Pro and Con 1895

Posted 12-3-15

INCOMING EMAIL, RE: THERE ARE TWO SEPARATE AND DISTINCT JUDGMENTS FROM GOD COMING SOON

The first judgment to come is called the "great tribulation" and also the "time of Jacob's trouble", BEFORE the rapture, because it is specific only to Israel. The rapture of the Church immediately follows the completion of the first judgment which is only upon Israel. The second judgment to come, AFTER the rapture, is called the "hour of temptation" ( Rev 3:10 ) which is upon the whole world including Israel.

THE FIRST JUDGMENT IS UPON ISRAEL BEFORE THE RAPTURE :

Jeremiah 30:7
"Alas for this day is GREAT , and none has been like it. It is THE TIME OF JACOB'S TROUBLE (tribulation) , yet he shall be saved from it."

Daniel 12:1-2
".....................and there shall be A TIME OF TROUBLE (tribulation) such as never was since there began to be a nation (Israel).....and AT THAT TIME thy people shall be delivered (raptured), everyone that shall be found written in the book ( of life), and many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall wake, some to everlasting life..."

Matthew 24:21-22
"For then shall be GREAT TRIBULATION such as was not from the beginning of the world to this time nor shall be."

THE RAPTURE OF THE WORLD-WIDE CHRISTIAN CHURCH HAPPENS "IMMEDIATELY AFTER" GOD'S GREAT TRIBULATION OF ISRAEL :

Matthew 24:29-31
"Immediately AFTER THE TRIBULATION of those days (in Israel) ....THEN shall appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven .......and they shall see the Son of Man come in the clouds of heaven .......and He shall send His angels with the great sound of a trumpet, and they shall GATHER TOGETHER (rapture) His elect (Church)......"

Luke 21:28 & 31
"And when these things begin to happen (in Israel) look up and lift up your heads because you redemption (rapture) draws near. So likewise, when you see these things happening (in Israel) know that the Kingdom of God is near."

MY REPLY

> > THE FIRST JUDGMENT IS UPON ISRAEL BEFORE THE RAPTURE :
> > Jeremiah 30:7
> > "Alas for this day is GREAT , and none has been like it. It is THE TIME OF JACOB'S TROUBLE (tribulation) , yet he shall be saved from it."

THE DAY OF JACOB'S TROUBLE IS ONE DAY AT THE END OF THE GREAT TRIBULATION, THE SAME AS THE DAY OF THE LORD, THE DAY OF GOD'S WRATH, AND JESUS' LONG DAY, OF WHICH JOSHUA'S LONG DAY WAS A TYPE

The Day of Jacob's Trouble is also the day of the Last-Trump Rapture.

Jer_30:6-10 (KJV) says, "Ask ye now, and see whether a man doth travail with child? wherefore do I see every man with his hands on his loins, as a woman in travail, and all faces are turned into paleness? 7 Alas! for that DAY is great, so that NONE IS LIKE IT: IT IS EVEN THE TIME OF JACOB'S TROUBLE; BUT HE SHALL BE SAVED (yasha, rescued, i.e., raptured) OUT OF IT. 8 For it shall come to pass in that day, saith the LORD of hosts, that I will break his yoke from off thy neck, and will burst thy bonds, and strangers shall no more serve themselves of him: 9 But they shall serve the LORD their God, and David their king, whom I will raise up unto them. 10 Therefore fear thou not, O my servant Jacob, saith the LORD; neither be dismayed, O Israel: for, lo, I will save thee from afar, and thy seed from the land of their captivity; and Jacob shall return, and shall be in rest, and be quiet, and none shall make him afraid."

Jer 30:24 says, "The fierce ANGER OF THE LORD shall not return, until he have done it, and until he have performed the intents of his heart: in the latter days ye shall consider it."

Jer_46:10 says, "For this is the DAY OF THE LORD GOD of hosts, a day of vengeance, that he may avenge him of his adversaries: and the sword shall devour, and it shall be satiate and made drunk with their blood: for the Lord GOD of hosts hath a sacrifice in the north country by the river Euphrates."

Joe 1:14,15 says, "Sanctify ye a fast (i.e., The Day of Atonement), call a solemn assembly (i.e., on TABERNACLES), gather the elders and all the inhabitants of the land into the house of the LORD your God, and cry unto the LORD, 15 Alas for the day! for the DAY OF THE LORD IS AT HAND, AND AS A DESTRUCTION FROM THE ALMIGHTY SHALL IT COME."

No wonder they were to live in temporary booths.

Lev_23:36 says, "Seven days ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD: on the eighth day shall be an holy convocation (miqra, REHEARSAL) unto you; and ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD: it is a solemn assembly; and ye shall do no servile work therein."

Joe_2:31 says, "The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come."

The last total lunar eclipse of the Tetrad was on Tabernacles, Tishri 15, 5776, Mon. Sept. 28, 2015.

Tishri 15, 5777 will be Mon. Oct. 17, 2016.
Tishri 15, 5778 will be Thu. Oct. 5, 2017.
Tishri 15, 5779 will be Mon. Sept. 24, 2018.
Tishri 15, 5780 will be Mon. Oct. 14, 2019

2Pe_3:10 says, "But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up."

The First-Trump Rapture takes place Mid-Trib, before Jesus is given the seven-sealed Title Deed of the Earth. The Last-Trump Rapture takes place at the end of the shortened Great Tribulation.

Rev 6:12-17 says, "And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; 13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. 14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. 15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; 16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: 17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?"

The day of Jacob's trouble is the day Gog's army attacks Israel, the day the asteroid Wormwood destroys Babylon, and the day of the Last-Trump Rapture.

Rev 7:14,15 says, "And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, THESE ARE THEY WHICH CAME OUT OF GREAT TRIBULATION, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them."

> > Daniel 12:1-2
> > ".....................and there shall be A TIME OF TROUBLE (tribulation) such as never was since there began to be a nation (Israel).....and AT THAT TIME thy people shall be delivered (raptured), everyone that shall be found written in the book ( of life), and many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall wake, some to everlasting life..."

That is Mid-Trib, the time of the First-Trump Rapture.

Dan 12:1 says, "And at that time (i.e., Mid-Trib) shall MICHAEL stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be (i.e., after that) a time of trouble (i.e., the Great Tribulation), such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book."

Rev 12:6-12 says, "And the woman (i.e., Israel) fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place (i.e., Petra) prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days (i.e., during the Great Tribulation). 7 And there was war in heaven: MICHAEL and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, 8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. 9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. 10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now (arti, just now, i.e., at Mid-Trib) is come salvation (soteria, rescue, deliverance, i.e., the First-Trump Rapture), and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. 11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. 12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time" (i.e., the shortened Great Tribulation).

To me, the First-Trump Rapture of I Th 4:16,17 seems to be on Pentecost, and the Last-Trump Rapture of I Cor 15:51-54 seems to be on Tabernacles. That is why the Israelites were to go up to Jerusalem on Pentecost and Tabernacles.

> > The second judgment to come, AFTER the rapture, is called the "hour of temptation" ( Rev 3:10 ) which is upon the whole world including Israel.

The "hour of temptation" is during the Great Tribulation, when the False Prophet requires everyone to take the Mark of the Beast. If anyone takes it, they cannot be saved.

Rev_14:11 says, "And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name." Agape

THE TIME HAS COME FOR GOD TO REVEAL THE MESSIAH, SAYS JERUSALEM'S CHIEF RABBI

"By Rivkah Lambert Adler November 13, 2015
(https://www.breakingisraelnews.com/53767/the-time-has-come-for-god-to-reveal-the-messiah-says-jerusalems-chief-rabbi-jewish-world/#UbcydagDoguSohYk.97)

"In a surprisingly under-reported story, one of Jerusalem's chief rabbis, Rabbi Shlomo Amar issued a ruling on Monday that God must bring the messiah and expedite the ultimate redemption. The ruling was delivered during an all-night spiritual gathering of rabbis from the Chabad - Lubavitch movement and a recording of the moment was posted to YouTube (in Hebrew).

A COMMENT POSTED ON THAT SITE

"Bart Brown Mountain View, California

"When 2nd Thessalonians 4:13-18 kicks in and the Church is in heaven....Exactly where is this Heaven place?

I CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION RE: LOCATION OF HEAVEN, BUT I CANNOT POST MY ANSWER, BECAUSE I AM NOT ON FACEBOOK, AND HE NEEDS TO KNOW THIS, AND OTHER THINGS ABOUT CHRIST, BECAUSE HE IS NOT A BELIEVER. I HOPE SOMEONE ON FACEBOOK WILL HELP BART UNDERSTAND THAT JESUS IS OUR ONLY HOPE, OTHERWISE HELL AWAITS.

He also posted this: "Bart Brown - Mountain View, California "Pardon me but there was no "Jesus' Time", Jesus is a made up hoax. The Gospels tell you that. Real people are not born of virgins, nor is there a mountain from where you can see all the kingdoms of the earth. the NT is filled with flat earth malarkey ."

MY ANSWER ABOUT THE LOCATION OF HEAVEN

Eze 1:1 says, "...the heavens were opened, and I saw visions of God."

Ezekiel also saw the four terrestrial planets flying in concentric orbits around the Sun. One was the Earth.

Eze 1:15 says, "Now as I beheld the living (i.e., lively flying) creatures (i.e., creations), behold one wheel (i.e., orbit) upon the EARTH by the living creatures, with his four faces."

Eze 1:10 As for the likeness of their faces, they four had the face of a man, and the face of a lion, on the right side: and they four had the face of an ox on the left side; they four also had the face of an eagle."

Being four globes, the flying terrestial planets, Mercury, Venus, Earth and Mars each face four directions. As revealed by Clarence Larkin, these faces were on the compass points when Israel camped around the Tabernacle. The lion represented east. The man represented south. The ox represented west, and the eagle represented north.

Eze 1:26-28 says, "And above the firmament (i.e., expanse of space) that was over their heads (i.e., farther out in space than the four terrestrial planets) was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire (i.e., which means dear to the planet Saturn, from the Sanskrit shani, Saturn, and priya, dear) stone: and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man (i.e., the only man/God is Jesus) above upon it. 27 And I saw as the colour of amber (i.e., Saturn is the amber planet), as the appearance of fire round about within it, from the appearance of his loins (i.e., from the equator) even upward, and from the appearance of his loins even downward, I saw as it were the appearance of fire, and it had brightness (i.e., Saturn's rings) round about. 28 As the appearance of the bow (i.e., rainbow) that is in the cloud in the day of rain, so was the appearance of the brightness round about. This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the LORD" (i.e., the LORD Jesus Christ).

Rev_4:3 And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper (i.e., the last stone in the breastplate) and a sardine stone (i.e., the first stone in the breastplate, and Jesus is the first and the last): and THERE WAS A RAINBOW ROUND ABOUT THE THRONE (i.e., on Saturn), in sight like unto an emerald" (Judah's stone in the breastplate, and Jesus is the Lion of the tribe of Judah).

In Rev_1:11, Jesus said, "I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last".

In Rev 1:17, he said, "Fear not; I am the first and the last".

In Rev_2:8, he said, "And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive".

In Rev_22:13, he said, "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last."

Jesus, "the foundation of the LORD'S temple", was conceived on Kislev 24 (Haggai 2:19), 3756, and born 273 days later on the Feast of Trumpets, Tishri 1, Mon. Sept. 4, BC 5, Julian Day 1,454,028.

September's birthstone is the sapphire. Associated with the sign of Virgo, it stands for heaven, i.e., Saturn.

"In Sanskrit, this stone was known as 'Shanipriya' meaning 'dear to Saturn'....
"A link to the heavens and a symbol of intelligence and power; the Sapphire is one of the most regal gemstones, an ideal birthstone for the September- born."
(http://www.birthstonezodiac.com/birthstones/september-birthstone/) Agape

MY REPLY TO AN INCOMING EMAIL

> > "Additional Thoughts for Hanukkah"

> > 1) We all know that 21 fragments of the comet Shoemaker-Levy 9 began to collide with Jupiter from Av 9, 1994 for 7 days.
> > Av 9 was the day that the first and the second temple of God were destroyed because they were corrupted.
> > But what is the meaning that the collision of 21 fragments started from Av 9?
> > Ron Reese interpreted 21 fragments as 21 years from 1994 indicating 2015 and 21 judgments of the Tribulation.

The worst judgments of the Tribulation come in the last half, the Great Tribulation.

What if 2015 is in the first half of the Tribulation? This Pope said that God is not divine, and that atheists are saved. Doesn't that put him in the category of the Antichrist? He was chosen on 3-13-13. Therefore, to me, that might have been the beginning of the Tribulation. If so, Mid-Trib will be on Aug. 24, 2016, a day hard to forget, my mom's birthday.

The First-Trump Rapture of I Th 4:16,17 should take place between now and Mid-Trib, when the False Prophet comes to power.

RE: THE ANTICHRIST AND FALSE PROPHET, WHO RULE DURING THE TRIBULATION

Rev 13:1 (KJV) says, "And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads (i.e., Babel, Babylon II, Medo-Persia, Greece, Holy Roman Empire, Ecclesiastical Holy Roman Empire, and Babylon III) and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy" (i.e., PONTIFEX MAXIMUS, started by Nimrod).

Rev 13:5-11 says, "And there was given unto him (i.e., THE FIRST BEAST, ANTICHRIST) a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months (i.e., 3-13-13 to 8-24-2016). 6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and THEM (i.e., the wise-virgins) THAT DWELL IN HEAVEN (i.e., the First-Trump Rapture takes place just before Mid-Trib).

7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints (i.e., the foolish-virgins left behind the first time), and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. 8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. 9 If any man have an ear, let him hear. 10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

11 And I beheld ANOTHER BEAST (i.e., the Satan-possessed False Prophet, who will come to power Mid-Trib and rule during the shortened Great Tribulation) coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon."

Rev 17:9-14 says, "And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains (i.e., kingdoms), on which the woman (i.e., the Harlot Church) sitteth. 10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and ONE IS (i.e., Antichrist), AND THE OTHER (i.e., the False Prophet) IS NOT YET COME; and when he cometh (i.e., Mid-Trib), he must continue a short space (i.e., the shortened Great Tribulation). 11 And the beast (i.e., Satan) that was (i.e., in Judas Iscariot), and is not (i.e., in man now), even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition (i.e., the False Prophet). 12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are TEN KINGS, WHICH HAVE RECEIVED NO KINGDOM AS YET (i.e., at Mid-Trib); but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. 13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast. 14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and THEY THAT ARE WITH HIM (i.e., the wise-virgin saints raptured just before the Mid-Trib rise of the False Prophet) ARE CALLED, AND CHOSEN, AND FAITHFUL."

Hanukkah is not mentioned there. It ties in with Jesus being conceived on Kislev 24.

Hag 2:18,19 says, "Consider now from this day and upward, from the four and twentieth day of the ninth month, even from the day that the foundation (i.e., Jesus) of the LORD'S temple was laid, consider it. 19 Is the seed (i.e., Jesus) yet in the barn? (i.e., a saying meaning is she pregnant?) YEA, as yet the vine (i.e., Jesus), and the fig tree, and the pomegranate, and the olive tree, hath not brought forth: from this day will I bless you."

THE FIRST-TRUMP RAPTURE TAKES PLACE WHEN THERE ARE FIRST-RIPE GRAPES

Son 2:10-15 says, "My beloved spake, and said unto me, RISE UP, MY LOVE, MY FAIR ONE, AND COME AWAY. 11 For, lo, the winter is past, the rain is over and gone (i.e., Nisan is over); 12 The flowers appear on the earth (i.e., April showers bring May flowers); the time of the singing of birds is come, and the voice of the turtle (lit., turtledove) is heard in our land (i.e., they come in April and leave in October); 13 The fig tree putteth forth her green figs, and the vines with the tender grape give a good smell. ARISE, MY LOVE, MY FAIR ONE, AND COME AWAY. 14 O my dove, that art in the clefts of the rock (i.e., Jesus), in the secret places (i.e., places is not in the original, this is the secret) of the stairs, let me see thy countenance, let me hear thy voice; for sweet is thy voice, and thy countenance is comely. 15 Take us the foxes, the little foxes, that spoil the vines: for OUR VINES HAVE TENDER GRAPES."

There will be tender grapes on Pentecost Sunday, June 12, 2016, when summer is nigh. I'm hoping for the First-Trump Rapture that day. To me, the Tribulation began 3-13-13.

> > the false prophet is the Antichrist.

There are two beasts, the Antichrist and the False Prophet. Both come out of the Ecclesiastical Holy Roman Empire. The Antichrist rules during the first half of the Tribulation. The False Prophet rules during the last half, the Great Tribulation.

Rev 13:11 says, "And I beheld ANOTHER BEAST coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon."

Rev_16:13 says, "And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of THE BEAST, and out of the mouth of THE FALSE PROPHET."

Rev_19:20 And THE BEAST was taken, AND WITH HIM THE FALSE PROPHET that wrought miracles before (enopion, in the presence of) him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These BOTH were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone." Agape

A POST ON FIVE DOVES

Fay (29 Nov 2015) "15 year old Nathan"

Doves - I have watched this clip many times now. The young boy said several things that resonated very deeply. He names Obama as Gog (king of the northern hemisphere - which he is. Think about it). Gog started the war. Nathan says the war started on 9th September this year. At first, the warring soldiers will ignore Israel and fight each other. Then they will unite and turn on Israel - because they ALL want Israel - Jerusalem. The world will know - without doubt - when this war will escalate because there will "be a big boom" (quoting Nathan) and the whole world will be saying, "It is now definitely world war 3." Millions of people are going to die. The Mount of Olives is going to split in two. What causes this huge split is not an earthquake or bomb. It is caused by two dead people rising ( the two witnesses?). One on one side of the Mount and one on the other. Then Messiah will be revealed and EVERYONE will see Him and know that He is the Messiah. Nathan says that Messiah is very well known about and it will come as a great surprise that He (of all people) is the Messiah. A surprise to the Jewish people, perhaps??

The war is imminent and has already started. It will escalate rapidly and once it does - it will only last two weeks. Then Messiah comes. According to this incredible vision, there is very little time left. So much more of what he imparted really rings true. Terry James (Rapture Ready) in his Nearing Midnight column this week, pointed out how it's downright eerie just how Israel is not being heard about at present and is not the focal point of this war. Young Nathan could not have known this eerie stage as this video clip was made weeks ago. However, Israel will be attacked soon. We know that this is why Gog fomented this war.

Thanks to Rene and Paul H who posted this incredible video.

It pays to watch the clip several times. From the 29 minute mark. I also recommend the whole thing if you have time.

Rabbi Rami Levy & 15 year Old Natan English Subtitles - Testimony About The End of Days Coming Soon

MY REPLY

Thanks for alerting me to Natan's near-death experience.
I watched Rabbi Rami Levy & 15 year Old Natan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-H0MDGIXZ0o)

I also watched "Jewish Teen Sees Israel's Future"
By Stephen Ben-Nun
www.IsraeliNewsLive.org
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xne3mzRfVA)
"Published on Nov 12, 2015
"This astonishing account of a 15 year old Jewish teenager in his Near Death Experience has caught the attention of people world wide."

I read other articles about this.

I believe Natan died and visited Heaven for 15 minutes on Tabernacles, Mon. Sept. 28, 2015, night of the last blood moon of the tetrad, but I think he put his own spin on some things. We should compare what he said with Scripture. He said that the splitting of the Mt. of Olives was not an earthquake. Scripture shows that there will be an earthquake. He also said that Antichrist was Obama. That does not appear in Scripture.

The only scriptures that indicate the USA are 2Sa 7:23 and ICh 17:21.

2Sa 7:23 says, "And what one (echad, united) nation in the earth is like thy people, even like Israel, whom God went to redeem for a people to himself, and to make him a name, and to do for you great things and terrible, for thy land, before thy people, which thou redeemedst to thee from Egypt, from the nations and their gods?"

1Ch 17:21 And what one (echad, united) nation in the earth is like thy people Israel, whom God went to redeem to be his own people, to make thee a name of greatness and terribleness, by driving out nations from before thy people, whom thou hast redeemed out of Egypt?

He also said the War of Gog and Magog had already begun on the 27th of Elul (i.e., Sept. 11, 2015, the day Russia officially entered the war in Syria), and that it would not be a long process (i.e., he said it would last two weeks).
(https://www.breakingisraelnews.com/54701/near-death-experience-rabbi-recounts-harrowing-brush-prophecy-jewish-world/#7JMXKTVI5d0G23xv.97)

The Gog and Magog War comes at the end of the Great Tribulation. Mid-Trib is probably Aug. 24, 2016.

> > (Natan said) The Mount of Olives is going to split in two. What causes this huge split is NOT AN EARTHQUAKE OR BOMB. It is caused by two dead people rising ( the two witnesses?). One on one side of the Mount and one on the other.

That is just Natan's interpretation of what he saw. At one point, he said, "according to what I understood." He was only in heaven 15 minutes, and saw a lot of information. He had no religious background to help him understand what he was seeing.

ACTUALLY, THE SPLIT IN THE MT. OF OLIVES IS CAUSED BY AN EARTHQUAKE IN THE SAME HOUR THAT MOSES AND ELIJAH ARE CAUGHT UP IN THE LAST-TRUMP RAPTURE

Zec 14:4,5 (KJV) says, "And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south. 5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the EARTHQUAKE in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee."

Rev 11:12,13 says, "And they (i.e., Moses and Elijah) heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, COME UP HITHER (i.e., this is the Last-Trump Rapture of I Cor 15:51-54). And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them. 13 And the same hour was there a great EARTHQUAKE, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the EARTHQUAKE were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven."

Natan said that the Antichrist was Obama. To me, the Antichrist is the Pontifex Maximus.

Rev 13:1-6 says, "And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads (i.e., Babel, Babylon II, Medo-Persia, Greece, Holy Roman Empire, Ecclesiastical Holy Roman Empire, and Babylon III) and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, AND UPON HIS HEADS THE NAME OF BLASPHEMY (i.e., PONTIFEX MAXIMUS, started by Nimrod at the Tower of Babel). 2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard (i.e., Greece, Dan. 7:6), and his feet were as the feet of a bear (i.e., Medo-Persia, Dan. 7:5), and his mouth as the mouth of a lion (i.e., Babylon II, Dan 7:4): and the dragon (i.e., Satan) gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority. 3 And I saw one of his heads (i.e., Antichrist) as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast. 4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him? 5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and BLASPHEMIES; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months (i.e., the first half of the Tribulation). 6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven."

BLASPHEMIES

Among other things, the present Pope said that God was not divine, and that atheists were saved.

THE GOG AND MAGOG WAR, ACCORDING TO 15-YR OLD NATAN

> > The war is imminent and has already started. It will escalate rapidly and once it does - it will only last two weeks. Then Messiah comes.

I think we are nearing Mid-Trib now. The Gog and Magog War will come at the end of the shortened Great Tribulation.

ANOTHER POST

http://cosmicconvergence.org/?p=11905
"Natan: And what I saw was simply that. The Mashiach is first of all someone who can't sin. Someone who repented. Who didn't commit any transgression.

"Rabbi: And He repented?
"Natan: He repented. Yes. He didn't commit any transgressions. Since He repented He didn't commit even one transgression. It's can't be that the Mashiach is someone who committed transgressions."

"Narrator: The only one I know who didn't commit transgressions on this Earth is Jeshua."

"Natan: Now, it can be someone who we actually know very well, who we know very well. Lots and lots of people know Him according to what I understood, but everyone will be very, very, surprised that He is of all people the Mashiach.

Narrator: And who is the only one who can fit that particular category? It's Jeshua (aka Yeshua)."

"This transcript was taken from the original YouTube video that presented the interview with Natan titled: Jewish Teen Sees Israel's Future.

"This video can be viewed in its entirety at the following YouTube or disseminated via the following link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xne3mzRfVA
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