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Can you help me with where you get the sign in the sky date, 2016? Sone online dates are 2017. Is this a yearly sun phase/
Can you compare the 2016 sky and the 2017 sign in the sky, Many sites are talking about 2017. Thank you
I'll walk you through it.
Go to: http://www.fourmilab.ch/yoursky/
Click "Nearby City". Choose Jerusalem, about half-way down the list.
Choose Black on White Background. Choose Universal Time.
Type in date 10-3-2016 (Feast of Trumpets), and time: 15:10:00.
Click "Update," and there is your sign. It's perfect. The Sun is going down and the Moon is directly under Virgo's feet.
This doesn't happen every Feast of Trumpets. The time before this was Sept. 29, 2011.
To find out dates of future Feast of Trumpets, go to http://www.fourmilab.ch/documents/calendar/
In the Hebrew Calendar, enter Tishri 1, 5777. Click Calculate.
In the Gregorian Calendar, the date will be October 3, 2016.
Change Hebrew date to Tishri 1, 5778. Click Calculate.
The Gregorian date will be Sept. 21, 2017
Plug that date into YourSky.
Change time to 15:30:00 and click Update.
The Moon will not be under Virgo's feet on Trumpets, Sept. 21, 2017, or on Trumpets, Sept. 10, 2018.
The Moon will barely be under Virgo's feet Sept. 30, 2019, but the crescent that is lit will not be under the feet.
The sign will not happen in 2020.
Hope this helps. Agape
I will study this. Thank you. What about 2017? A lot on the internet about it? How is it different from 2016?
I will read....
Below is the sign of Sept. 23, 2017 that Daniel Matson wrote about. I disagree with his conclusions. To me, Rev. 12 is Mid-Trib. In Rev 11:3, Moses and Elijah are to prophesy 1260 days. Then they are killed and raptured at the end of the Great Tribulation.
Daniel Matson wrote, "Revelation 12 comes right after the conclusion of the seventh trumpet and what is the end of the seven year tribulation. With chapter 12, we cut away from that time to a picture of the overall war of Satan upon Israel and the Messiah. The woman is Israel and the twelve stars are the twelve tribes of Israel. Paralleling Joseph's dream, the moon and sun also represented his mother and father (Genesis 37:10), and as we later learn in Revelation 12, the child is the Messiah. This sign plays out in the heavens on September 23, 2017 when the sun goes down in Israel. That day is Tishri 3 and the Fast of Gedaliah....
"The conclusion on this website is that it looks like the Rapture will occur on the Feast of Trumpets 2017, which would be on September 21. This day is sandwiched between the sign involving the Great Pyramid and Revelation 12. If the Tribulation ends on the Day of Atonement 2024, then 2,520 back from that day is November 19, 2017. The sign of Revelation 12 then comes 57 days before the Tribulation. This gap matches the gap between the end of Daniel's 69 weeks on Palm Sunday and the beginning of the Church on Pentecost."
You can read the whole article at: http://watchfortheday.org/1260tetrad.html
To me, Revelation 12 takes place Mid-Trib, not at "the end of the seven year tribulation."
Rev 12:6-14 says, "And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days (i.e., during the Great Tribulation). 7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, 8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. 9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. 10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now (arti, just now) is come salvation (soteria, rescue, deliverance, i.e., the Mid-Trib Rapture), and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. 11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. 12 Therefore REJOICE, YE HEAVENS, AND YE THAT DWELL IN THEM. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time (i.e., the Great Tribulation is to be shortened or no flesh would be saved). 13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child. 14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent."
Dan 12:1 says, "And at that time (i.e., Mid-Trib) shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be (i.e., afterward) a time of trouble (i.e., the Great Tribulation), such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time (i.e., Mid-Trib) thy people shall be delivered (malat, escape, leap out), every one that shall be found written in the book." Agape
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There are lots of people talking about this. The reason they say 2017 is because they are using astronomy software to advance the constellations into the position described in Rev 12. Which occurs on 9/23/2017.
Many of these people put this event as the midpoint...I don't agree with that...but the event..driven by the astronomy software seems indisputable.
And here is a video of a guy showing the use of the software...it is the astronomy software that shows this occurs on 9/23/2017.
Thanks for sending this information.
As for the sign in the sky on 9-23-17, it isn't on the right date. That sign has to take place on Tishri 1, which it does on Oct. 3, 2016.
"Sat, 23 September 2017 = 3rd of Tishrei, 5778"
"Mon, 3 October 2016 = 1st of Tishrei, 5777"
> > Many of these people put this event as the midpoint...I don't agree with that...but the event..driven by the astronomy software seems indisputable.
Rev 12:6-8 says, "And the woman fled into the wilderness (i.e., Mid-Trib), where she hath a place (i.e., Petra) prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days (i.e., during the Great Tribulation). 7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, 8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven."
Michael stands up Mid-Trib.
Dan 12:1 says, "And AT THAT TIME (i.e., Mid-Trib) shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be (i.e., after Mid-Trib) a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time (i.e., when Michael stands up Mid-Trib) thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book."
Moses and Elijah come back with Christ at the time of the Mid-Trib Rapture.
Rev 11:1-3 says, "And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, RISE (i.e., in the Mid-Trib Rapture), and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein. 2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months (i.e., during the Great Tribulation). 3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days (i.e., length of the Great Tribulation), clothed in sackcloth."
The Mid-Trib Rapture is before the Feast of Tabernacles.
Mat 17:1-11 says, "And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart, 2 And was transfigured before them: and HIS FACE DID SHINE AS THE SUN, AND HIS RAIMENT WAS WHITE AS THE LIGHT. 3 And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him. 4 Then answered Peter, and said unto Jesus, Lord, it is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, let us make here three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias. 5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him. 6 And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their face, and were sore afraid. 7 And Jesus came and touched them, and said, ARISE, and be not afraid. 8 And when they had lifted up their eyes, they saw no man, save Jesus only. 9 And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead. 10 And his disciples asked him, saying, Why then say the scribes that Elias must first come? 11 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things."
The Rapture is before the False Prophet is revealed.
Rev 13:5-11 says, "And there was given unto him (i.e., Antichrist) a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. 6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and THEM THAT DWELL IN HEAVEN (i.e., the wise-virgins). 7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints (i.e., the foolish virgins left behind), and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. 8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. 9 If any man have an ear, let him hear. 10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints. 11 And I beheld another beast (i.e., the Satan-possessed False Prophet) coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon."
I'll tackle "What Day did the Messiah Die?" next. I spent years on that. Agape
Thnak you very much! we are so out of here!
I hope so. It is looking good. Things are lining up like they should.
New subject from the info. you sent: "The Messiah died on a Wednesday, Not a Friday".
I studied the date of the Crucifixion for years.
I believe that Jesus died on Thursday, the Preparation of the Passover. The next day, Friday, Passover, was an annual Sabbath, "an high day".
Joh_19:14 says, "And IT WAS THE PREPARATION OF THE PASSOVER, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!"
Mar 14:1,2 says, "After two days was the feast of the passover (i.e., on Friday), and of unleavened bread (i.e., Saturday): and the chief priests and the scribes sought how they might take him by craft, and put him to death. 2 But they said, NOT ON THE FEAST DAY, lest there be an uproar of the people."
Mar_15:42 says, "And now when the even was come, because IT WAS THE PREPARATION, that is, the day before the sabbath".
Luk_23:54 says, "And THAT DAY WAS THE PREPARATION, and the sabbath drew on."
Joh_19:31 says, "The Jews therefore, because IT WAS THE PREPARATION, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away."
Joh_19:42 says, "There laid they Jesus therefore because of the Jews' PREPARATION DAY; for the sepulchre was nigh at hand."
EVENTS OF CRUCIFIXION WEEK
Saturday, Nisan 8, Jesus arrived at Bethany and had supper.
Sunday, Nisan 9, Palm Sunday, He rode into Jerusalem on a donkey and presented himself as king.
Monday, Nisan 10, he cursed the fruitless fig tree and cleansed the Temple.
Tuesday, Nisan 11, the fig tree had dried up, and he gave the Olivet Discourse.
Wednesday, Nisan 12, he was anointed for his burial.
Thursday, Nisan 13, Jesus was crucified and buried in a stone tomb.
Friday, Nisan 14, was the Passover.
Saturday, Nisan 15, was the Feast of Unleavened Bread.
Sunday, Nisan 16, Jesus was resurrected on the Feast of Firstfruits.
Mt 12:40 says that Jesus was "three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. Those nights and days were:
Friday (night then day)
Saturday (night then day)
He arose on the 3rd day (Luke 24:7). Those days were:
1st day: Friday
2nd day: Saturday
3rd day: Sunday
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Aramaic / Palestanian Targum written 1500 Years before the Kings James Bible.
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"Interesting thing from "The Targum of Palestine," commonly entitled "Targum of Jonathan Ben Uzziel"
Angels "who had been created in the second day of the creation of the world".
Targum of Ruth
11- "Boaz replied thus: "It has been told to me on the authority of the sages, that when the Lord decreed [against intermarriage with Moab], He did not decree against the women, but against the men. Through prophecy I have been informed that kings and prophets are destined to descend from you, because of the kindness which you have shown your mother-in-law, in that you supported her after your husband died, and you left your gods and your people, your father and your mother and the land of your birth, and have gone to become a proselyte and to dwell in the midst of a people with whom you were unacquainted before.
12-"May the Lord reward you well in this world for your good work, and may you receive full recompense from the Lord, the God of Israel, in the world to come, because you have come to be a proselyte and to seek shelter under the shadow of His Glorious Presence. Through that merit you will be saved from the punishment of Gehinom, so that your portion will be with Sarah and Rebecca and Rachel and Leah."
Mat 1:5,6 says, "and Booz begat Obed of Ruth; and Obed begat Jesse; 6 And Jesse begat David the king".
15- "[To Ruth he said:] "Take the scarf which you have there, and lay hold of it," he said. So she took hold of it. Then he measured six seah of barley and placed it upon her, whereupon strength to carry it was given to her from God. At that moment it was announced through the medium of prophecy, that six of the most righteous men were destined to descend from her, each one of whom would be blessed with six blessings -- David, Daniel and his companions, and the King-Messiah." Agape
MY REPLY TO A POST ON FIVE DOVES
> > John B (28 Aug 2016)
"The Two Witnesses......a "physically present" perspective"
> > it appears to me that the two end time witnesses will be Ezekiel and the Apostle John
I think the Transfiguration and Revelation of Jesus Christ prove that the two witnesses of Rev. 11 are Moses and Elijah.
In Mt. 17:11, Jesus plainly said, "Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things." How can you get around that?
Mat 17:1-11 says, "And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain (i.e., representing Heaven) apart, 2 And was transfigured before them: and HIS FACE DID SHINE AS THE SUN, AND HIS RAIMENT WAS WHITE AS THE LIGHT. 3 And, behold, there appeared unto them MOSES AND ELIAS (i.e., Elijah) talking with him. 4 Then answered Peter, and said unto Jesus, Lord, it is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, let us make here three TABERNACLES; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias. 5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him. 6 And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their face, and were sore afraid. 7 And Jesus came and touched them, and said, ARISE, and be not afraid. 8 And when they had lifted up their eyes, they saw no man, save Jesus only. 9 And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead. 10 And his disciples asked him, saying, Why then say the scribes that Elias must first come? 11 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things."
Mar 9:1-8 says, "And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power. 2 And after six days Jesus taketh with him Peter, and James, and John, and leadeth them up into an high mountain apart by themselves: and he was transfigured before them. 3 And HIS RAIMENT BECAME SHINING, EXCEEDING WHITE AS SNOW; SO AS NO FULLER ON EARTH CAN WHITE THEM. 4 And there appeared unto them ELIAS WITH MOSES: and they were talking with Jesus. 5 And Peter answered and said to Jesus, Master, it is good for us to be here: and let us make three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.6 For he wist not what to say; for they were sore afraid. 7 And there was a cloud that overshadowed them: and a voice came out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him. 8 And suddenly, when they had looked round about, they saw no man any more, save Jesus only with themselves."
Luk 9:28-35 says, "And it came to pass about an eight days after these sayings, he took Peter and John and James, and went up into a mountain to pray. 29 And as he prayed, the fashion of his countenance was altered, and HIS RAIMENT WAS WHITE AND GLISTERING. 30 And, behold, there talked with him two men, which were MOSES AND ELIAS: 31 Who appeared in glory, and spake of his decease which he should accomplish at Jerusalem. 32 But Peter and they that were with him were heavy with sleep: and when they were awake, they saw his glory, and the two men that stood with him. 33 And it came to pass, as they departed from him, Peter said unto Jesus, Master, it is good for us to be here: and let us make three TABERNACLES; one for thee, and one for MOSES, and one for ELIAS: not knowing what he said. 34 While he thus spake, there came a cloud, and overshadowed them: and they feared as they entered into the cloud. 35 And there came a voice out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him."
BOTH THE TRANSFIGURATION AND THE REVELATION OF JESUS CHRIST ARE WRITTEN AS IF THE MID-TRIB RAPTURE IS AT HAND
In Rev 2:22, Jesus said to the church of Thyatira, "Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into GREAT TRIBULATION, except they repent of their deeds."
Rev 1:9-16 says, "I John, who also am your brother, and companion IN TRIBULATION, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ. 10 I was (lit., became) in the Spirit (i.e., he was raptured) on the Lord's day (i.e., the Day of Christ), and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, 11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea. 12 And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks; 13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle. 14 His head and his hairs were WHITE LIKE WOOL, AS WHITE AS SNOW; AND HIS EYES WERE AS A FLAME OF FIRE; 15 AND HIS FEET LIKE UNTO FINE BRASS, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters. 16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength."
Rev 10:11 says, "And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy AGAIN before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings."
THEREFORE, THE "RISE" IN REV. 11:1 IS THE MID-TRIB RAPTURE
Rev 11:1-4 says, "And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, RISE, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein. 2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months. 3 And I will give power unto my TWO WITNESSES, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days (i.e., during the Great Tribulation), clothed in sackcloth. 4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth."
THE TWO WITNESSES ARE MOSES AND ELIJAH
Zec 4:11-14 says, "Then answered I, and said unto him, What are these two olive trees upon the right side of the candlestick and upon the left side thereof? 12 And I answered again, and said unto him, What be these two olive branches which through the two golden pipes empty the golden oil out of themselves? 13 And he answered me and said, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my lord. 14 Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth."
Moses and Elijah stood by Jesus at the Transfiguration. Agape
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