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Posted 12-31-16

INCOMING EMAIL, RE: "THEM THAT DWELL ON THE EARTH" ARE THE LEFT-BEHIND

The phrase "them that dwell on the earth" appears a total of five times in the New Testament, and all five times are in the Book of Revelation. I every instance you can substitute the phrase 'the left-behind after the rapture'. The Scriptures speaking of "them that dwell on the earth" are ALL POST-RAPTURE Scriptures speaking about THE LEFT-BEHIND:

Revelation 6:10-11 ( 5th seal )
"And they cried with a loud voice saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on THEM THAT DWELL ON THE EARTH ( the left-behind ) ? And it was said to them that they should rest a little longer..." (until the 6th seal is opened)

Revelation 6:12-17 ( 6th seal ) is the description of THE RAPTURE !

Revelation 12:10-12 is also the description of THE RAPTURE !

EVERYTHING WRITTEN AFTER REVELATION 12:10-12 IS POST-RAPTURE :

Revelation 13:14
"And deceiveth THEM THAT DWELL ON THE EARTH ( the left-behind ) by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast ; saying to THEM THAT DWELL ON THE EARTH ( the left-behind ), that they should make an image to the beast which had the wound by the sword and did live."

Revelation 14:6
"And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto THEM THAT DWELL ON THE EARTH ( the left-behind ), and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue , and people."

Revelation 17:8
"The beast that thou sawest was, and is not: and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit and go into perdition : and THEM THAT DWELL ON THE EARTH (the left-behind) shall wonder, whose names WERE NOT written in the Book of Life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not , and yet is."

Those whose names WERE WRITTEN in the Book of Life WERE RAPTURED back during the events of the 6th seal and Revelation 12:10-12 so they no longer were among THEM WHO DWELL ON THE EARTH (the left-behind) after the rapture.
Come Lord Jesus !

MY REPLY

> > Revelation 6:12-17 ( 6th seal ) is the description of THE RAPTURE !

Rev 6:12-17 is talking about the Last-Trump Rapture at the end of the Great Tribulation. Jesus is not given the seven-sealed book until after the First-Trump Rapture.

Verse 17 says, "For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?"

The day of God's wrath takes place at the end of the Great Tribulation.

REV 7 IS TALKING ABOUT THOSE THAT ARE RAPTURED OUT OF THE GREAT TRIBULATION

Rev 7:9 says, "After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

Rev 7:14 says, "And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, THESE ARE THEY WHICH CAME OUT OF GREAT TRIBULATION, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb."

> > Revelation 12:10-12 is also the description of THE RAPTURE !

I agree. This is talking about the Mid-Trib Rapture: "Now (arti, just now, this day) is come salvation (soteria, rescue, deliverance, i.e., the First-Trump Rapture)".

> > EVERYTHING WRITTEN AFTER REVELATION 12:10-12 IS POST-RAPTURE :

Rev 13:1-10 is before the First-Trump Rapture, because the False Prophet comes at Mid-Trib.

Rev 13:1-11 says, "And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy (i.e., Pontifex Maximus, Vicar of Christ). 2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority. 3 And I saw one of his heads (i.e., the Holy Roman Empire) as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed (i.e., it became the Holy Roman Ecclesiastical Empire): and all the world wondered after the beast. 4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him? 5 And there was given unto him (i.e., Antichrist) a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months (i.e., the first half of the Tribulation). 6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and THEM THAT DWELL IN HEAVEN (i.e., those wise-virgin saints caught up in the Mid-Trib Rapture). 7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints (i.e., the foolish virgin saints), and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. 8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. 9 If any man have an ear, let him hear. 10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints. 11 And I beheld ANOTHER BEAST (i.e., the False Prophet) coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon."

> > Those whose names WERE WRITTEN in the Book of Life WERE RAPTURED back during the events of the 6th seal and Revelation 12:10-12 so they no longer were among THEM WHO DWELL ON THE EARTH (the left-behind) after the rapture.

The First-Trump Rapture is featured in Rev. 12, but the Last-Trump Rapture is found in Rev. 7. Those come out of "great tribulation" (Rev 7:14).

John tells us about the First-Trump Rapture in Rev 4:1. Then in Rev 10:11, he is told to "prophesy again.

It says, "And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy AGAIN before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings."

The "COME UP HITHER" in Rev 4:1 and the "RISE" in Rev 11:1 are the Mid-Trib First-Trump Rapture. It takes place on the Day of Christ.

The "COME UP HITHER" in Rev 11:12 is the Last-Trump Rapture. It takes place on the Day of the Lord which takes place after the shortened Great Tribulation.

Of that day, Mat_24:29 says, "Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken". Agape

MY REPLY TO AN INCOMING EMAIL

> > Jesus was risen before Sunday, the day of First Fruits, when in the morning the Barley was waved before the Lord.

I think Sunday was Resurrection Day.

The Crucifixion was on Thursday, the preparation of the Passover. The Sanhedrin did not meet on Feast days.

Joh_19:14 says, "And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!"

Joh_19:31 says, "The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation (i.e., Thursday), that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day [i.e., Passover] was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away."

Joh_19:42 says, "There laid they Jesus therefore because of the Jews' preparation day; for the sepulchre was nigh at hand."

Saturday, "six days before the passover", Jesus ate supper at Bethany
Sunday, Jesus rode into Jerusalem on the donkey, presented himself as king
Monday, cursed fig tree, purified Temple
Tuesday, fig tree dried up, Jesus gave Olivet Discourse
Wednesday Jesus anointed for burial
Thursday, "preparation of the Passover", Crucifixion of Jesus, "not on the feast day"
Friday, Passover, first day since
Saturday, Unleavened Bread, second day since
Sunday, Firstfruits, "third day rise again", OT saints taken to heaven

Mat_17:23 says, "And they shall kill him, and the third day he shall be raised again."

Luk_24:21 says, "But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done."

> > We have not to fear to go through the Great Tribulation, which last 3 1/2 years.

I think the wise-virgin saints will be caught up Mid-Trib, and the foolish-virgin saints will be caught up Post-Trib.

Rev 10:11 says, "And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy AGAIN before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings."

Rev 11:1-3 says, "And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, RISE (i.e., in the Mid-Trib Rapture), and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein. 2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months. 3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses (i.e., Moses and Elijah), and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days (i.e., during the Great Tribulation), clothed in sackcloth."

Rev 13:5-11 says, "And there was given unto him (i.e., Antichrist) a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months (i.e., during the first half of the Tribulation). 6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and THEM THAT DWELL IN HEAVEN (i.e., the wise-virgin saints just caught up Mid-Trib). 7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints (i.e., the foolish-virgins left behind), and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. 8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. 9 If any man have an ear, let him hear. 10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints. 11 And I beheld another beast (i.e., the False Prophet) coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon."

> > I believe that we can escape through run and hide in Refuge places, where angels will protect and feed us 3 1/2 years (Rev 12). I think we will be caught up Mid-Trib, before the False Prophet comes to power.

> > The Rapture, no one knows day and hour, only the Father

Mat 24:35,36 says, "Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. 36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only."

It isn't talking about the Rapture, but when "heaven and earth shall pass away".

> > I believe the Lord comes soon.
1967 + 50 = 2017. I am hoping for next Pentecost. Agape

INCOMING EMAIL, RE: Could there be 3 Raptures

Shalom!
I agree that the Crucifixion was on the preparation of the Passover. This is the 14th of Nisan, the feast of Passover (Lev 23:5). By my search in the Web people thought it was Monday to Friday, every day of the week. The day was chosen by the High Priest and Sanhedrin, according to the Barley Harvest and the Moon, every calculation can therefore fail. But is the weekday important? Our birthday is not chosen by the day, but by the date, So it should be with our Lord's death and resurrection. But the true celebration on the 14th and 17th of Nisan (Passover) of the first believers was persecuted by the Roman Church and lost. From there comes also the corrupted tradition of Good Friday and Easter Sunday and the Sunday as Day of Resurrection.

You say Saturday was the 6. day before the passover, Why not Friday? I think at that day Jesus traveled to the mount of olives, and the Sabbath meal is Friday evening. Some old Churches still celebrate the Holy Supper on Tuesday evening in the passover week.

Mat 12:40 are 3 full days and 3 full nights = 72 hours, when Jesus (Spirit and Soul) was in the midst of the earth, the only solution would be Wednesday 3pm till Saturday 3pm. On the 3.day refers to the body, which was less than 72 hours in the grave.

Luke 24:23 "...since (the Greek word can also mean after) these things were done". I believe the 2 disciples waited 3 days (after these events), before they went home.

There can be only one Rapture, not two a Mid-trib and a Post-trib. Rev 10:11; 11:1-3: and 13:5-11 proof nothing. RISE in 11:1-3 is said to an messenger of God, he will not be raptured at all.
The left behind will not be in the Rapture. If they were saints, they would not be left behind and later the door was shut. No Rapture.
Mat 24:35,36 speaks of the Day of the Lord, that is His 2. coming, the day of the gathering and the wrath of the Lord, both are at the Harvest (Mat 13). This day knows only the Father (Zec 14:7). All speculations are wishful thinking, not according to the bible, till now they failed. We should be sober, it says some saints go into captivity, be killed, patience and faith are necessary.
Be blessed!

MY REPLY

Shalom!
> > I agree that the Crucifixion was on the preparation of the Passover. This is the 14th of Nisan, the feast of Passover (Lev 23:5).

The preparation day was Nisan 13. Passover was Nisan 14.

> > You say Saturday was the 6. day before the passover, Why not Friday?

It was the day before Jesus rode into Jerusalem on the donkey on Palm Sunday.

> > The day was chosen by the High Priest and Sanhedrin

The Sanhedrin did not meet on feast days. Therefore, they met on Thursday.

> > Mat 12:40 are 3 full days and 3 full nights = 72 hours, when Jesus (Spirit and Soul) was in the midst of the earth, the only solution would be Wednesday 3pm till Saturday 3pm.

Mat_12:40 says, "For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth."

It doesn't say 72 hours. The Jews counted part of a day as a day.

"Jews started counting today as day one and tomorrow as day two". https://www.google.com/search?site=&source=hp&q=jews+counted+part+of+a+day+as+a+day+at+time+of+crucifixion &oq=jews+counted+part+of+a+day+as+a+day+at+time+of+crucifixion&gs_l=hp.3...52851. 93140.0.97189.60.59.1.0.0.0.280.4901.49j4j4.57.0....0...1c.1.64.hp..2.6.483...0j46j0i131k1j0 i46k1j0i10k1j0i22i30k1j0i22i10i30k1.FnM5pxUvkUE

Thursday, Day 1, Night 1
Friday, Day 2, Night 2
Saturday, Day 3, Night 3

Luk_24:21 says, "But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done."
Thursday, Crucifixion
Friday, 1st day since
Saturday, 2nd day since
Sunday, 3rd day since

> > There can be only one Rapture, not two a Mid-trib and a Post-trib. Rev 10:11; 11:1-3: and 13:5-11 proof nothing. RISE in 11:1-3 is said to an messenger of God, he will not be raptured at all.

There are three Raptures in all. In the first, Jesus took the OT saints to Heaven on Resurrection Day. In the second, the wise-virgin saints will be caught up, probably on the next feast, Pentecost. In the third, the foolish-virgin saints will be caught up, probably on the following feast, Trumpets.

FIRST RAPTURE - FIRSTFRUITS, 30 AD

Mat 27:52,53 says, "And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, 53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many."

Joh_20:17 says, "Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God."

Eph_4:8-10 says, "Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. 9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? 10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)"

SECOND RAPTURE - DAY OF CHRIST, AS IN THE DAYS OF NOAH, PROBABLY PENTECOST, THE ONLY FEAST DAY THAT TOOK PLACE DURING THE 40 DAYS OF RAIN

Rev 4:1: JOHN TOLD TO "COME UP HITHER".

The elders, princes, appear in Heaven when the first trumpet sounds.

Num 10:1-4 says, "And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 2 Make thee two trumpets of silver; of a whole piece shalt thou make them: that thou mayest use them for the calling of the assembly, and for the journeying of the camps (i.e., plural). 3 And when they shall blow with them, all the assembly shall assemble themselves to thee at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation. 4 And if they blow but with one trumpet, then the princes, which are heads of the thousands of Israel, shall gather themselves unto thee."

Rev 4:1-4 says, "After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter. 2 And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne. 3 And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald. 4 And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty ELDERS sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold."

Mat 24:40,41 says, "Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left."

Like Firstfruits, Pentecost took place on the day after the Sabbath.

The wise virgins are to be kept from the Great Tribulation. The foolish virgins are to be cast into great tribulation.

Rev 2:18-22 says, "And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass; 19 I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last to be more than the first. 20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols. 21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not. 22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into GREAT TRIBULATION, except they repent of their deeds.

2Th 2:3 (WEB) says that the "departure comes first, and the man of sin is revealed".

THE GENEVA BIBLE SAYS "A DEPARTING FIRST, AND THAT MAN OF SINNE BE DISCLOSED"

(2Th 2:1-4) "Nowe we beseech you, brethren, by the comming of our Lord Iesus Christ, and by our assembling vnto him, 2 That ye be not suddenly mooued from your minde, nor troubled neither by spirit, nor by worde, nor by letter, as it were from vs, as though the DAY OF CHRIST (i.e., it should be DAY OF THE LORD, according to older MSS found after the KJV was translated) were at hand. 3 Let no man deceiue you by any meanes: for that day shall not come, except there come A DEPARTING FIRST, and that that man of sinne be disclosed, euen the sonne of perdition, 4 Which is an aduersarie, and exalteth him selfe against all that is called God, or that is worshipped: so that he doeth sit as God in the Temple of God, shewing him selfe that he is God."

The older MSS: the Sinaitic Codex (331 AD), the Alexandrian Codex (1078), and the Vatican Codex (1475 or 1481).

THIRD RAPTURE - DAY OF THE LORD, AS IN THE DAYS OF LOT, PROBABLY TRUMPETS, THE SAME DAY FIRE AND BRIMSTONE RAINED DOWN

Rev 11:12: Moses and Elijah are told to "COME UP HITHER".

Luk 17:36,37 says, "Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 37 And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is (i.e., the Body of Christ is already in Heaven), thither will the eagles be gathered together."

At this time, the Body of Christ is already in Heaven, Saturn.

Rev 4:3 says, "and there was a rainbow round about the throne".

The rainbow represents Saturn's ring system.

Mat 24:31 says, "And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of HEAVEN to the other."

Eze 1:26-28 says, "And above the firmament that was over their heads (i.e., farther out in space than the four terrestrial planets) was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a SAPPHIRE stone: and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man (i.e., the God/man Jesus Christ) above upon it. 27 And I saw as the colour of amber (i.e., Saturn is amber), as the appearance of fire round about within it, from the appearance of his loins even upward, and from the appearance of his loins even downward, I saw as it were the appearance of fire, and it had brightness round about (i.e., Saturn's ring system). 28 As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain, so was the appearance of the brightness round about. This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the LORD."

Sapphire, hardest substance after diamond, is the September birthstone of Jesus. It means heaven, truth, faithfulness, sincerity, purity, power, serenity and wisdom. It is associated with the star sign of Virgo and symbolizes a pure and wise reign.
http://www.birthstonezodiac.com/birthstones/september-birthstone/

"In Sanskrit, this stone was known as ‘Shanipriya' meaning ‘dear to Saturn'....A link to the heavens and a symbol of intelligence and power; the Sapphire is one of the most regal gemstones, an ideal birthstone for the September- born."
http://www.birthstonezodiac.com/birthstones/september-birthstone/

"Ancient Persians called sapphire the 'Celestial Stone.'"
http://earthsky.org/earth/september-birthstone-sapphire

THERE IS NO DARKNESS AT THE FIRST RAPTURE; THE DARKNESS PRECEDES THE SECOND RAPTURE

Joe 2:31,32 says, "The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come. 32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered".

Rev 6:12 says, "And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood".

Rev 7:14 says, "These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb."

The first Rapture is Mid-Trib. No darkness happens then. The second Rapture is Post-Trib. That will be a dark day.

1Th 4:16,17 says, "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel (i.e., Michael, who comes Mid-Trib; Rev 12), and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."

2Ti_2:15 says, "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth." Agape

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