Pro and Con 1856

Posted 4-16-15

AN ASTEROID MAY BE IN THE BOTTOM OF LAKE TUNGUSKA

INCOMING EMAIL, RE: RAPTURE (S)

First know that I respect you and admire your dedication to God's Word. I know at one time you believed the first trump rapture would be the sign that the 7 year tribulation had begun. Now I read you are expecting the first trump rapture to occur mid-trib.

If you are willing and have the strength, I would like to know what caused you to change from pre-trib to mid-trib.

Thank you and God bless you and your son.

MY REPLY

Nice to hear from you. I know you study a lot too.

I'll try to remember how I realized that the first Rapture was Mid-Trib.

First, as background, from at least 1960 onward until lately, I was absolutely sure that the Rapture would be Pre-Trib, because I read books from BIOLA's Seminary Collection for 7 years, listened to R.B. Thieme's tapes, read Hal Lindsey's Late Great Planet Earth, attended Rolling Hills Covenant Church when Chuck Swindoll was Pastor, and read Dr. Thomas Ice's Pre-Trib web site.

Then, as I continued to study the Bible on my own, I finally saw that there were two Raptures, not just one. If the one in I Cor. 15:51-54 was the "last" one, the one in I Thess. 4:16,17 had to be the first one. The First-Trump Rapture is for the wise-virgin Bride of Christ saints. The Last-Trump Rapture is for the foolish-virgin saints. No one becomes actually immortal until the Last-Trump Rapture takes place. Now, we are promised immortality. Then, we become immortal.

The First-Trump Rapture is in Rev. 4:1, before Jesus is given the seven-sealed book in Rev. 5:6,7.

The Last-Trump Rapture is at the sixth seal, on the great and terrible Day of the Lord, the Day of God's wrath, as depicted in Rev. 6:12,17; 7;9-14.

Then, Rev. 10:11 suddenly became clear to me as I was answering a question Gino sent to Five Doves about how Revelation was organized. You can't teach without learning yourself. As you seek out the scriptures to explain some things, the Lord helps you understand other things. As you study, something unexpected suddenly jells.

Rev. 10:11 says, "Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings."

Therefore, the "RISE" in Rev. 11:1 is the same as the "COME UP HITHER" in Rev. 4:1, and the "COME UP HITHER" in Rev. 11:12 is the Last-Trump Rapture, and there are only 1260 days between the two.

THE 1260 DAYS IS THE BIG CLUE

Rev 11:1-3 says, "And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, RISE, and measure the temple of God (i.e., we are the Temple of the Holy Spirit), and the altar, and them that worship therein. 2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months. 3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses (i.e., Moses and Elijah), and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth."

The Rapture of the two witnesses, Moses and Elijah, is at the end of the Great Tribulation in Rev. 11:12.

Rev. 11:12-15 says, "And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, COME UP HITHER. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them. 13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven. 14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly. 15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever."

The last Rapture is on the Day of the Lord at the end of the Great Tribulation. Therefore, the first Rapture is 1260 days before that, Mid-Trib. Wow! the Mid-Tribbers are right!

In the Preview of the Rapture, John made it clear that he was in the Tribulation at the time.

Rev 1:9-11 says, "I John, who also am your brother, and COMPANION IN TRIBULATION, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos (meaning mortal), for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ. 10 I was (lit., became) in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, 11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last".

I am hoping "the Lord's day" refers to the Lord's Ascension Day, which is coming up Thu. May 14, 2015, the anniversary of Israel's Declaration of Independence. It is neither in the winter, nor on the Sabbath day.

Act 1:9-11 says, "And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight. 10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men (i.e., Moses and Elijah, who come MId-Trib) stood by them in white apparel; 11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven."

Rev. 12:10 says, "And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now (i.e., Mid-Trib) is come salvation (soteria, rescue, deliverance, i.e., the First-Trump Rapture), and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. 11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. 12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time."

The time that is to be shortened is the Great Tribulation.

Mat 24:20-22 says, "But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: 21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened."

APRIL SHOWERS BRING MAY FLOWERS AND THE SECRET OF THE STAIRS

Son 2:10-14 says, "My beloved spake, and said unto me, Rise up, my love, my fair one, and come away. 11 For, lo, the winter is past, the rain (i.e., of Nisan) is over and gone (then it is the month of Iyar); 12 The flowers appear on the earth; the time of the singing of birds is come, and the voice of the turtle (lit., turtledove, they come in April and leave in Oct.) is heard in our land; 13 The fig tree putteth forth her green figs, and the vines with the tender grape give a good smell. Arise, my love, my fair one, and come away. 14 O my dove, that art in the clefts of the rock (i.e., in Christ), in the secret places of the stairs, let me see thy countenance, let me hear thy voice; for sweet is thy voice, and thy countenance is comely."

ANOTHER CLUE

Rev_2:22 says, "Behold, I will cast her (i.e., the church of Thyatira) into a bed, and them that commit adultery (i.e., join) with her into GREAT TRIBULATION, except they repent of their deeds."

That sounds like the first Rapture will be Mid-Trib, which is followed by the Great Tribulation. If Thyatira missed the First-Trump Rapture, she would find herself in the Great Tribulation.

This was all planned long ago.

Deu 4:30,31 says, "When thou art in tribulation, and all these things are come upon thee, even in the latter days, if thou turn to the LORD thy God, and shalt be obedient unto his voice; 31 (For the LORD thy God is a merciful God;) he will not forsake thee, neither destroy thee, nor forget the covenant of thy fathers which he sware unto them."

Joh_16:33 says, "These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world."

God bless you and guide you in your studies. Agape

INCOMING EMAIL, RE: Rapture(s)

Thanks for a wonderful reply. You have given me much to think about and I now have more studying to do.

MY REPLY

Thanks much. Please let me know when you turn up other clues.

God bless your studies. Stick to the scriptures. They are God-breathed. Agape

PS: Rev 3:10-16 says, "Because thou hast kept the word of my patience (hupomone, cheerful, hopeful, patient endurance, waiting) I also will keep thee from the hour (hora, day, hour, instant, season) of temptation (peirasmos, putting to proof), which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. 11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown. 12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name. 13 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches. 14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God; 15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. 16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth." Agape

MY REPLY TO AN INCOMING EMAIL

> > #3 There is NO pre-tribulation rapture. The rapture happens "Immediately AFTER THE TRIBULATION of those days " upon Israel : Matthew 24:29-31 but BEFORE Satan's 1,260 day "hour of temptation" judgment upon the whole world. Revelation 3:10 Jesus will "not lead us into (Satan's) temptation", but He will "deliver (rapture) us from evil ( Satan)" The rapture is best described as "pre-temptation" !

I agree that there is no pre-Trib Rapture. It looks like it is already too late for that. The next thing on the agenda is the Mid-Trib Rapture.

Mat 24:29-31 says, "Immediately after the tribulation of those days (i.e., after the shortened Great Tribulation) shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light (i.e., there will be a Partial Solar Eclipse on the Eve of Trumpets, and a Total Lunar Eclipse on Tabernacles this year, 2015), and the stars (aster, stars, asteroids) shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of HEAVEN to the other."

The sun will be darkened at the breaking of the sixth seal on the great and terrible Day of the Lord, which is also the Day of God's Wrath.

Rev 6:12-17 says, "And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; 13 And the stars (aster, star, asteroid, i.e., Wormwood and the mountain of Rev. 8:8) of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. 14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. 15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; 16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb.17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?"

No one will be able to stand that day. Rev 11:12,13 says, "And they (i.e., Moses and Elijah) heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, COME UP HITHER (i.e., in the Last-Trump Rapture). And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud (i.e., probably of Great Tribulation saints that have washed their robes in the blood of Christ); and their enemies beheld them. 13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.

> > The rapture happens "Immediately AFTER THE TRIBULATION of those days " upon Israel : Matthew 24:29-31 but BEFORE Satan's 1,260 day "hour of temptation" judgment upon the whole world. Revelation 3:10 Jesus will "not lead us into (Satan's) temptation", but He will "deliver (rapture) us from evil ( Satan) " The rapture is best described as "pre-temptation" !

AT MID-TRIB, THE RIGHTEOUS BELIEVERS, THE WISE VIRGINS HAVING PLENTY OF THE OIL OF THE HOLY SPIRIT, WILL BE IN HEAVEN, HAVING BEEN CAUGHT UP AS IN THE DAYS OF NOAH

Gen 7:1 says, "And the LORD said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen RIGHTEOUS before me in this generation."

Gen 7:11,13 says, "In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened. ... 13 In the selfsame day entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah's wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into the ark".

Then, the second month was CHESHVAN. Today, it is IYAR, the month in which Jesus ascended forty days after his resurrection on Nisan 16. The Crucifixion was on Thursday, Nisan 13. Passover was on Friday, Nisan 14,. Unleavened Bread was on Saturday, Nisan 15. Firstfruits was on Sunday, Nisan 16.

Luk 12:42-46 says, "And the Lord said, Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his lord shall make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of meat in due season? 43 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing. 44 Of a truth I say unto you, that he will make him ruler over all that he hath. 45 But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken; 46 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder (lit., cut him off), and will appoint him his portion (i.e., the Great Tribulation) with the unbelievers."

Mat 24:50,51 says, "The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of, 51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion (i.e., the Great Tribulation) with the hypocrites (pretenders): there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

ALL CAUGHT UP IN THE FIRST-TRUMP RAPTURE ARE THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

Mat 22:10-14 says, "So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests. 11 And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment: 12 And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless. 13 Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 14 For many are called, but few are chosen."

WE MUST BE "CALLED, AND CHOSEN, AND FAITHFUL"

Rev 17:12-14 says, "And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast (i.e., with the False Prophet in the Great Tribulation). 13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast. 14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful."

The First-Trump Rapture has already taken place before the ten kings receive their kingdoms.

Mat 24:29-31 says, "Immediately after the tribulation of those days (i.e., after the Great Tribulation) shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken (see Rev. 6:12-17): 30 And then (i.e., on the Day of the Lord) shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of HEAVEN to the other."

These already in heaven are the wise virgins who were caught up as in the days of Noah before the Great Tribulation.

The Last-Trump Rapture will be as the days of Lot on the Day of the Lord.

The foolish virgin believers will be caught up as in the days of Lot. Sodom and Gomorrah were reduced to ashes by an asteroid impact that formed the Great Rift Valley that same day. On the Day of the Lord, the asteroid Wormwood will destroy literal Babylon. The Meteor that exploded over Russia's Ural Mountains Feb. 15, 2013 was a warning shot.

Mar 13:24-27 says, "But in those days, after that tribulation (i.e., after the Great Tribulation), the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, 25 And the stars (Gr. aster) of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken. 26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. (i.e., the see the Sign of the Son of Man in the sky) 27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the EARTH to the uttermost part of HEAVEN."

in Joh 6:39,40, Jesus said, "And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up AGAIN at the last day. 40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day."

In Joh_6:44 Jesus said, "No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day."

In Joh_6:54, Jesus said, "Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day."

Num 10:1-4 says, "And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 2 Make thee two trumpets of silver; of a whole piece shalt thou make them: that thou mayest use them for the calling of the assembly, and for the journeying of the camps. 3 And when they shall blow with them, all the assembly shall assemble themselves to thee at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation. 4 And if they blow but with one trumpet, then the princes, which are heads of the thousands of Israel (i.e., the elders of Rev. 4:4), shall gather themselves unto thee."

The wise-virgins will be raised up on the first day (I Th 4:16,17). Then both the wise and foolish virgins will be called to the General Assembly in Heaven on the last day (I Cor 15:51-54).

1Co 15:51-54 says, "Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory."

Heb 12:22-25 says, "But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, 23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, 24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant... 25 See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven".

THERE CAN'T BE A LAST TRUMP UNLESS THERE IS A FIRST TRUMP. THE FIRST DAY IS THE DAY OF THE FIRST- TRUMP RAPTURE (I Th 4:16,17). I COR 15;51-54 IS THE DAY OF THE LAST TRUMP.

Since none of those raptured at the First-Trump Rapture in I Thess. 4:16,17 actually become immortal that day, that Rapture takes place at a different time than the Rapture in I Cor 15:51-54.

We do not actually become immortal until the Last-Trump Rapture on the Day of the Lord at the end of the Great Tribulation, but the Bride of Christ is caught up on the day of the first trump. We will be in Heaven during the Great Tribulation.

THERE ARE TWO DAYS OF THE SON OF MAN, ONE AS THE DAYS OF NOAH, ANOTHER AS THE DAYS OF LOT. IT DID NOT RAIN FIRE AND BRIMSTONE IN THE DAYS OF NOAH, BUT IT DID IN THE DAYS OF LOT

Luk 17:22-37 says, "And he said unto the disciples, The days will come, when ye shall desire to see one of the days of the Son of man, and ye shall not see it. 23 And they shall say to you, See here; or, see there: go not after them, nor follow them. 24 For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his day. 25 But first must he suffer many things, and be rejected of this generation. 26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. 27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. 28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; 29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. 30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed. 31 In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back. 32 Remember Lot's wife. 33 Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it. 34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left. 35 Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 37 And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body (i.e., the Body of Christ) is (i.e., it is in Heaven), thither will the eagles (i.e., high flying Great Tribulation saints) be gathered together."

THE ASSOCIATION WITH BEING BROUGHT TO THE LORD AT MT. SINAI ON EAGLES' WINGS WAS SET IN EX. 19:4

It says, "Ye have seen what I did unto the Egyptians, and how I bare you on eagles' wings, and brought you unto myself."

> > #4 There is NO need to for born-again Christians to worry about Satan, Satan's anti-Christ, or the "mark of the beast" because we will be raptured to heaven the very SAME DAY that Satan is cast down to earth, Revelation 12:10-12 The anti-Christ does not receive his Satanic powers until AFTER Satan is cast down to earth and the Church is raptured to heaven. Revelation 13:2-3 The Church is not appointed to the wrath of God or Satan !

Then the first Rapture will be Mid-Trib.

The Bride of Christ is not appointed to the wrath of God or Satan. The Great Tribulation saints are appointed to the wrath of Satan.

Rev_12:12 says, "Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time."

The time that is to be shortened is the Great Tribulation.

> > #5 The rapture is NOT described in Revelation 4:1 which describes ONLY 'John the Revelator' being called to heaven : "I will show YOU ( John) things which must take place after this." The rapture is described in Revelation 12:10-12

John is joined by the other 23 elders sitting on their thrones in 4:4.

Rev 5:8-10 says, "And when he (i.e., Jesus) had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints. 9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and HAST redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; 10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth."

The First-Trump Rapture is the "COME UP HITHER" of Rev. 4:1 and the "RISE" of Rev. 11:1.

The Last-Trump Rapture is the "COME UP HITHER" of Rev. 11:12. At that time Moses and Elijah are caught up and there is an earthquake. Those things do not happen at the first Rapture.

> > #6 Those who are typically and erroneously called 'tribulation saints' are more properly called 'temptation saints' because the great tribulation of Israel is over immediately BEFORE the rapture Matthew 24:29-31 , and Satan's 42 month "hour of temptation" begins immediately AFTER the rapture. Revelation 3:10 Jesus will "not lead us into temptation." according to the Lord's Prayer.

We are the ones that are to pray "lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil." See Mat_6:13. We will be caught up Mid-Trib.

> > #7 "No one knows the day or hour, BUT THE FATHER ONLY." But then THE FATHER told Jesus to show His servants the day and the hour according to : Revelation 1:1
> > "The Revelation of (the resurrected) Jesus Christ which God (THE FATHER) gave Him TO SHOW HIS SERVANTS of things which must shortly take place." The "day and the hour" of the rapture are revealed to us in Revelation 12:10-12 and fulfills the "blessing" promised to us in Revelation 1:3.

The First-Trump Rapture is the "COME UP HITHER" in Rev. 4:1 and the "RISE" in Rev. 11:1. The Last-Trump Rapture is the "COME UP HITHER" in Rev. 11:12. Between the two are 1260 days.

Rev 11:1-3 says, "And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, RISE, and measure the temple of God (i.e., we are the temple of the Holy Spirit), and the altar, and them that worship therein. 2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months. 3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth." Agape

INCOMING EMAIL, RE: two witnesses

Love your site. Since you now believe in a mid trib 1st rapture, when do the two witnesses appear? I thought there would witness the first 3 1/2 years then be killed, then resurrected after 3 days. Should they not be here now? What think thee? Thanks

MY REPLY

Glad you love my site. I try hard.

I think the two witnesses, Moses and Elijah, arrive when Christ brings the dead in Christ to Earth to get their resurrection bodies at the time of the First-Trump Rapture. Moses and Elijah will not get their resurrection bodies at that time though. They have to die first.

Act 1:9-11 says, "And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight. 10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men (i.e., Moses and Elijah) stood by them in white apparel; 11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven."

Mat 17:1-3 says, "And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart, 2 And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light. 3 And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him." Agape

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