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Posted 8-3-16

MY REPLY TO A POST ON FIVE DOVES

> > "Will we be given a sign before the rapture?"

> > Why did Jesus instruct us to look up? Because His face or His representation will be displayed as a banner in the sky signaling the start of proceedings.

> > Jesus Himself in Luke 21:25- 26 pointed out all the end times signs that would be confronting us. All the signs Jesus listed in these verses are presently before us. He then instructed us in Luke 21:28 to... look up and lift up your heads, because your redemption (He... Jesus) draws near... Why did Jesus instruct us to look up? Because His face or His representation will be displayed as a banner in the sky signaling the start of proceedings.

> > He also said in verse 27 ..."Then they will see the Son of Man (Jesus) where?...coming in a cloud (in the sky) with great power and great glory..."

Hi;

There are two Raptures, and big signs will take place at the time of the last Rapture, which takes place on the Day of the Lord at the end of the Great Tribulation. But, will there be signs before the first Rapture?

FIRST-TRUMP RAPTURE, MID-TRIB

1Th 4:16-18 says, "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words."

Rev 13:5-11 says, "And there was given unto him (i.e., Antichrist) a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies (i.e., Pope Francis said that God was not divine); and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months (i.e., during the first half of the Tribulation).6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and THEM THAT DWELL IN HEAVEN (i.e., the First-Trump Rapture of the wise-virgin saints takes place just before the False Prophet is revealed). 7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints (i.e., the foolish-virgins saints left behind the first time), and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. 8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. 9 If any man have an ear, let him hear. 10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints. 11 And I beheld another beast (i.e., the False Prophet) coming up out of the earth (i.e., at Mid-Trib); and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon."

Rev 11:1-3 says, "And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, RISE (i.e., in the First-Trump Rapture), and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein. 2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months. 3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses (i.e., Moses and Elijah come Mid-Trib), and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth."

Rev 12:6-10 says, "And the woman (i.e., Israel) fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place (i.e., Petra) prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days (i.e., during the Great Tribulation). 7 And there was war in heaven: MICHAEL and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, 8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. 9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. 10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now (arti, just now) is come SALVATION (soteria, rescue, deliverance, i.e., the Rapture), and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night."

Dan 12:1 says, "And at that time shall MICHAEL stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble (i.e., the Great Tribulation follows the first Rapture), such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time (i.e., when Michael stands up Mid-Trib) thy people shall be delivered (malat, escape, leap out, i.e., be raptured), every one that shall be found written in the book."

AT THE LAST-TRUMP RAPTURE ON THE DAY OF THE LORD AT THE END OF THE GREAT TRIBULATION ALL SAINTS RECEIVE IMMORTAL BODIES

1Co 15:51-54 says, "Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory."

"AFTER THE TRIBULATION...THEN SHALL APPEAR THE SIGN OF THE SON OF MAN"

Mat 24:29-31 says, "Immediately AFTER THE TRIBULATION of those days (i.e., on the Day of the Lord) shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And THEN SHALL APPEAR THE SIGN OF THE SON OF MAN in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other."

"AND THERE SHALL BE SIGNS...AND THEN SHALL THEY SEE THE SON OF MAN COMING"

Luk 21:25-28 says, "And THERE SHALL BE SIGNS in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; 26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. 27 And AND THEN SHALL THEY SEE THE SON OF MAN COMING in a cloud with power and great glory. 28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh."

ON THE DAY OF GOD'S WRATH, HE SAYS, "THERE SHALL BE A GREAT SHAKING" AND "I WILL BE KNOWN IN THE EYES OF MANY NATIONS"

Eze 38:18-23 says, "And it shall come to pass at the same time when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, saith the Lord GOD, that MY FURY shall come up in my face. 19 For in my jealousy and in the fire of MY WRATH have I spoken, Surely IN THAT DAY THERE SHALL BE A GREAT SHAKING in the land of Israel; 20 So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence, and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground. 21 And I will call for a sword against him throughout all my mountains, saith the Lord GOD: every man's sword shall be against his brother. 22 And I will plead against him with pestilence and with blood; and I will rain upon him, and upon his bands, and upon the many people that are with him, an overflowing rain, and great hailstones, fire, and brimstone. 23 Thus will I magnify myself, and sanctify myself; and I WILL BE KNOWN IN THE EYES OF MANY NATIONS, and they shall know that I am the LORD."

THE LAST-TRUMP RAPTURE WILL TAKE PLACE ON THE DAY OF THE GREAT SHAKING

Rev 11:12-14 says, "And they (i.e., Moses and Elijah) heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, COME UP HITHER. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them. 13 And the same hour was there a GREAT EARTHQUAKE, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven. 14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly."

ON THE DAY OF THE GREAT SHAKING, BABYLON WILL BE DESTROYED

Rev 18:21 says, "And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all."

THE SIGN OF THE SON OF MAN WILL BE SEEN AFTER THE TRIBULATION

Mat 24:29-31 says, "Immediately AFTER THE TRIBULATION of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And THEN SHALL APPEAR THE SIGN OF THE SON OF MAN IN HEAVEN: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of HEAVEN to the other."

Mar 13:24-27 says, "But in those days, AFTER THAT TRIBULATION, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, 25 And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken. 26 And THEN SHALL THEY SEE THE SON OF MAN COMING IN THE CLOUDS with great power and glory. 27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the EARTH to the uttermost part of HEAVEN."

TWO TRUMPETS

Num 10:1-4 says, "And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 2 Make thee two trumpets of silver; of a whole piece shalt thou make them: that thou mayest use them for the calling of the ASSEMBLY, and for the journeying of the camps. 3 And when they shall blow with them, all the assembly shall assemble themselves to thee at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation. 4 And if they blow but with one trumpet, then the princes, which are heads of the thousands of Israel, shall gather themselves unto thee."

THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY IN HEAVEN AT THE LAST TRUMP

Heb 12:22-26 says, "But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, 23 To the general ASSEMBLY and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, 24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel. 25 See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven: 26 Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, YET ONCE MORE I SHAKE NOT THE EARTH ONLY, BUT ALSO HEAVEN." Agape

MY REPLY TO A POST ON FIVE DOVES

> > Wotw (31 July 2016)
"The Damascus War"

I think Damascus will be destroyed when an asteroid impacts the Mediterranean Sea.

Eze 38:14-23 says, “Therefore, son of man, prophesy and say unto Gog, Thus saith the Lord GOD; In that day when my people of Israel dwelleth safely, shalt thou not know it? 15 And thou shalt come from thy place out of the north parts, thou, and many people with thee, all of them riding upon horses, a great company, and a mighty army: 16 And thou shalt come up against my people of Israel, as a cloud to cover the land; it shall be in the latter days, and I will bring thee against my land, that the heathen may know me, when I shall be sanctified in thee, O Gog, before their eyes. 17 Thus saith the Lord GOD; Art thou he of whom I have spoken in old time by my servants the prophets of Israel, which prophesied in those days many years that I would bring thee against them? 18 And it shall come to pass at the same time when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, saith the Lord GOD, that my fury shall come up in my face. 19 For in my jealousy and in the fire of my wrath have I spoken, Surely in that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel; 20 So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence, and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground. 21 And I will call for a sword against him throughout all my mountains, saith the Lord GOD: every man's sword shall be against his brother. 22 And I will plead against him with pestilence and with blood; and I will rain upon him, and upon his bands, and upon the many people that are with him, an overflowing rain, and great hailstones, fire, and brimstone. 23 Thus will I magnify myself, and sanctify myself; and I will be known in the eyes of many nations, and they shall know that I am the LORD.” Agape

MY POST ON FIVE DOVES

> > On Sid Roth's show, John Shorey said that Jesus is coming for the rapture of the church after the 7th seal opens. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lkFGocZ5Zo

I don't believe that. The Rapture is in Rev. 4:1, and the seals begin to be opened in Rev. 6.

WHAT JOHN SHOREY DOESN'T SEEM TO UNDERSTAND: THERE ARE TWO RAPTURES

The one in ITh 4:16,17 is Mid-Trib. The one in ICor 15:51-54 is on the Day of the Lord at the end of the Great Tribulation.

They are not alike. No one gets an immortal body in the first Rapture. All saints get an immortal body at the last Rapture.

All sing the new song after the first Rapture. Only the 144,000 get to sing the new song after the last Rapture.

AT THE FIRST "TRUMP" (i.e., MID-TRIB), THE CORRUPTIBLE MUST PUT ON INCORRUPTION, AND THERE IS NO EARTHQUAKE

1Th 4:16,17 says, "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with THE TRUMP of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then WE which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall WE ever be with the Lord."

Rev 4:1 says, "After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, COME UP HITHER, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter."

Rev 5:9,10 says, "And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; 10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth."

Rev 10:11 says, "And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy AGAIN before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings."

Rev 11:1-3 (i.e., John's next words) says, "And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, RISE (i.e., in the Mid-Trib Rapture), and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein. 2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months. 3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth."

AT "THE LAST TRUMP", THE "MORTAL SHALL HAVE PUT ON IMMORTALITY", AND THERE IS "A GREAT EARTHQUAKE"

1Co 15:51-54 says, "Behold, I shew you a mystery; WE shall not all sleep, but WE shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at THE LAST TRUMP: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and WE shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, AND this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption (i.e., at the first Rapture), and this mortal shall have put on immortality (i.e., at the last Rapture), then (tote, at that time) shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory."

Rev 11:12-14 says, "And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, COME UP HITHER. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them. 13 And the same hour was there A GREAT EARTHQUAKE, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven. 14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly."

Rev 14:1-3 says, "And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads. 2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps: 3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and NO MAN COULD LEARN THAT SONG BUT THE HUNDRED AND FORTY AND FOUR THOUSAND, which were redeemed from the earth."

Joe_2:31 says, "The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come."

2Pe_3:10 says, "But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up."

Rev 6:12-17 says, "And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; 13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. 14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. 15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; 16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: 17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?"

INCOMING EMAIL

Can u give me a lot of proof that heaven is a planet because my family doesn't believe it when I told them that it was in the Dakes Bible. Also, how can I see it

MY REPLY

Paul shows us where Heaven is located, in "the third heaven". Mars is our first heaven, Jupiter our second, and Saturn our third.

In 2Co 12:2-4, Paul said, "I knew a man in Christ (i.e., Paul himself, he didn't want to boast) above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the THIRD HEAVEN. 3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) 4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter."

Paradise is Heaven. It appears three times in Scripture.

Luk_23:43 says, "And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise."

2Co_12:4 says, "How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter."

Rev_2:7 says, "He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God."

Ezekiel 1 is another scripture that shows us where Heaven is located.

Eze 1:1 says, "the heavens were opened, and I saw visions of God." God has a throne in Heaven, and Ezekiel saw it.

Eze 1:26-28 describes that throne. It says, "And above the firmament that was over their heads (i.e., farther out in space than the four terrestrial planets, of which Earth is one, verse 15) was the likeness of a THRONE, as the appearance of a sapphire stone (i.e., sapphire is from the Sanskrit Sani, or Shani, Saturn, and priya, dear): and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man (i.e., the only God/man is Jesus Christ) above upon it. 27 And I saw as the colour of amber (i.e., Saturn is amber), as the appearance of fire round about within it, from the appearance of his loins (i.e., from the equator) even upward, and from the appearance of his loins even downward, I saw as it were the appearance of fire, and it had brightness round about (i.e., Saturn's ring system). 28 As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain, so was the appearance of the brightness round about. This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the LORD."

Sapphire is Jesus' September birthstone.
"Sapphire, with its stunning blue shades, is a symbol heaven".
"This gemstone is also associated with the star sign of Virgo."
"In Sanskrit, this stone was known as 'Shanipriya' meaning 'dear to Saturn'"
www.birthstonezodiac.com/birthstones/september-birthstone/

August 2016 guide to the 5 bright planets | Astronomy Essentials ... earthsky.org/astronomy.../visible-planets-tonight-mars-jupiter-venus-saturn-mercury
Aug 12, 2011 - Mars is still a bright beacon, although fainter than Jupiter, still in a noticeable triangle with Saturn and the bright star Antares. Mars and Saturn.

"Saturn, dusk until late night, shines near Mars".

Earth was directly between Sun and Saturn (i.e., at Opposition) last June 3, so it is still a good time to look for it.

The Moon was under Virgo's feet when Jesus was born Sept. 4, BC 5.

INCOMING EMAIL, RE: The Rapture of The Bride - Set Apart Bride

I am not certain of anything in eschatology due to hundreds of speculation without event....I pray to meet you in heaven on Ascension Day....or maybe the event will come on a Surprise day sooner or later

MY REPLY

Now, since I found out that the sign in Rev 12 will be in the sky on the Feast of Trumpets, Oct. 3, 2016, I have hopes that the Rapture will be that day. We are still in the Jubilee Year. Agape

LIFE IN THE DEAD SEA

"An alleged discovery of freshwater pools along the shores of the Dead Sea – which borders Jordan, Israel and the West Bank – has some people claiming the fulfillment of biblical end times prophecy, while others – including Messianic Jews and Christian scholars – dispute the claim.

"Breaking Israel News highlighted Samantha Siegel, a Jewish artisan baker from Jerusalem who frequently takes trips to the Dead Sea region, reportedly discovering freshwater pools. Although no official sources are linked in the article, the report asserts that the Dead Sea has been receding by 1 meter every year and that sinkholes around it have been filling up with fresh water and are teeming with fish, calling it "a prophecy appearing before her eyes that seemed to contradict the laws of nature."

"The Dead Sea is more than 400 meters below sea level and is the lowest point on the planet. Because of its hyper-saline environment, it is a harsh place where life is not known to grow, hence its name.

"In a YouTube video Siegel posted online, she calls these things "signs of the times" when the Dead Sea finally comes to life. The report suggests that such discoveries signal the start of the fulfillment of Old Testament prophecies about the Dead Sea in Zechariah 14:8 and Ezekiel 47:8-9.

"The report further notes that in 2011, a team of researchers from Ben Gurion University in the Negev sent divers to the floor of the Dead Sea where they found fresh water flowing in from craters that were 15 meters across and 20 meters deep. These craters were "carpeted with mats of microorganisms, showing that the Dead Sea was not entirely dead."

"Scientific research has proved the existence of life at the bottom of the Dead sea, but due to a unique set of circumstances, signs of life have begun appearing on its very shores, precisely as it is written in the Book of Prophets," the report claims."

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