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Posted 3-29-15

ROCK TURNED TO GLASS BY IMPACT FOUND DEEP UNDERGROUND IN AUSTRALIA

INCOMING EMAIL, RE: TWO PIECES OF ASTEROID CRASHED INTO AUSTRALIA MANY MILLIONS OF YEARS AGO

(http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/24/asia/australia-huge-asteroid-impact/index.html)

Researchers: World's largest asteroid impact zone found in Australia

The massive meteorite split in two shortly before smashing into Earth, wiping out large numbers of species.

MY REPLY

Thanks. This is a fantastic find.

"Researchers: World's largest asteroid impact zone found in Australia
"By Jethro Mullen, CNN, March 24, 2015

"Story highlights

"Two pieces of asteroid crashed into Australia many millions of years ago

"Researchers stumble across traces of the impact zone deep in the earth's crust...

"In a remote part of Central Australia, the two pieces of asteroid left what geophysicists say is the largest impact zone ever found on Earth, spreading over an area 400 kilometers (250 miles) wide.... (http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/24/asia/australia-huge-asteroid-impact/index.html)

"The two asteroids must each have been over 10 kilometers (6.2 miles) across - it would have been curtains for many life species on the planet at the time," Andrew Glikson, a paleoclimate scientist at Australian National University who led the study, said in a statement." (http://www.livescience.com/50227-biggest-asteroid-impact-zone-found-under-australia.html)

"Glikson and his colleagues found the first signs of these domes while drilling into the Earth's crust as part of a geothermal research project in the Warburton Basin in central Australia. They found that their drill cores from more than 1.25 miles (2 km) below the surface contained traces of rocks that had been melted to glass during a catastrophic impact. Then, magnetic survey data uncovered the iron- and magnesium-rich underground domes.

"The newfound impact zone under the Warburton Basin unseats the previously biggest-known impact crater, Vredefort crater in South Africa, which was originally more than 185 miles (300 km) across. Vredefort still reigns as the oldest impact crater ever found on Earth; it was carved out 2.02 billion years ago, scientists estimate." (http://www.livescience.com/50227-biggest-asteroid-impact-zone-found-under-australia.html)

I have seen pictures of striated quartz caused by asteroid impact. These pictures of rock turned into striated glass are fantastic. Planets are made by accretion, so there may be many such impact sites, but we just don't know where they are when they are far underground. Agape

INCOMING EMAIL, RE: 144,000

{144,000 ISRAELITE "SERVANTS OF OUR GOD" WILL BE CAUGHT UP TO HEAVEN THAT DAY}

What day are you talking about, they will be caught up?

MY REPLY

The Day of God's Wrath.

FIRST, THERE IS THE MID-TRIB RAPTURE OF THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

Rev_17:14 says, "These (i.e., the ten kings) shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful."

THEN THERE IS THE DAY OF GOD'S WRATH RAPTURE AT THE END OF THE GREAT TRIBULATION THAT IS TO BE SHORTENED

It will be the day of God's Wrath, which is the great and terrible Day of the Lord. It is the day the Sign of the Son of Man is seen in the sky and the day Jesus becomes KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS over his millennial kingdom.

Rev_19:16 says, "And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS."

Rev 6:12-17 says, "And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; 13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. 14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. 15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; 16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: 17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?"

Rev 7:4 says, "And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel."

Rev 7:14-17 says, "And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them. 16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat. 17 For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes." Agape

INCOMING EMAIL, RE: 144,000

If the 144,000 are caught up to heaven after the tribulations, Then who will teach the nations during the millennial reign with Christ? How can a person be saved without a preacher? People cannot learn about the Lord unless they are taught by someone or the Holy Spirit, and the nations will not have the Holy Spirit to teach them. Therefore Someone will have to fulfill the prophecy of Zechariah 14:16

MY REPLY

> > If the 144,000 are caught up to heaven after the tribulations, Then who will teach the nations during the millennial reign with Christ? How can a person be saved without a preacher? People cannot learn about the Lord unless they are taught by someone or the Holy Spirit, and the nations will not have the Holy Spirit to teach them. Therefore Someone will have to fulfill the prophecy of Zechariah 14:16

It may be a combination effort. Preachers will probably be raised up on Earth. The Holy Spirit is omnipresent. Besides this, we shall reign as kings and priests.

Isa 30:20,21 says, "And though the Lord give you the bread of adversity, and the water of affliction, yet shall not thy teachers be removed into a corner any more, but thine eyes shall see thy teachers: 21 And thine ears shall hear a word behind thee, saying, This is the way, walk ye in it, when ye turn to the right hand, and when ye turn to the left."

Rev 5:9,10 says, "And they (i.e., the saints of the first Rapture) sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; 10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on (epi, on or over) the earth."

Rev 14:6,7 says, "And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, 7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters."

Rev 20:6 says, "Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years."

Rev 21:9,10 says, "Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife. 10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God".

We will be living in New Jerusalem. A sphere having equal length, width and breadth, it will come down and orbit Earth like the Moon. Travel back and forth to Earth will be possible.

Rev 21:24 says, "And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it."

Zec 14:16-19 says, "And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles. 17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain. 18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles. 19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles." Agape

INCOMING EMAIL, RE: WHEN DOES JUBILEE YEAR START?

Has everyone "missed" something that should be easily understood from Lev. 25 on HOW to count the years to the Jubilee.........and WHEN the Jubilee year STARTS?

Lev 25:8
And thou shalt number seven sabbaths of years unto thee, seven times seven years; and the space of the seven sabbaths of years shall be unto thee forty and nine years.

Then shalt thou cause the trumpet of the jubile to sound on the tenth day of the seventh month, in the day of atonement shall ye make the trumpet sound throughout all your land.

Lev 25:10
And ye shall hallow the fiftieth year, and proclaim liberty throughout all the land unto all the inhabitants thereof: it shall be a jubile unto you; and ye shall return every man unto his possession, and ye shall return every man unto his family.

From the above verses it is obvious:

1) The "way" the years are being Counted is being Started in Nisan. Why? Duh? We know Atonement is Tishri 10 and the above verses clearly say that Atonement is counted as being in the 7th MONTH......not the First Month!

These Scriptures do NOT say to 'sound the trumpet on Atonement in the First month..........but the 7th Month!!! This PROVES the start of the years in question is Nisan........just as is the case in Lev. 23 with the Holy Days!

2) The verses say to "count" 49 years. Then (in that 49th year!) in the 7th month on Atonement to Sound the Trumpet. Notice it did NOT say the Jubilee started on Atonement..........it said to SOUND the Trumpet..........for what purpose?..........to ANNOUNCE THE COMING OF THE JUBILEE IN THE 50TH YEAR!

3) Thus the sounding of the Trumpet is in the 7th month of the 49th year on Atonement...........and the purpose is to ANNOUNCE the coming YEAR of Jubilee .........which is the 50th year.

4) The years, again, are being measured as starting in Nisan. So the count is to the 49th year, the 7th month, on Atonement..........then the Trumpet is sounded Announcing that the 50th year.........coming the following Nisan would be the year of Jubilee.

5) The above instructions are clear! You are to count off 49 years...........THEN.........in that 49th year on Atonement you are to sound the Trumpet in the 7th month of that 49th year. That verse does not say the Jubilee Starts with the sounding of the Trumpet! It says the sounding of the Trumpet is to ANNOUNCE that the coming 50th year, starting in Nisan, is to be observed as the Jubilee year.

HOW HAS THIS BEEN MISSED? By "tradition"? You can't just "say"........."well the Jews counted these type of years from Tishri". That "might" be true for some types of issues...........but NOT THIS ONE FOR WHICH INSTRUCTIONS ARE GIVEN SPECIFICALLY.

Yes, I invite a response, pro or con. But I ask that you stick to the above scriptures and not 'outside' sources.

If I have "missed" something I want to know!

If the above scriptures can be interpreted any other way than shown...........then show me.

No sarcasm intended...........but clearly I am frustrated with the fact that apparently nobody has "seen" this. I do believe Marilyn Agee agrees with what I have said.

By the way, in the gospels, when Jesus gave His first Sermon, it very likely was on the day of Atonement because he used verses from Isaiah that are connected to ANNOUNCING THE COMING JUBILEE. The verses that He quoted are those that are customarily spoken on Atonement!

Jesus did not say the 'Jubilee was here', but instead said 'I am her to Announce the coming of the Jubilee'. He knew of course when the Jubilee started......the coming Nisan.

Luk 4:17
And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written, Tools specific to Luk 4:18

Luk 4:18
The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach(Greek literal says to Announce!) the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, Tools specific to Luk 4:19

Luk 4:19
To preach the acceptable year of the Lord. (Greek word for 'preach' is Strongs #2784 means literally:
to be a herald, to officiate as a herald to proclaim after the manner of a herald)

Jesus was fulfilling the Announcement of the Coming Year of Jubilee...........while preaching on the Day of Atonement. He was in effect ANNOUNCING, 'blowing the trumpet', for the coming Jubilee year! dp

MY REPLY

> > 2) The verses say to "count" 49 years. Then (in that 49th year!) in the 7th month on Atonement to Sound the Trumpet. Notice it did NOT say the Jubilee started on Atonement..........it said to SOUND the Trumpet..........for what purpose?..........to ANNOUNCE THE COMING OF THE JUBILEE IN THE 50TH YEAR!

> > 3) Thus the sounding of the Trumpet is in the 7th month of the 49th year on Atonement...........and the purpose is to ANNOUNCE the coming YEAR of Jubilee .........which is the 50th year.

> > 4) The years, again, are being measured as starting in Nisan. So the count is to the 49th year, the 7th month, on Atonement..........then the Trumpet is sounded Announcing that the 50th year.........coming the following Nisan would be the year of Jubilee.

That's right. Thanks for making it so clear. Good thinking. Agape

THE BIBLE INDICATES THAT SATURN IS HEAVEN

TEMPLE MOUNT CONTOURS


Job_26:11 "The pillars (ammud, columns, platforms) of heaven tremble and are astonished at his reproof."

24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, BUT INTO HEAVEN ITSELF, now to appear in the presence of God for us: 25 Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others; 26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself. 27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: 28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation."

HEAVEN ITSELF IS THE ONLY NAKED-EYE PLANET THAT HAS A RING AROUND IT THAT LOOKS LIKE A RAINBOW

Eze 1:1 says, "I saw visions of God."

Eze 1:26-28 says, "And above the firmament that was over their heads was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone: and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man (i.e., the only God/Man, Jesus) above upon it. 27 And I saw as the colour of amber, as the appearance of fire round about within it, from the appearance of his loins even upward, and from the appearance of his loins even downward, I saw as it were the appearance of fire, and it had brightness round about. 28 As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain, so was the appearance of the brightness round about. This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the LORD."

HEAVEN IS THE ONLY NAKED-EYE PLANET THAT HAS THE THRONE OF GOD ON IT

Rev 4:1 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter. Rev 4:2 And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne. Rev 4:3 And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald."

SCRIPTURES GIVING US FACTS ABOUT HEAVEN

Gen_1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven (shamayim, the higher ether where the celestial bodies revolve) and the earth."

Gen_1:8 And God called the firmament (shamayim, the higher ether where the celestial bodies revolve) Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

Gen_1:9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.

"LIGHTS IN THE FIRMAMENT OF THE HEAVEN" AND "FOWL THAT MAY FLY ABOVE THE EARTH IN THE OPEN FIRMAMENT OF HEAVEN."

Gen_1:14,15 says, "And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: 15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so."

Gen_1:17 says, "And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth".

Gen_1:20 says, "And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven."

Gen_6:17 And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, FROM UNDER HEAVEN; and every thing that is in the earth shall die.

Gen_7:19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under THE WHOLE HEAVEN, were covered."

Gen_26:4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as THE STARS OF HEAVEN, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;

Gen_28:12 And he dreamed, and behold a ladder set up on the earth, and the top of it reached to heaven: and behold the angels of God ascending and descending on it.

Gen_28:17 And he was afraid, and said, How dreadful is this place! this is none other but the house of God, and this is the gate of heaven.

Exo_9:8 And the LORD said unto Moses and unto Aaron, Take to you handfuls of ashes of the furnace, and let Moses sprinkle it toward THE HEAVEN in the sight of Pharaoh.

"THEY SAW THE GOD OF ISRAEL"

Exo 24:9,10 says, "Then went up Moses, and Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel: 10 And THEY SAW THE GOD OF ISRAEL: AND THERE WAS UNDER HIS FEET AS IT WERE A PAVED (LIBNAH, WHITENESS) WORK OF A SAPPHIRE STONE (sappiyr, sapphire), AND AS IT WERE THE BODY OF HEAVEN IN HIS CLEARNESS."

Lev_26:19 And I will break the pride of your power; and I will make your heaven as iron, and your earth as brass" (i.e., bronze, brass wasn't used until the 13th century).

Deu_28:12 The LORD shall open unto thee his good treasure, the heaven to give the rain unto thy land in HIS SEASON".

1Ki_8:27 But will God indeed dwell on the earth? behold, the heaven and heaven of heavens cannot contain thee; how much less this house that I have builded?

2Ki_19:15 And Hezekiah prayed before the LORD, and said, O LORD God of Israel, which dwellest between the cherubims, thou art the God, even thou alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth; thou hast made heaven and earth.

2Ch_2:6 But who is able to build him an house, seeing the heaven (i.e., Saturn) and heaven (i.e., Saturn) of heavens (i.e., Mars, Jupiter and Saturn) cannot contain him? who am I then, that I should build him an house, save only to burn sacrifice before him?

2Ch_6:14 And said, O LORD God of Israel, there is no God like thee in the heaven, nor in the earth; which keepest covenant, and shewest mercy unto thy servants, that walk before thee with all their hearts:

2Ch_6:18 But will God in very deed dwell with men on the earth? behold, heaven and the heaven of heavens cannot contain thee; how much less this house which I have built!

Neh_9:6 Thou, even thou, art LORD alone; thou hast made heaven, the heaven of heavens, with all their host, the earth, and all things that are therein, the seas, and all that is therein, and thou preservest them all; and the host of heaven worshippeth thee.

Neh_9:13 Thou camest down also upon mount Sinai, and spakest with them from heaven, and gavest them right judgments, and true laws, good statutes and commandments:

Job_22:14 Thick clouds are a covering to him, that he seeth not; and he walketh in the circuit of heaven.

Job_26:11 The pillars (ammud, column, platform) of heaven tremble and are astonished at his reproof.

Job_28:24 For he looketh to the ends of the earth, and seeth under the whole heaven;

Psa_11:4 The LORD is in his holy temple, the LORD'S throne is in heaven: his eyes behold, his eyelids try, the children of men."

Psa_115:16 The heaven, even the heavens, are the LORD'S: but the earth hath he given to the children of men.

Psa_148:13 Let them praise the name of the LORD: for his name alone is excellent; his glory is above the earth and heaven.

Eze 1:1 Now it came to pass in the thirtieth year, in the fourth month, in the fifth day of the month, as I was among the captives by the river of Chebar, that the heavens were opened, and I saw visions of God.

Eze 1:26-28 says, "And above the firmament that was over their heads was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone: and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man above upon it. 27 And I saw as the colour of amber, as the appearance of fire round about within it, from the appearance of his loins even upward, and from the appearance of his loins even downward, I saw as it were the appearance of fire, and it had brightness round about. 28 As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain, so was the appearance of the brightness round about. This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the LORD."

Mat_5:34 But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne:

Mat_6:20 But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:

Mat_24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Mat_25:1 Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.

Luk_24:51 And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he was parted from them, and carried up into heaven.

Act_1:11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

Act_7:49 Heaven is my throne, and earth is my footstool: what house will ye build me? saith the Lord: or what is the place of my rest?

Act 10:11 And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending unto him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth: Act 10:12 Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.

2Co_12:2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven.

Rev 14:16-19 says, "And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped. 17 And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle. 18 And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe. 19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.

Rev_15:5 And after that I looked, and, behold, the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened:

Rev_18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

THE HEAVEN

Gen_8:2 The fountains also of the deep and the windows of heaven were stopped, and the rain from heaven was restrained".

Gen_15:5 And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be.

Gen 24:7 The LORD God of heaven, which took me from my father's house, and from the land of my kindred, and which spake unto me, and that sware unto me, saying, Unto thy seed will I give this land; he shall send his angel before thee, and thou shalt take a wife unto my son from thence."

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