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Posted 6-13-15

ANOTHER OF GOD'S GORGEOUS CREATIONS;
I THINK HE LIKES FLOWERS

MY REPLY TO AN INCOMING EMAIL, RE: There is no pre-trib Rapture

> > Many sites proclaim or teach a 7 yr pre tribulation rapture

I used to. I got that by reading books out of BIOLA's Seminary Collection for 7 years and listening to preachers coming out of Dallas Theological Seminary, but have changed my mind after more Bible study on my own.

FIRST, THERE ARE TWO RAPTURES, AT THE BEGINNING AND END OF THE GREAT TRIBULATION, AND THEY ARE NOT ALIKE

The First-Trump Rapture in I Th 4:16,17 is Mid-Trib. At that time, no one's body has actually become immortal.

1Th 4:16,17 says, "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God (i.e., the first trump): and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."

The Last-Trump Rapture in 1Co 15:51-54 is on the Day of the Lord at the end of the Great Tribulation.

2Pe_3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up."

1Co 15:51-54 says, "Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption (i.e., at either Rapture), and this mortal shall have put on immortality (i.e., at the last Rapture), then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory."

Psa 18:6-20 says, "In my distress I called upon the LORD, and cried unto my God: he heard my voice out of his temple, and my cry came before him, even into his ears. 7 Then the earth shook and trembled; the foundations also of the hills moved and were shaken, because he was wroth. 8 There went up a smoke out of his nostrils, and fire out of his mouth devoured: coals were kindled by it. 9 He bowed the heavens also, and came down: and darkness was under his feet. 10 And he rode upon a cherub, and did fly: yea, he did fly upon the wings of the wind. 11 He made darkness his secret place; his pavilion round about him were dark waters and thick clouds of the skies. 12 At the brightness that was before him his thick clouds passed, hail stones and coals of fire. 13 The LORD also thundered in the heavens, and the Highest gave his voice; hail stones and coals of fire. 14 Yea, he sent out his arrows, and scattered them; and he shot out lightnings, and discomfited them. 15 Then the channels of waters were seen, and the foundations of the world were discovered at thy rebuke, O LORD, at the blast of the breath of thy nostrils. 16 He sent from above, he took me, he drew me out of many waters. 17 He delivered (natsal, snatched out, raptured) me from my strong enemy, and from them which hated me: for they were too strong for me. 18 They prevented (qadam, met) me in the day of my calamity: but the LORD was my stay. 19 He brought me forth also into a large place; he delivered (chalats, took away) me, because he delighted in me. 20 The LORD rewarded me according to my righteousness; according to the cleanness of my hands hath he recompensed me."

SECOND, THE FIRST-TRUMP RAPTURE IS "IN THE TIME OF TROUBLE", NOT BEFORE IT OR AFTER IT

In Psa 27:4,5, David said, "One thing have I desired of the LORD, that will I seek after; that I may dwell in the house of the LORD all the days of my life, to behold the beauty of the LORD, and to inquire in his temple. 5 FOR IN THE TIME OF TROUBLE (i.e., AT MID TRIB) HE SHALL HIDE ME IN HIS PAVILION: IN THE SECRET OF HIS TABERNACLE (i.e., that the Holy of Holies represents the third Heaven) SHALL HE HIDE ME; HE SHALL SET ME UP UPON A ROCK (i.e., the third heaven, Saturn, II Cor 12:2-4)."

Psa_37:39,40 says, "But the salvation (teshuah, rescue) of the righteous is of the LORD: he is their strength IN THE TIME OF TROUBLE. 40 And the LORD shall help them, and deliver (palat, cause to escape, i.e., rapture) them: he shall deliver them from the wicked (i.e., from the Satan-possessed False Prophet who comes to power Mid-Trib), and save them, because they trust in him."

Isa_33:2 O LORD, be gracious unto us; we have waited for thee: be thou their arm every morning, our salvation (yeshuah, deliverance) also IN THE TIME OF TROUBLE."

Isa 33:15-17 says, "He that walketh righteously, and speaketh uprightly; he that despiseth the gain of oppressions, that shaketh his hands from holding of bribes, that stoppeth his ears from hearing of blood, and shutteth his eyes from seeing evil; 16 He shall dwell on high: his place of defence shall be the munitions (metsad, castle, fort) of rocks: bread shall be given him; his waters shall be sure. 17 Thine eyes shall see the king in his beauty: they shall behold the land (i.e., the third heaven) that is very far off."

The Last-Trump Rapture of I Cor 15:51-54 is Post-Trib. It is for the saints that have to wash their robes in the blood of Christ during the Great Tribulation. All raptured saints actually become immortal then.

AT THE PREVIEW OF THE FIRST RAPTURE, JOHN PLAINLY SAID "IN TRIBULATION"

Rev 1:9-11 says, "I John, who also am your brother, and companion IN TRIBULATION, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos (meaning mortal), for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ. 10 I was (lit., became) in the Spirit on the Lord's day (i.e., the day of Christ, the day of the First-Trump Rapture), and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, 11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last".

In Rev 10:11, John said, "And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings."

Therefore, the "RISE" in Rev. 11:1 is the same Rapture as the "COME UP HITHER" of Rev. 4:1. It takes place Mid-Trib before Moses and Elijah (who come at the time of the first Rapture) prophesy during the 42 months of the Great Tribulation.

Rev 11:1-3 says, "And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, RISE, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein. 2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months. 3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they (i.e., Moses and Elijah) shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth."

Rev 11:7 says, "And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them."

Rev 11:11-13 says, "And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them. 12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, COME UP HITHER. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them. 13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven."

MID-TRIB RAPTURE IN REVELATION 12 AND DANIEL 12

Rev 12:6-12 says, "And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days (i.e., DURING THE GREAT TRIBULATION) . 7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, 8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. 9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. 10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, NOW (arti, just now, i.e., Mid-Trib) IS COME SALVATION (soteria, rescue, i.e., the FIRST-TRUMP RAPTURE), and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. 11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. 12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them (i.e., the ones caught up in the First-Trump Rapture). Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you (i.e., Mid-Trib), having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time" (i.e., the shortened Great Tribulation).

Dan 12:1,2 says, "And at that time (i.e., Mid-Trib) shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be (i.e., following Mid-Trib) a time of trouble (i.e., the Great Tribulation), such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and AT THAT TIME (i.e., Mid-Trib, the beginning of the Great Tribulation) THY PEOPLE SHALL BE DELIVERED (malat, leap out, escape, i.e., be raptured), every one that shall be found written in the book. 2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt."

Dan 12:6,7 says, "And one said to the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders? 7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half (i.e., 3.5 years, or 42 months); and when he shall have accomplished to scatter (naphats, dash to pieces, i.e., by the impact of the asteroid Wormwood on the Day of the Lord) the power of the holy people (i.e., the wolves in sheep's clothing, Mat 7:15), all these things shall be finished."

Rev 13:5,6 says, "And there was given unto him (i.e., Antichrist) a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months (i.e., the first half of the Tribulation)6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and THEM THAT DWELL IN HEAVEN (Mid-Trib)."

WE HAVE TO BE IN HEAVEN BY MID-TRIB WHEN THE FALSE PROPHET COMES TO POWER

2Th 2:1-12 says, "Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him (i.e., Mid-Trib), 2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ (i.e., should be day of the Lord, as in the Vatican Codex, the Alexandrine Codex and the Sinaitic Codex) is at hand. 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day (i.e., the Day of the Lord) shall not come, except there come a falling away (DEPARTURE [see original Geneva Bible and 6 other early Bibles], i.e., the First-Trump Rapture) FIRST, and that man of sin (i.e., the False Prophet) be revealed (i.e., because he didn't go in the Rapture), the son of perdition; 4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? 6 And now ye know what withholdeth (i.e., the Holy Spirit) that he (i.e., the False Prophet) might be revealed in his time (i.e., the Great Tribulation). 7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he (i.e., the Holy Spirit) who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way (i.e., at the time of the Mid-Trib Rapture). 8 And then (tote, at that time, i.e., at the time of the Mid-Trib Rapture) shall that Wicked (i.e., the False Prophet) be revealed (i.e., because he won't go in the First-Trump Rapture), whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness."

> > The Antichrist Must Come Before The Rapture

That's true. The reign of the Antichrist precedes the First-Trump Rapture at Mid-Trib. The reign of the False Prophet follows it in the Great Tribulation.

Rev 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy" (i.e., Pontifex Maximus starting with Nimrod).

Rev 13:5,6 says, "And there was given unto him (i.e., Antichrist) a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months (i.e., until Mid-Trib). 6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven."

We will dwell in Heaven Mid-Trib.

AT THE END OF THE GREAT TRIBULATION, ON THE DAY OF THE LORD, THE LAST-TRUMP RAPTURE WILL TAKE PLACE

> > Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. – Matthew 24:29-31

The elect in Heaven are caught up Mid-Trib.

> > (See also Mark 13:24-27)

Mar 13:24-27 says, "But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, 25 And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken. 26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. 27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven."

Those gathered from earth are the saints out of the Great Tribulation. Those gathered from heaven were caught up previously at Mid-Trib.

> > This is Jesus, our Lord and Savior, telling us that the Rapture MUST HAPPEN AFTER THE TRIBULATION!

The First-Trump Rapture takes place Mid-Trib. The Last-Trump Rapture takes place on the dark Day of the Lord at the end of the Great Tribulation.

> > Please, everyone, there is NO WAY that you can see ANY pre-tribulation rapture here. The Sun and Moon must be darkened first, and the stars fall.

> > Then, and only then, will The Rapture happen.

The first COME UP HITHER takes place Mid-Trib. It is not a dark day. The seven-sealed book is given Jesus after the First-Trump Rapture. The dark day comes when the sixth seal is broken.

The last COME UP HITHER takes place on the dark day after the Great Tribulation, after the sixth seal is broken in Rev. 6:12.

Rev 6:1,2 says, "And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals (i.e., at Mid-Trib), and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see. 2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him (i.e., the False Prophet) had a bow (i.e., a simple piece of fabric, i.e., he is a man of the cloth); and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer."

Rev 6:12-17 says, "And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; 13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. 14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. 15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; 16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: 17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?"

Rev 7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb."

> > Jesus Must Return before the Rapture

It looks like the Second Advent will be 30 days after Christ receives his millennial kingdom on the Day of the Lord. The Sign of the Son of Man is seen in the sky on the great and terrible Day of the Lord.

Dan 12:11 And from the time that the daily (tamiyd, continuance, i.e., the mass) sacrifice shall be taken away (i.e., Mid-Trib), and the abomination (shiqquts, idol) that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days."

Catholic Answers (http://www.catholic.com/tracts/the-sacrifice-of-the-mass) "The Sacrifice of the Mass "The Eucharist is a true sacrifice, not just a commemorative meal".... "The Didache indeed actually applies the term thusia, or sacrifice, to the Eucharist" (J. N. D. Kelly, Early Christian Doctrines [Full Reference], 196–7)....

"Cyril of Jerusalem

"Then, having sanctified ourselves by these spiritual hymns, we beseech the merciful God to send forth his Holy Spirit upon the gifts lying before him, that he may make the bread the Body of Christ and the wine the Blood of Christ, for whatsoever the Holy Spirit has touched is surely sanctified and changed. Then, upon the completion of the spiritual sacrifice, the bloodless worship, over that propitiatory victim we call upon God for the common peace of the churches, for the welfare of the world, for kings, for soldiers and allies, for the sick, for the afflicted; and in summary, we all pray and offer this sacrifice for all who are in need" (Catechetical Lectures 23:7–8 [A.D. 350])."

"(Homilies on First Corinthians 24:1(3) [A.D. 392]).
"In ancient times, because men were very imperfect, God did not scorn to receive the blood which they were offering . . . to draw them away from those idols; and this very thing again was because of his indescribable, tender affection. But now he has transferred the priestly action to what is most awesome and magnificent. He has changed the sacrifice itself, and instead of the butchering of dumb beasts, he commands the offering up of himself" (ibid., 24:2)."...

""What then? Do we not offer daily? Yes" ....

"We offer always the same, not one sheep now and another tomorrow, but the same thing always. Thus there is one sacrifice. By this reasoning, since the sacrifice is offered everywhere, are there, then, a multiplicity of Christs? By no means! Christ is one everywhere. He is complete here, complete there, one body. And just as he is one body and not many though offered everywhere, so too is there one sacrifice" (Homilies on Hebrews 17:3(6) [A.D. 403])."

"Augustine

"In the sacrament he is immolated for the people not only on every Easter Solemnity but on every day; and a man would not be lying if, when asked, he were to reply that Christ is being immolated. For if sacraments had not a likeness to those things of which they are sacraments, they would not be sacraments at all; and they generally take the names of those same things by reason of this likeness" (Letters 98:9 [A.D. 412])."

Immolated means killed or offered as a sacrifice.

> > I have already shown you Matthew 24:29-31 and Mark 13:24-27 above.

The Second Advent of Christ is not on the day of the Last-Trump Rapture. He is occupied with other things. He receives his millennial kingdom. He judges at the Judgment Seat of Christ. He participates in the Wedding of the Bride of Christ. Seven days later, he participates in the Wedding Supper of the Bride of Christ.

> > And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child. And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent. – Revelation 12:13-14

> > There IS a place of safety that will be prepared for God's people. And, it will be a place that will keep them safe, until the end of the Tribulation.

> > Do I understand how that is possible?

> > No. No one does. But, that shouldn't keep us from taking it on faith.

To me, the "place" where Messianic Jews are kept safe during the Great Tribulation is Petra.

> > The Antichrist must come before the Rapture

True. The False Prophet comes after the First-Trump Rapture.

Rev. 13:5,6 says, "And there was given unto him (i.e., Antichrist, the first beast) a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. 6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven."

They dwell in Heaven Mid-Trib. Then the False Prophet comes to power.

> > The Tribulation must come before the Rapture

The first half of it comes before the First-Trump Rapture. The last half of it comes before the Last-Trump Rapture.

> > The Sun and Moon Must be Darkened before the Rapture

They are only darkened before the Last-Trump Rapture. See Rev. 6:12-7:14.

> > The Lord Must descend from Heaven with a Shout before the Rapture

Yes, before the First-Trump Rapture. 1Th_4:16 says, "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first".

> > Jesus Must Return before the Rapture

Not at the Second Advent. We will meet the Lord in the air.

1Th_4:17 says, "Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

> > The Resurrection must happen just before the Rapture (or, at the same time)

Yes. The dead in Christ will get their resurrection bodies first.

1Th 4:16,17 says, "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord." Agape

INCOMING EMAIL

i cant find Patti C link so i am hoping that you may foward this, or give me her link if you know it? i love what i am reading, however i believe Patti C missed one step in the following paragraph regarding satan himself as an angel of light.

All throughout the Bible the color white is symbolic of purity in relation to righteousness and holiness and is never used in connection with sin, corruption, evil or the devil!! The WORD of God NEVER attempts to deceive us in any way. Satan may portray himself as an angel of light, but the Bible calls him a serpent, a red dragon, and the father of lies. The Scriptures never portray Satan as an angel of light, but tells us he can betray us that way. In this regard, Scripture would never tell us that Satan, or the Anti-Christ would be riding a white horse!!

2Co 11:14-15 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

MY REPLY

I don't know it, but will post your email.

We must watch out for anyone that "preacheth another Jesus". The Antichrist and False Prophet will be wolves in sheep's clothing, and the Pope's badge of office is his lamb's wool pallium.

Mat_7:15,16 says, "Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 16 Ye shall know them by their fruits."

"Vatican to officially recognize Palestinian statehood in new treaty" http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/13/world/vatican-palestinian-statehood/

Keep watching. Agape

JESUS COMES AS THE FORMER AND LATTER RAIN, TISHRI 1 AND
NISAN 1, SO TO ME, JESUS WAS NOT BORN ON TABERNACLES;
HE WAS BORN ON THE FEAST OF TRUMPETS

Deu_11:14 says, "I will give you the rain of your land in his due season, the first rain and the latter rain, that thou mayest gather in thy corn, and thy wine, and thine oil."

Job_29:23 And they waited for me as for the rain; and they opened their mouth wide as for the latter rain."

Pro_16:15 In the light of the king's countenance is life; and his favour is as a cloud of the latter rain."

Jer_3:3 Therefore the showers have been withholden, and there hath been no latter rain; and thou hadst a whore's forehead, thou refusedst to be ashamed."

Joe_2:23 Be glad then, ye children of Zion, and rejoice in the LORD your God: for he hath given you the former rain moderately, and he will cause to come down for you the rain, the former rain, and the latter rain in the first month."

Zec_10:1 Ask ye of the LORD rain in the time of the latter rain; so the LORD shall make bright clouds, and give them showers of rain, to every one grass in the field."

Jas_5:7 Be patient therefore, brethren, unto the coming of the Lord. Behold, the husbandman waiteth for the precious fruit of the earth, and hath long patience for it, until he receive the early and latter rain."

INCOMING EMAIL

Wonderful teaching on A Case For Two Raptures on 5 Doves. You make the progression very clear. Also the difference between those living righteously and those caught up in this world will not both be part of the Bride. Thank you!

MY REPLY

Thanks much. It took me a long time to get it straight. It took studying the Bible by myself, not following what anyone else said. Agape

INCOMING EMAIL

I just read this scripture Song of Solomon 2:10-14, when I read it, I thought, yes, The Lord, my bridegroom is coming in the spring! I wondered about when the voice of the turtle is heard in Israel, and came across your blog about the rapture in the Song of Solomon, I am rejoicing that someone else spotted this scripture, and thought as I thought that the timing of the rapture has to be spring! (In the mouth of 2 witnesses shall every word be established). I had to let you know, I saw the same thing as you did! Thank you for your post, what a blessing it was!

MY REPLY

Thanks for your input.

The "turtle" is literally the turtledove, which comes in April and leaves in October.

Isa 18:3-6 also indicates spring. It says, "All ye inhabitants of the world, and dwellers on the earth, see ye, when he lifteth up an ensign (i.e., the UN flag) on the mountains (i.e., kingdoms); and when he bloweth a trumpet, hear ye. 4 For so the LORD said unto me, I will take my rest, and I will consider in my dwelling place like a clear heat upon herbs, and like a cloud of dew in the heat of harvest. 5 For afore the harvest, when the bud is perfect, and the sour grape is ripening in the flower (i.e., in the spring), he shall both cut off the sprigs with pruning hooks, and take away and cut down the branches. 6 They (i.e., the branches with no fruit) shall be left together unto the fowls of the mountains, and to the beasts of the earth: and the fowls shall summer upon them, and all the beasts of the earth shall winter upon them."

Here is some food for thought.

1967 + 48.33 (a generation, Mt 1:17) = 2015.33. 2015 plus a third of 2016 would be next spring.

That would fit Rev 13:5,6. March 19, 2013 + 42 months = Sept. 19, 2016, which might be the last day we could be here.

Let me know if you find other spring clues. I'm going to read all of Song of Solomon again. Agape

INCOMING EMAIL, RE: "THE MOST TERRIFYING PARABLE IS THE 'PARABLE OF THE TEN VIRGINS'"

It tells us that as many as fifty-percent of those who call themselves Christians will not be raptured because they do not have enough "lamp oil" to be raptured which means there is a requirement, on our part, other than just being a Christian. You must not only be a Christian, but you must also have enough "lamp oil" to meet the requirement to be raptured.

All ten are "virgins" (Christians) waiting for the "bridegroom" (Jesus) to take (rapture) them into the "wedding" (Heaven). The five "wise virgins" have the required supply of "lamp oil", but the five "foolish virgins" do not have an adequate supply of "lamp oil" to be raptured. Whatever could the "lamp oil" represent?

Revelation 3;15-16
"I know thy works that thou are neither cold nor hot: I wish thou were cold or hot. Therefore BECAUSE THOU ARE LUKEWARM , and neither cold nor hot, it will come to pass, that I WILL SPEW THEE OUT OF MY MOUTH."

Do not be just "lukewarm" for the Lord because it will not go well for you on the Day of the rapture!

MY REPLY

I think the five wise virgins will be caught up in the First-Trump Rapture of I Th 4:16,17 Mid-Trib. They are mainly the Philadelphian church group for which Jesus had no words of condemnation.

The five foolish virgins will be caught up in the Last-Trump Rapture of I Cor. 15:51-54 that takes place at the end of the Great Tribulation. They include those of the church of Thyatira that are to be cast into the Great Tribulation unless they repent of their deeds, and the luke-warm Laodiceans.

> > Whatever could the "lamp oil" represent?

The indwelling Holy Spirit. Agape

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