Pro and Con 1851

Posted 4-1-15

A RED PANDA, GOD LIKES TO SURPRISE US SOMETIMES

IT LOOKS LIKE THE FIRST-TRUMP RAPTURE WILL TAKE PLACE
AFTER 42 MONTHS OF THE TRIBULATION HAVE PASSED

Rev 13:5,6 says, "And there was given unto him (i.e., Antichrist) a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months (i.e., until Mid-Trib). 6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and THEM THAT DWELL IN HEAVEN."

The Mid-Trib Rapture of I Thess. 4:16,17 is for the children of the day. The Pre-Wrath Rapture of I Cor. 15:51-54 is for the children of the night. At that time all the saints will become immortal.

THE FIRST HALF OF THE TRIBULATION IS CALLED "DAY", THE LAST HALF "NIGHT", AND "WE ARE NOT OF THE NIGHT"

1Th 5:1-9 says, "But of the times and the seasons, brethren (i.e., believers), ye have no need that I write unto you. 2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. 3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. 4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. 5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. 6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober. 7 For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night. 8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation (soteria, rescue). 9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ".

INCOMING EMAIL, RE: MANY thanks!

Just expressing my sincere thanks to you for all your many years of intense Bible & Biblical-related-subject research, which you so generously & graciously share with your readers. You prove the Scriptures to be alive & pregnant with meaning. (Although, even a "labor of love" can become exhausting, at times.) Anyway, I expect to "look you up," sometime after the rapture does occur. Won't it be exciting to have eternity with Jesus/God and loved ones & to be immersed forever in the "Joy of the Lord!" YSIC

MY REPLY

Thanks much. It is so nice to be appreciated....Agape

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It is my belief the 144,00 will teach the nations during the millennial reign with Christ.

MY REPLY

They may, but that doesn't mean that they won't get caught up in the Last-Trump Rapture of I Cor. 15:51-54 first. All saints caught up in the two Raptures will have to be in this group to become immortal.

1Co 15:51-54 says, "Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory."

Rev 7:13-17 says, "And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? (i.e., they are the ones caught up in the Last-Trump Rapture) and whence came they? (i.e., from Earth) 14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them. 16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat. 17 For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes."

THE 144,000 WILL BE "REDEEMED FROM THE EARTH" THEN RETURN WITH CHRIST AT THE SECOND ADVENT

Rev 14:1-3 says, "And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads. 2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps: 3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth."

> > In the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Thus the Lord my God will come, And all the saints with You. After the wrath of God is finished the 144,000 will come out of hiding and teach the nations of the earth, every family on earth will have to go up and keep the feast of tabernacle.

Zec_14:5 says, "the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee."

The 144,000 Israelites will will be caught up in the Last-Trump Rapture, and later return with Christ at the Second Advent. Agape

A POST ON FIVE DOVES, RE: SIGNS

14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years".

I'm hoping for the Rapture April 2, Nisan 13, anniversary of the Crucifixion on Nisan 13, 3790. If so, it will be in the center of the tetrad.

Gill's Exposition: "on the day of atonement, he suffered without the gate; that is, of Jerusalem: the Syriac version reads, "without the city"
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"More literally Jesus suffered and died outside the camp for the purpose of making the people holy or set apart. The phrase "outside the city gate" describes the location of Jesus' crucifixion.
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" Golgotha-an Aramaic word meaning "the skull."
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NOT IN THE CITY:
Joh 19:20 This title then read many of the Jews: for the place where Jesus was crucified was nigh to the city:

IN A GARDEN
As for the tomb or sepulcher, we're told only that it was in a garden near the place of crucifixion (John 19:41).

Joh 19:41 Now in the place where he was crucified there was a garden (i.e., maybe Garden of Gethsemane; and in the garden a new sepulchre, wherein was never man yet laid. Joh 19:42 There laid they Jesus therefore because of the Jews' preparation day; for the sepulchre was nigh at hand.

sepulchres were carved out of the chalk of the Mt. of Olives

Church of the Holy Sepulchre is in the Christian quarter of the city.

JESUS CHRIST SUFFERED OUTSIDE THE GATE.

Mark: And they brought him to the place called Gol'gotha (which means the place of a skull).[6]

Matthew: And when they came to a place called Gol'gotha (which means the place of a skull).[7]

Mark 15:22 And they brought him to the place called Gol'gotha (which means the place of a skull).

Luke 23:33: And when they came to the place which is called The Skull, there they crucified him, and the criminals, one on the right and one on the left.[8]

John 19:17: So they took Jesus, and he went out, bearing his own cross, to the place called the place of a skull, which is called in Hebrew Gol'gotha.[9]

Jer 31:38-40 says, "Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that the city shall be built to the LORD from the tower of Hananeel unto the gate of the corner. 39 And the measuring line shall yet go forth over against it upon the hill Gareb, and shall compass about to Goath. 40 And the whole valley of the dead bodies, and of the ashes, and all the fields unto the brook of Kidron, unto the corner of the horse gate toward the east, shall be holy unto the LORD; it shall not be plucked up, nor thrown down any more for ever."

Six graves from the first century were found on the area of the Church of the Holy Sepulchre.

Church of the Holy Sepulchre had been a Meleke limestone quarry.

Picture: priest sprinkling blood of red heifer: "His view went directly over Golgotha"

"Temple veil, earthquake and resurrection of dead saints

*** "The synoptic gospels state that the veil of the temple was torn from top to bottom. According to Josephus, the curtain in Herod's temple would have been nearly 60 feet (18 m) high and 4 inches (100 mm) thick.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crucifixion_of_Jesus#Path_to_the_crucifixion

Where Was Jesus Crucified?

We find the answer in Scripture. This information is recorded in all four of the gospels. However, three of the gospels use one Greek word and one gospel uses another.

"And when they were come unto a place called Golgotha, that is to say, a place of a skull" (Matthew 27:33).

"And they bring him unto the place Golgotha, which is, being interpreted, The place of a skull" (Mark 15:22).

"And he bearing his cross went forth into a place called the place of a skull, which is called in the Hebrew Golgotha" (John 19:17).

In these three gospels the Greek word "Golgotha" is used and it means as we read in Matthew "a place of a skull." The Hebrew and the Greek word were the same and therefore it was a commonly known name.

Luke uses the Greek word "Calvary" rather than Golgotha. "And when they were come to the place, which is called Calvary, there they crucified him, and the malefactors, one on the right hand, and the other on the left" (Luke 23:33). This word in Greek means cranium, or skull and all four gospels identify this spot outside of the gates of Jerusalem as the place where Jesus was placed on a cross. Therefore, the place where Jesus was crucified was a knoll or hill on the outskirts of Jerusalem that was made up of rock shaped like a man's skull and both the Romans and the Jews knew this place by the same name. - See more at: http://www.allaboutjesuschrist.org/where-was-jesus-crucified-faq.htm#sthash.raZHCOu4.dpuf

SITE OF THE CRUCIFIXION

There is disagreement on whether Jesus was crucified on the Mt. of Olives, or in the location of the Holy Sepulcher Church in Jerusalem. To me, the miraculous appearance of the Holy Fire on every day before Easter seemed to point to the Holy Sepulcher Church. I thought that the tomb under the rotunda was actually the tomb of Jesus until now.

However, Mat 27:50-54 says, "Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost. 51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent; 52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, 53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many."

Then they were not already in the holy city.

The Christian graves were on the Mt. of Olives. They were mostly chalk, easy to carve. Any graves carved ahead of time would have been on the Mt. of Olives.

Mark 15:22 says, "And they bring him unto the place Golgotha, which is, being interpreted, The place of a skull."

This too sounds like the area where the graves carved in chalk were. Where would the "place of a skull" be but in the graveyard?

Mar 15:37-39 says, "Jesus cried with a loud voice, and gave up the ghost. 38 And the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom. 39 And when the centurion, which stood over against him, saw that he so cried out, and gave up the ghost, he said, Truly this man was the Son of God."

Mar 15:46 says, "And he (Joseph of Arimathaea) bought fine linen, and took him down, and wrapped him in the linen, and laid him in a sepulchre which was hewn out of a rock, and rolled a stone unto the door of the sepulchre."

A pre-carved sepulchre would have been on the Mt. of Olives.

Going back to Hebrews 13:10-13, we read again: "We have our own ALTAR FROM WHICH THOSE WHO SERVE THE TABERNACLE [TEMPLE] HAVE NO RIGHT TO EAT. The bodies of the animals whose blood is brought into the sanctuary by the high priest for the atonement of sin are burned outside the camp, and SO JESUS TOO SUFFERED OUTSIDE THE GATE to sanctify the people with his own blood. Let us go to him, then, OUTSIDE THE CAMP, and share his degradation."

It seems that those who were gathered around the Messiah as he hung on the cross SAW THE CURTAIN TEAR at the time of his death.

THE ONLY PLACE "OUTSIDE THE CAMP" FROM WHICH THE TEMPLE CURTAIN COULD BE SEEN THROUGH THE NIKANOR GATE, WAS FROM THE MOUNT OF OLIVES!

Why? Because the Temple was aligned in an east-west direction, with the HUGE curtain (80 feet tall and 24 feet in breadth) hanging in the EASTERN portal of the inner Temple, NOT THE WESTERN.

The crucifixion had to have taken place NEAR THE SUMMIT of the Mount of Olives because this was the ONLY AREA from which the curtain of the Temple could be seen, and where the "camp" ended just shy of 3,000 feet from the Court of the Sanhedrin on the Temple Mount.

It seems clear that those who were gathered around the Messiah as he hung on the tree SAW THE CURTAIN TEAR at the time of his death.

THE ONLY PLACE "OUTSIDE THE CAMP" FROM WHICH THE TEMPLE CURTAIN COULD BE SEEN WAS THE MIPHKAD ALTAR ON THE MOUNT OF OLIVES!

That seems to be why the scapegoat was sent into the wilderness.

INCOMING EMAIL, RE: Marilyn Agee "Possible Rapture Dates

Thank you for your comments, your posts, your books, and for taking my call so many years ago, to forward me a copy of your then unpublished second book.

I just wanted to ask if Ed visited you on April 2nd, 2012, Nisan 9/10, was it after midnight Palm Sunday? Is it possible that Nisan 9/10 is the day you might be seeing him again?

Nisan 9/10, 2015 is Palm Sunday, Sunday, March 29, 2015? Might he have been indicating a day on a different calendar than ours?

The night of Palm Sunday? I know it's only three days but I'm just wondering out loud?

> > Thu, 2 April 2015 = 13th of Nisan, 5775, Crucifixion Anniversary. Ed visited me in his celestial body Apr. 2, 2012, probably indicating that we would be reunited April 2, so I am expecting the First-Trump Rapture Thu, 2 April 2015

I fully expect Jesus triumphal return to establish His kingdom on the Feast of Trumpets, fulfilling the 3 fall feasts, but the rapture is a mystery. We have been given so many clues.

I think I'll be up watching Palm Sunday?

We shall soon see. Luke 21:36. God Bless

MY REPLY

I didn't look at the clock, but the Sun was up. There was natural light in the room, but I usually turn on the lamp as I come in anyway. I could see him well, and he looked very normal except that he was 33 instead of 87. I recognized him the second I saw him, and was shocked when he walked through the end of the dresser and the wall.

I had just propped myself up on the bed to watch TV, but hadn't turned it on yet.

April 2, 2012 = Mon. Nisan 10, 5772, day Jesus cursed the fig tree in 30 AD.

March 29 is Ed's birthday. He didn't mention the date or calendar. He just answered my question about his age with "33," and the rest of my questions with "Yes" and left. Agape

INCOMING EMAIL, RE: God's judgment

It is difficult for those of us who are now living in the age of grace to believe that God will judge us, but that is what the Shemitah is all about. Jesus refers to a time as of in the time of Noe and Lot that will come upon us suddenly.

So to those who think a pre-tribulation rapture is going to remove us from the earth before that happens, let me refer you to some other words of Jesus that seem to have been ignored. Matthew 24:22-after the great tribulations begin "those days will be shortened for the sake of the elect".

Now, does that not tell us that even the "elect" of God will experience at least the beginning of the great-tribulation period? For further reflection, does this not indicate that there will be a significant difference between the "elect" and those who have not found the "narrow" way?

I suggest that there is a very significant difference between people who believe about Jesus and those who believe "in" Jesus. You must be born-again by the Holy Spirit of God to believe "in" Jesus. Jesus said, you must be born-again in order to enter into the Kingdom of God.

MY REPLY

> > So to those who think a pre-tribulation rapture is going to remove us from the earth before that happens, let me refer you to some other words of Jesus that seem to have been ignored. Matthew 24:22-after the great tribulations begin "those days will be shortened for the sake of the elect".

However, Pro_10:27 says, "The fear of the LORD prolongeth days: but the years of the wicked shall be shortened."

Mar_13:20 says, "And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days."

CONSIDER THIS: BOTH THE WISE AND FOOLISH VIRGINS ARE BELIEVERS THAT WILL END UP IN THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN

Mat 25:1 Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom. 2 And five of them were wise, and five were foolish. 3 They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them: 4 But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps. 5 While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept. 6 And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him. 7 Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps. 8 And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out. 9 But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves. 10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut. 11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us. 12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not."

HERE IS WHAT I THINK

There are two Raptures, one at Mid-Trib (I Thess 4;16,17), one after the Great Trib (I Cor 15:51-54). The wise virgins go up Mid-Trib (Rev. 12:12). They do not have to wash their robes in the blood of Christ at that point. They already have. The foolish go up on the Day of God's Wrath (Rev. 6:17; 7:9-14).

THE FIRST RAPTURE COMES OUT OF THE TRIBULATION MID-TRIB

Rev 12:12 says, "Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them.

Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time" (i.e., the Great Tribulation).

THE LAST RAPTURE COMES OUT OF THE GREAT TRIBULATION

Rev 6:17 says, "For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand? (i.e., no one).

Rev 7:9-14 says, "After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; 10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb. 11 And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God, 12 Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen. 13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? 14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb."

Therefore, I think the wise virgins are caught up in the Mid-Trib Rapture, and the foolish virgins are caught up in the End-Trib Rapture. Agape

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We Finally Know How Long A Day Lasts On Saturn

"Figuring out the daily grind." By Loren Grush Posted March 27, 2015 (http://www.popsci.com/we-finally-know-how-long-day-lasts-saturn)

"Ten hours, 32 minutes, and 44 seconds....Saturn's magnetic poles align with its rotational axis, making the revolutions of its magnetic field tricky to measure.

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