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Posted 11-17-16

INCOMING EMAIL, RE: ONLY THREE DAYS SHORT OF FIFTY YEARS

If you think that the day of June 7, 1967, when God returned Jerusalem to the possession of Israel after 2,000 years, is a significant date in understanding end-time prophecy consider this :

FROM : June 7, 1967 TO : June 7, 2017 is EXACTLY FIFTY YEARS which is one JUBILEE OF YEARS.
Sunday June 4, 2017 is PENTECOST 2017 which is only three days short of exactly 50 Jubilee of years.

Matthew 24:34
"Assuredly, I say to you, THIS GENERATION will by no means pass away till ALL THESE THINGS take place."

If we are the LAST GENERATION, it will end on June 7, 2017 which is just THREE DAYS after Pentecost Sunday June 4, 2017.

The Book of Revelation reveals to us that there are 1,260 days between the rapture of His Church and the Second Coming of the Lord. If the rapture is scheduled to occur on Sabbath Saturday Nisan 10, Day of Palms, on April 8, 2017 : that day is EXACTLY 1,260 days prior to Sabbath Saturday, Tishri 1, Feast of Trumpets on September 19, 2020.

Are you "WATCHING" for our "SIGN" before the rapture which is the "SUDDEN DESTRUCTION" upon Israel?

I could be wrong, but I am not wrong yet !

MY REPLY

> > Sunday June 4, 2017 is PENTECOST 2017

Thanks for pointing that out. I agree. Firstfruits and Pentecost should always be on Sunday.

Both Firstfruits and Pentecost were on Sunday in 30 AD, and I think they should be kept on Sunday now. That puts Pentecost on Sun. June 4, 2017.

OTHERS AGREE

Feast of First Fruits: April 15-16, 2017
Counting the Omer 49 days: April 15 - June 3, 2017
Feast of Weeks/Pentecost: (Sun.) June 4, 2017
https://messianicsabbath.com/2013-feast-dates/

"Sun, 4 June 2017 = 10th of Sivan, 5777"
http://www.hebcal.com/converter/?gd=4&gm=6&gy=2017&g2h=1

> > FROM : June 7, 1967 TO : June 7, 2017 is EXACTLY FIFTY YEARS which is one JUBILEE OF YEARS.
> > Sunday June 4, 2017 is PENTECOST 2017 which is only three days short of exactly 50 Jubilee of years.

That's interesting.

"On June 7, 1967, IDF paratroopers advanced through the Old City toward the Temple Mount and the Western Wall, bringing Jerusalem's holiest site under Jewish control for the first time in 2000 years....

"The Temple Mount is in our hands! I repeat, the Temple Mount is in our hands!" General Rabbi Shlomo Goren, chief chaplain of the IDF, sounded the Shofar at the Western Wall to signify its liberation."
http://www.sixdaywar.org/content/ReunificationJerusalem.asp

ON PENTECOST, "YE SHALL BRING OUT OF YOUR HABITATIONS TWO WAVE LOAVES...THEY ARE THE FIRSTFRUITS UNTO THE LORD"

Pentecost means fiftieth.

Only priests between 30 and 50 were allowed to serve (Nu 4:1-3). King David paid 50 shekels of silver to purchase some oxen and the threshing floor of Araunah the Jebusite (2Sa 24:24) where the Temple was built.

Why were two wave loaves offered at Pentecost? Could that tie in with Pentecost having two fulfillments, one in 30 AD and one Mid-Trib, 50 years after the unification of Jerusalem?

It sounds like next Pentecost could represent the First Trump Rapture of ITh 4:16,17.

Lev 23:15-17 says, "And ye shall count unto you from the morrow (i.e., Sunday) after the sabbath (i.e., Saturday), from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering (i.e., on Sunday, the Feast of Firstfruits); seven sabbaths shall be complete: 16 Even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days; and ye shall offer a new meat offering unto the LORD. 17 YE SHALL BRING OUT OF YOUR HABITATIONS (i.e., in the First-Trump Rapture) TWO WAVE LOAVES of two tenth deals: they shall be of fine flour; they shall be baken with leaven; they are the firstfruits unto the LORD."

THERE ARE TWO RAPTURES, ONE MID-TRIB, THE OTHER AT THE TIME OF THE SECOND ADVENT

1Th 4:16,17 says, "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel (i.e., Michael [Jude 1:9], who comes Mid-Trib [Rev 12:6,7]), and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."

1Co 15:51-54 says, "Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory."

WE ARE A KIND OF FIRSTFRUITS OF HIS CREATURES

Jas_1:18 (KJV) says, "Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures."

1Co_15:23 (NIV) says, "But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits, then, when he comes, those who belong to him."

Deu 16:9,10 (KJV) says, "Seven weeks shalt thou number unto thee: begin to number the seven weeks from such time as thou beginnest to put the sickle to the corn. 10 And thou shalt keep the feast of weeks".

> > FROM : June 7, 1967 TO : June 7, 2017 is EXACTLY FIFTY YEARS which is one JUBILEE OF YEARS.
> > Sunday June 4, 2017 is PENTECOST 2017 which is only three days short of exactly 50 Jubilee of years.

Thanks for that information.

According to Mt. 1:17, I referred to my posted Bible Chronology, and figured that a generation was 49.33 years. However, I remember reading that one name was omitted from that list in the KJV. According to that, a 50-year generation sounds reasonable.

Searching on Google Chrome, I found this.
https://gotquestions.org/14-generations.html
"In the listing of Jesus' forefathers, there is a name missing. Excluded from the list is Jehoiakim (a.k.a. Eliakim), who was Josiah's son and Jeconiah's father (1 Chronicles 3:15-16). The reason for his exclusion may be that he was a puppet king, given his rule by the Pharaoh of Egypt. The first phase of the captivity of Judah by Babylon began at the end of Jehoiakim's reign, prior to his son Jeconiah coming into power. Thus, the 3 groupings of 14 generations would include: 1. Abraham to David; 2. Solomon to Jehoiakim (he is not mentioned, but was among the first to be carried off into Babylon); 3. Jeconiah to Jesus."

ISRAEL TOOK THE TEMPLE MOUNT ON JUNE 7, 1967

June 7, 1967 was when they took the rest of Jerusalem. Fifty years later is Pentecost, June 7, 2017.

Wow! to me, it is looking good for the Rapture to happen next Pentecost. It fits Song of Solomon 2:10-15. The Rapture will be when the fig trees leaf out when summer is near.

THE SECRET OF THE STAIRS IN SONG OF SOLOMON SUGGESTS AN EARLY JUNE RAPTURE

Son 2:10-16 says, "My beloved spake, and said unto me, Rise up, my love, my fair one, and come away. 11 For, lo, the winter is past, the rain is over and gone (i.e., Nisan is past); 12 The flowers appear on the earth; the time of the singing of birds is come, and the voice of the turtle (lit., turtledove, and they come in April and leave in October) is heard in our land; 13 The fig tree putteth forth her green figs, and the vines with the tender grape give a good smell (i.e., in early June). ARISE, my love, my fair one, and come away. 14 O my dove, that art in the clefts of the rock, in the secret places (i.e., this word is not in the original) of the stairs, let me see thy countenance, let me hear thy voice; for sweet is thy voice, and thy countenance is comely. 15 Take us the foxes, the little foxes, that spoil the vines: for our vines have tender grapes. 16 My beloved is mine, and I am his: he feedeth among the lilies."

It also fits Isa 18:3-7. A trumpet will sound on Pentecost.

Isa 18:3-7 says, "All ye inhabitants of the world, and dwellers on the earth, see ye, when he lifteth up an ensign (i.e., flag) on the mountains (i.e., kingdoms, the United Nations); and when he bloweth a trumpet, hear ye. 4 For so the LORD said unto me, I will take my rest, and I will consider in my dwelling place like a clear heat upon herbs, and like a cloud of dew in the heat of harvest. 5 For AFORE THE HARVEST, WHEN THE BUD IS PERFECT, AND THE SOUR GRAPE IS RIPENING IN THE FLOWER, HE SHALL BOTH CUT OFF THE SPRIGS WITH PRUNING HOOKS, AND TAKE AWAY (sur, depart, i.e., in the rapture) AND CUT DOWN THE BRANCHES. 6 THEY SHALL BE LEFT together unto the fowls of the mountains, and to the beasts of the earth: and the fowls shall SUMMER upon them, and all the beasts of the earth shall winter upon them. 7 In that time shall the present be brought unto the LORD of hosts of a people scattered and peeled, and from a people terrible from their beginning hitherto; a nation meted out and trodden under foot, whose land the rivers have spoiled, to the place of the name of the LORD of hosts, the mount Zion."

1Th 5:2-11 says, "For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. 3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. 4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. 5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. 6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober. 7 For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night. 8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation. 9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, 10 Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him. 11 Wherefore comfort yourselves together, and edify one another, even as also ye do."

> > The Book of Revelation reveals to us that there are 1,260 days between the rapture of His Church and the Second Coming of the Lord. If the rapture is scheduled to occur on Sabbath Saturday Nisan 10, Day of Palms, on April 8, 2017 : that day is EXACTLY 1,260 days prior to Sabbath Saturday, Tishri 1, Feast of Trumpets on September 19, 2020.

The Great Tribulation, the last half of the Tribulation, is the part that is to be shortened or no flesh would be saved.

Mat 24:21,22 says, "For then shall be GREAT TRIBULATION, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened."

I know you think the Rapture will be on Nisan 10.

The Israelites crossed over the Jordan dry shod on Nisan 10. However, they did not even start marching around Jericho on Nisan 10.

Jos 4:19 says, "And the people came up out of Jordan on the tenth day of the first month, and encamped in Gilgal, in the east border of Jericho."

Jos 5:10 says, "And the children of Israel encamped in Gilgal, and kept the passover on the fourteenth day of the month at even in the plains of Jericho."

2Sa 24:8 says, "So when they had gone through all the land, they came to Jerusalem at the end of nine months and twenty days."

PENTECOST MAKES MORE SENSE TO ME THAN NISAN 10

Act 1:10,11 says, "And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men (i.e., Moses and Elijah) stood by them in white apparel; 11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? THIS SAME JESUS, WHICH IS TAKEN UP FROM YOU INTO HEAVEN, SHALL SO COME IN LIKE MANNER as ye have seen him go into heaven."

Jesus came to indwell believers on the following Pentecost.

Moses and Elijah come at the time of the Mid-Trib Rapture.

Rev 11:1-3 says, "And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, RISE (i.e., in the Mid-Trib Rapture), and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein. 2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months. 3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth." Agape

HIS REPLY, RE: ONLY THREE DAYS SHORT OF FIFTY YEARS

I think that the two loaves represent the dead in Christ who rise first, and the living in Christ who are then caught-up together

MY REPLY

Then, do Pentecost and those "caught-up together" go together? Agape

MY REPLY TO ANOTHER INCOMING EMAIL

> > Do you think, based on your 'celestial' take on 1:15, that the rotors/wheels which Ezekiel 10 describes could be the fraying ribbon of stars called the Ophiuchus stream [and other star streams ] which the New Scientist /NASA describes as a propeller stirring up chaos in its wake within the pin wheel of the Milky Way?

No. I think the four wheels are the orbits of the four terrestrial planets in our Solar System.

Outside the orbits of the terrestrial planets is the Asteroid Belt (the remains of Satan's planet Rahab that was split apart) plus Jupiter and Saturn, the location of the throne of Jesus, the only God/man.

Isa 51:9 says, "Awake, awake, put on strength, O arm of the LORD; awake, as in the ancient days, in the generations of old. Art thou not it that hath cut (chatsab, split, divided) Rahab, and wounded the dragon?"

That took place before Adam was created, when the angels that left their habitation came to earth and built settlements such as Gobekli Tepe, Nevali Cori, Catel Hoyuk, and Canyonu in Turkey.

"Objects believed to be the earliest known tools of copper, dating back about 9,000 years, have been uncovered by an international archeological expedition in southeastern Turkey. This was announced yesterday at the University of Chicago, a participant and a center for such studies. The new discoveries in the Diyarbakir area, near the Tigris River headwaters, were found at a site believed to date before the beginnings of pottery-making. The expedition's goal had been to find evidence of the beginnings of early village farming communities."
https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/138085636/

Jud 1:6 says, "And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day."

Eze 10:6 says, "And it came to pass, that when he had commanded the man clothed with linen, saying, Take fire from between the wheels, from between the cherubims; then he went in, and stood beside the wheels."

Eze 10:10 says, "And as for their appearances, they four had one likeness, as if a wheel had been in the midst of a wheel."

One of the flying cherubim is the Earth. The four cherubim are Mercury, Venus, Earth and Mars.

Eze 1:15 says, "Now as I beheld the living creatures, behold one wheel (i.e., orbit)upon the EARTH by the living creatures, with his four faces."

Earth, being a globe, faces all four directions at the same time. It also orbits in a circle, facing the four directions.

Eze 1:10 says, "As for the likeness of their faces, they four had the face of a man, and the face of a lion, on the right side: and they four had the face of an ox on the left side; they four also had the face of an eagle."

The four faces of Eze 1:10 were the faces on the flags at the cardinal points of the compass when Israel camped around the Tabernacle. Diagrams can be found here:
https://www.google.com/search?q=4+faces+on+flags+when+Israel+camped+around+tabernacle&tbm=isch&imgil=T8wV7senuZclEM%253A%253BOjX26q_QnDn-NM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.bible-history.com%25252Ftabernacle%25252FTAB4The_Encampment.htm&source=iu&pf=m&fir=T8wV7senuZclEM%253A%252COjX26q_QnDn-NM%252C_&usg=__uQ5RjjV1fmzcPbVvTO9d7OR9fWI%3D&biw=1227&bih=581&ved=0ahUKEwiM44eDxqfQAhXJg1QKHXW2CHsQyjcIMQ&ei=9k8pWIyQGsmH0gL17KLYBw#imgrc=rO3c7nXeAfsFJM%3A

In Eze 1, Ezekiel looked up at the sky. In the center, he saw the blazing Sun. Around that, he saw the orbit of the Asteroid Belt. Outside that, he saw the orbits of Mars, Earth, Venus and Mercury, the four cherubim.

Then, he saw Saturn, Heaven, the place of Jesus' throne.

Eze 1:26-28 says, "And above the firmament (i.e., expanse of space) that was over their heads (i.e., farther out in space than the terrestrial planets) was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone (i.e., sapphire, Jesus' September birthstone, which means Heaven): and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man (i.e., Jesus is the only God/man) above upon it. 27 And I saw as the colour of amber (i.e., Saturn is the amber planet), as the appearance of fire round about within it, from the appearance of his loins (i.e., at the equator) even upward, and from the appearance of his loins even downward, I saw as it were the appearance of fire, and it had brightness round about (i.e., Saturn's ring system). 28 As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain, so was the appearance of the brightness round about. This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the LORD."

Saturn's rings mark the location of heaven. The word sapphire comes from the Sanscrit Sani, Saturn, and priya, dear.

Satans asteroid Wormwood (Rev 8:11) will impact Earth at the end of the Great Tribulation. Wormwood is orbiting between the terrestrial planets at the present time.

Eze 10:2 says, "And he spake unto the man clothed with linen, and said, Go in between the wheels, even under the cherub (i.e., Satan), and fill thine hand with coals of fire from between the cherubims (i.e., the terrestrial planets), and scatter them over the city. And he went in in my sight."

Rev 18:21 says, "And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone (i.e., Wormwood), and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all."

Rev_16:3 says, "And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea."

I'm so glad that believers will be in Heaven before that day comes. Agape

INCOMING EMAIL, RE: THE 100 % ABSOLUTELY GUARANTEED 'SIGN' THAT THE 'DAY OF THE LORD' HAS BEGUN

Ezekiel 38:18-20
"And it will come to pass, AT THE SAME TIME, when GOG COMES against the LAND OF ISRAEL, says the Lord God, ......and in the fire of My wrath I have spoken. IN THAT DAY there shall be A GREAT EARTHQUAKE in the LAND OF ISRAEL. .........The earth shall shake AT MY PRESENCE."

All indications point to the above prophecy likely being fulfilled on the New Moon of Nisan 1, 5777 which is March 29, 2017. If that happens, as expected, the rapture of the Church will then follow ten days later on Sabbath Saturday Nisan 10, 5777, Day of Palms, April 8, 2017 which is exactly 1,260 days prior to the New Moon of Tishri 1, Feast of Trumpets, Sabbath Saturday September 19, 2020 : That is the Second Coming of the Lord.

I could be wrong, but I am not wrong yet !!!
Come Lord, Jesus.

MY REPLY

> > THE 100% ABSOLUTELY GUARANTEED 'SIGN' THAT THE 'DAY OF THE LORD' HAS BEGUN........
> > Ezekiel 38:18-20
"And it will come to pass, AT THE SAME TIME, when GOG COMES against the LAND OF ISRAEL, says the Lord God, ......and in the fire of My wrath I have spoken. IN THAT DAY there shall be A GREAT EARTHQUAKE in the LAND OF ISRAEL. .........The earth shall shake AT MY PRESENCE."

> > All indications point to the above prophecy likely being fulfilled on the New Moon of Nisan 1, 5777 which is March 29, 2017. If that happens, as expected, the rapture of the Church will then follow ten days later on Sabbath Saturday Nisan 10, 5777, Day of Palms, April 8, 2017 which is exactly 1,260 days prior to the New Moon of Tishri 1, Feast of Trumpets, Sabbath Saturday September 19, 2020 : That is the Second Coming of the Lord.

March 29 caught my eye, because it is my husband's birthday. However, when I checked hebcal, Nisan 1 is March 28, and Nisan 12 is April 8.

Don Roth proved that the weeks have been kept correctly by the Hebrews from the day of creation until now.
www.biblicalcalendarproof.com/HebrewCalendar/DonRoth

Tue, 28 March 2017 = 1st of Nisan, 5777
http://www.hebcal.com/converter/?hd=1&hm=Nisan&hy=5777&h2g=1

Sat, 8 April 2017 = 12th of Nisan, 5777
http://www.hebcal.com/converter/?gd=8&gm=4&gy=2017&g2h=1

I agree that the Gog and Magog War will be on the Day of God's Wrath, but what indicates that it will happen on Nisan 1, 5777?

Eze 38:18-23 says, "And it shall come to pass at the same time when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, saith the Lord GOD, that my fury shall come up in my face. 19 For in my jealousy and in the fire of my wrath have I spoken, Surely in that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel (i.e., the earthquake caused by the impact of the asteroid Wormwood and a mountain-size piece that will break off and hit the NE Mediterranean Sea); 20 So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence (paniym, face), and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground. 21 And I will call for a sword against him throughout all my mountains, saith the Lord GOD: every man's sword shall be against his brother. 22 And I will plead against him with pestilence and with blood; and I will rain upon him, and upon his bands, and upon the many people that are with him, an overflowing rain, and great hailstones, fire, and brimstone. 23 Thus will I magnify myself, and sanctify myself; and I will be known in the eyes of many nations (i.e., they will see the Sign of the Son of Man in the sky), and they shall know that I am the LORD."

I think the Gog and Magog War will take place after the second Rapture, at the end of the shortened Great Tribulation. That would be on the day the two witnesses, Moses and Elijah are raptured. There is a great earthquake that day.

Moses and Elijah arrive on the day of the Mid-Trib First-Trump Rapture and leave on the day of the Last-Trump Rapture at the end of the shortened Great Tribulation.

Rev 10:11 says, "And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy AGAIN before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings."

Then Rev 11:1-3 says, "And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, RISE (i.e., in the First-Trump Rapture), and measure the temple of God (i.e., we are the temple of the Holy Spirit), and the altar, and them that worship therein. 2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months. 3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days (i.e., during the Great Tribulation), clothed in sackcloth."

There is no earthquake at the First-Trump Rapture, but there is a great earthquake at the Last-Trump Rapture, when Moses and Elijah are caught up.

Rev 11:9-13 says, "And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves. 10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets (i.e., Moses and Elijah) tormented them that dwelt on the earth. 11 And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them. 12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, COME UP HITHER. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them. 13 And the same hour was there a GREAT EARTHQUAKE, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven." Agape

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