Pro and Con 1942

Posted 10-29-16

ANOTHER METEORITE CAME IN OVER RUSSIA

"According to an article published in Pravda today, eyewitnesses said meteorite fell on the ground in the area of Lake Baikal. "It was as bright as daylight for five or six seconds," eyewitnesses wrote adding that the meteorite fell behind the Barguzin ridge.

"The incident could be observed from the city of Ulan-Ude and its suburbs, Baikal-Daily publication said."

10-25-16 in Tum Kameralardan, near Lake Baikal, Russia
https://watchers.news/2016/10/26/meteorite-russia-lake-faikal-siberia-october-25-2016

"Oct 26, 2016, Meteor crashes into Russia While a 6.4 earthquake hits Italy apocalyptic signs of the last days"
http://www.paulbegleyprophecy.com

"The meteor fireball that crashed into Russia in February (2013) was part of a 656-foot wide asteroid called 2011 EO40.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2387639/Meteor-crashed-Russia-656-foot-wide-asteroid-broke-orbit-Earth.html#ixzz4OK9n95Ye

I wonder if this meteor was also part of the asteroid 2011 EO40.

ACTUAL ANCIENT LOCATION OF THE EASTERN GATE
OF THE TEMPLE MOUNT

"The location of the Temple according to Ishtori Haparchi

Ishtori Haparchi was a Jewsish (Jewish) scholar and a geographer. He lived in the 13th century and visited and toured Israel. According to his descriptions, the Eastern Gate of the Temple Mount Court was found on the southern third of the eastern wall (Kaftor va Ferach, Jerusalem 5657, 6, 92)."
http://www.templemount.org/tuviatemple.pdf

Why is this important?

The priest that killed the red heifer on the Mt. of Olives looked directly into the door of the Temple.

Also, "in accordance with the Mishna descriptions (Para 3,3) that the Temple Mount was above hollow ground."

Therefore, the Temple was south of the Dome of the Rock.

"The Holy of Holies was at El-Kas
730m; The aqueduct height is 737.5m"

"The Southern Alternative 1 placed upon the Temple Mount's topography. The holy of Holies was placed at El Kas (the Cup); water from the Aqueduct (737.5m) reached both the High Priest's Bath (Mikve) (737.5) and the Priest's Court (727.4m)."

"Conclusion: If Water from the Aqueduct reached only the Priest's Court, the entire rock face is beneath the Courts and the Temple Mount floor. Both the Aqueduct and the rock face prove that the Temple was to the South of the Temple Mount, between the El Aqsa Mosque and the Dome of the Rock, in the El-Kas (the Cup) region."

"The Temple was in the region of El Kas (the Cup); the Aqueduct (737.5m) only reaches the Priest's Court floor (737.5m) and the rock face does not breach the built area at all. This alternative correlates with the Mishna descriptions: "the Temple is hollow beneath". Only in the region of El- Kas, South of the Dome of the Rock, can we place the Holy of Holies. This conclusion correlates with the Ishtori Haparchi's descriptions and the testimony of Hieronymus."

"The Temple was in the region of El Kas (the Cup); the Aqueduct (737.5m) only reaches the Priest's Court floor (737.5m) and the rock face does not breach the built area at all. This alternative correlates with the Mishna descriptions: "the Temple is hollow beneath". Only in the region of El- Kas, South of the Dome of the Rock, can we place the Holy of Holies. This conclusion correlates with the Ishtori Haparchi's descriptions and the testimony of Hieronymus."
http://www.bible.ca/archeology/bible-archeology-jerusalem-temple-mount-threshing-floor-aqueduct.htm

MY EMAIL

I enjoyed reading your web site about where Herod's Temple was located.
http://templemountlocation.com/chapterOne.html etc.

I too have done lots of research on this subject. I agree with Tuvia Sagiv. The Temple was built over the Kas Fountain. Look at the aqueduct. It came in at Wilson's Arch and turned southeast toward the Kas Fountain and the cistern called the Great Sea.

The Holy of Holies represented Heaven. It backed up toward the Wailing Wall.

The Holy of Holies was built up with arches and pillars over the deepest caverns in the rock face south of the Dome of the Rock. See a Temple Mount Relief Map. Your Charles Warren's Water Channel Map will do.

According to Josephus, the rock under the Dome of the Rock was much taller than now, and was located just north of the outer wall of Fort Antonia, which occupied the northern section of the Temple Mount.

In Wars, V. V. 8, Josephus wrote, "Now, as to the tower of Antonia, it was situated at the corner of two cloisters of the court of the temple; of that on the west and that on the north; it was erected upon a ROCK of fifty cubits in height, and was on a great precipice...the rock itself was covered over with smooth pieces of stone, from its foundation both for ornament, and that any one who would either try to get up, or to go down it, might not be able to hold his feet upon it. Next to this, and before you come to the edifice of the tower itself, there was a wall three cubits high; but within that wall all the space of the tower of Antonia itself was built upon, to the height of forty cubits." Agape

HER REPLY

Tuvia Sagiv did an excellent job showing that the Temple was not located on the Dome of the Rock platform. In fact his work was very helpful to me. As you know Tuvia does not include the western wall as part of the the Temple compound but rather that it was built by Hadrian in 135 AD. I did not find this to be true. The finding of the Trumpeting stone as having fallen from the SW corner proves, according to Josephus, that the western wall was indeed part of Herod's Temple compound. This tells up that the Wailing Wall was actually the western wall of Herod's Temple compound. Also the discovery of the Akra/Acra in the Givati parking lot points to a lower location for the Temple than what Tuvia suggests. From the top of the Tower they were able to see inside the Temple, which requires an even lower, and more southern location for the Temple than what Tuvia suggested. It of course fits well with my location. In fact only my location fits with this new discovery of the Akra. The large ancient steps in front of the south wall are the steps Josephus wrote about as leading up to the sacred area, or inner wall and gate. His measurements are identical concerning the wall. It was found that these steps were cut into bedrock showing an outcrop of bedrock in this area, which allows for the threshing floor to be located above these steps as part of this same outcropping of rock creating a second hill half way up the mount, on which the altar and Temple was built. I am glad you enjoyed reading my work, but I am not sure why you wrote to me?

MY REPLY

I wrote because I think you want to know exactly where the Temple was located. I didn't think you would want to place it too far south if you had more facts.

I too think the existing Western Wall was built by Hadrian. However, it probably ends at about the correct southern point. Some of the steps at the southern end are, as you know, cut into bedrock.

You might want to give the following some thought.

The Royal Stoa was built across the southern edge of the Temple Mount.

"Royal Stoa (Jerusalem)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Stoa_(Jerusalem)

"The Royal Stoa was an ancient basilica constructed by Herod the Great during his renovation ... after the same manner; the breadth of each of them was 30 feet (9.1 m), the length was 1 furlong (200 m; 660 ft)" The aqueduct came in at Wilson's Arch and turned southeast toward the Al Kas Fountain and the largest cistern on the Temple Mount, the Great Sea (number 8 on Warren's map). See map at: http://www.bible.ca/archeology/bible-archeology-jerusalem-temple-mount-charles-wilson-charles-warren.htm To me, these place the Temple over the Kas Fountain, and the Holy of Holies would have lined up pretty well with the present Wailing Wall. Agape

INCOMING EMAIL, RE: ISN'T IT INTERESTING

Isn't it interesting that the Book of Revelation which gives us many end- time periods and day-counts: ie. "time, times and half a time" 3 1/2 years," ten days tribulation", "1,260 days" , "42 months" BUT, NOWHERE DOES IT MENTION A SEVEN YEAR TIME PERIOD ? !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

MY REPLY

That is because The Revelation of Jesus Christ is written from a Mid-Trib viewpoint. Jesus is revealed when the first Rapture is at hand Mid-Trib.

Rev 1:1 says, "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass".

Rev 1:3 says, "Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand."

Rev 22:10 says, "And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand."

Rev 1:8 says, "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is (i.e., at Mid-Trib), and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty."

Rev 1:9-11 says, "I John, who also am your brother, and companion IN TRIBULATION, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos (i.e., meaning mortal), for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ. 10 I was (lit., became) in the Spirit on the Lord's day (i.e., Day of the Lord Jesus Christ), and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, 11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega".

It seems that the Mid-Trib Day of the Lord Jesus Christ is the day of the first Rapture, and the Post-Trib Day of the Lord is the day of the last Rapture.

THE FIRST-TRUMP RAPTURE - MID-TRIB - WE PUT ON INCORRUPTION

1Th 4:16,17 says, "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."

1Co 15:22,23 says, "For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming."

THE LAST-TRUMP RAPTURE - POST-TRIB - WE PUT ON IMMORTALITY

1Co 15:51-54 says, "Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For THIS CORRUPTIBLE MUST PUT ON INCORRUPTION, AND THIS MORTAL MUST PUT ON IMMORTALITY. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory."

Joh 16:33 says, "In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world."

Rev 1:12-16 says, "And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks; 13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle. 14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire; 15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters. 16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength."

The Transfiguration also speaks of Mid-Trib, when the First-Trump Rapture takes place and Moses and Elijah come to Earth.

Mat 17:1-8 says, "And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart, 2 And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light. 3 And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him. 4 Then answered Peter, and said unto Jesus, Lord, it is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, let us make here three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias. 5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him. 6 And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their face, and were sore afraid. 7 And Jesus came and touched them, and said, Arise, and be not afraid. 8 And when they had lifted up their eyes, they saw no man, save Jesus only."

The First-Trump Rapture is in Rev 4:1.

Rev 4:1,2 says, "After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter. 2 And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne."

Rev 10:11 says, "Thou must prophesy AGAIN before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings."

Immediately, Rev 11:1-3 says, "And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, RISE (i.e., in the Mid-Trib Rapture), and measure the temple of God (i.e., we are the Temple of the Holy Spirit), and the altar, and them that worship therein. 2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months. 3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses (i.e., Moses and Elijah), and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days (i.e., during the Great Tribulation), clothed in sackcloth."

Moses and Elijah will be caught up in the second Rapture, when there will be a great earthquake.

Rev 11:12,13 says, "And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, COME UP HITHER. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them. 13 And the same hour was there A GREAT EARTHQUAKE, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven."

Zep 2:3 says, "Seek ye the LORD, all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought his judgment; seek righteousness, seek meekness: it may be ye shall be hid (sathar, be absent) in the day of the LORD'S anger." Agape

INCOMING EMAIL, RE: THE RAPTURE WILL OCCUR BETWEEN THE TWO COMING TRIBULATIONS

The rapture of the Church will occur between the TWO coming tribulation judgments according to:

Revelation 7:13-15
"Who are these in white robes, and where did they come from? These are the ones WHO COME OUT OF the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Therefore they are before the throne of God."

The aforementioned Scripture is referring back to the raptured Church as described in:

Revelation 7:9
"Behold, a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, STANDING before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, WITH PALM BRANCHES IN THEIR HANDS."

Notice that they are STANDING on their feet and have HANDS. These are the BODIES of the people of the RAPTURED CHURCH which have been redeemed, glorified, and raptured. The rapture occurs BETWEEN the "shortened" tribulation judgment of Israel, and the 1,260 day tribulation judgment of the "whole world".

Revelation 3:10
"I also will KEEP YOU FROM the hour of temptation (tribulation) which will come upon the WHOLE WORLD to test those who (are left-behind to) dwell on the earth."

Romans 8:23
"But ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption and the REDEMPTION OF OUR BODY."

Luke 21:28
"Now when these things BEGIN TO HAPPEN (in Israel), look up and lift up your heads, because YOUR REDEMPTION (rapture) draws near."

The rapture will occur AFTER the "shortened" tribulation judgment UPON ISRAEL, and BEFORE the 1,260 day-long tribulation judgment UPON THE WHOLE WORLD.

MY REPLY

I agree with a Mid-Trib Rapture, but why do you think the first half of the Tribulation will be shortened?

I know that the last half of the Tribulation, the Great Tribulation, is to be shortened.

Mat 24:21,22 says, "For then shall be GREAT TRIBULATION, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And except THOSE DAYS SHOULD BE SHORTENED, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened."

Mar 13:14-20 says, "But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains: 15 And let him that is on the housetop not go down into the house, neither enter therein, to take any thing out of his house: 16 And let him that is in the field not turn back again for to take up his garment. 17 But woe to them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! 18 And pray ye that your flight be not in the winter. 19 For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be. 20 And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days."

Like you, I keep searching for clues, for in Mar 13:23, Jesus said, "But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things."

I keep learning. Recently, I found out that the Transfiguration was a picture of the Mid-Trib Rapture, when Moses and Elijah return.

There are two Raptures. The First-Trump Rapture is in ITh 4:16,17, Rev 4:1, and Rev 11:1. The Last-Trump Rapture is in ICor 15:51-54 and Rev 11:12. All the saints receive their immortal bodies at the last Rapture.

John gave us a Preview of the First-Trump Rapture.

Rev 1:9-11 says, "I John, who also am your brother, and companion IN TRIBULATION, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ. 10 I was (lit., became) in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, 11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega".

The first Rapture is the Mid-Trib "COME UP HITHER" of Rev 4;1 and the "RISE" in Rev 11:1. The second Rapture is the "COME UP HITHER" of Rev 11:12.

The part that is to be shortened is the 1260-day period of Rev 11:3. It says, "And I will give power unto my two witnesses (i.e., Moses and Elijah), and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth."

The First-Trump Rapture of I Th 4:16,17 and Rev 11:1 takes place Mid-Trib.

"THEM THAT DWELL IN HEAVEN"

Rev 13:5-11 says, "And there was given unto him (i.e., Antichrist, the first beast) a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies (i.e., Pope Francis said that God was not divine); and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months (i.e., during the first half of the Tribulation). 6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and THEM THAT DWELL IN HEAVEN (i.e., the wise-virgin saints). 7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints (i.e., the foolish virgins left behind), and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. 8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. 9 If any man have an ear, let him hear. 10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints. 11 And I beheld another beast (i.e., the Satan-possessed False Prophet) coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon."

Rev 10:11 says, "And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy AGAIN before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings."

Rev 11:1,2 says, "And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, RISE (i.e., in the First-Trump Rapture), and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein. 2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months."

There is no earthquake at the First-Trump Rapture, but there is a great earthquake at the Last-Trump Rapture.

Rev 11:12,13 says, "And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, COME UP HITHER. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them. 13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven."

> > Revelation 3:10
> > "I also will KEEP YOU FROM the hour of temptation (tribulation) which will come upon the WHOLE WORLD to test those who (are left-behind to) dwell on the earth."

We will be kept from the time that the False Prophet will require all to accept the Mark of the Beast. Agape

INCOMING EMAIL

I do not believe that there are two raptures, but I do believe that there are two phases of the great tribulation.
the first phase is the shortened, by Jesus, phase BEFORE THE RAPTURE, and the second phase AFTER THE RAPTURE is the 1,260 days of Satan's reign.

MY REPLY

To me, the last phase, the 1260-day Great Tribulation, is to be shortened or no flesh would be saved.

Mat_24:21,22 says, "For then shall be GREAT TRIBULATION, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And except THOSE DAYS SHOULD BE SHORTENED, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake THOSE DAYS SHALL BE SHORTENED."

Mar_13:14-20 says, "But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains: 15 And let him that is on the housetop not go down into the house, neither enter therein, to take any thing out of his house: 16 And let him that is in the field not turn back again for to take up his garment. 17 But woe to them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! 18 And pray ye that your flight be not in the winter. 19 For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be. 20 And except that the Lord had SHORTENED THOSE DAYS, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath SHORTENED THE DAYS."

What days are to be shortened? the last half of the Tribulation.

Rev 12:12-14 says, "Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a SHORT TIME. 13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child. 14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent."

Rev 17:10 says, "And there are seven kings: five are fallen (i.e., kings of Babel, Babylon II, Media-Persia, Greece, Holy Roman Empire), and one is (i.e., Ecclesiastical Holy Roman Empire), and the other (i.e., Babylon III) is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue A SHORT SPACE."

MID-TRIB RAPTURE, MOSES AND ELIJAH ARRIVE

Rev 13:5-11 says, "And there was given unto him (i.e., Antichrist) a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months (i.e., during the first half of the Tribulation). 6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God (i.e., Pope Francis said that God was not divine), to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and THEM THAT DWELL IN HEAVEN (i.e., the wise-virgin saints). 7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints (i.e., the foolish-virgin saints left behind), and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. 8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. 9 If any man have an ear, let him hear. 10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints. 11 And I beheld another beast (i.e., the Satan-possessed False Prophet)coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon."

Rev 4:1 says, "After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, COME UP HITHER, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter."

Rev 10:11 says, "And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy AGAIN before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings."

Rev 11:1-3 says, "And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, RISE (i.e., in the First-Trump Rapture), and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein. 2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months. 3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses (i.e., Moses and Elijah), and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth."

LAST RAPTURE: MOSES AND ELIJAH CAUGHT UP, AND THE SAME HOUR THERE IS A GREAT EARTHQUAKE

Rev 11:12,13 says, "And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them (i.e., Moses and Elijah), COME UP HITHER. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them. 13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven." Agape

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