Pro and Con 1853

Posted 4-8-15

GOD IS IN CONTROL

"SHROUD OF TURIN NAMES THE CRUCIFIED MAN"

From: Prophecy in the News
Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2015 8:22 AM
To: mjagee@verizon.net
Subject: PITN: AMAZING DISCOVERIES...from the archives of J.R. Church

"Dr. Alan Whanger, of Duke University, developing a special technique using polarized lenses to study the shroud, has found the Greek letters for "Nazareth" apparently photographed into the fibers of the cloth!

"The letters appear to be from the title board that was placed above Jesus' head on the cross. The Latin term for this board is "titulus." It seems that the sign was laid beside the left leg of our Savior at burial, and was under the shroud at the time the image was formed on the fibers of the shroud."...

"Helena, mother of Constantine the Great, went to Jerusalem in the early fourth century to search for the Holy places. She reportedly found the tomb with objects in it, including the titulus with the words, 'Jesus of Nazareth King of the Jews' in three languages - Hebrew, Greek and Latin. She divided the board, sending one to Constantinople, and taking the other to Rome where it presently resides in the 'Basilica of the Holy Cross in Jerusalem.' "

"The wooden fragment is kept in a silver chest. It measures approximately 5.2 inches high by 9.2 inches wide. Its letters are gouged into the wood by some sort of stylus, and then filled with a still-discernible red paint. Amazingly, Dr. Whanger found that its letters match those found on the shroud. Now we know! The 'crucified man' has been identified!"

MY THOUGHTS

This goes along with the coins minted in 29 AD that were placed over the eyes.

"After having distinguished what seemed to be four letters "UCAI" near the arch of the man of the Shroud's eyebrows, Filas and the Italian numismatics expert Mario Moroni identified these as part of the inscription of a lepton coin minted in 29 AD during Pontius Pilate's governorshup of Judaea." (https://www.shroud.com/lombatti.htm)

THURSDAY, "THE DAY OF THE PREPARATION", WAS THE DAY OF THE CRUCIFIXION

Mat 27:62,63 says, "Now the next day, that followed the day of the preparation, the chief priests and Pharisees came together unto Pilate, 63 Saying, Sir, we remember that that deceiver said, while he was yet alive, After three days I will rise again."

Mar_15:42 And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation, that is, the day before the sabbath" (i.e., the day before the high day sabbath, the annual sabbath, Passover).

Luk_23:54 And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on."

Luk 24:7: "Saying, The Son of man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again."

Friday, Day 1
Saturday, Day 2
Sunday, Day 3, rise again

John 12:1 says, "Jesus six days before the passover came to Bethany."

Joh_12:2 says, "There they made him a supper".

1. Saturday, Nisan 8, Jesus arrived in Bethany near the beginning of the day at 6 PM.
2. Sunday, Nisan 9, Palm Sunday, Jesus rode the donkey into Jerusalem
3. Monday, Nisan 10, lamb selected (Ex. 12:3), fig tree (Israel) cursed
(Jos 4:19 And the people came up out of Jordan on the tenth day of the first month, and encamped in Gilgal, in the east border of Jericho.")
4. Tuesday, Nisan 11, fig tree dried up, Olivet Discourse given
5. Wednesday, Nisan 12, anointed for burial
6. Thursday, Nisan 13, 3790, April 6, 30 AD, Preparation of the Passover (John 19:14), Last Supper, Crucifixion
7. Friday, Passover Sabbath, Nisan 14, April 7
8. Saturday, Unleavened Bread Sabbath, Nisan 15, April 8
9. Sunday, Firstfruits Sabbath, Nisan 16, April 9, Resurrection

Joh_13:1 says, "Now BEFORE THE FEAST OF THE PASSOVER (i.e., on Nisan 13, the PREPARATION OF THE PASSOVER), when Jesus knew that HIS HOUR WAS COME (i.e., Nisan 13) that he should depart out of this world unto the Father, having loved his own which were in the world, he loved them unto the end."

Joh_18:28 says, "Then led they Jesus from Caiaphas unto the hall of judgment: and it was early; and they themselves went not into the judgment hall, lest they should be defiled; but that they might eat the PASSOVER."

The Crucifixion was Nisan 13, before the Passover. It was on the Preparation for the Passover.

Joh 19:14-16 says, "And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King! 15 But they cried out, Away with him, away with him, crucify him. Pilate saith unto them, Shall I crucify your King? The chief priests answered, We have no king but Caesar. 16 Then delivered he him therefore unto them to be crucified."

Joh_19:31 says, "The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away."

Joh_19:42 says, "There laid they Jesus therefore because of the Jews' preparation day; for the sepulchre was nigh at hand."

Mat 12:39-40 says, "An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth."

Thursday, Day 1
Friday, Night 1 and Day 2
Saturday, Night 2 and Day 3
Sunday, Night 3

Luk 24:20,21 says, "And how the chief priests and our rulers delivered him to be condemned to death, and have crucified him. 21 But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done."

Thursday, Crucifixion
Friday, Passover, first day since
Saturday, Unleavened Bread, second day since
Sunday, Firstfruits, Resurrection, third day since

CRUCIFIXION DAY

Joh 19:14,15 says, "IT WAS THE PREPARATION OF THE PASSOVER, and about the sixth hour (Roman time, 9 AM): and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King! 15 But they cried out, Away with him, away with him, crucify him."

Joh_19:31 says, "The Jews therefore, because IT WAS THE PREPARATION, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day [i.e., PASSOVER],) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away."

Joh_19:42 says, "There laid they Jesus therefore because of the Jews' PREPARATION day; for the sepulchre was nigh at hand. "

Mat 27:62-64 says, "Now the next day (PASSOVER, Nisan 14), that followed the day of the PREPARATION (Nisan 13), the chief priests and Pharisees came together unto Pilate, 63 Saying, Sir, we remember that that deceiver said, while he was yet alive, After three days I will rise again. 64 Command therefore that the sepulchre be made sure until the third day, lest his disciples come by night, and steal him away, and say unto the people, He is risen from the dead: so the last error shall be worse than the first."

Jesus was crucified on Thursday. The three days after that were Friday, Saturday and Sunday.

If we say that Jesus was crucified on Friday, the three days would be Saturday, Sunday and Monday. That won't work.

Mat 28:1 says, "In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week (Sunday), came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre."

The Greek for sabbath is plural in Mat 28:1. It is actually saying, "In the end of the sabbaths", i.e., Sunday, after the Friday and Saturday Sabbaths.

Everything fits a Thursday Crucifixion.

INCOMING EMAIL, RE: The Body of Christ or Bride of Christ

Just reading through your article the first time, so clear to me for years that the Bride and the Church are not one and the same. Same scriptures took hold of me as you have used. Looked up many opinions of these scriptures and the opinions contradict other scriptures. I've told others of my thoughts and have some reception but mostly rejection. I was starting to put together the scriptures for my wife (who is newly saved) and happened upon your writings. The only mistake I have found thus far is in spelling and it is very easy to see "And in the Holy of Holes only the High Priest of the House of Levy could minister.". I thank God for your writing and thank God that you are warning other Christians not to take "our" salvation for granted. I always thought that all people that fought pre, mid, pre-wrath or post trib had their points but they were missing the whole picture. Thank you for piecing together the scriptures in a very readable manner, in a way I have never been able to do, and warn the saints to watch and stay ready (prayed up) and stay filled with the Holy Spirit. Regards in Christ

MY REPLY

Thanks for letting me know. It is nice to be appreciated. I work hard. Agape

MY REPLY TO AN EMAIL (OMITTED BECAUSE OF THE LENGTH)

We differ on some points. Here are some things for your consideration.

> > "Second Coming of CHRIST on Yom Kippur 2015"

To me, Christ will come as the latter rain comes to Israel, "in the first month", i.e., he was conceived on Kislev 24 (Haggai, 2:18,19), born on Tishri 1 at his first advent and will come on Nisan 1 at his second advent.

Hos 6:3 says, "...the LORD: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth."

The former rain comes on Tishri 1, and the latter rain comes on Nisan 1.

Deu_11:14 keeps us from getting them reversed. It says, "I will give you the rain of your land in his due season, the first (yoreh, sprinkling, autumnal showers) rain and the latter rain (malqosh, spring rain), that thou mayest gather in thy corn, and thy wine, and thine oil."

Joe_2:23 Be glad then, ye children of Zion, and rejoice in the LORD your God: for he hath given you the former rain moderately, and he will cause to come down for you the rain, the former rain (moreh, teacher, early rain), and the latter rain (malqosh, spring rain) in the first month" (i.e., on Tishri 1 and Nisan 1).

Jas_5:7 Be patient therefore, brethren, unto the coming of the Lord. Behold, the husbandman waiteth for the precious fruit of the earth, and hath long patience for it, until he receive the early (proimos, autumnal showering, first of the rainy season, early) and latter (opsimos, latter, vernal, spring, showering) rain."

> > Some believe the Mega Quake/Tsunami will happen on the Day of the rapture of the Bride per the story of Noah on Rosh Hashanah 9/13 /15 ( Tishri 1, 5776 on the 7th sacred Hebrew calendar month which begins the 71st Jubilee year.)

Gen 7:11 says, "In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened."

In those days, the date would have been Cheshvan 17. It was before Exo_12:2's, "This month (i.e., Nisan) shall be unto you the beginning of months: it shall be the first month of the year to you."

> > THE FEAST OF TRUMPETS falls on SUNDAY 9/13/15 and WILL BE HE (THE) DAY OF THE RAPTURE ( and there is only one ) AND THE ANNOUNCEMENT OF THE WRATH OF G'D ( JUDGMENT DAY ) FORTHCOMING DURING THE NINE (9) DAYS OF AWE ( Natural disasters in the Ring of Fire per Acts 2 with the sun and moon darkened from volcanic ash) CLIMAXING ON YOM KIPPUR 2015 WITH THE RETURN OF CHRIST AND SALVATION OF THE JEWS. "

On the Hebrew calendar in use today, the Feast of Trumpets will be Monday, 9/14/15. "Mon, 14 September 2015 = 1st of Tishrei, 5776" (http://www.hebcal.com/converter/?gd=13&gm=9&gy=2015&g2h=1)

To me, there are two Raptures, 1 Th 4:16,17 and I Cor 15:51-54. The Rapture in I Cor 15:51-54 is the "last trump". Therefore, the Rapture in 1 Th 4:16,17 is the first trump. Notice that at the first Rapture, no one actually becomes immortal. At the last Rapture, all saints caught up in both Raptures become immortal, Paul included.

1Th 4:15-17 says, "For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent (phthano, precede) them which are asleep. 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."

It doesn't mention us being changed or becoming immortal. That happens at the last trump.

1Co 15:51-54 says, "Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption (i.e., at either Rapture), and this mortal must put on immortality (i.e., only at the last Rapture). 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory."

> > The word "Apostacia" in 2 Thessalonians 2:3 means" falling away from Christ" and not rapture, and the man of sin to be revealed were the false Popes who were venerated as God at the Vatican which is the Temple.

To me, here is what 2Th 2:1-5 means:

2Th 2:1-5 says, "Now we beseech you, brethren (i.e., believers), by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him (i.e., at the First-Trump Rapture), 2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ (i.e., should be day of the Lord, see SVA) is at hand. 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away (DEPARTING, i.e., the First-Trump Rapture) first, and that man of sin be revealed (i.e., after the Rapture), the son of perdition (i.e., the False Prophet); 4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God (i.e., after the Mid-Trib Rapture). 5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?" (S = Sinaitic Codex, V = Vatican Codex, A = Alexandrine Codex, all older than the KJV)

2Th 2:3 in the Geneva Bible, which in its original edition is older than the KJV, says, "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a DEPARTING FIRST, that man of sin be disclosed, even the son of perdition." To me, the first departing is the First-Trump Rapture. After that, the 2nd son of perdition (Judas Iscariot was the 1st), the False prophet, will be disclosed.

> > There is no antichrist or Beast who will move to Israel to rule from the third rebuilt temple---Obama is a type of antichrist but not the Beast of Revelation which is figurative language. The two witnesses in Revelation are figurative language of Christ's 3.5 year ministry on earth and 3 days in the grave before rising from the dead To me, 2 Th 2:3,4 means what it says: "and that man of sin (i.e., the False Prophet) be revealed (i.e., after the Rapture), the son of perdition; 4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God (i.e., after the Mid-Trib Rapture)." Rev 13:5,6 means what it says too. It says, "And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months (i.e., until Mid-Trib). 6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and THEM THAT DWELL IN HEAVEN."

It is the Bride of Christ that dwells in Heaven Mid-Trib.

Rev 12:10-14 says, "And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now (i.e., Mid-Trib) is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. 11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. 12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time. 13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child. 14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time (i.e., 3.5 years), from the face of the serpent."

> > The Bride of Christ ( Elect in Matthew 24 ) both Dead and alive will be raptured on Rosh Hashanah 2015

Those caught up in the Last-Trump Rapture will be caught up on the Day of God's Wrath, Tishri 1.

> > I Thessalonians 5:4 says" those who are watching will know the rapture is on Rosh Hashanah 2015 and they shall NOT be in darkness."

1Th 5:1-5 (KJV) says, "But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. 2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. 3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. 4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. 5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness."

I think we will be caught up Mid-Trib, and those coming out of the Great Tribulation will be caught up on the great and terrible Day of the Lord, which is the Day of God's Wrath.

> > BIRTH OF CHRIST on ROSH HASHANAH ( Tishri 1 in the 7th Jewish Month in the fall ) in 5-4 AD is prophetic of the Rapture on Rosh Hashanah 2015

You did good on this one. To me, Jesus was born on Tishri 1 in 5 AD.

> > The 50th jubilee year begins on Yom Kippur 2015

To me, the Jubilee year begins on Nisan 1, the first month, not Tishri 10, the 7th month, when its coming is announced so they will not sow seed that can't be harvested in the spring.

> > Christ is the Temple today.

Joh_2:19 says, "Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up."

Joh_2:21 says, "But he spake of the temple of his body."

Later, he ascended. We are the Temple of the Holy Spirit today.

1Co_3:16 says, "Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?"

> > A third Solomon Temple has already been built in Brazil

They just patterned the exterior of their church to resemble the Temple.

> > Rosh Hashanah 2015 is the Day of the Rapture

It might be the day of the Last-Trump Rapture. If so, we will be caught up before that. Song of Solomon 2:10-15 sounds like it will be in the spring. Ascension Day, Thursday, May 14, would fit.

> > The Day of the Lord ... is when JESUS Feet land on the Mount of Olives in Jerusalem at the Second coming on Yom Kippur 2015 to rule for the millennium.

To me, the Second Coming on the first day of the first month, Nisan 1, 5776, Sat. April 9, 2016 makes more sense. That will be the anniversary of the Resurrection on April 9, 30 AD.

> > The normal gestation period of a human baby is 266 days 97% of the timeā€”but there are premature births and late births. The Julian calendar says it was 273 gestation days from Hanukkah for Jesus to be born on Rosh Hashanah 5 BC which was 7 days longer than normal be divine providence. The Second Coming on Yom Kippur would fall at the 282 day mark of 9/23/2015 from Kislev 24, 2014.

"The average length of human gestation is 280 days, or 40 weeks" https://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&aq=&oq=how+many+days+is+human&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4MXGB_enUS531US534&q=how+many+days+is+human+gestation&gs_l=hp..0.0l2j0i22i30l3.0.0.0.21655...........0.21zAGA9X4g8

> > most scholars think Jesus was born on Rosh Hashanah 9/4/ 5 BC ( fulfillment of Rosh Hashanah ) with CONCEPTION on HANUKKAH on 12/6/6 BC (Jesus had a 273 day gestation period per the Julian or Torah calendar). We "see through a glass darkly" per scripture, have learned eschatology by progressive revelation over many years --- the RAPTURE will come on a ROSH HASHANAH 9/13/2015 and the countdown began on the final day of Hanukkah in 2014. There are Nine ( 9) months from Hanukkah until Rosh Hashanah, 9 days of the Wrath of God ( Isaiah 24) after Rosh Hashanah which happens in the 9th month on the Gregorian calendar meaning judgment day.

I agree with 9/4/5 BC for the birth of Jesus. His conception was on Kislev 24.

Hag 2:18,19 says, "Consider now from this day and upward, from the four and twentieth day of the ninth month, even from the day that the foundation of the LORD'S temple was laid, consider it. 19 Is the seed (i.e., Jesus, Gen. 3:15) yet in the barn? (i.e., a saying meaning is she pregnant) yea (i.e., YES), as yet the vine, and the fig tree, and the pomegranate, and the olive tree, hath not brought forth: from this day will I bless you."

> > The rapture of the Bride will happen on Rosh Hashanah 2015, and scripture has no mention of more than one rapture anywhere--- 1 Thessalonians 4:16 , Titus 2:13, and 1 Corinthians 15:51,52 are the same rapture event.

The Rapture in I Cor 15:51-54 is the "last trump". You can't have a last trump without a first trump. The Rapture in I Th 4:16,17 is the first trump. Agape

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