Pro and Con 1885

Posted 10-20-15

GOD'S UNUSUAL LILY

INCOMING EMAIL: RE: THIS PROPHECY IS FULFILLED !

Daniel 9:27 (King James Bible)
"He shall make it desolate."

The word "it" means 'land of Israel' , and the word "desolate" means 'deserted'. This prophecy was fulfilled 2,000 years ago by the dispersion of the Hebrew people, from out of the land of Israel, into the nations making "Israel desolate", or deserted, subsequent to their rejection and crucifixion of their Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.

The land of Israel remained "desolate", or deserted, for 2,000 years until May 14, 1948 when God restored the Jews, once again, to their covenant land as a nation.

Therefore the "he" in Daniel 9:27 is the crucified and risen Lord Jesus Christ, Himself . To say otherwise is blasphemy !

MY REPLY

We had a thunderstorm last night, and one blast was really close. We are without phone, TV and Internet. A technician is coming in the morning.

> > the "he" in Daniel 9:27 is the crucified and risen Lord Jesus Christ

Dan. 9:26,27 (Septuagint) says, "And after the sixty-two weeks, the anointed one (i.e., Jesus) shall be destroyed (i.e., crucified), and there is no judgment in him: and he (i.e., Jesus) shall destroy the city (i.e., Jerusalem) and the sanctuary (i.e., the Temple) with THE PRINCE THAT IS COMING: they (i.e., the Romans) shall be cut off with a flood, and to the end of the war which is rapidly completed (i.e., in 70 AD) he (i.e., the Roman) shall appoint the city to desolations. 27 And one week (i.e., THE ROMAN MAN OF SIN) shall establish the covenant with many: and in the midst of the week MY (i.e., Jesus') SACRIFICE AND DRINK-OFFERING SHALL BE TAKEN AWAY (i.e., by the Roman False Prophet, THE SON OF PERDITION): and on the temple shall be the abomination of desolations; and at the end of the time (i.e., on the Day of the Lord at the end of the Great Tribulation) an end shall be put to the desolation."

Believe what you will, to me Dan 9:27 is talking about the Roman man of sin, the son of perdition, the False Prophet, as opposed to Jesus, whose "sacrifice and drink-offering shall be taken away".

2Th 2:1-4 (KJV) says, "Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ (i.e., should be day of the Lord, as in the Siniatic, Vatican and Alexandrian Codices) is at hand. 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away (i.e., should be DEPARTING, the First-Trump Rapture, as in the Geneva Bible) FIRST, and that MAN OF SIN be revealed, the SON OF PERDITION; 4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God."

2Th 2:6-9 says, "And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. 7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. 8 And THEN SHALL THAT WICKED BE REVEALED, WHOM THE LORD SHALL CONSUME WITH THE SPIRIT OF HIS MOUTH, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 9 EVEN HIM, WHOSE COMING IS AFTER THE WORKING OF SATAN with all power and signs and lying wonders".

THE FIRST-TRUMP RAPTURE WILL BE IN THE SPRING, "IN THE TIME OF TROUBLE"

Son_2:12,13 says, "The flowers appear on the earth; the time of the singing of birds is come, and the voice of the turtle (lit., turtledove) is heard in our land; 13 The fig tree putteth forth her green figs, and the vines with the TENDER GRAPE give a good smell. Arise, my love, my fair one, and come away."

Tender grapes do not appear until June, therefore the First-Trump Rapture will probably take place on Pentecost, June 12, 2016.

Psa_27:5 says, "For IN THE TIME OF TROUBLE (i.e., about Mid-Trib) he shall hide me in his pavilion (sok, tabernacle) : in the secret of his tabernacle (ohel, tent, dwelling place) shall he hide me; he shall set me up upon a rock."

Rev 13:5,6 says, "And there was given unto him (i.e., Antichrist) a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months (i.e., until Mid-Trib). 6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and THEM THAT DWELL IN HEAVEN."

Dan 12:1 says, "And at that time (i.e., Mid-Trib) shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble (i.e., the Great Tribulation), such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time (i.e., Mid-Trib) thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book."

Rev 12:6-12 says, "And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place (i.e., Petra) prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days (i.e., the last half of the Tribulation). 7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, 8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. 9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. 10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now (arti, just now, this day or hour) is come salvation (soteria, rescue, deliverance, i.e., the First-Trump Rapture), and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. 11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. 12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time" (i.e., the shortened Great Tribulation).

Dan 7:24-26 says, "And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another (i.e., the False Prophet) shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first (i.e., the Antichrist), and he shall subdue three kings. 25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time (i.e., 3.5 years, the Great Tribulation). 26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end."

2Co_5:10 says, "For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad."

Psa_37:39 says, "But the salvation of the righteous is of the LORD: he is their strength IN THE TIME OF TROUBLE."

Isa 18:3-7 says, "All ye inhabitants of the world, and dwellers on the earth, see ye, when he lifteth up an ensign on the mountains; and when he bloweth a trumpet, hear ye. 4 For so the LORD said unto me, I will take my rest, and I will consider in my dwelling place like a clear heat upon herbs, and like a cloud of dew in the heat of harvest. 5 For afore the harvest, when the bud is perfect, and the sour grape is ripening in the flower, he shall both cut off the sprigs with pruning hooks, and take away and cut down the branches. 6 They shall be left together unto the fowls of the mountains, and to the beasts of the earth: and the fowls shall summer upon them, and all the beasts of the earth shall winter upon them. 7 In that time shall the present be brought unto the LORD of hosts of a people scattered and peeled, and from a people terrible from their beginning hitherto; a nation meted out and trodden under foot, whose land the rivers have spoiled, to the place of the name of the LORD of hosts, the mount Zion."

Isa_33:2 O LORD, be gracious unto us; we have waited for thee: be thou their arm every morning, OUR SALVATION ALSO IN THE TIME OF TROUBLE."

Psa_41:1 says, "Blessed is he that considereth the poor: the LORD WILL DELIVER HIM IN TIME OF TROUBLE."

The time of trouble is the Tribulation. The secret of his tabernacle is that the porch outside with the Brazen Sea and Altar represents Earth, the double-cube Holy Place represents Mars and Jupiter, and the Holy of Holies cube represents the third Heaven, Saturn.

Exo_26:1 says, "Moreover thou shalt make the tabernacle with ten curtains of fine twined linen, and blue, and purple, and scarlet: with cherubims of cunning work shalt thou make them."

Eze 1:15 says, "Now as I beheld the living (i.e., lively) creatures, behold one wheel (i.e., orbit) upon the EARTH by the living creatures, with his four faces." Earth faces four directions.

2Co 12:2-4 says, "I knew a man in Christ (i.e., Paul himself, he didn't want to boast) above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven (i.e., 1. Mars, 2. Jupiter, and 3. Saturn). 3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) 4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter."

Rev_2:7 says, "He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God." Agape

INCOMING EMAIL, RE: WE KNOW THAT THE 50th YEAR FOLLOWING THE 49TH YEAR IS THE JUBILEE

Therefore, if the year 1966 was a 49th Sabbatical year that it was followed by the 50th year 1967 as the Jubilee Year

We all know that in 1967 Jerusalem was returned ,by God, to the possession of Israel after 2,000 years - A VERY BIG DEAL !!!

Now if 1966 was a 49th Sabbatical year, as I believe it was, then 1966 + 49 years = the year 2015 is also a 49th Sabbatical year, which makes the following 50th year of 2016 a Jubilee Year ! The Jubilee Year begins on Nisan 1, 2016 which is also the New Moon over Jerusalem on April 7, 2016

MY REPLY

I agree with you on this.

We got heavy rain. Northern Los Angeles was flooded. Even Hiway 5 was closed.

Lightning ruined pretty much everything in the box that brings in our TV, Internet and Phone. The whole box had to be replaced. I am now back online. Thank you Lord.

Before I had a small stroke, I couldn't see Ed's pictures well, and had no understanding why. Today, I see them really well. Therefore, I will have more warning if another stroke approaches, and can take an aspirin. Agape

INCOMING EMAIL, RE: "THE KING OF THE NORTH SHALL COME LIKE A WHIRLWIND" Daniel 11:40

When the "King of the North" , who is Putin of Russia - aka Gog , "comes like a whirlwind" with his Magog Army against the nation of Israel, the rapture soon follows, AFTER the Gog-Magog War of those days, according to the following Scripture:

Matthew 24:29-31
"Immediately AFTER the tribulation (the Gog-Magog War) of those days .............." the rapture happens according to Matthew 24:30-31.

Luke 21:28
"When you see these things BEGIN to happen (in Israel) then look-up and lift up your heads, because your redemption (rapture) draws near."

Watch for these things "begin to happen" in Israel on and soon AFTER the Spring Equinox in Israel March 18, 2016.

MY REPLY

> > Matthew 24:29-31
"Immediately AFTER the tribulation (the Gog-Magog War) of those days .............." the rapture happens according to Matthew 24:30-31.

That Rapture, of I Cor 15:51-54, is the Last-Trump Rapture. It takes place on the Day of the Lord at the end of the shortened Great Tribulation.

The First-Trump Rapture, of I Th 4:16,17, takes place about Mid-Trib.

> > Watch for these things "begin to happen" in Israel on and soon AFTER the Spring Equinox in Israel March 18, 2016.

I'm watching for the first Rapture to take place on Pentecost, June 12, 2016.

Why then? There have to be tender grapes.

Son 2:10-13 says, "My beloved spake, and said unto me, Rise up, my love, my fair one, and come away. 11 For, lo, the winter is past, the rain (i.e., of Nisan) is over and gone; 12 The flowers appear on the earth; the time of the singing of birds is come, and the voice of the turtle (lit., turtledove, they come in April and leave in October) is heard in our land; 13 The fig tree putteth forth her green figs, and the vines with the tender grape give a good smell. Arise, my love, my fair one, and come away." Agape

INCOMING EMAIL, RE: THE 1,260 DAYS / 42 MONTHS OF SATAN'S AUTHORITY IN REVELATION

Day of Palms Nisan 10, 2016 |-------1,260 days--------| Tishri 1, 2019 Feast of Trumpets

Day of Palms April 16, 2016 |-------1,260 days--------| Sept 29, 2019 Feast of Trumpets

Revelation 12:6

Revelation 13:5

2 Thessalonians 2:8 "......the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth, AND DESTROY WITH THE BRIGHTNESS OF HIS COMING."

Do you not understand that these aforementioned Scriptures tell us that the coming of the Lord, to destroy Satan, comes at the end of the 1,260 days of Satan's authority on the Feast of Trumpets ? Now look at when the 1,260 days begins !

MY REPLY

Don't forget that the 1260-day Great Tribulation is to be shortened. Agape

MY REPLY TO AN INCOMING EMAIL

> > But the "Great Tribulation" will be more, much more than Satan's anger against the Jews and those who confess Christ after the Rapture. This period is the time of God's wrath.

Please check up on that. The wrath of Satan takes place during the Great Tribulation, not the wrath of God. The Day of God's Wrath is on the Day of the Lord at the end of the Great Tribulation. It is the day of the second Rapture, the Last-Trump Rapture of I Cor. 15:51-54. The First-Trump Rapture takes place about Mid-Trib.

"IF ANY MAN HAVE AN EAR, LET HIM HEAR"

Rev 13:5-9 says, "And there was given unto him (i.e., Antichrist, the first beast) a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months (i.e., until Mid-Trib when the False Prophet takes over). 6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and THEM THAT DWELL IN HEAVEN (i.e., the First-Trump Rapture of the wise virgins just took place). 7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints (i.e., the foolish virgins left behind), and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. 8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. 9 If any man have an ear, let him hear."

Rev 6:12,17 says, "And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood... 17 For THE GREAT DAY OF HIS WRATH IS COME; and who shall be able to stand?"

Rev 7:14 says, "These are they which came out of GREAT TRIBULATION, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb."

Col 3:4-6 says, "When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory. 5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry: 6 For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience".

Rev 14:7-10 says "with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for THE HOUR OF HIS JUDGMENT IS COME: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters. 8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication. 9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, 10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb".

Rev_14:19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God."

Rev 15:1-3 says, "And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God. 2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God. 3 And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints."

Rev 16:1-5 says, "And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth. 2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image. 3 And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea. 4 And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters; and they became blood. 5 And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus."

Rev 16:16-19 says, "And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon. 17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done. 18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great. 19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of HIS WRATH."

Rev 18:21 says, "And a mighty angel took up a stone (i.e., the asteroid Wormwood, Rev. 8:11) like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all." Agape

HIS REPLY

Somebody has mislead you! We have many article that prove conclusively that the Rapture is Pre Tribulation. Why are people allowing the devil to destroy the Truth in their life. The spirit of understanding truth is lost because of careless prayer life. Satan hate the truth!!! Blessings Joseph

MY REPLY

Show me scriptural proof of your position. No one misled me. It came clear to me when I was answering an email.

I believed in the Pre-Trib Rapture from 1960 until lately. I read a stack of books from the Seminary Collection at BIOLA, La Mirada, CA, campus, every week for 7 years. I attended Rolling Hills (CA) Covenant Church when Chuck Swindoll was pastor, and Calvary Church of Santa Ana, when David Hocking was pastor. But, I recently found Scripture that told me it was Mid-Trib. I have to believe Scripture over BIOLA and Dallas Theological Seminary.

Rev 4:1 says, "After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, COME UP HITHER, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter."

Rev 10:11 says, "And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy AGAIN before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings."

Therefore, the "RISE" in Rev. 11:1 is the same as the "COME UP HITHER" in Rev. 4:1, and it is Mid-Trib, when Moses and Elijah come to Earth.

Rev. 11:1-3 says, "And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, RISE, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein. 2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot FORTY AND TWO MONTHS. 3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy A THOUSAND TWO HUNDRED AND THREESCORE DAYS (i.e., the last half of the Tribulation), clothed in sackcloth."

There are only about 42 months between the two Raptures.

The First-Trump Rapture of I Thess 4:16,17 is at the beginning of the Great Tribulation. No one actually becomes immortal until the last Rapture. The Last-Trump Rapture of I Cor 15:51-54 is at the end of the Great Tribulation.

Num 10:1-4 says, "And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 2 Make thee two trumpets of silver; of a whole piece shalt thou make them: that thou mayest use them for the calling of the assembly, and for the journeying of the camps. 3 And when they shall blow with them (i.e., both), all the assembly shall assemble themselves to thee at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation. 4 And if they blow but with one trumpet, then the princes (i.e., the elders of Rev. 4:4), which are heads of the thousands of Israel, shall gather themselves unto thee."

THE FIRST RAPTURE

1Th 4:16-18 says, "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words."

THE LAST RAPTURE, ALL SAINTS, INCLUDING PAUL, ACTUALLY BECOME IMMORTAL

1Co 15:51-54 says, "Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory."

Rev 11:12,13 says, "And they (i.e., Moses and Elijah) heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, COME UP HITHER. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them. 13 And the same hour was there a great EARTHQUAKE, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven."

There is no earthquake at the first Rapture. There is a great earthquake at the last Rapture. Satan's asteroid Wormwood will impact Earth and destroy Babylon near the Euphrates.

Rev 8:10,11 says, "And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star (aster) from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters; 11 And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter."

Rev 18:21 says, "And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all."

Isa 22:16-19 says, "What hast thou here? (i.e., Babylon) and whom hast thou here (i.e., the False Prophet), that thou hast hewed thee out a sepulchre here, as he (i.e., Satan) that heweth him out a sepulchre on high, and that graveth an habitation for himself in a rock? 17 Behold, the LORD will carry thee away with a mighty captivity, and will surely cover thee. 18 He will surely violently turn and toss thee like a ball into a large country: there shalt thou die, and there the chariots of thy glory shall be the shame of thy lord's house. 19 And I will drive thee from thy station, and from thy state shall he pull thee down."

Michael and his angels throw Satan and his angels out of Heaven Mid-Trib. We are caught up to Heaven Mid-Trib.

Rev 12:6-12 says, "And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place (i.e., PETRA) prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days (i.e., during the Great Tribulation). 7 And there was war in heaven: MICHAEL and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, 8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. 9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. 10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now (arti, just now) is come salvation (soteria, rescue, deliverance, i.e., the first Rapture), and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. 11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. 12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time" (i.e., the shortened Great Tribulation).

Dan 12:1-3 says, "And at that time (i.e., Mid-Trib) shall MICHAEL stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble (i.e., the Great Tribulation), such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered (malat, escape, leap out) every one that shall be found written in the book. 2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. 3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever." Agape

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