Pro and Con 1943

Posted 11-4-16

MOSES AND ELIJAH COME BACK MID-TRIB

Mal 4:5,6 says, "Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD: 6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse."

"ANCIENT MUSLIM INSCRIPTION PROVES
JEWISH TIES TO TEMPLE MOUNT"

"Thousand-year-old inscription discovered at mosque near Hebron calls Dome of the Rock "Bait al-Maqdess," Arabicized version of Beit Hamikdash, Hebrew name for the Temple Archaeologist: There is plenty of evidence early Islam was influenced by Judaism.
Yori Yalon"...
"The inscription was discovered at a recently excavated central mosque in the village of Nuba near Hebron."...
"The papyrus is the oldest example of Hebrew writing found to date that mentions Jerusalem, which along with the inscription from the Nuba village mosque demonstrates the Jewish people's unquestionable ties to the Temple Mount, despite the recent vote by UNESCO to negate that historical link."
http://www.israelhayom.com/site/newsletter_article.php?id=37507

INCOMING EMAIL, RE: THE GOG-MAGOG WAR AGAINST ISRAEL SOON TO COME

THE GOG-MAGOG WAR AGAINST ISRAEL SOON TO COME 'BEFORE THE RAPTURE' Ezekiel 38:1 and continuing
"Son of Man, set your face against Gog, of the land of Magog.......and prophesy against him, and say, 'Thus says the Lord God, Behold, I am against you O Gog'. I will turn you around, put hooks into your jaws, and lead you out with all your army......After many days you will be visited. In the latter years you will come into the land of those brought back.....and gathered back from many peoples on the mountains of Israel which had long been desolate : they were brought out of the nations..."

Israel was re-established as a nation on May 14, 1948 after about 2,000 years of dispersion into the world. Israel was made complete, as a nation again, 19 years later on June 6, 1967 after the Six Day War when God's Holy City of Jerusalem was given back the possession of Jerusalem after 2,000 years.

Ezekiel 38:14 and continuing
"Therefore, Son of Man, prophesy and say to Gog........Then you will come from your place out of the far north, you and many peoples with you, a great company and mighty army. It will be in the latter days that I WILL BRING YOU AGAINST ( Israel)......My servants, the prophets of Israel, who prophesied for years that IN THOSE (latter) DAYS THAT I WOULD BRING YOU AGAINST THEM. And it will come to pass, AT THE SAME TIME, when Gog comes against the land of Israel .......Surely IN THAT DAY, there shall be a GREAT EARTHQUAKE in the land of Israel."

Luke 21:28
"Now when these things BEGIN TO HAPPEN (in Israel), look up and lift up your heads, because YOUR REDEMPTION (rapture) DRAWS NEAR."

The Gog-Magog War upon Israel is 'GOD'S SIGN' for the Church to "WATCH" for BEFORE our pending rapture.

MY REPLY

> > THE GOG-MAGOG WAR AGAINST ISRAEL SOON TO COME 'BEFORE THE RAPTURE'

> > The Gog-Magog War upon Israel is 'GOD'S SIGN' for the Church to "WATCH" for BEFORE our pending rapture.

I don't think the Gog and Magog war will take place before the First-Trump Rapture of ITh 4:16,17.

FIRST-TRUMP RAPTURE, WHEN WE PUT ON INCORRUPTION

1Th 4:16,17 says, "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."

To me, the day of Jacob's trouble will come at the Last-Trump Rapture on the Day of the Lord at the end of the Great Tribulation.

Jer_30:7-9 says, "Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble; but he shall be saved out of it. 8 For it shall come to pass in that day, saith the LORD of hosts, that I will break his yoke from off thy neck, and will burst thy bonds, and strangers shall no more serve themselves of him: 9 But they shall serve the LORD their God, and David their king, whom I will raise up unto them."

LAST-TRUMP RAPTURE, WHEN WE PUT ON IMMORTALITY

1Co 15:51-54 says, "Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory."

THE FIRST DEPARTING COMES BEFORE THE FALSE PROPHET IS REVEALED

2 Thessalonians 2:1-8 (1599 Geneva Bible) says, "Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our assembling unto him, 2 That ye be not suddenly moved from your mind, nor troubled neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter, as it were from us, as though the day of Christ (i.e., should be Day of the Lord, as in the Vatican, Alexandrine and Sinaitic codices) were at hand. 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a DEPARTING FIRST (i.e., the First-Trump Rapture), and that that man of sin be disclosed, even the son of perdition (i.e., the FALSE PROPHET). 4 Which is an adversary, and exalteth himself against all that is called God, or that is worshipped: so that he doth sit as God in the Temple of God, showing himself that he is God." 5 Remember ye not, that when I was yet with you, I told you these things? 6 And now ye know what withholdeth, that he might be revealed in his time (i.e., the Great Tribulation). 7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he which now withholdeth, shall let till he be taken out of the way. 8 And then (tote, at that time) shall that wicked man be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the Spirit of his mouth, and shall abolish with the brightness of his coming".

THE GOG AND MAGOG WAR "SHALL BE IN THE LATTER DAYS", "WHEN GOG SHALL COME AGAINST THE LAND OF ISRAEL"

Eze 38:14-23 says, "Therefore, son of man, prophesy and say unto Gog, Thus saith the Lord GOD; In that day when my people of Israel dwelleth safely, shalt thou not know it? 15 And thou shalt come from thy place out of the north parts, thou, and many people with thee, all of them riding upon horses, a great company, and a mighty army: 16 And thou shalt come up against my people of Israel, as a cloud to cover the land; IT SHALL BE IN THE LATTER DAYS, and I will bring thee against my land, that the heathen may know me, when I shall be sanctified in thee, O Gog, before their eyes. 17 Thus saith the Lord GOD; Art thou he of whom I have spoken in old time by my servants the prophets of Israel, which prophesied in those days many years that I would bring thee against them? 18 And it shall come to pass AT THE SAME TIME WHEN GOG SHALL COME AGAINST THE LAND OF ISRAEL, SAITH THE LORD GOD, THAT MY FURY SHALL COME UP IN MY FACE. 19 For in my jealousy and in the fire of my wrath have I spoken, Surely in that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel; 20 So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence (paniym, face), and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground. 21 And I will call for a sword against him throughout all my mountains, saith the Lord GOD: every man's sword shall be against his brother. 22 And I will plead against him with pestilence and with blood; and I will rain upon him, and upon his bands, and upon the many people that are with him, an overflowing rain, and great hailstones, fire, and brimstone. 23 Thus will I magnify myself, and sanctify myself; and I WILL BE KNOWN IN THE EYES OF MANY NATIONS (i.e., they will see the Sign of the Son of Man in the sky), and they shall know that I am the LORD."

THE "SIGN OF THE SON OF MAN" WILL BE SEEN "IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE TRIBULATION"

Mat 24:29,30 says, "IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE TRIBULATION of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the SIGN OF THE SON OF MAN in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, AND THEY SHALL SEE THE SON OF MAN COMING IN THE CLOUDS OF HEAVEN with power and great glory." Agape

MY REPLY TO A POST ON FIVE DOVES

> > Gino (30 Oct 2016)
> > "How do they see it?"

> > How do people see a pre-Adamic world, whose destruction is supposedly mentioned in Jeremiah 4:23, when the following:

> > Revelation 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

> > Says "the first earth" was what passed away, not the second earth passed away.

To me, this Earth, "the first earth," was inhabited by fallen angels between the last ice age and the creation of Adam.

Jud 1:6 says, "And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day."

The fallen angels were judged and their settlements destroyed before Adam was created. That is why Gen 1:1,2 says, "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 2 And the earth was (lit., became) without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep."

2Pe 3:5-7 says, "For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: 6 Whereby THE WORLD THAT THEN WAS, BEING OVERFLOWED WITH WATER, PERISHED: 7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto FIRE against the day of judgment and perdition (apoleia, destruction) of ungodly men."

Isa 51:15,16 says, "I am the LORD thy God, that DIVIDED THE SEA, whose waves roared: The LORD of hosts is his name. 16 And I have put my words in thy mouth, and I have covered thee in the shadow of mine hand, that I may plant (nata, strike in, plant, fix, fasten) the heavens, and lay (yasad, set, found, establish, lay) the foundations of the earth, and say unto Zion, Thou art my people."

Psa 89:9-11 says, "Thou rulest THE RAGING OF THE SEA: when the waves thereof arise, thou stillest them. 10 Thou hast broken Rahab in pieces (i.e., that planet is now our Asteroid Belt), as one that is slain; thou hast scattered thine enemies (i.e., Satan and his followers) with thy strong arm. 11 The heavens are thine, the earth also is thine: as for the world and the fulness thereof, thou hast founded them."

The angel settlements were destroyed by an asteroid impact before Adam was created. This left earth dark.

This asteroid probably came from Satan's planet Rehab, now our Asteroid Belt.

Isa 51:9 says, "Awake, awake, put on strength, O arm of the LORD; awake, as in the ancient days, in the generations of old. Art thou not it that hath cut (chatsab, split) Rahab (i.e., the planet that is now our Asteroid Belt), and wounded the dragon (i.e., Satan)?"

At that time, it looks like God dug the Moon material out of the Pacific Basin. Sea water carrying ocean bottom splashed over the tallest mountains. The Himalayan Mountains are now covered with limestone. Sea water flowed into the fresh-water Black Sea.

Gobekli Tepe, Karahan Tepe, Hamzan Tepe, Cayonu, Catalhoyuk, Nevali Cori, and other angel settlements in northern Syria and the Taurus Mtns. of Turkey, were covered with sand and dirt.

Granite ocean bottom was splashed over Riverside, CA (where I live). Limestone formed at 30 degrees south is now at 30 degrees north along the California coast. San Francisco is earthquake prone, because it is made up of several different terrenes. Agape

INCOMING EMAIL, RE: THE 'TWO' TRIBULATIONS
ARE DESCRIBED IN REVELATION

The FIRST "shortened" tribulation judgment, which is UPON ISRAEL ONLY, is described in the Book of Revelation as Seals #2,#3 & #4 . The FIRST "shortened" tribulation judgment is also the Gog-Magog War upon Israel.

Seal #6 describes the events of the RAPTURE which occurs AFTER the FIRST "shortened " tribulation judgment upon ISRAEL ONLY, but BEFORE the SECOND "42 month" tribulation judgment upon the WHOLE WORLD.

Seal #7 describes the 21 judgments, over a period of 42 months, which is the SECOND tribulation judgment UPON THE WHOLE WORLD. It is the 1,260 day period BETWEEN the rapture on Nisan 10, Day of Palms and the Second Coming of the Lord on the New Moon on Tishri 1, Feast of Trumpets 1,260 days later.

The fact that the rapture happens AFTER the first "shortened" tribulation judgment upon ISRAEL ONLY, but BEFORE the second "42 month" tribulation judgment upon the WHOLE WORLD explains the following Scripture and makes it completely understandable :

Revelation 7:14-15 (referring to the great multitude in heaven) "There are the ones (the raptured Church) WHO COME OUT OF THE GREAT TRIBULATION .........Therefore they (the raptured Church) are before the throne of God.."

MY REPLY

> > THE 'TWO' TRIBULATIONS ARE DESCRIBED IN REVELATION

> > The FIRST "shortened" tribulation judgment, which is UPON ISRAEL ONLY, is described in the Book of Revelation as Seals #2,#3 & #4 . The FIRST "shortened" tribulation judgment is also the Gog-Magog War upon Israel.

Why have you changed your mind? Back in 2012, you said,

"THE GREAT TRIBULATION IS 'SHORTENED IN DURATION'...
www.fivedoves.com/letters/feb2012/brucew216-2.htm
"Feb 16, 2012 - Dear Doves, Matthew 24:22 'If those days (of great tribulation) had not been cut short (by the rapture), no one would survive"

The two halves of the 7-year Tribulation are described in the book of Revelation. To me, the last half, called the Great Tribulation, is to be shortened or no flesh would be saved.

Pro_10:27 says, "The fear of the LORD prolongeth days: but the years of the wicked shall be shortened."

FOR SURE, THE GREAT TRIBULATION IS TO BE SHORTENED

Mat_24:21,22 says, "For then shall be GREAT TRIBULATION, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And except THOSE DAYS SHOULD BE SHORTENED, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened."

The Gog and Magog war will not take place until the the time of God's wrath at the end of the shortened Great Tribulation.

Eze 38:18-23 says, "And it shall come to pass at the same time when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, saith the Lord GOD, that MY FURY shall come up in my face. 19 For in my jealousy and in the fire of MY WRATH have I spoken, Surely in that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel; 20 So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence, and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground. 21 And I will call for a sword against him throughout all my mountains, saith the Lord GOD: every man's sword shall be against his brother. 22 And I will plead against him with pestilence and with blood; and I will rain upon him, and upon his bands, and upon the many people that are with him, an overflowing rain, and great hailstones, fire, and brimstone. 23 Thus will I magnify myself, and sanctify myself; and I will be known in the eyes of many nations, and they shall know that I am the LORD."

THERE ARE TWO RAPTURES, TWO COME UP HITHERS, ONE BEFORE THE SEVEN-SEALED BOOK IS GIVEN TO CHRIST, THE OTHER AT THE SIXTH SEAL

The first "COME UP HITHER" takes place in Rev. 4:1, which is Mid-Trib. It is during the reign of Antichrist, before the False Prophet comes to power Mid-Trib. There is no earthquake.

Rev 4:1 says, "After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, COME UP HITHER, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter."

The last "COME UP HITHER" takes place in Rev 11:12. There is a great earthquake.

Rev 11:12,13 says, "And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them. 13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake".

Rev 13:5-11 says, "And there was given unto him (i.e., Antichrist) a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months (i.e., during the first half of the Tribulation). 6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and THEM THAT DWELL IN HEAVEN (i.e., the wise-virgin saints just caught up). 7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints (i.e., the foolish-virgin saints left behind), and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. 8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. 9 If any man have an ear, let him hear. 10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints. 11 And I beheld another beast (i.e., the SATAN-POSSESSED FALSE PROPHET) coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon."

Rev 10:11 says, "And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy AGAIN before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings."

Therefore, the "RISE" in Rev 11:1 is the First-Trump Rapture. The two witnesses, Moses and Elijah arrive at the time of the Mid-Trib first Rapture.

Rev 11:1-3 says, "And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, RISE, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein. 2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months. 3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth."

After the Mid-Trib Rapture of Rev 4:1, the seven-sealed book is given to Christ in Rev 5:7.

Rev 5:6,7 says, "And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth. 7 And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne." Agape

INCOMING EMAIL, RE: THE CHURCH WILL NEVER

BECAUSE GOD LOVES HIS 'FAITHFUL CHURCH' IT WILL NEVER:

(1) Never enter into God's great tribulation judgment upon the whole world because God's 1,260 day-long great tribulation judgment upon the whole world cannot begin until AFTER the faithful Church is raptured to heaven occurs.

(2) Never meet Satan because Satan is not cast down to earth until the SAME TIME that the faithful Church is raptured to heaven. The faithful Church and Satan will never be present on earth AT THE SAME TIME.

(3) Never meet Satan's anti-Christ because his anti-Christ is not revealed by Satan until AFTER the faithful Church is raptured to heaven, and not until AFTER Satan is cast down to earth. ( that is two "afters")

(4) Never see a seven-year-long tribulation because that is an 'old-wives-tale' handed down by the ill-informed.

(5) Never see a seven-year-long anti-Christ peace treaty because that is also an 'old-wives-tale' handed down by the ill-informed.

(6) Never rapture His Church without, FIRST, giving His Church 'THE SIGN' He promised to give to us, BEFORE THE RAPTURE, in the Scriptures. 'The sign' He promised to us is the "shortened" tribulation judgment upon Israel ONLY Spoken of in Matthew 24:22 and Mark 13:20 and Luke 21:20-23. Then Matthew 24:29 describes the rapture happening, "AFTER the tribulation OF THOSE DAYS". Mark 13:24 describes the rapture happening, "AFTER THAT tribulation".

The "desolation" of Jerusalem, by the abomination of desolation, must occur as "THE SIGN" of our pending rapture BEFORE the rapture can happen according to : Luke 21:28
"When you see these things BEGIN TO HAPPEN, (in Israel) look up and lift up your heads, because your redemption (rature) draws near."

MY REPLY

> > THE CHURCH WILL NEVER
> > (1) Never enter into God's great tribulation judgment upon the whole world because God's 1,260 day-long great tribulation judgment upon the whole world cannot begin until AFTER the faithful Church is raptured to heaven occurs.

I agree. The First-Trump Rapture is Mid-Trib. The Great Tribulation is the last 1260 days.

> > (2) Never meet Satan because Satan is not cast down to earth until the SAME TIME that the faithful Church is raptured to heaven. The faithful Church and Satan will never be present on earth AT THE SAME TIME.

Agreed.

Rev 12:9-14 says, "And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. 10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, NOW IS COME SALVATION (soteria, rescue, deliverance, salvation, i.e., the Mid-Trib Rapture), and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. 11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. 12 Therefore rejoice, YE HEAVENS, AND YE THAT DWELL IN THEM. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time. 13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child. 14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place (i.e., Petra), where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent."

Dan 12:1 says, "And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and AT THAT TIME THY PEOPLE SHALL BE DELIVERED, EVERY ONE THAT SHALL BE FOUND WRITTEN IN THE BOOK."

> > (3) Never meet Satan's anti-Christ because his anti-Christ is not revealed by Satan until AFTER the faithful Church is raptured to heaven, and not until AFTER Satan is cast down to earth. ( that is two "afters")

I think Antichrist, the first beast, will be on the scene during the first half of the Tribulation, before the Mid-Trib Rapture, before the coming to power of the Satan-possessed False Prophet after the Mid-Trib Rapture.

Rev 13:1-11 says, "And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads (i.e., rulers of Babel, Babylon II, Media-Persia, Greece, Holy Roman Empire, Ecclesiastical Holy Roman Empire, and Babylon III) and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy. 2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard (i.e., Greece, Dan 7:6), and his feet were as the feet of a bear (Media-Persia, Dan 7:5), and his mouth as the mouth of a lion (Babylon II, Dan 7:4): and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority. 3 And I saw one of his heads (i.e., the Antichrist)as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast. 4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him? 5 And there was given unto him (i.e., Antichrist) a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. 6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and THEM THAT DWELL IN HEAVEN (i.e., the wise-virgin saints caught up Mid-Trib). 7 And it was given unto him (i.e., Antichrist) to make war with the saints (i.e., the foolish virgins), and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. 8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. 9 If any man have an ear, let him hear. 10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints. 11 And I beheld another beast (i.e., the Satan-possessed False Prophet) coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon."

> > (4) Never see a seven-year-long tribulation

I agree. We will only be here during the first half of the Tribulation.

> > The "desolation" of Jerusalem, by the abomination of desolation, must occur as "THE SIGN" of our pending rapture BEFORE the rapture can happen according to :
> > Luke 21:28
> > "When you see these things BEGIN TO HAPPEN, (in Israel) look up and lift up your heads, because your redemption (rature) draws near."

THE FOLLOWING SCRIPURES REFER TO THE LAST-TRUMP RAPTURE OF I COR 15:51-54, NOT THE FIRST-TRUMP RAPTURE OF I TH 4:16,17

The first Rapture takes place Mid-Trib. The last Rapture takes place post-trib.

Mat 24:20-22 says, "But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: 21 For then shall be GREAT TRIBULATION, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened."

Mar 13:24-27 says, "But in those days, AFTER THAT TRIBULATION, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, 25 And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken. 26 And THEN SHALL THEY SEE THE SON OF MAN COMING IN THE CLOUDS with great power and glory. 27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven."

Luk 21:25-28 says, "And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; 26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. 27 And THEN SHALL THEY SEE THE SON OF MAN COMING IN A CLOUD with power and great glory. 28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh. Agape

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