Pro and Con 1877

Posted 9-10-15

THIS GORGEOUS WHITE EGRET ORCHID THE
LORD MADE DOES LOOK LIKE A BIRD

THE TEN COMMANDMENTS WERE WRITTEN ON TABLETS OF SAPPHIRE

By Marilyn Agee

"According to Jewish tradition, as recorded in the Torah and the Talmud, the Ten Commandments were engraved on two tablets of blue sapphire stone of equal size - each 6 x 6 x 3 tefachim (handbreadths) squares." (https://www.torchweb.org/torah_detail.php?id=56)

"The tradition is that both sets of tablets were made of sapphire. After Moses broke the first set, G-d revealed a large deposit of sapphire under Moses' tent. Moses used some of the stone to carve the second tablets, and was permitted to keep the remainder.3" (3. Rashi to Exodus 34:1) (http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/1114513/jewish/What-Did-the-Tablets-Look-Like.htm)

Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible says, "the Targum of Jonathan says on tables of sapphire".

A PAVEMENT OF SAPPHIRE WAS UNDER THE FEET OF THE GOD OF ISRAEL AT MT. SINAI

Exo 24:9,10 (KJV) says, "Then went up Moses, and Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel: 10 And they saw the God of Israel: and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a SAPPHIRE stone, and as it were the body of heaven in his clearness."

Compare a different translation. Exo 24:9-12 (HCSB) says, "Then Moses went up with Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu, and 70 of Israel's elders, and they saw the God of Israel. Beneath His feet was something like a pavement made of SAPPHIRE stone, as clear as the sky itself. 11 God did not harm the Israelite nobles; they saw Him, and they ate and drank. 12 The LORD said to Moses, "Come up to Me on the mountain and stay there so that I may give you the stone tablets with the law and commandments I have written for their instruction."

THE THRONE OF JESUS IS LIKE SAPPHIRE IN EZEKIEL'S VISION OF THE HEAVENS

Sapphire represents heaven, where the throne of the God of Israel is located.

Eze 1:1 (KJV) says, "...the heavens were opened, and I saw visions of God."

Eze 1:26-28 (KJV) says, "And above the firmament (i.e., expanse of space) that was over their heads (i.e., farther out in space than the terrestrial planets) was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a SAPPHIRE stone: and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man (i.e., Jesus Christ, the only God/man) above upon it. 27 And I saw as the colour of amber (i.e., Saturn is the amber planet), as the appearance of fire round about within it, from the appearance of his loins even upward, and from the appearance of his loins even downward, I saw as it were the appearance of fire, and it had brightness round about (i.e., Saturn's ring system). 28 As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain, so was the appearance of the brightness round about. This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the LORD."

Eze. 1:26-28 (HCSB) says, "The shape of a throne with the appearance of SAPPHIRE stone was above the expanse. There was a form with the appearance of a human on the throne high above. 27 From what seemed to be His waist up, I saw a gleam like amber, with what looked like fire enclosing it all around. From what seemed to be His waist down, I also saw what looked like fire. There was a brilliant light all around Him. 28 The appearance of the brilliant light all around was like that of a rainbow in a cloud on a rainy day. This was the appearance of the form of the LORD's glory."

According to Webster's Collegiate Dictionary, sapphire means dear to the planet Saturn, from the Sanskrit Sani, Saturn, and priya, dear. Therefore, the sapphire throne of Jesus is on Saturn, the planet with seven rings.

Eze 10:1 says, "Then I looked, and, behold, in the firmament that was above the head of the cherubims there appeared over them as it were a sapphire stone, as the appearance of the likeness of a throne."

INCOMING EMAIL

PLEASE READ: yrm.org/pentecost-renewed.htm

MY REPLY

Thanks for the Messianic perspective.

Donald Mansager thinks we should keep the law. Yet, he says, "Is He calling you today to repent and be baptized into Yahshua's Name so that you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit, Act 2:38".

He said, "Ability Now to Keep Law

"Since Yahshua's shedding of blood upon this earth, the Holy Spirit is here. Upon baptism into Yahshua's name, the Holy Spirit is given to those of a broken and contrite heart, and their sins are washed away. Now they walk in newness of life, following the promptings of Yahweh's Spirit.

"Pentecost is to remember the giving of the law at Sinai, and the coming of the Holy Spirit to mankind so that we can keep the law and be obedient to the One we worship. The Ten Commandments are not done away. These laws are eternal and through obedience to them, Yahweh is molding and making a people who will conform to the image of His pattern Son.

"The Feast of Weeks is a holy convocation of His people when brethren gather and rejoice in the new creation we have in Yahshua the Messiah.

"Today His laws are in our hearts and minds and we can hear and obey His voice. We are drawn closer to Him Who has given His life for us. We don't have to speak in tongues to observe and keep Pentecost, for Yahweh speaks to His people in a still small voice."

Pentecost is also when Moses (meaning drawing out, rescued) went up to God on Mt. Sinai (meaning Saturn (heaven).

Eze 1:1 says, "the heavens were opened, and I saw visions of God."

Eze_1:26 says, "And above the firmament (i.e., expanse of space) that was over their heads (i.e., farther out in space than the terrestrial planets) was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone (i.e., sapphire means dear to the planet Saturn, from the Sanskrit Sani, Saturn, and priya, dear): and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man (i.e., the man/God Jesus Christ) above upon it."

Exo_24:10 says, "And they saw the God of Israel: and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were the body of heaven in his clearness."

Jesus was born on the Feast of Trumpets in September. No wonder the September birthstone is the sapphire. Agape

MY REPLY TO AN EMAIL FROM RON REESE

> > THE DAY OF THE RAPTURE WILL BE...THE DAY OF SUDDEN DESTRUCTION!

There are two Raptures. The First-Trump Rapture is in I Th 4:16,17. The Last-Trump Rapture is in I Cor 15:51-54. The first Rapture seems to be on Pentecost before Mid-Trib. The last Rapture is on the day of sudden destruction known as the Day of the Lord.

"GOD HATH NOT APPOINTED US TO WRATH"

1Th 5:3-9 says, "For when THEY (i.e., those in the Great Tribulation) shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon THEM, as travail upon a woman with child; and THEY shall not escape. 4 But YE, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. 5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day (i.e., the first half of the Tribulation): we are not of the night (i.e., the Great Tribulation), nor of darkness. 6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober. 7 For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night. 8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation. 9 For GOD HATH NOT APPOINTED US TO WRATH, but to obtain salvation (SOTERIA, rescue) by our Lord Jesus Christ".

THE FIRST-TRUMP RAPTURE IS DURING THE REIGN OF THE FIRST BEAST, THE ANTICHRIST

Rev 13:5-9 says, "And there was given unto him (i.e., the beast, Antichrist) a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months (i.e., the first half of the Tribulation). 6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and THEM THAT DWELL IN HEAVEN (i.e., the First-Trump Rapture just took place). 7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints (i.e., the foolish virgins left behind), and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. 8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. 9 If any man have an ear, let him hear."

THE FALSE PROPHET COMES TO POWER AFTER THE FIRST RAPTURE HAS TAKEN PLACE

Rev 13:11 says, "And I beheld another beast (i.e., Satan) coming up out of the earth (i.e., Mid-Trib, see Rev 12); and he had two horns (i.e., two comings to power) like a lamb (Christ), and he (i.e., the Satan-possessed False Prophet, the second son of perdition) spake as a dragon."

THE FIRST RAPTURE TAKES PLACE MID-TRIB WHEN MICHAEL CASTS SATAN OUT OF HEAVEN

Rev 12:6-12 says, "And the woman fled into the wilderness (i.e., MID-TRIB), where she hath a place (PETRA) prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. 7 And there was war in heaven (i.e., Mid-Trib): MICHAEL and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, 8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. 9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. 10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation (soteria, rescue, i.e., the First-Trump Rapture), and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. 11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. 12 Therefore REJOICE, YE HEAVENS, AND YE THAT DWELL IN THEM (i.e., at Mid-Trib). Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time" (i.e., the shortened Great Tribulation).

Dan 12:1 says, "And at that time (i.e., Mid-Trib) shall MICHAEL stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be (i.e., after Mid-Trib) a time of trouble (i.e., the Great Tribulation), such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time (i.e., Mid-Trib, when Michael stands up) thy people shall be delivered (malat, leap out, escape, i.e., be raptured), every one that shall be found written in the book."

THERE ARE TWO COME UP HITHERS, ONE MID-TRIB, THE OTHER ON THE DAY OF THE LORD AT THE END OF THE GREAT TRIBULATION

THE FIRST "COME UP HITHER" IS THE FIRST-TRUMP RAPTURE OF ITH 4:16,17

Rev 4:1 says, "After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, COME UP HITHER."

Rev 10:11 says, "And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy AGAIN before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings."

So the next verse goes back to the First-Trump Rapture at Mid-Trib.

Rev 11:1-3 says, "And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, RISE (i.e., in the First-Trump Rapture about Mid-Trib), and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein. 2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months (i.e., during the Great Tribulation that will be shortened). 3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses (Moses and Elijah that arrived Mid-Trib), and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth."

THE LAST "COME UP HITHER" IS THE LAST-TRUMP RAPTURE OF ICOR 15:51-54

Rev 11:12,13 says, "And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, COME UP HITHER. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them. 13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven."

THE FIRST-TRUMP RAPTURE TAKES PLACE AT THE TIME OF FIRSTRIPE GRAPES

The SECRET OF THE STAIRS in Song of Solomon 2:10-15 says, "My beloved spake, and said unto me, Rise up, my love, my fair one, and come away. 11 For, lo, the winter is past, the rain is over and gone (i.e., Nisan is over); 12 The flowers appear on the earth (i.e., April showers bring May flowers); the time of the singing of birds is come, and the voice of the turtle (i.e., turtledove, which comes in April and leaves in October) is heard in our land; 13 The fig tree putteth forth her green figs, and the vines with the tender grape give a good smell. Arise, my love, my fair one, and come away. 14 O my dove, that art in the clefts of the rock, in the secret places (i.e., places is not in the original) of the stairs, let me see thy countenance, let me hear thy voice; for sweet is thy voice, and thy countenance is comely. 15 Take us the foxes, the little foxes, that spoil the vines: for our vines have tender grapes."

Isa 18:3-6 says, "All ye inhabitants of the world, and dwellers on the earth, see ye, when he lifteth up an ensign (i.e., the UN flag) on the mountains (i.e., countries); and when he bloweth a TRUMPET, hear ye. 4 For so the LORD said unto me, I will take my rest, and I will consider in my dwelling place like a clear heat upon herbs, and like a cloud of dew in the heat of harvest. 5 For afore the harvest, when the bud is perfect, and THE SOUR GRAPE IS RIPENING IN THE FLOWER, he shall both cut off the sprigs with pruning hooks, and take away and cut down the branches. 6 They (i.e., the branches with no fruit, the Laodiceans) shall be left together unto the fowls of the mountains, and to the beasts of the earth: and the fowls shall SUMMER upon them, and all the beasts of the earth shall WINTER upon them."

I think the First-Trump Rapture was played out for us when the Christians, including the disciples, fled Jerusalem and went to Pella, meaning marvel of God and defensible citadel on a cliff, on Pentecost in 66 AD. Next Pentecost will be Sunday, June 12, 2016 in the Jubilee Year.

Remember, Josephus told us about the miraculous signs that took place in 66 AD. The Shekinah Glory even left the Temple and hovered over the Mt. of Olives 3.5 years before the Temple was burned.

I think the Tribulation started March 19, 2013, when this Pope was chosen.

He said:
"God is not a divine being or a magician."
..."the Christian who does not feel that Mary is his or her mother is an orphan."
"The Lord has redeemed all of us, all of us, with the blood of Christ: all of us, not just Catholics. Everyone! 'Father, the atheists?' Even the atheists. Everyone!"

Mid-Trib would be Sept. 19, 2016.

May the Lord bless your studies. Agape

HIS REPLY

Thank you, Marilyn, for your response. I can't believe that you have changed your position from a pre-Trib Rapture to a Mid-Trib Rapture. I, too, believe in a Mid-Trib Rapture, in the Spring of 2019, but that will be the 2nd Rapture, not the 1st Rapture. The Tribulation has not yet begun, but we have EVERY reason to expect it to begin anytime from 9/11/15 to 11/11/15. EVERY puzzle piece fits perfectly, with the Tribulation beginning this Fall. There very well may be a stock market collapse this Friday, on 9/11, or on Monday, Sept. 14th, on Feast of Trumpets, and when it happens, it will be much worse than the collapses of 2001 and 2008, both in September.

Soon, and very soon, we will be with King Jesus FOREVER (and you will be with your beloved husband also)!

Maranatha! Ron

MY REPLY

I was well steeped in Pre-Trib by R.B. Thieme and all the books I read for 7 years from BIOLA's Seminary Collection.

However, one day, I was explaining how Revelation was organized when I caught on to what Rev 10:11 meant. I think the Lord had something to do with that, because it just flew into my brain.

It says, "And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy AGAIN before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings."

Therefore, the "RISE" in Rev. 11:1 is the same as the "COME UP HITHER" of Rev. 4:1, and it has to be Mid-Trib, because the 42-month Great Tribulation follows.

Rev 11:1-3 says, "And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, RISE, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein. 2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot FORTY AND TWO MONTHS. 3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth."

Then I read Rev 13:5-9. It says, "And there was given unto him (i.e., the beast, Antichrist) a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months (i.e., the first half of the Tribulation). 6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and THEM THAT DWELL IN HEAVEN (i.e., THE FIRST-TRUMP RAPTURE OF THE WISE VIRGINS JUST TOOK PLACE DURING THE RULE OF THE ANTICHRIST; THAT'S DURING THE FIRST HALF OF THE TRIBULATION). 7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints (i.e., the foolish virgins left behind), and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. 8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. 9 IF ANY MAN HAVE AN EAR, LET HIM HEAR."

I now have an ear to hear. The False Prophet doesn't come up until Mid-Trib.

Rev 13:11 says, "And I beheld another beast (i.e., Satan) coming up out of the earth (i.e., Mid-Trib, Rev. 12, and he went into the False Prophet, the last son of perdition, Rev. 17:11); and he (i.e., Satan) had two horns (i.e., 2 comings to power, in Judas Iscariot and in the False Prophet) like a lamb (i.e., Jesus), and he (i.e., the Satan-possessed False Prophet) spake as a dragon."

The "COME UP HITHER" of Rev. 4:1 and the "RISE" of Rev. 11:1 are the First-Trump Rapture of I Th 4:16,17. There is no earthquake.

The "COME UP HITHER" of Rev 11:12 is the Last-Trump Rapture of I Cor 15:51-54. There is an earthquake that day, the great and terrible Day of the Lord.

Rev 11:12,13 says, "And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them (i.e., Moses and Elijah), COME UP HITHER. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them. 13 And the same hour was there A GREAT EARTHQUAKE, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven."

All saints caught up in the two Raptures become actually immortal at the last trump on the Day of the Lord.

1Co 15:51-54 says, "Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory."

Rev 10:7 says, "But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets."

Rev 11:15-19 says, "And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. 16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, 17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come (i.e., the Second Advent is still future); because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. 18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged (i.e., at the JUDGMENT SEAT OF CHRIST), and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth. 19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an EARTHQUAKE, and great hail."

Rev 14:7,8 says, "Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his JUDGMENT is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters. 8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication."

Rev 16:16-21 says, "And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon. 17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done. 18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great EARTHQUAKE, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great. 19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath. 20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found. 21 And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great."

Next come the Marriage of the Lamb, followed by the Marriage Supper of the Lamb, in Heaven.

Rev 19:1-9 says, "And after these things I heard a great voice of much people IN HEAVEN, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God: 2 For true and righteous are his judgments: for he hath judged the great whore, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand. 3 And again they said, Alleluia. And her smoke rose up for ever and ever. 4 And the four and twenty elders and the four beasts fell down and worshipped God that sat on the throne, saying, Amen; Alleluia. 5 And a voice came out of the throne, saying, Praise our God, all ye his servants, and ye that fear him, both small and great. 6 And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth. 7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. 8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints. 9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb."

The Second Advent and Armageddon follows.

Rev 19:11-14 says, "And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. 12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. 13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. 14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean."

Rev 19:19,20 says, "And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army. 20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet".

Rev 20:2 says, "And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years".

Rev 20:10 says, "And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever."

If this Pope is the Antichrist, and he said, "God is not divine," the Tribulation probably began when he was chosen on 3, 13, 13.

March 13 is Ed's brother's birthday. Since our son David's birthday is on Crucifixion Day and our daughter's birthday is on the SECOND day of Pentecost in 30 AD, I pay attention to things like that.

I am expecting the First-Trump Rapture on next Pentecost. That will be the SECOND fulfillment of Pentecost, and it will be in the Jubilee Year.

When Ed came to see me in his celestial body, I asked him if we could be together forever. He said, "Yes." Wonderful! As you know, I'm sure looking forward to that. When he was on board ship coming home from Japan after WWII, he prayed for a Christian wife. The Lord pulled off several miracles to get this Indiana girl and Tennessee boy together. We are so well suited to each other that we were together 65 years without a fight.

The Lord has sure been good to me. Lately, I have to thank him for my good eyesight. After almost going blind, having two cataracts removed, laser treatments in both eyes, and two sets of glasses, both computer and driving, I can now see better than I think I have ever seen in my life. I have no problem with the computer, and TV is better than I could have ever imagined. Not only are colors bright, black is really black, not a shade of gray as before.

The reason I had to have a second set of glasses was his doing. I looked from the TV to Ed's pictures on the dresser, and something terrible happened to my eyesight. I couldn't see the pictures. Terrified, I prayed in my mind, "Lord, make my eyes focus together!" He did, instantly. Thus, I could see good with those computer glasses on, but when I wore my driving glasses to Winco Foods (Dave drove), I couldn't even read a single label. Agape

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