Pro and Con 1875

Posted 9-3-15

MY REPLY TO A POST ON THE INTERNET

> > The rapture cannot occur at any moment. The Bible says it cannot occur until the man of sin is revealed, which has not occurred yet.
> > 2 Thess 2:2-3. "That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;"

I think the Pontifex Maximus Antichrist was revealed 3-19-13. He is to rule 42 months, until Mid-Trib, Sept. 19, 2016. At that time, the Satan-possessed False Prophet will be revealed. He cannot be indwelt by Satan until Satan is cast out of Heaven Mid-Trib.

Rev 12:6-12 says, "And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days (i.e., during the Great Tribulation). 7 And there was war in heaven (i.e., at Mid-Trib): MICHAEL and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, 8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. 9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. 10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation (soteria, rescue, deliverance, i.e., the First-Trump Rapture), and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. 11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. 12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and YE (i.e., the wise-virgin saints) THAT DWELL IN THEM. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time" (i.e., during the shortened Great Tribulation).

Dan 12:1 says, "And at that time (i.e., Mid-Trib) shall MICHAEL stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble (i.e., the Great Tribulation), such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time (i.e., Mid-Trib) thy people shall be delivered (malat, leap out, i.e., be raptured), every one that shall be found written in the book."

MY REPLY RE: FIVE TRUMPETS ALREADY COMING TO PASS

> > Five of the seven trumpets that signify the end of the age have come to pass. (http://www.endtime.com/blog/revelation-seven-trumpets-shall-sound/)

The Revelation of Jesus Christ is written as if the First-Trump Rapture was at hand.

Rev 1:3 says, "Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand."

The First-Trump Rapture takes place at the "COME UP HITHER" in Rev. 4:1. No earthquake happens at that time. The seven-sealed book is given Christ after that Rapture, so the seals come after the Rapture.

Rev 5:5 says, "And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof."

The angels are given 7 trumpets at the seventh seal, so none of the trumpets have been fulfilled yet.

Rev 8:1,2 says, "And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour. 2 And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets."

Rev 10:11 says, "And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings."

Therefore, the "RISE" of Rev. 11:1 is the same Rapture as the "COME UP HITHER" of Rev. 4:1. It takes place Mid-Trib.

Rev 13:5-9 says, "And there was given unto him (i.e., Antichrist) a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months (i.e., THE FIRST HALF OF THE TRIBULATION). 6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and THEM THAT DWELL IN HEAVEN (i.e., the First-Trump Rapture of the Philadelphian wise virgins just took place Mid-Trib). 7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints (i.e., the Laodicean foolish virgins left behind), and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. 8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. 9 If any man have an ear, let him hear."

It looks to me like the wise-virgin church was born on Earth on Pentecost (the 50th day) in 30 AD, and they will be born into Heaven on Pentecost in 2016 (the 50th year, the Jubilee). We don't have long to find out if that is so or not. Next Pentecost is SUNDAY, June 12, 2016, the time of firstripe grapes.

The First-Trump Rapture takes place on Sunday.

In the Preview of the Rapture, Rev 1:9,10 says, "I John, who also am your brother, and companion IN TRIBULATION, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ. 10 I was (lit., became) in the Spirit on the Lord's day" (Sunday).

THE SECRET OF THE STAIRS

Son 2:10-15 says, "My beloved spake, and said unto me, RISE up, my love, my fair one, and come away. 11 For, lo, the winter is past, the rain is over and gone; 12 The flowers appear on the earth; the time of the singing of birds is come, and the voice of the turtle (lit., turtledove) is heard in our land (i.e., April to October); 13 The fig tree putteth forth her green figs, and the vines with the tender grape give a good smell. ARISE, my love, my fair one, and come away. 14 O my dove, that art in the clefts of the rock, in the secret places of the stairs, let me see thy countenance, let me hear thy voice; for sweet is thy voice, and thy countenance is comely. 15 Take us the foxes, the little foxes, that spoil the vines: for OUR VINES HAVE TENDER GRAPES."

Following that first Rapture, Moses and Elijah are on Earth 42 months, the Great Tribulation. The "COME UP HITHER" of Rev. 11:12 is the Last-Trump Rapture. A great earthquake happens at that time, the end of the Great Tribulation, because Satan's asteroid Wormwood hits the Earth.

ANOTHER REPLY TO A POST ON THE INTERNET

> > I believe most Bible scholars today see that the rapture will take place after 3 1/2 years of the 7 year tribulation period. Many verses tell us what to do and not to do, especially not to take the mark of the beast. After this 3 1/2 year period, the Great Tribulation or the "pre-Wrath" will begin as Christ returns to earth. Ere this, we will have been taken up to meet Jesus.

How about the First-Trump Rapture being on Pentecost, Sunday, June 12, 2016, before Mid-Trib on Mon. Sept. 19, 2016? It looks like the Church began on Pentecost, the Jubilee of days, in 30 AD and will be caught up on Pentecost, Sun. June 12, 2016 in the Jubilee Year.

Rev 13:5-9 says, "And there was given unto him (i.e., the Antichrist, the first beast, the Pontifex Maximus) a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months (i.e., the first half of the Tribulation, starting 3-19-2013). 6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven (i.e., these are the wise virgins that are probably caught up on the Pentecost that precedes Mid-Trib). 7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints (i.e., the foolish virgins left behind), and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. 8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. 9 If any man have an ear, let him hear."

Rev 13:11 is when the False Prophet comes up Mid-Trib. It says, "And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon."

MY REPLY TO A POST ON THE INTERNET

> > Believe me, I want to believe pretrib is correct, but I want the truth. I believe we will be either midtrib or posttrib.

I believe it will be on Pentecost Sunday, June 12, 2016, just before Mid-Trib. It looks like the Church was born on Pentecost, the Jubilee of days, and will be raptured on Pentecost in the Jubilee Year.

Rev 13:5-9 says, "And there was given unto him (i.e., the Antichrist, the first beast, the Pontifex Maximus) a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months (i.e., the first half of the Tribulation, starting 3-19-2013). 6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven (i.e., these are the wise virgins that are probably caught up on the Pentecost that precedes Mid-Trib). 7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints (i.e., the foolish virgins left behind), and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. 8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. 9 If any man have an ear, let him hear."

MY REPLY TO A POST ON THE INTERNET

> > I'm getting a little confused regarding the pre tribulation rapture and the post tribulation rapture. is it correct that those who are ready when Jesus Christ comes will caught up with Him, that being the pre tribulation rapture. and those who were not ready when he came that got left behind during the great tribulation and didn't accept the mark who believe in Jesus Christ in spirit and in truth will end up being raptured during the post tribulation? is this correct?? just wanna make sure coz Im sharing this to my friends and love ones.

To me, there is no pre-trib Rapture. We are already in the Tribulation.

You are right that there are two Raptures. They span the Great Tribulation. The one in I Th 4:16,17 is about Mid-Trib. The one in I Cor 15:51-54 is at the end of the Great Tribulation.

It looks like the first Rapture was played out for us when the Christians left Jerusalem and went to Pella, meaning defensible citadel on a cliff, on Pentecost in 66 AD.

I think the Tribulation started when the Pontifex Maximus Antichrist was elected on 3-19-2013. He is given 42 months to reign. That will end Mon. Sept 19, 2016.

I think the First-Trump Rapture will probably take place on Pentecost, the Jubilee of days, Sunday, June 12, 2016 in the Jubilee of Years, 5776.

The Last-Trump Rapture is on the Day of God's Wrath at the end of the Great Tribulation.

Thus the two Raptures span the Great Tribulation.

THE MEANING OF EZEKIEL'S VISION

By Marilyn Agee

I searched the Internet for information on the Shekinah glory and stumbled across this bit calling cherubim "cherubic creatures whose appearance pulsated with undulating light".

It said, "Ezekiel's description of the 'Shekinah' in chapter one of his prophecy is physically exciting just to read. Imagine actually seeing it! It is described as fire enfolding itself borne by cherubic creatures whose appearance pulsated with undulating light, themselves borne by gyroscopic double wheels. Lightning came out of the midst of the fire surrounded by clear sapphire where a man-like person on a throne sat in an electric eye. If electricity is anachronistic, the word is nonetheless 'chashmal' which is the modern Hebrew word for electricity. The Septuagint has "electrum" and so does the Vulgate! Whatever 'chashmal' and 'electrum' meant to the ancients who used these words it can only be said that 'eyn chashmal' in Hebrew and 'opsin electrou' in Greek and 'speciem electri' found in Latin in Eze. 1:27 is not 'amber' as in the English translation. The word 'color' does not appear in the text"

That flight of fancy takes me back to the late 1960s and early 1970s when I spent 7 years trying to find someone that understood Gen. 3:24 and Eze. 1. I read big stacks of books from BIOLA's Seminary Collection every week for seven years without finding anyone that understood what the cherubim stood for. Practically in tears, I put my hands on my open Bible and told the Lord he would have to help me.

In retrospect, I didn't pay enough attention to "the heavens were opened, and I saw visions of God" in verse 1. It is literally talking about the heavens and the throne of Jesus in Heaven.

What finally opened my eyes was when I started looking up all the original words in Strong's Concordance.

Eze 1:4 says, "And I looked, and, behold, a whirlwind came out of the north, a great cloud, and a fire infolding itself, and a brightness was about it, and out of the midst thereof as the colour of amber, out of the midst of the fire."

I looked up "brightness." It said, "nogahh From H5050; brilliancy (literally or figuratively): - bright (-ness), light, (clear) shining."

Bright shining! that's sunshine! and the fire infolding itself was the Sun, the first thing that made sense to me.

Rotating and orbiting around the Sun are four terrestrial planets, Mercury, Venus, Earth and Mars. Here, they are called cherubim, and are pictured with wings because they can fly. Around them orbits the Asteroid Belt.

ONE OF THE CHERUBIM IS THE EARTH

Eze 1:15 says, "Now as I beheld the living creatures (chay, lively things), behold one wheel (ophan, to revolve, i.e., an orbit) upon the EARTH by the living creatures, with his four faces" (i.e., being a sphere, it faces east (represented by the lion), south (represented by the man), west (represented by the ox) and north (represented by the eagle). It also orbits in all four directions.

Those faces were on the flags at the compass points when the Israelites camped around the Tabernacle.

Eze 1:16 says, "The appearance of the wheels (i.e., orbits) and their work was like unto the colour of a beryl (i.e., clear and shiny): and they four had one likeness: and their appearance and their work was as it were a wheel in the middle of a wheel."

THE BIG PICTURE

In the middle is the blazing Sun. Around it orbits Mercury, Venus, Earth and Mars in concentric circles. The terrestrial planets are called cherubim. The throne of Jesus is not on any of these.

THE SAPPHIRE THRONE OF THE ONLY MAN/GOD, JESUS CHRIST, IS BETWEEN TWO PLANETS, JUPITER AND URANUS

Eze 1:26-28 says, "And above the firmament (i.e., expanse of space) that was over their heads (i.e., farther out in space than the terrestrial planets) was the likeness (i.e., symbolic language) of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone (i.e., sapphire is from the Sanskrit Sani, Saturn, and priya, dear): and upon the likeness (i.e., symbolic language) of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man (i.e., the only God/man is Jesus) above upon it. 27 And I saw as the colour of amber (i.e., Saturn is the amber planet), as the appearance of fire round about within it (i.e., it glows with its own light, and at night looks like a lamp in the sky), from the appearance of his loins even upward (i.e., from the equator), and from the appearance of his loins even downward, I saw as it were the appearance of fire, and it had brightness round about (i.e., Saturn's rings). 28 As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain, so was the appearance of the brightness round about. This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the LORD."

Exo_24:10 says, "And they saw the God of Israel (i.e., at Mt. Sinai): and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a SAPPHIRE STONE, and as it were the body of HEAVEN in his clearness."

THE BIRTHSTONE OF JESUS

Born in September, the sapphire is Jesus' birthstone. It means heaven, faith, faithfulness and purity of the soul. People in ancient Persia called it the celestial stone. It is supposed to protect against snakes. The sapphire is Judah's stone in the breastplate, and Jesus is the "Lion of the tribe of Juda" in Rev. 5:5.

Eze 28:12,13 addresses Satan. It says, "Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus (tsor, a rock), and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty. Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius (i.e., Mercury), topaz (Venus), and the diamond (Earth), the beryl (Mars), the onyx (Rahab, now the Asteroid Belt), and the jasper (Jupiter), the sapphire (Saturn), the emerald (Uranus), and the carbuncle (Neptune), and gold (Pluto): the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created."

Isa 51:9 says, "Awake, awake, put on strength, O arm of the LORD (i.e., Christ); awake, as in the ancient (qedem, aforetime) days, in the generations of old (i.e., when wayward angels dwelt here before Adam was created). Art thou not it that hath cut (lit., split) Rahab (i.e., Satan's planet, now our Asteroid Belt), and wounded the dragon?"

Isa 22:16-19 says, "What hast thou here? (i.e., Babylon) and whom hast thou here (i.e., the Satan-possessed False Prophet), that thou hast hewed thee out a sepulchre here, as he (i.e., Satan) that heweth him out a sepulchre on high, and that graveth an habitation for himself in a rock (i.e., in the asteroid Wormwood, Rev. 8:11)? 17 Behold, the LORD will carry thee away with a mighty captivity, and will surely cover thee. 18 He will surely violently turn and toss thee like a ball into a large country (i.e., Iraq): there shalt thou die, and there the chariots of thy glory shall be the shame of thy lord's house. 19 And I will drive thee from thy station (matstsab, fixed spot), and from thy state (maamad, position) shall he pull thee down."

SATAN'S ASTEROID WORMWOOD IS THE "FLAMING SWORD" IN GEN. 3:22-24

Gen 3:22-24 says, "And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the TREE OF LIFE, and eat, and live for ever: 23 Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken. 24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east (i.e., in the eastern sky) of the garden of Eden Cherubims (i.e., Mercury, Venus, Earth and Mars), and a flaming sword (i.e., Satan's asteroid Wormwood) which turned every way (i.e., rotated and orbited), to keep the way (derek, roadway) of the TREE OF LIFE" (i.e., which is on Saturn).

THE TREE OF LIFE

Rev 2:7 says, "He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who overcomes, I will give the right to eat from the TREE OF LIFE, which is in the paradise (i.e., heaven) of God."

Rev 22:2 says, "On each side of the river stood the TREE OF LIFE, bearing twelve crops of fruit, yielding its fruit every month. And the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations."

Rev 22:14 says, "Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the TREE OF LIFE and may go through the gates into the city."

SATAN'S ASTEROID WORMWOOD WILL IMPACT EARTH AT THE END OF THE GREAT TRIBULATION

Rev 8:10,11 says, "And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star (aster) from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters; 11 And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter."

Eze 10:1,2 says, "Then I looked, and, behold, in the firmament that was above the head of the cherubims there appeared over them as it were a sapphire stone (i.e., Saturn), as the appearance of the likeness of a throne. 2 And he (i.e., Jesus) spake unto the man clothed with linen, and said, Go in between the wheels (i.e., orbits), even under the cherub (i.e., Satan), and fill thine hand with coals of fire from between the cherubims (i.e., the terrestrial planets), and scatter them over the city. And he went in in my sight."

THE TEN CURTAINS OF THE TABERNACLE REPRESENTED THE TEN PLANETS IN OUR SOLAR SYSTEM

Exo_26:1 says, "Moreover thou shalt make the tabernacle with ten curtains of fine twined linen, and blue, and purple, and scarlet: with cherubims of cunning work shalt thou make them."

The cherubim representing the planets were embroidered on the curtains that made up the tent of the Tabernacle. Ten curtains represented the ten planets of our solar system. The curtain folded across the front represented Saturn. The one folded over the back corner represented Earth.

A POST ON AN INTERNET WEBSITE

http://www.endtime.com/the-rapture/

Marilyn, you are making interpretations to fit your theology not making your theology fit scripture. There is nothing in scripture that even implies 2 raptures or 2 churches (which you have to have is the church is removed at the start and another church removed at the end). 1Thes. claims Christ comes at the sound of a trumpet and Jesus says the same thing in Matt. 24 but I don't here you claiming that trumpet is the first, or middle. While Matt. does not mention the word "earth" it is clearly implied by "the four winds" and if you read Mark 13:27 it is perfectly clear that it is the earth. Rev. 20:5 clearly states that there are 2 and only 2 resurrections of the dead but you wish to create a third. Since 1 Thes. says that the dead in Christ rise first, how can all the Christian martyrs of the great tribulation rise "first" before they are even killed? The foolish virgins are not left behind, they are left out. You get one chance to get into God's family. If you don't make it you don't make it. Interpretations are not scriptural fact. You can try to claim 2 raptures and make them part of the first resurrection but like the whole pre-trib theory it is bassed on opinion and supposition. Wouldn't bet my families life on it.

"There is nothing in scripture that even implies 2 raptures or 2 churches (which you have to have is the church is removed at the start and another church removed at the end)."

MY REPLY

> > Matthew 24:29-31 and Revelation 6:12-17 are parallel passages

I agree. This is the day of the LAST-TRUMP RAPTURE. It is at the sixth seal, the Day of God's Wrath at the end of the Great Tribulation. The two Raptures bracket the Great Tribulation. The first group is made up of the wise virgins. The second group is made up of the foolish virgins.

To the foolish Laodiceans, Jesus says in Rev 3:19, "As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent."

They repent and are caught up at the end of the Great Tribulation. Rev_7:14 says, "These are they which came out of GREAT TRIBULATION, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb."

AT THE FIRST-TRUMP RAPTURE, NONE ACTUALLY BECOME IMMORTAL, DEATH IS NOT YET SWALLOWED UP IN VICTORY

1Th 4:16,17 says, "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."

Rev 4:1 says, "After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither".

Rev 5:8-10 says, "And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints. 9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; 10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth."

AT THE LAST-TRUMP RAPTURE, ALL BECOME IMMORTAL, DEATH IS SWALLOWED UP IN VICTORY

1Co 15:51-54 says, "Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, AT THE LAST TRUMP: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory."

Mat 24:29-31 says, "Immediately after the tribulation (i.e., after the Great Tribulation) of those days SHALL THE SUN BE DARKENED, AND THE MOON SHALL NOT GIVE HER LIGHT, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other."

These elect are already in Heaven, having been caught up MID-TRIB.

The 144,000 plus so many they can't be numbered are raptured at the end of the Great Tribulation.

Rev 6:12-17 says, "And I beheld when he had opened the SIXTH SEAL, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and THE SUN BECAME BLACK AS SACKCLOTH OF HAIR, AND THE MOON BECAME AS BLOOD; 13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. 14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. 15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; 16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: 17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?"

Rev 7:14 says, "These are they which came out of GREAT TRIBULATION, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb."

> > While Matt. does not mention the word "earth" it is clearly implied by "the four winds" and if you read Mark 13:27 it is perfectly clear that it is the earth.

Mat 24:29-31 is talking about those that were caught up to Heaven about Mid-Trib.

Mark 12:27 says, "And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven."

Those gathered in Heaven were the wise virgins caught up just before Mid-Trib. Those gathered from the earth are the foolish virgins gathered on the Day of God's Wrath at the end of the Great Tribulation.

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