Pro and Con 1887

Posted 10-30-15

MESSAGE FROM DR. OWUOR IN INCOMING EMAIL FROM NANSINGS@aol.com, 10-30-15

"Transcript - starting at about 2 mins. into the video, Dr. Owuor says:

"I am speaking to all the nations that tune into this ministry: TIME IS OVER! I want to make this very, very, very clear: "TIME IS OVER!!!" The Lord has spoke[n] with me that time is over. Now each person needs to prepare for the coming of the Lord.

"Again, the LORD has spoke[n] with me that time is over and that at any moment the Church *might be taken. (*Note: This is the only instance where he uses the term "might." The rest of the time he speaks definitively; i.e., "will.")

"All the listeners on this radio, all of the caring Christians: The LORD has spoke[n] with me this night (09-28/29-15), that time is now over, time is finished now, and at any moment now He will take the Church.

"Again, I want to repeat this, the LORD has spoke[n] with me that at any moment He will take the Church. The Rapture will now take place at any moment. [bold emphasis added]

"May those that have ears "REFINE THEIR SALVATION," THAT THEY MAY ENTER!

"MAY THOSE WHO ARE STUBBORN AND DISOBEDIENT TO THE LORD, "STAY PUT IN COMPLACENCY."

"Again, the LORD spoke to me tonight that now *time (i.e., the *church age spanning the last 2,000 years) is over. He is now going to take the Church.

"Shalom."

MY REPLY

The Rapture any time soon sounds great. Next Pentecost, Sun. June 12, 2016, seems most likely to me. It is in the Jubilee Year, which seems like something the Lord would do.

According to Rev 13:5-9, the First-Trump Rapture will be about Mid-Trib.

It says, "And there was given unto him (i.e., the first beast, Antichrist) a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months (i.e., the first half of the Tribulation). 6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and THEM THAT DWELL IN HEAVEN. 7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints (i.e., the Laodicean foolish virgins left behind), and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. 8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. 9 If any man have an ear, let him hear."

The False Prophet will come to power Mid-Trib.

Rev 13:11 says, "And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon."

To me, the Tribulation began 3-13-13, when this Pope was chosen.

He said. "When we read about Creation in Genesis, we run the risk of imagining God was a magician, with a magic wand able to do everything - but that is not so.

"He created human beings and let them develop according to the internal laws that he gave to each one so they would reach their fulfillment.

"He gave autonomy to the beings of the universe at the same time at which he assured them of his continuous presence, giving being to every reality, and so creation continued for centuries and centuries, millennia and millennia, until it became which we know today, precisely because God is not a demiurge or a magician, but the creator who gives being to all things.

He also said, "GOD IS NOT A DIVINE BEING or a magician, but the Creator who brought everything to life. Evolution in nature is not inconsistent with the notion of creation, because evolution requires the creation of beings that evolve." (emphasis mine)

He also said, "The Lord has redeemed all of us, all of us, with the Blood of Christ: all of us, not just Catholics. Everyone! 'Father, the atheists?' Even the atheists. Everyone!"

WHAT DOES THE BIBLE SAY?

Joh 3:16-18 says, "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but HE THAT BELIEVETH NOT IS CONDEMNED ALREADY, BECAUSE HE HATH NOT BELIEVED IN THE NAME OF THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD."

Rom 10:9-13 says, "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. 12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. 13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved."

MY REPLY TO AN INCOMING EMAIL, OMITTED BECAUSE OF THE LENGTH

> > Revelation 3
> > 10 because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

The "hour of temptation" is when one has to choose whether or not to take the Mark of the Beast. That comes in the Great Tribulation, the last half of the Tribulation, when the False Prophet is in power. The Philadelphian Church will be in Heaven by Mid-Trib, but Laodicea and some of the Church of Thyatira will be left behind to be tested during the Great Tribulation.

Rev 2:18-22 says, "And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass; 19 I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last to be more than the first. 20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols. 21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not. 22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery (i.e., join) with her into GREAT TRIBULATION, except they repent of their deeds."

> > To suggest that God the Father will deny 6000 years of history and judge the church in the same horrible hour as the wicked doesn't fit His character. The nature of the tribulation period (The final judgment of man's rebellion) makes that suggestion even less likely.

The first half of the Tribulation is not judgment on the church at the same hour as the wicked. The wicked will be judged on the Day of the Lord at the end of the Great Tribulation.

> > When the antediluvian world reached it's zenith of debauchery and the Father was ready to pour out His wrath, Noah found grace (unmerited favor) in His eyes. Noah's family was saved while the rest of mankind was completely obliterated. (The law of first mention makes this event a powerful factor.) This clearly shows how grossly incorrect the present false hope that all babies and children of the unsaved multitudes are going to be raptured. We must warn unsaved parents to get right with God for the sake of their children.

There are two Raptures, the First-Trump Rapture of I Th 4:16,17 and the Last-Trump Rapture of I Cor 15:51-54.

Of the Last-Trump Rapture, Joe_2:16 says, "Gather the people, sanctify the congregation, assemble the elders, GATHER THE CHILDREN, AND THOSE THAT SUCK THE BREASTS: let the bridegroom go forth of his chamber, and the bride out of her closet."

> > The Church Is To Be Judged Before The Wicked World Is Judged

The Church will be judged Mid-Trib. The Philadelphians will be caught up in the First-Trump Rapture. The Laodiceans and some of the Church of Thyatira will be left behind to endure the Great Tribulation. Those deserving it will be caught up in the last Rapture at the end of the Great Tribulation.

> > 4. His Absolute Promise To Keep His Faithful Bride From The Hour Of Tribulation

The Bride of Christ will be raptured Mid-Trib, and therefore will be kept out of the Great Tribulation.

"THEM THAT DWELL IN HEAVEN"

Rev 13:5-9 says, "And there was given unto him (i.e., the beast, the Antichrist) a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months (i.e., the first half of the Tribulation). 6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and THEM THAT DWELL IN HEAVEN. 7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints (i.e., the foolish virgins left behind), and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. 8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. 9 If any man have an ear, let him hear."

The Satan-possessed False Prophet comes to power Mid-Trib, when Satan and his fallen angels are cast out of heaven.

Rev 13:11 says, "And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon."

Rev 12:6-12 says, "And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place (i.e., Petra) prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days (i.e., during the Great Tribulation). 7 And there was war in heaven (i.e., Mid-Trib): MICHAEL and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, 8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. 9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. 10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now (arti, JUST NOW, THIS DAY, i.e., not before the Tribulation, but Mid-Trib) is come salvation (soteria, rescue, deliverance, safety, i.e., the First-Trump Rapture), and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. 11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. 12 Therefore REJOICE, YE HEAVENS, AND YE THAT DWELL IN THEM (i.e., among them, the Philadelphian Church). Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time."

The time that is to be shortened or no flesh would be saved is the Great Tribulation.

Dan 12:1 agrees with Rev. 12. It says, "And AT THAT TIME (i.e., Mid-Trib) shall MICHAEL stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be (i.e., after Mid-Trib) a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time (i.e., the Great Tribulation): and AT THAT TIME (i.e., Mid-Trib) THY PEOPLE SHALL BE DELIVERED (malat, escape, leap out, i.e., be raptured), EVERY ONE THAT SHALL BE FOUND WRITTEN IN THE BOOK."

This group is caught up to Heaven Mid-Trib. The Great Tribulation follows.

> > 5. The Pre-Tribulation Rapture Is The Only Reasonable Explanation Of A Time When Some Are Taken And Some Left

Luke 12:46 says, The lord of that servant (i.e., the unfaithful one) will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion (meros, division, i.e., the Great Tribulation) with the unbelievers."

Mat 24:51 adds, "And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion (meros, division, i.e., the Great Tribulation) with the hypocrites (i.e., pretenders): there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

Mat 22:11-14 says, "And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment: 12 And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless. 13 Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 14 For many are called, but few are chosen."

Rev 17:10-14 says, "And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. 11 And the beast (i.e., Satan) that was (i.e., in Judas Iscariot), and is not (i.e., in man now), even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition (i.e., Satan goes into the False Prophet). 12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. 13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast. 14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and THEY THAT ARE WITH HIM ARE CALLED, AND CHOSEN, AND FAITHFUL."

> > 7. The Law Of The Farmer Demands That The Harvest Be Gathered Before The Winter Begins

I think the First-Trump Rapture will take place at Pentecost, when there are firstripe grapes.

Son 2:10-15 says, "My beloved spake, and said unto me, Rise up, my love, my fair one, and come away. 11 For, lo, the winter is past, the rain is over and gone; 12 The flowers appear on the earth; the time of the singing of birds is come, and the voice of the turtle is heard in our land; 13 The fig tree putteth forth her green figs, and the vines with the tender grape give a good smell. Arise, my love, my fair one, and come away. 14 O my dove, that art in the clefts of the rock, in the secret places of the stairs, let me see thy countenance, let me hear thy voice; for sweet is thy voice, and thy countenance is comely. 15 Take us the foxes, the little foxes, that spoil the vines: for our vines have tender grapes."

Isa 18:3-7 says, "All ye inhabitants of the world, and dwellers on the earth, see ye, when he lifteth up an ensign (i.e., the UN flag) on the mountains (i.e., kingdoms); and when he bloweth a trumpet (i.e., at the First-Trump Rapture), hear ye. 4 For so the LORD said unto me, I will take my rest, and I will consider in my dwelling place like a clear heat upon herbs, and like a cloud of dew in the heat of harvest. 5 For afore the harvest, when the bud is perfect, and THE SOUR GRAPE IS RIPENING IN THE FLOWER, he shall both cut off the sprigs with pruning hooks, and take away and cut down the branches. 6 They (i.e., the branches with no fruit) shall be left together unto the fowls of the mountains, and to the beasts of the earth: and the fowls shall SUMMER upon them, and all the beasts of the earth shall winter upon them. 7 In that time shall the present be brought unto the LORD of hosts of a people scattered and peeled, and from a people terrible from their beginning hitherto; a nation meted out and trodden under foot, whose land the rivers have spoiled, to the place of the name of the LORD of hosts, the mount Zion."

> > Conclusion...I contend that the Rapture must transpire before the tribulation can begin.

I think the First-Trump Rapture will take place before the Great Tribulation will begin. Rev. 13:5-11 showed me that it will be just before the False Prophet comes to power Mid-Trib.

Rev 13:5-11 says, "And there was given unto him (i.e., Antichrist) a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months (i.e., the first half of the Tribulation). 6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and THEM THAT DWELL IN HEAVEN (i.e., the wise virgins). 7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints (i.e., the foolish virgins left behind), and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. 8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. 9 If any man have an ear, let him hear. 10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints. 11 And I beheld another beast (i.e., the Satan-possessed False Prophet) coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon." Agape

INCOMING EMAIL, RE: THE REASON

The reason Satan goes after the Hebrew remnant woman, and NOT the church, when he first arrives on earth ( Rev 12:13-17 ) is because the Church is nowhere to be found on earth as the Church was previously raptured to heaven in ( Rev 12:10-12 ).

MY REPLY

The Antichrist will make war with the Laodicean Church that is left behind at the Mid-Trib Rapture though.

Rev 13:5-7 says, "And there was given unto him (i.e., Antichrist) a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months (i.e., the first half of the Tribulation). 6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and THEM THAT DWELL IN HEAVEN (i.e., the Philadelphian Church who is caught up just before Mid-Trib). 7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints (i.e., the Laodicean foolish virgins left behind at the first rapture), and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations."

SPEAKING TO THE IDOL-WORSHIPING CHURCH IN THYATIRA (WHICH MEANS DOMINATING FEMALE) JUST BEFORE MID-TRIB, JESUS SAID,

(Rev 2:19-29) "I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last to be more than the first. 20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel (i.e., the Baal worshiping daughter of Ethbaal, king of Zidon), which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto IDOLS. 21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not. 22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery (i.e., join) with her into GREAT TRIBULATION, except they repent of their deeds. 23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works. 24 But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have not this doctrine, and which have not known the DEPTHS OF SATAN, as they speak; I will put upon you none other burden. 25 But that which ye have already hold fast till I come. 26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: 27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father. 28 And I will give him the morning star. 29 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches."

SPEAKING TO THE LUKEWARM CHURCH OF LAODICEA (MEANING JUDGMENT OF THE PEOPLE) JUST BEFORE MID-TRIB, JESUS SAID,

(Rev 3:15-19) "I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. 16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I WILL SPUE THEE OUT OF MY MOUTH. 17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked: 18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold (i.e., symbol of deity) tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see. 19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent."

Mat 25:1-12 says, "Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom. 2 And five of them were wise, and five were foolish. 3 They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them: 4 But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps. 5 While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept. 6 And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him. 7 Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps. 8 And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out. 9 But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves. 10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut. 11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us. 12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not."

The wise virgins will be caught up in the First-Trump Rapture of I Th 4:1617 at Mid-Trib. The foolish virgins will be caught up in the Last-Trump Rapture of I Cor 15:51-54 on the Day of the Lord at the end of the shortened Great Tribulation.

None of the saints will actually become immortal at the first Rapture. All the saints will actually become immortal at the last Rapture. Agape

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