Pro and Con 1941

Posted 10-24-16

FOUND ON THE INTERNET

"Christians believe they will be physically resurrected from the dead....Jesus taught that His disciples who are born again will "never die." https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/when-rapture-take-placeit-may-you-think-what-does-bible-denis-mercier

MY REPLY

Christians never actually die. Only their physical bodies die.

Joh_11:26 says, "And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?"

Yes! In April, 2012, after my 87 year-old husband died the previous December, he came to see me in his celestial body. Dressed in black, and looking totally normal for 33 years old, he strode into the bedroom at a fast clip, answered my questions, and walked through the wall.

ANCIENT CITY GATE AND SHRINE FFROM HEBREW BIBLE UNCOVERED

http://www.foxnews.com/science/2016/10/03/ancient-city-gate-and-shrine-from-hebrew-bible-uncovered.html

"An ancient city gate and shrine that King Hezekiah ordered to be destroyed during the eighth century B.C., according to the Hebrew Bible, are seeing the light of day following an excavation in Israel, archaeologists reported....

"According to biblical narrative, "everything took place" at the gates of the ancient city of Tel Lachish, where the gate-shrine was originally built, the IAA said.

High-ranking people - including city elders, judges, governors, kings and officials - would sit on the benches by the city gate, and "these benches were found in our excavation," Ganor said."

THE RIGHTEOUS ARE RAPTURED MID-TRIB, DURING THE REIGN OF THE ANTICHRIST

Isa 57:1-3 says, "The righteous perisheth, and no man layeth it to heart: and merciful men are taken away, none considering that the righteous is taken away from the evil to come. 2 He shall enter into peace: they shall rest in their beds, each one walking in his uprightness. 3 But draw near hither, ye sons of the sorceress, the seed of the adulterer and the whore."

Rev 13:5-11 says, "And there was given unto him (i.e., Antichrist) a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months (i.e., during the first half of the Tribulation). 6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and THEM THAT DWELL IN HEAVEN (i.e., the wise-virgin saints). 7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints (i.e., the foolish-virgin saints left behind at the first Rapture), and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. 8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. 9 If any man have an ear, let him hear. 10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints. 11 And I beheld another beast (i.e., the Satan-possessed False Prophet) coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon."

Rev 10:11 And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings."

Rev 11:1-3 says, "And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, RISE (i.e., in the First-Trump Rapture), and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein. 2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months. 3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses (i.e., Moses and Elijah), and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth."

There is no earthquake at the First-Trump Rapture. There is a great earthquake at the Last-Trump Rapture.

Rev 11:9-13 says, "And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves. 10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth. 11 And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.

Rev 11:12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, COME UP HITHER. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them. 13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven."

INCOMING EMAIL, RE: Fwd: IT WAS ON NISAN 10 THAT JESUS PRESENTED HIMSELF

It was on Nisan 10 that Jesus appeared to present Himself. He appeared and presented Himself, lowly, riding on a donkey into Jerusalem.

Here are the descriptions of how Jesus will appear to present Himself on the coming Nisan 10 to rapture His church.

"The sun will be darkened and the moon will not give its light. The stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then THE SIGN OF THE SON OF MAN WILL APPEAR IN THE HEAVEN (sky), and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man COMING ON THE CLOUDS OF HEAVEN WITH POWER AND GREAT GLORY ."

"And behold, there was a great earthquake, and the sun became black as sackcloth, and the moon became like blood, And the stars fell to earth as a fig tree drops its late figs when it is shaken by a mighty wind. Then THE SKY RECEDED AS A SCROLL when it is rolled up"

THE "sign of the Son of Man will appear in the heaven" IS WHEN "the sky receded as a scroll".

MY REPLY

> > It was on Nisan 10 that Jesus appeared to present Himself. He appeared and presented Himself, lowly, riding on a donkey into Jerusalem.

I think Jesus rode into Jerusalem on the donkey on Sunday, Nisan 9.

Saturday, Nisan 8, April 1, 30 AD, Jesus arrived in Bethany and ate supper
Sunday, Nisan 9, April 2, as king, Jesus rode into Jerusalem on the donkey
Monday, Nisan 10, April 3, Jesus cursed the fig tree, purified Temple
Tuesday, Nisan 11, April 4, fig tree dried, Jesus gave Olivet Discourse
Wednesday, Nisan 12, April 5, Jesus anointed for burial
Thursday, Nisan 13, April 6, Crucifixion

"not on the feast day", Mt 26:5; Mark 14:2
"that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on", Luk_23:54
"it was the preparation of the passover", Joh_19:14

5 Apr 30 C.E. sunset to 6 Apr 30 C.E. sunset, Julian: 1,732,111
Fast of the Firstborn, original Fast of Esther 4:16
(http://www.torahcalendar.com/Calendar.asp?YM=Y30M1)

One purpose in fasting is commemorative mourning....
"commemorates the salvation of the Jews from the plot of Haman. This is because Haman advanced his plot on the thirteenth of Nisan (Esther 3:12)" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fast_of_the_Firstborn

"... in tractate Sofrim (21:3) it states that one may not fast in Nisan except for the fast of the firstborn on erev Pesach."
https://www.ou.org/life/torah/mm_fast_of_the_first_born/

Friday, Nisan 14, April 7, 2017, Passover,
Saturday, Nisan 15, April 8, Unleavened Bread
Sunday, Nisan 16, April 9, Firstfruits, Resurrection Day

"to day is the third day since these things were done" Luk_24:21

1. Friday
2. Saturday
3. Sunday

Mat_12:40 says, "For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth."

Thursday night
Friday day and night
Saturday day and night
Sunday day

ALL FOUR GOSPELS AGREE THAT THE CRUCIFIXION WAS ON THE PREPARATION OF THE PASSOVER, i.e., THURSDAY

Mat_27:62-64 says, "Now the next day (Friday, 'an high day', Passover), that followed THE DAY OF THE PREPARATION (Thursday), the chief priests and Pharisees came together unto Pilate, Saying, Sir, we remember that that deceiver said, while he was yet alive, AFTER THREE DAYS (i.e., after Thursday, Friday and Saturday) I will rise again (Sunday). 64 Command therefore that the sepulchre be made sure until the third day, lest his disciples come by night, and steal him away, and say unto the people, He is risen from the dead".

Mar_15:42 says, "And now when the even was come, because IT WAS THE PREPARATION (Thursday), that is, the day before the sabbath" (Friday, Passover, an annual Sabbath)."

Luk_23:54 says, "THAT DAY WAS THE PREPARATION (Thursday), and the sabbath (Friday, Passover) drew on."

Joh_19:14 says, "IT WAS THE PREPARATION (Thursday) OF THE PASSOVER (Friday), and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!"

Joh_19:31 says, "The Jews therefore, because IT WAS THE PREPARATION (Thursday), that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day [Passover] was AN HIGH DAY,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away."

THERE ARE TWO RAPTURES, MID-TRIB AND POST-TRIB

Mt 24:24-31 is talking about the Last-Trump Rapture of ICo 15:51-54, which takes place immediately after the Great Tribulation.

Mat 24:24-31 says, "For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect (i.e., those that will be caught up in the First-Trump Rapture, ITh 4:16,17). 25 Behold, I have told you before. 26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. 27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 28 For wheresoever the carcase (body, i.e., Body of Christ, caught up Mid-Trib) is (i.e., at that time, it will be in Heaven), there will the eagles (i.e., saints out of the Great Tribulation) be gathered together. 29 Immediately AFTER THE TRIBULATION of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then (tote, at that time) shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect (i.e., the Bride of Christ, previously caught up Mid-Trib) from the four winds, from one end of HEAVEN to the other."

Mar 13:23-27 says, "But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things. 24 But in those days, after that tribulation (i.e., after the Great Tribulation), the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, 25 And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken. 26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. 27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth (i.e., in the Post-Trib Rapture) to the uttermost part of heaven (i.e., those caught up in the Mid-Trib Rapture)."24 But in those days, AFTER THAT TRIBULATION (i.e., after the Great Tribulation), the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, 25 And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken. 26 And then (tote, at that time) shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. 27 And then (tote, at that time) shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth (i.e., those caught up after the Great Tribulation) to the uttermost part of heaven" (i.e., those that were caught up Mid-Trib).

THOSE THAT DWELL IN HEAVEN MID-TRIB

Rev 13:5-11 says, "And there was given unto him (i.e., Antichrist) a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months (i.e., during the first half of the Tribulation). 6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and THEM THAT DWELL IN HEAVEN (i.e., the wise-virgin saints). 7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints (i.e., the foolish-virgin saints left behind), and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. 8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. 9 If any man have an ear, let him hear. 10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints. 11 And I beheld another beast (i.e., the Satan-possessed False Prophet) coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon."

Rev 10:11 says, "And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings."

Rev 11:1-3 says, "And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, RISE (i.e., in the First-Trump Rapture), and measure the temple of God (i.e., we are the temple of the Holy Spirit), and the altar, and them that worship therein. 2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months (i.e., during the Great Tribulation). 3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses (i.e., Moses and Elijah), and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth."

Rev 12:6-12 says, "And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. 7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, 8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. 9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. 10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now (i.e., Mid-Trib) is come salvation (soteria, rescue, deliverance, i.e., the First-Trump Rapture), and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. 11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. 12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time" (i.e., the shortened Great Tribulation).

Dan 12:1 says, "And at that time (i.e., Mid-Trib) shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book."

THE SECOND RAPTURE IS WHEN THERE IS A GREAT EARTHQUAKE

Rev 11:12,13 says, "And they (i.e., Moses and Elijah) heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them. 13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell".

THE EARTHQUAKE IS CAUSED BY THE IMPACT OF THE ASTEROID WORMWOOD

Rev 8:7-11 says, "The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up. 8 And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood; 9 And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed. 10 And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters; 11 And the name of the star (aster) is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter." Agape

INCOMING EMAIL, RE: The flaming sword

I just read your article about the flaming sword and the cherubim. I'm very interested in your thoughts as they are not the typical stale explanations we've all heard before. The insight on the wheels that Ezekiel saw was just fascinating! Am I correct to say that you believe the flaming sword may be an asteroid?

I'm thankful to have come upon your post. Blessings!

MY REPLY

Thanks for your input.

Yes, I "believe the flaming sword may be an asteroid", Satan’s asteroid called Wormwood, the "stone like a great millstone" of Rev. 18:21.

Isa 22:16-19 says, "What hast thou here? (i.e., Babylon) and whom hast thou here (i.e., the Satan-possessed False Prophet), that thou hast hewed thee out a sepulchre here, as he (i.e., Satan) that heweth him out a sepulchre on high, and that graveth an habitation for himself in a rock? 17 Behold, the LORD will carry thee away with a mighty captivity, and will surely cover thee. 18 He will surely violently turn and toss thee like a ball into a large country: there shalt thou die, and there the chariots of thy glory shall be the shame of thy lord's house. 19 And I will drive thee from thy station, and from thy state shall he pull thee down."

Isa 51:9 says, "Awake, awake, put on strength, O arm of the LORD; awake, as in the ancient days, in the generations of old. Art thou not it that hath cut (chatsab, split) Rahab (i.e., now our Asteroid Belt), and wounded the dragon?"

Rev 8:10,11 says, "And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star (Gr. aster) from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters; 11 And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter."

Rev 18:21 says, "And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all."

The apostate angel civilization on Earth was wiped out by an asteroid impact before Adam was created. The apostate civilization of man will also be wiped out by an asteroid impact.

Both apostate angels and apostate men will be judged on that day.

Jud 1:6 says, "And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day." Agape

INCOMING EMAIL, RE: THE RAPTURE WILL OCCUR BETWEEN THE TWO COMING TRIBULATIONS

The rapture of the Church will occur between the TWO coming tribulation judgments according to :

Revelation 7:13-15
"Who are these in white robes, and where did they come from? These are the ones WHO COME OUT OF the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Therefore they are before the throne of God."

The aforementioned Scripture is referring back to the raptured Church as described in :

Revelation 7:9
"Behold, a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, STANDING before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, WITH PALM BRANCHES IN THEIR HANDS."

Notice that they are STANDING on their feet and have HANDS. These are the BODIES of the people of the RAPTURED CHURCH which have been redeemed, glorified, and raptured. The rapture occurs BETWEEN the "shortened" tribulation judgment of Israel, and the 1,260 day tribulation judgment of the "whole world".

Revelation 3:10
"I also will KEEP YOU FROM the hour of temptation (tribulation) which will come upon the WHOLE WORLD to test those who (are left-behind to) dwell on the earth."

Romans 8:23
"But ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption and the REDEMPTION OF OUR BODY."

Luke 21:28
"Now when these things BEGIN TO HAPPEN (in Israel), look up and lift up your heads, because YOUR REDEMPTION (rapture) draws near."

The rapture will occur AFTER the "shortened" tribulation judgment UPON ISRAEL, and BEFORE the 1,260 day-long tribulation judgment UPON THE WHOLE WORLD.

MY REPLY

> > The rapture will occur AFTER the "shortened" tribulation judgment UPON ISRAEL, and BEFORE the 1,260 day-long tribulation judgment UPON THE WHOLE WORLD.

I agree with a Mid-Trib Rapture, but why do you think the first half of the Tribulation will be shortened?

I know that the last half of the Tribulation, the Great Tribulation, is to be shortened.

Mat 24:21,22 says, "For then shall be GREAT TRIBULATION, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And except THOSE DAYS SHOULD BE SHORTENED, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened."

Mar 13:14-20 says, "But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains: 15 And let him that is on the housetop not go down into the house, neither enter therein, to take any thing out of his house: 16 And let him that is in the field not turn back again for to take up his garment. 17 But woe to them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! 18 And pray ye that your flight be not in the winter. 19 For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be. 20 And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days."

Like you, I keep searching for clues, for in Mar 13:23, Jesus said, "But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things."

I keep learning. Recently, I found out that the Transfiguration was a picture of the Mid-Trib Rapture, when Moses and Elijah return.

There are two Raptures. The First-Trump Rapture is in ITh 4:16,17, Rev 4:1, and Rev 11:1. The Last-Trump Rapture is in ICor 15:51-54 and Rev 11:12. All the saints receive their immortal bodies at the last Rapture.

John gave us a Preview of the First-Trump Rapture.

Rev 1:9-11 says, "I John, who also am your brother, and companion IN TRIBULATION, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ. 10 I was (lit., became) in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, 11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega".

The first Rapture is the Mid-Trib "COME UP HITHER" of Rev 4;1 and the "RISE" in Rev 11:1. The second Rapture is the "COME UP HITHER" of Rev 11:12.

The part that is to be shortened is the 1260-day period of Rev 11:3. It says, "And I will give power unto my two witnesses (i.e., Moses and Elijah), and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth."

The First-Trump Rapture of I Th 4:16,17 and Rev 11:1 takes place Mid-Trib.

"THEM THAT DWELL IN HEAVEN"

Rev 13:5-11 says, "And there was given unto him (i.e., Antichrist, the first beast) a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies (i.e., Pope Francis said that God was not divine); and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months (i.e., during the first half of the Tribulation). 6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and THEM THAT DWELL IN HEAVEN (i.e., the wise-virgin saints). 7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints (i.e., the foolish virgins left behind), and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. 8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. 9 If any man have an ear, let him hear. 10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints. 11 And I beheld another beast (i.e., the Satan-possessed False Prophet) coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon."

Rev 10:11 says, "And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy AGAIN before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings."

Rev 11:1,2 says, "And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, RISE (i.e., in the First-Trump Rapture), and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein. 2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months."

There is no earthquake at the First-Trump Rapture, but there is a great earthquake at the Last-Trump Rapture.

Rev 11:12,13 says, "And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, COME UP HITHER. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them. 13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven."

> > Revelation 3:10
> > "I also will KEEP YOU FROM the hour of temptation (tribulation) which will come upon the WHOLE WORLD to test those who (are left-behind to) dwell on the earth."

We will be kept from the time that the False Prophet will require all to accept the Mark of the Beast. Agape

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