:13-18)? 6 Now you know what (i.e., the Holy Spirit) is restraining him, to the end THAT HE MAY BE REVEALED IN HIS OWN SEASON (i.e., the Great Tribulation). 7 For the mystery of lawlessness already works. Only there is one (i.e., the Holy Spirit) who restrains now, until he is taken out of the way (i.e., at the time of the Mid-Trib Rapture). 8 THEN (tote, at that time, i.e., Mid-Trib) THE LAWLESS ONE (i.e., the False Prophet) WILL BE REVEALED, whom the Lord will kill with the breath of his mouth, and bring to nothing by the brightness of his coming; 9 even he whose coming is according to the working of Hasatan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10 and with all deception of wickedness for those who are being lost, because they didn't receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved."

The Antichrist is in power during the first half of the Tribulation, then the first Rapture takes place Mid-Trib. After that "the man of sin (i.e., the False Prophet) is revealed, and Satan enters into him, the son of destruction". The False Prophet rules during the shortened Great Tribulation.

"THEM THAT DWELL IN HEAVEN" (THE BRIDE SAINTS, Rev 13:6) ONLY HAVE TO ENDURE THE FIRST HALF OF THE TRIBULATION, THEY WILL BE RAPTURED AT THE END OF 42 MONTHS

Of the first beast, called the Antichrist, and the saints caught up to Heaven Mid-Trib, Rev 13:5,6 (KJV) says, "And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months (i.e., the first half of the Tribulation). 6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and THEM THAT DWELL IN HEAVEN."

The First-Trump Rapture has just taken place Mid-Trib, "forty-two months" into the 7-yr. Tribulation.

Rev 13:11 is talking about the False Prophet that becomes Satan-indwelt Mid-Trib. "And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth (i.e., where Satan was cast in Rev. 12:9); and he had two horns (i.e., two comings) like a lamb (i.e, Christ), and he spake as a dragon."

Rev 17:8-14 says, "The beast (i.e., Satan) that thou sawest was (i.e., in Judas Iscariot), and is not (i.e., in man now); and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit (Mid-Trib), and go into perdition (i.e., the False Prophet, the 2nd son of perdition): and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was (i.e., in Judas Iscariot), and is not (i.e., in man now), and yet is (i.e., exists). 9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains (i.e., kingdoms), on which the woman (i.e., the Harlot Church) sitteth. 10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is (i.e., the Antichrist), and the other (i.e., the False Prophet) is not yet come; and when he cometh (i.e., MId-Trib), he must continue a short space (i.e., the shortened Great Tribulation). 11 And the beast that was, and is not (i.e., Satan), even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition (i.e., the False Prophet). 12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet (i.e., before Mid-Trib); but receive power as kings one hour with the beast (i.e., the False Prophet). 13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast. 14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and THEY THAT ARE WITH HIM (i.e., at Mid-Trib) are called, and chosen, and faithful."

THE SEVEN KINGDOMS WHOSE LEADERS ARE ALL CALLED PONTIFEX MAXIMUS

Rev 13:1 says, "And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns (i.e., it is the time of the Great Tribulation), and upon his heads the name of blasphemy" (i.e., Pontifex Maximus).

1. Babel, ruled by Nimrod, the first Pontifex Maximus
2. Babylon II
3. Media-Persia
4. Greece
5. Holy Roman Empire (5 are fallen)
6. Holy Roman Ecclesiastical Empire (one is)
7. Babylon III (has not yet come), ruled by the False Prophet, the last Pontifex Maximus

THE DAY OF CHRIST, OR DAY OF THE LORD JESUS, IS THE DAY OF THE FIRST-TRUMP RAPTURE MID-TRIB

Php_1:10 says, "That ye may approve things that are excellent; that ye may be sincere and without offence till the day of Christ".

Php_2:16 says, "Holding forth the word of life; that I may rejoice in the day of Christ, that I have not run in vain, neither laboured in vain."

1Co_5:5 says, "To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus."

2Co_1:14 says, "As also ye have acknowledged us in part, that we are your rejoicing, even as ye also are ours in the day of the Lord Jesus."

THE FIRST HALF OF THE TRIBULATION IS 3.5 YEARS; THE LAST HALF, CALLED THE GREAT TRIBULATION, WILL BE SHORTENED

The Tribulation ends Mid-Trib with the First-Trump Rapture of I Thess. 4:13-18.

The Great Tribulation runs from Mid-Trib until the Last-Trump Rapture of I Cor. 15:51-54 and the outpouring of God's Wrath on the great and terrible Day of the Lord (Rev. 6:17; 7:9-14).

ANAPHORIC (PREVIOUS REFERENCE)

In the Greek, the article "he" (the) can be Anaphoric and refer back to something spoken previously. This happens in 2 Thess. 2. Verse 5 says, "Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?"

2Th 2:1-9 (KJV) says, "Now we beseech you, brethren (i.e., believers), by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by OUR GATHERING TOGETHER UNTO HIM (i.e., at the First-Trump Rapture), 2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ (should be day of the Lord, see Sinaitic Codex, Vatican Codex and Alexandrine Codex) is at hand. 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away (he apostacia, the DEPARTING, i.e., the First-Trump Rapture) first, and that man of sin be revealed (i.e., at Mid-Trib), THE SON OF PERDITION (i.e., the False Prophet); 4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? 6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. 7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he (i.e., the Holy Spirit) who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way (i.e., Mid-Trib). 8 And then (tote, at that time) shall that Wicked (i.e., the False Prophet) be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders". The anaphoric article is the article denoting previous reference. The first mention of the substantive is usually anarthrous (i.e., meaning used without the article) because it is merely being introduced. But subsequent mentions of it use the article, for the article is now pointing back to the substantive previously mentioned.
http://www.bcbsr.com/greek/gsubs.html

When the article "he" is used with apostasia, it refers back to the First-Trump Rapture Paul taught the Thessalonians previously in I Thess. 4:13-18.

"Liddell and Scott" gives the second meaning of apostasia as "departure" or "disappearance".

..."it points to the left toward its antecedent"
(https://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4MXGB_enUS531US534&q=anaphoric+article+)

The history of translations of he apostasia varied little for the first fifteen centuries. Jerome's Latin Vulgate used the Latin "discessio", meaning "departure".

"Dana and Mantey define the anaphoric article (i.e. The article denoting previous reference): 'The article may be used to point out an object the identity of which is defined by some previous reference".

This previous reference was when Paul taught them about the First-Trump Rapture in I Thess. 4:13-18.

Our "gathering together unto him"refers to the First-Trump Rapture, which takes place MId-Trib.

2Th 2:2,3 in the original Geneva Bible says, "That ye be not suddenly mooued from your minde, nor troubled neither by spirit, nor by worde, nor by letter, as it were from vs, as though the day of Christ (should be day of the Lord) were at hand. Let no man deceiue you by any meanes: for that day (i.e., the Day of the Lord) shall not come, except there come a DEPARTING first, and that that man of sinne be disclosed, euen the sonne of perdition" (emphasis mine).

I Thess 2:3,4 in the Tyndale Bible (1525/26) says,"Let no man deceave you by eny meanes for THE LORDE COMMETH NOT EXCEPTE THER COME A DEPARTYNGE FIRST and that that synfull man be opened ye sonne of perdicion 4 which is an adversarie and is exalted above all that is called god or that is worshipped: so that he shall sitt as God in temple of god and shew him silfe as god."

Seven early Bibles have DEPARTING FIRST in 2 Thess. 2:3.

1. Wycliffe Bible (1330) has "departynge first"
2. Tyndale Bible (1525/26) has "departynge first"
3. Coverdale Bible 1535) has "departynge first"
4. Crammer Bible (1539) has "departynge first"
5. Geneva Bible (1560) has "departynge first"
6. Breeches Bible (1583) has "departynge first"
7. Beza Bible (1583) has "departing first"

The KJV translation of 1611 was the first to make the 2 errors in 2 Thess. 2:3,4. Several modern translations followed in the KJV footsteps, but the World English Bible corrected the second error.

2 Thess. 2:3,4 (WEB) says, "Now, brothers, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and our gathering together to him, we ask you 2 not to be quickly shaken in your mind, nor yet be troubled, either by spirit, or by word, or by letter as from us, saying that the day of Christ (should be day of the Lord) had come. 3 Let no one deceive you in any way. For it will not be, unless THE DEPARTURE COMES FIRST, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of destruction, 4 he who opposes and exalts himself against all that is called God or that is worshiped; so that he sits as God in the temple of God, setting himself up as God."

Kenneth Wuest, a New Testament Greek scholar, translated verse 3 as: "Do not allow anyone to lead you astray in any way, because that day [the day of the Lord] shall not come except the aforementioned departure [of the Church to Heaven] comes first."

THE DAY OF THE LORD IS THE DAY OF THE LAST-TRUMP RAPTURE AND THE DAY OF GOD'S WRATH

The Great Tribulation is 3.5 years that will be shortened or no flesh would be saved. It ends with the Last-Trump Rapture just before the Wrath of God hits Earth (Rev. 6:17; 7:9-14).

1Th_5:2 says, "For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night."

2Pe_3:10 says, "the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up."

Isa_2:12 says, "For the day of the LORD of hosts shall be upon every one that is proud and lofty, and upon every one that is lifted up; and he shall be brought low".

Isa_13:6 says, "Howl ye; for the day of the LORD is at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty."

Isa_13:9 says, "Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it."

Isa_34:8 says, "For it is the day of the LORD'S vengeance, and the year of recompences for the controversy of Zion".

Jer_46:10 says, "For this is the day of the Lord GOD of hosts, a day of vengeance, that he may avenge him of his adversaries: and the sword shall devour, and it shall be satiate and made drunk with their blood: for the Lord GOD of hosts hath a sacrifice in the north country by the river Euphrates."

Lam_2:22 says, "Thou hast called as in a solemn day my terrors round about, so that in the day of the LORD'S anger none escaped nor remained: those that I have swaddled and brought up hath mine enemy consumed."

Eze_13:5 says, "Ye have not gone up into the gaps, neither made up the hedge for the house of Israel to stand in the battle in the day of the LORD."

Eze_30:3 says, "For the day is near, even the day of the LORD is near, a cloudy day; it shall be the time of the heathen."

Joe_1:15 says, "Alas for the day! for the day of the LORD is at hand, and as a destruction from the Almighty shall it come."

Joe_2:1 says, "Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand".

Joe_2:11 says, "And the LORD shall utter his voice before his army: for his camp is very great: for he is strong that executeth his word: for the day of the LORD is great and very terrible; and who can abide it?"

Joe_2:31 says, "The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come."

Joe_3:14 says, "Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for the day of the LORD is near in the valley of decision."

Amo_5:18 says, "Woe unto you that desire the day of the LORD ! to what end is it for you? the day of the LORD is darkness, and not light."

Amo_5:20 says, "Shall not the day of the LORD be darkness, and not light? even very dark, and no brightness in it?"

Oba_1:15 says, "For the day of the LORD is near upon all the heathen: as thou hast done, it shall be done unto thee: thy reward shall return upon thine own head."

Zep_1:7 says, "Hold thy peace at the presence of the Lord GOD: for the day of the LORD is at hand: for the LORD hath prepared a sacrifice, he hath bid his guests."

Zep_1:8 says, "And it shall come to pass in the day of the LORD'S sacrifice, that I will punish the princes, and the king's children, and all such as are clothed with strange apparel."

Zep_1:14 says, "The great day of the LORD is near, it is near, and hasteth greatly, even the voice of the day of the LORD : the mighty man shall cry there bitterly."

Zep_1:18 says, "Neither their silver nor their gold shall be able to deliver them in the day of the LORD'S wrath; but the whole land shall be devoured by the fire of his jealousy: for he shall make even a speedy riddance of all them that dwell in the land."

Zep_2:2-5 says, "Before the decree bring forth, before the day pass as the chaff, before the fierce anger of the LORD come upon you, before the day of the LORD'S anger come upon you. 3 Seek ye the LORD, all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought his judgment; seek righteousness, seek meekness: it may be ye shall be hid in the day of the LORD'S anger. 4 For Gaza shall be forsaken, and Ashkelon a desolation: they shall drive out Ashdod at the noon day, and Ekron shall be rooted up. 5 Woe unto the inhabitants of the sea coast".

Zec_14:1 says, "Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee."

Mal_4:5 says, "Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD".

Act_2:20 says, "The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the LORD come".

ELIJAH WILL COME MID-TRIB

Rev 11:1-3 says, "And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise (i.e., the First-Trump Rapture), and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein. 2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months. 3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses (i.e., Moses and Elijah), and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth."

1Co 15:51-54 says, "Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory."

> > THE ANTI-CHRIST HAS NOT YET BEEN REVEALED TO THE WORLD, but he is about to be REVEALED as the new leader of Israel.( Daniel 11:21-45 )

To me, the Anti-Christ has already been revealed, and he is not the leader of Israel. The False Prophet will not be revealed until we are gone. Agape

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