Pro and Con 1944

Posted 11-12-16

INCOMING EMAIL, RE: ONLY IN THE YEAR 2017

Revelation 12:1-2 describes the constellation Virgo, the virgin woman, as a woman clothed by the sun with the New Moon of Tishri 1 at her feet, while giving birth to a male Child, who is Jesus Christ, and crowned with twelve stars.

This "sign" appeared in the heavens, for the FIRST TIME, when Jesus Christ was born on the New Moon of Tishri 1, Feast of Trumpets 2,000 years ago.

This "sign" will appear in the heavens, AGAIN for the SECOND TIME, on the New Moon of Tishri 1, Feast of Trumpets September 23, 2017.

ONLY in the year 2017 is the "woman" giving birth to Jupiter, THE KING planet. The location of Jupiter is exactly between the legs of the "woman" , and directly beneath her womb exactly as it appeared when Christ was born.

ONLY in the year 2017 is the crown of twelve stars complete with the addition of Mercury, Mars, and Venus.

Now IF I were to tell you that what I have disclosed to you here has absolutely NO meaning or connection whatsoever to the Bible Prophecy of Jesus Christ ; IF I WERE YOU, I WOULD NOT BELIEVE ME !!!

MY REPLY

> > ONLY in the year 2017 is the "woman" giving birth to Jupiter, THE KING planet. The location of Jupiter is exactly between the legs of the "woman" , and directly beneath her womb exactly as it appeared when Christ was born.

To me, Jesus was born on Tishri 1, Sept. 4, 5 BC. I went to YourSky and got a picture of the sky over Jerusalem that night. (We have to put in BC 4 when we want BC 5, because the astronomers add a zero year).

"Sky above 31°46'48"N 35°13'12"E at Fri 4 Sep 5 15:55 UTC"
https://www.fourmilab.ch/cgi-bin/Yoursky

The crescent Moon was under Virgo's feet, but no other planet was in Virgo at that time. Agape

"FIFTY BIBLES OF CONSTANTINE"

"In 331, Constantine commissioned Eusebius to deliver fifty Bibles for the Church of Constantinople. Athanasius (Apol. Const. 4) recorded around 340 Alexandrian scribes preparing Bibles for Constans. Little else is known. It has been speculated that this may have provided motivation for canon lists, and that Codex Vaticanus and Codex Sinaiticus are examples of these Bibles. Together with the Peshitta and Codex Alexandrinus, these are the earliest extant Christian Bibles.[27]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantine_the_Great_and_Christianity

WAS JESUS BURIED IN CHURCH OF THE HOLY SEPULCHER?

"Exclusive: Christ's Burial Place Exposed for First Time in Centuries news.nationalgeographic.com/2016/10/jesus-tomb-opened-church-holy-sepulchre/ Oct 26, 2016 - Restorers working in the Church of the Holy Sepulchre in Israel uncover stone slab venerated as the resting place of Jesus Christ. ... Jerusalem For the first time in centuries, scientists have exposed the original surface of what is traditionally considered the tomb of Jesus Christ." https://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome-psyapi2&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8&q=is%20jesus%20buried%20in%20church%20of%20the%20holy%20sepulcher&oq=is%20jesus%20buried%20in%20church%20of%20the%20holy%20sepulcher&aqs=chrome..69i57.26054j0j4

MY REPLY

I don't believe Jesus was buried in the Church of the Holy Sepulcher. He was crucified and buried near the Miphkad Altar on the Mt. of Olives where the red heifer was sacrificed.

EARNEST L. MARTIN WROTE:

"Babylonian Talmud, Yoma 68a 10

"This is rabbinic proof (from an eyewitness to the Temple and its rituals) that the place "outside the camp" for burning the Red Heifer was identical with that for burning the sin offerings mentioned by the author of the Book of Hebrews. And what is highly significant is the fact that Rabbi Eliezer (just like the author of the Book of Hebrews) applied rituals pertaining to the Tabernacle of Moses with those which governed the Temple in Jesus' time.

"This means that the Old Testament legislation concerning the Tabernacle was applicable to the later Temple. It was thus necessary for the priest performing the sacrifice of the Red Heifer to be east of the Temple so that he could face directly west in order "to sprinkle the blood seven times towards the Holy of Holies." 11 The priest had to be able to see the full curtain that was hanging in front of the east entrance to the Holy Place. This is one of the main reasons that the eastern wall of the Temple was lower in height than the other walls. Recall again what the Middoth says:

"All the [Temple] walls were high, save only the eastern wall, because the priest that burns the [Red] Heifer and stands on the top of the Mount of Olives should be able to look directly into the entrance to the Sanctuary when the blood is sprinkled."
http://www.askelm.com/golgotha/gol001.htm

"While a memorial to the death and resurrection of Yeshua of Nazareth, visited by millions of pilgrims over the centuries, the ancient Church of the Holy Sepulcher is but an unfortunate pseudo-Calvary. The Tomb of Yeshua of Nazareth does not stand today in Jerusalem's ancient Church of the Holy Sepulcher. The rock-cut tomb now covered by the Edicule, falsely acclaimed in 325/6 to be the tomb in which the body of the Messiah was laid in the early evening of the day of the crucifixion, served to fulfill a bishop's religious revenge and ambitions and to realize an emperor's political and religious objectives. Since the place of the Messiah's crucifixion was on the Mount of Olives, the Eleona Cave is the leading contender for his burial and resurrection. They certainly do not lie on the one-time site of the Capitoline Temple to Jupiter." http://www.hope-of-israel.org/tombofmessiah.html

"Where was this Red Heifer altar?"

As explained in my book "Secrets of Golgotha," (by Earnest L. Martin) the early Jewish records found in the Mishnah plainly state that the Red Heifer altar was located directly east of the Temple that existed in Jesus' time and that it was just shy of the summit of the Mount of Olives (Middoth 1:3; 2:4; Yoma 7:2; along with the Talmud in Yoma 68a and Zebahim 105b). And here we find the author of the Letter of Barnabas directly stating that "the calf (heifer] is Jesus" and that "the sinful men offering it are those who led him [Jesusl to the slaughter" (8:2). It is well known in Jewish circles that the priests did indeed lead the heifer from the Temple on Mount Moriah eastward across a double tiered arched bridge (called the Bridge of the Red Heifer) to an altar just outside the camp near the summit of Olivet. This is where they sacrificed and burnt to ashes the Red Heifer. This first century identification of Jesus with the Red Heifer is clear proof that early Jewish Christians connected the sacrifice of the heifer on the summit of Olivet with the death of Jesus which took place in the same vicinity. But no sacrifices of the Temple were ever connected with the western area of the "Holy Sepulchre."
http://www.askelm.com/doctrine/d920401.htm

"And they led him out to crucify him. And they compelled a passerby, Simon of Cyrene, who was coming in from the country, the father of Alexander and Rufus, to carry his cross. And they brought him to the place called Golgotha, which means Place of the Skull." (Mark 15:21-22)

James Tabor wrote,
"Back in 2005 when I was working on The Jesus Dynasty I commissioned the extraordinary artist Balage Balogh to paint the crucifixion scene on the Mt. of Olives based on my own exploration of the site I had located a bedrock area, flat and just above the site of the miphqad altar, that seemed to me to be an idea location for crucifixion as alluded to in the book of Hebrews and "in front of the city wall" as Josephus indicated. It is directly in front of the Eastern Gate, looking into the courtyard of the Temple. Nearby are lots of 1st century tombs, as well as an oil-press (Gethsemane/Gat Shemen means "press of oil), and lots of Olive Orchards. None of these features fit the quarry area just north of the 1st century city wall, where the Church of the Holy Sepulchre stands today." https://jamestabor.com/locating-golgotha/

JESUS WAS CRUCIFIED ON THE MT. OF OLIVES ON THE EVE OF PASSOVER

"The Babylonian Talmud is a commentary on Jewish laws composed between A.D. 500-600 (Neusner/Green, 69) Therein is a text about Jesus' death. The Tractate Sanhedrin (43a) contains this passage:

Jesus was hanged on Passover Eve. Forty days previously the herald had cried, "He is being led out for stoning, because he has practiced sorcery and led Israel astray and enticed them into apostasy. Whosoever has anything to say in his defense, let him come and declare it." As nothing was brought forward in his defense, he was hanged on Passover Eve."
https://www.christiancourier.com/articles/1357-jewish-talmud-and-the-death-of-christ-the

RE: ASTEROID IMPACT

"NASA estimates that space rocks smaller than about 80 feet are likely to simply burn up as they enter Earth's atmosphere. Asteroids larger than about 82 feet but smaller than a kilometer (about 3,281 feet) would cause significant local damage to any impact area, however, and an asteroid larger than a kilometer or two would have "worldwide effects" – including tsunamis and possibly mass extinctions....

"Last month, NASA reported that it was now monitoring 15,000 near-Earth asteroids (NEAs) and adding an average of 30 more per week. This was an increase of 50% on the known NEAs since late 2013, when 10,000 had been identified." https://sputniknews.com/environment/201611051047107094-NASA-FEMA-practice-asteroid-hit/

THE JUNO SPACECRAFT IS READY TO FLY BY JUPITER IN DECEMBER (CLOSEST APPROACH DEC. 9)

"After suffering a slight malfunction last week, the Juno spacecraft is up and running, and ready for its latest flyby of the gas giant....

"Launching from Cape Canaveral in 2011, Juno is gathering scientific data on our Solar System's largest planet. Entering Jupiter's orbit in July, the spacecraft has spent the last two months calibrating its systems and performing the first steps in its mission."
https://sputniknews.com/science/201610281046819792-juno-jupiter-flyby/

INCOMING EMAIL, RE: IF I AM A "TARE" I WILL BURN

If I am a "tare" I will BURN, and if you are a "tare" you will BURN on the day of the RAPTURE according to :

Matthew 7:21
"NOT EVERYONE who says to Me, Lord, Lord, shall enter the Kingdom of Heaven, but HE WHO DOES THE WILL of My Father in heaven."

Matthew 13:30
"Let both grow together until the harvest (rapture) , and AT THAT TIME of harvest I will say to the reapers (angels) , FIRST gather together the tares, and bind them in bundles TO BURN THEM , but gather (rapture) the wheat into My barn."

Matthew 13:40-42
"Therefore as the TARES are gathered and BURNED IN THE FIRE so it will be ate the end of this age. The Son of man will send out His angels, and they will GATHER OUT OF HIS KINGDOM all things THAT OFFEND , and those who practice lawlessness and will cast them INTO THE FURNACE OF FIRE. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth."

The TARES, because they are BURNED FIRST on the day of the rapture, they are NOT PART of the left-behind to go into the great tribulation after the rapture.

How can you avoid being a TARE , whom the Lord finds OFFENSIVE, on the day of the RAPTURE ?

1 Corinthians 10:12
"Let him who thinks he stands TAKE HEED LEST HE FALL."

2 John 1:9
"Whoever transgresses, and DOES NOT ABIDE IN THE DOCTRINE OF CHRIST does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has BOTH the Father and the Son."

MY REPLY

> > If I am a "tare" I will BURN, and if you are a "tare" you will BURN on the day of the RAPTURE according to :

> > Matthew 7:21
> > "NOT EVERYONE who says to Me, Lord, Lord, shall enter the Kingdom of Heaven, but HE WHO DOES THE WILL of My Father in heaven."

> > Matthew 13:30
> > "Let both grow together until the harvest (rapture) , and AT THAT TIME of harvest I will say to the reapers (angels) , FIRST gather together the tares, and bind them in bundles TO BURN THEM , but gather (rapture) the wheat into My barn."

It doesn't say the tares are burned before the Rapture. They are bound in bundles to be burned, but the burning takes place at the end of the age.

Mat 13:39,40 (KJV) says, "The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. 40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world (aion, age)."

Mt 13:40 (Darby) says, "As then the darnel is gathered and is burned in the fire, thus it shall be in the completion of the age."

A Scofield note says, "The gathering of the tares into bundles for burning does not imply immediate judgment. At the end of this age (Mt 13:40) the tares are set apart for burning, but first the wheat is gathered into the barn. Jn 14:3 1Th 4:14-17."

In Mat 13:49,50, Jesus said, "So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just, 50 And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth." Agape

INCOMING EMAIL, RE: IF I AM A "TARE" I WILL BURN

You may be correct, but the end of the age of grace is the rapture.

MY REPLY

I agree. Agape

INCOMING EMAIL, RE: "AND NONE OF THE WICKED SHALL UNDERSTAND"

"AND NONE OF THE WICKED SHALL UNDERSTAND" ...Daniel 12:10

Therefore I hope YOU CAN UNDERSTAND the previous Scripture to Daniel 12:10 ; BOTH the 'chronological order' in which it is given, and 'the meaning' of the Scripture as it was given to Daniel by Gabriel :

Daniel 12:1-2
"AT THAT TIME Daniel shall stand up (war in heaven), the great prince who stands watch over THE SONS of your people (God's people). And there shall be A TIME OF TROUBLE (first "shortened" tribulation) such as never was since there was a nation (Israel), even to that time.
And AT THAT TIME your people (God's people) shall be delivered (raptured) , everyone who is found written in the book (of life). And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake (the dead in Christ shall rise first)."

The above Scripture places the first shortened tribulation UPON the nation of Israel only BEFORE THE RAPTURE. After the rapture the second 1,260 day-long tribulation UPON the WHOLE WORLD commences.

"None of the wicked shall understand."

MY REPLY

Here is the way I see it. There are two Raptures. We become incorrupt at the first Rapture, but do not receive our immortal bodies until the last Rapture.

THE FIRST-TRUMP RAPTURE, WHEN WE PUT ON INCORRUPTION

1Th 4:16,17 says, "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel (i.e., Michael, Jude 1:6; Mid-Trib, Rev 12:7), and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."

THE LAST-TRUMP RAPTURE, WHEN WE PUT ON IMMORTALITY

1Co 15:51-54 says, "Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory."

THOSE CAUGHT UP MID-TRIB ARE THE BRIDE, AND THOSE CAUGHT UP AFTER THE GREAT TRIBULATION ARE THE FRIENDS OF THE BRIDEGROOM

Rev 19:6-9 says, "And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth. 7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for THE MARRIAGE OF THE LAMB IS COME, and his wife hath made herself ready. 8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints. 9 And he saith unto me, Write, BLESSED ARE THEY WHICH ARE CALLED UNTO THE MARRIAGE SUPPER OF THE LAMB."

EACH RAPTURE TAKES PLACE AFTER A 1260-DAY TRIBULATION, BUT THE LATTER ONE WILL BE SHORTENED

I think there will be a 1260-day Tribulation when the Antichrist is in power, then the First-Trump Rapture of ITh 4:16,17 will take place when "Michael the archangel" (Jude 1:9), stands up Mid-Trib.

After that, the Great Tribulation will take place. It will be shortened or no flesh will be saved. At its end, the Last-Trump Rapture of I Cor 15:51-54 will take place.

THE FIRST RAPTURE IS JUST BEFORE THE FALSE PROPHET COMES TO POWER MID-TRIB

Rev 13:1-11 says, "And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads (i.e., leaders of Babel, Babylon II, Media-Persia, Greece, Holy Roman Empire, Ecclesiastical Holy Roman Empire, and Babylon III) and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy (i.e., Pontifex Maximus, which started with Nimrod at the Tower of Babel). 2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard (i.e., Greece, Dan 7:6), and his feet were as the feet of a bear (Media-Persia, Dan 7:5), and his mouth as the mouth of a lion (Babylon II, Dan 7:4): and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority. 3 And I saw one of his heads (i.e., Antichrist, head of the Ecclesiastical Holy Roman Empire) as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast. 4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him? 5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months (i.e., during the first half of the Tribulation). 6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and THEM THAT DWELL IN HEAVEN (i.e., the wise-virgin saints caught up Mid-Trib). 7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints (i.e., the foolish-virgin saints left behind), and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. 8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. 9 If any man have an ear, let him hear. 10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints. 11 And I beheld ANOTHER BEAST (i.e., the Satan-possessed False Prophet) coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon."

After the First-Trump Rapture of ITh 4:16,17, there will be a 1260-day Great Tribulation when the False Prophet is in power. The Great Tribulation will be shortened or no flesh would be saved. At it's end, the Last-Trump Rapture of ICo 15:51-54 will take place.

Mat 24:21,22 says, "For then shall be GREAT TRIBULATION, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And except those days should be SHORTENED, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened."

The first Rapture is the "COME UP HITHER" in Rev 4:1.

Then Rev 10:11 says, "And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy AGAIN before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings."

The next three verses, Rev 11:1-3, say, "And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, RISE (i.e., in the First-Trump Rapture), and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein. 2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months. 3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses (i.e., Moses and Elijah), and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days (i.e., during the Great Tribulation), clothed in sackcloth."

Moses and Elijah arrive Mid-Trib. Therefore, the First-Trump Rapture is Mid-Trib.

THERE IS NO EARTHQUAKE AT THE FIRST RAPTURE, BUT THERE IS A GREAT EARTHQUAKE AT THE LAST RAPTURE

Rev 11:11-13 says, "And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them (i.e., Moses and Elijah), and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them. 12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, COME UP HITHER. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them. 13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven."

MID-TRIB

> > Daniel 12:1-2
> > "AT THAT TIME Daniel shall stand up (war in heaven), the great prince who stands watch over THE SONS of your people (God's people). And there shall be A TIME OF TROUBLE (first "shortened" tribulation) such as never was since there was a nation (Israel), even to that time.
And AT THAT TIME your people (God's people) shall be delivered (raptured) , everyone who is found written in the book (of life). And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake (the dead in Christ shall rise first)."

Dan 12:1 (KJV) says, "And at that time shall MICHAEL stand up".

I went to Blue Letter Bible. Every translation they listed said "Michael". I think you meant Michael.

Dan 12:1 says, "And at that time (i.e., Mid-Trib) shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book."

It ties in with Rev 12, when MICHAEL stands up.

MICHAEL STANDS UP MID-TRIB

Rev 12:6-10 (KJV) says, "And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place (i.e., probably Petra) prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. 7 And there was war in heaven: MICHAEL and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, 8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. 9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. 10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now (i.e., Mid-Trib) is come salvation (soteria, rescue, deliverance, i.e., the First-Trump Rapture of ITh 4:16,17), and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night."

> > The above Scripture places the first shortened tribulation UPON the nation of Israel only BEFORE THE RAPTURE. After the rapture the second 1,260 day-long tribulation UPON the WHOLE WORLD commences.

The Great Tribulation that follows the First-Trump Rapture of ITh 4:16,17 is to be shortened or no flesh would be saved.

Mat 24:21,22 says, "For then shall be GREAT TRIBULATION, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And except those days should be SHORTENED, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened."

At the end of the shortened Great Tribulation, the Rapture of ICo 15:51-54 will take place, and all raptured saints will get their immortal bodies.

CONCLUSION

When Michael stands up Mid-Trib, the First-Trump Rapture of ITh 4:16,17 will take place. At the end of the shortened Great Tribulation, the Last-Trump Rapture of ICo 15:51-54 will happen. Agape

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