Pro and Con 1964

Posted 3-7-17

IN THE NEWS

"Mahmoud Abbas's activities in Rome began on January 14, with the formal opening of the Palestinian Embassy to the Vatican....

"Unfortunately, Pope Francis's papacy has been marked by a long list of anti-Israel gestures that did not advance the cause of peace that the Pope claims to champion....

"This week, on January 15, 2017, the "Palestinian question" dominated the French "peace conference" in Paris.
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/9798/pope-francis-palestinians-israel

INCOMING EMAIL, RE: "THE DAY" THAT YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO KNOW IS REVEALED

"THE DAY" YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO KNOW IS REVEALED IN THE 'BOOK OF REVELATION'.....

Revelation 12:14 states, "for a time, and times, an half a time from the PRESENCE of the serpent"

Any student of Scripture, worth his salt, knows that this Scripture is telling us that Satan will be present on the Earth for 42 months which is 1,260 days in total ( Rev 13:5 ). When Satan is present on the earth, AFTER he is cast down, that PERIOD OF TIME will be HELL ON EARTH. That is the time of the GREAT TRIBULATION of the whole world FROM WHICH THE CHURCH WILL BE SAVED "out of " by THE RAPTURE ( Rev 7:14-15).

THE END of the 1,260 days is caused by the SECOND COMING of the Lord on the New Moon of Tishri 1, to fulfill the prophecy of the Feast of Trumpets Sabbath. This tells us the end from the beginning. Now, by our knowing "the end" we can calculate "the beginning" by using the 1,260 days of Satan's presence on earth. "THE DAY" you are seeking is the DAY BEFORE the 1,260 days begins which is Satan's FIRST DAY on earth.

If you are not wise enough to calculate "the day" for yourself, I will do it for you. If you do not believe me have someone you trust to do it for you.

There are EXACTLY 1,260 days BETWEEN Nisan 10, Palm Sabbath, and the New Moon of Tishri 1, Feast of Trumpets Sabbath 42 months later !!!

If you believe the preceding narrative, YOU ARE BLESSED according to : Revelation 1:3.

According to your Word, come Lord Jesus !

MY REPLY

< < There are EXACTLY 1,260 days BETWEEN Nisan 10, Palm Sabbath, and the New Moon of Tishri 1, Feast of Trumpets Sabbath 42 months later !!!

The problem with that is this: the Great Tribulation is to be shortened.

Pro_10:27 says, "the years of the wicked shall be shortened."

Mat_24:22 says, "And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened."

Mar_13:20 says, "And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days."

Where have you allowed for the shortening of the days?

KNOWING THE END FROM THE BEGINNING

Enoch (meaning dedicated), type of the Church, was born and raptured on Sivan 6, which came to be called Pentecost.
(Secrets of Enoch [pg 68])

Gen 5:24 says, "Enoch walked (halak, walk, depart, go up) with God: and he was not; for God took (laqach, take away, take up) him."

Like Enoch, the Church might be born and raptured on Pentecost.

To me, it looks like the three raptures are on three feast days, Firstfruits, Pentecost and Trumpets.

1. Firstfruits, rapture of OT saints, fulfilled Sun. Nisan 16, 3790, 30 AD

Eph 4:8-10 says, "Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. 9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? 10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)"

2. Pentecost, possible rapture of wise virgins, Sun. June 4, 2017, arrival of Moses and Elijah Mid-Trib, no earthquake

Rev 11:1-3 says, "And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, RISE, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein. 2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months. 3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth."

3. Trumpets, possible rapture of foolish virgins, ascension of Moses and Elijah Post-Trib, great earthquake

Rev 11:12,13 says, "And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them. 13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven."

I THINK MOSES AND ELIJAH APPEARED WHEN JESUS ASCENDED

Act 1:10,11 says, "And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; 11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven."

MOSES AND ELIJAH WILL COME AT THE TIME OF THE MID-TRIB RAPTURE

Rev 10:11 says, "Thou must prophesy AGAIN before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings."

Rev 11:1-3 says, "And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, RISE (i.e., in the Mid-Trib Rapture), and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein. 2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months. 3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses (i.e., Moses and Elijah, who witnessed the Ascension), and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth."

MOSES AND ELIJAH WILL ASCEND AT THE TIME OF THE POST-TRIB RAPTURE

Rev 11:12,13 says, "And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, COME UP HITHER. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them. 13 And the same hour was there a GREAT EARTHQUAKE, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven."

Act 2:17-21 says, "And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: 18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy: 19 And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke: 20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come: 21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved."

Rev 7:9 says, "After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands".

Rev 7:14 says, "These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb."

AT THE FIRST-TRUMP RAPTURE, ALL SAINTS SING THE NEW SONG

Rev 5:8-10 says, "And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints. 9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; 10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth."

AT THE LAST-TRUMP RAPTURE, ONLY THE 144,000 SAINTS SING THE NEW SONG

Rev 14:1-4 says, "And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads. 2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps: 3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth. 4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb."

Psa 149:5-9 says, "Let the saints be joyful in glory: let them sing aloud upon their beds. 6 Let the high praises of God be in their mouth, and a twoedged sword in their hand; 7 To execute vengeance upon the heathen, and punishments upon the people; 8 To bind their kings with chains, and their nobles with fetters of iron; 9 To execute upon them the judgment written: this honour have all his saints. Praise ye the LORD." Agape

MY REPLY TO A POST ON FIVE DOVES

> > TH (22 Jan 2017)
> > "BELIEVING WITHOUT SEEING"

> > Here we go again. Lately, there has been a noticeable increase in the nay sayers claiming there is No Pre-Trib Rapture. Why is this ?

BECAUSE THERE IS NO PRE-TRIB RAPTURE

I was Pre-Trib for most of my life, until I read Rev 13:1-11 more carefully. That’s when I finally woke up. That scripture showed me that the First-Trump Rapture actually is Mid-Trib, because the wise-virgin saints are in heaven while Antichrist is still in power just before the False Prophet is revealed Mid-Trib.

Rev 13:1-11 says, "And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw A BEAST (i.e., the 'great red dragon' of Rev 12:3) rise up out of the sea (i.e., suggesting the Holy See), having seven heads (i.e., leaders of Babel, Babylon II, Medo-Persia, Greece, Holy Roman Empire, Ecclesiastical Holy Roman Empire, and Babylon III) and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads THE NAME OF BLASPHEMY (i.e., Pontifex Maximus, Vicarius Filii Dei). 2 And the beast which I saw (i.e., Antichrist) was like unto a leopard (i.e., Greece, Dan 7:6), and his feet were as the feet of a bear (i.e., Medo-Persia, Dan 7:5), and his mouth as the mouth of a lion (i.e., Babylon, Dan 7:4): and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority. 3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast. 4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him? 5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months (i.e., during the first half of the Tribulation). 6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle (i.e., dwelling place), and THEM THAT DWELL IN HEAVEN (i.e., the wise-virgin saints just caught up). 7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints (i.e., the foolish-virgins left behind), and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. 8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. 9 If any man have an ear, let him hear. 10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints. 11 And I beheld ANOTHER BEAST (i.e., the False Prophet) coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon."

Rev 17:10-14 ties in. It says, "And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is (i.e., Antichrist is in power during the first half of the Tribulation), and THE OTHER (i.e., the False Prophet) IS NOT YET COME; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space (i.e., during the shortened Great Tribulation). 11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition. 12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. 13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast. 14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: AND THEY THAT ARE WITH HIM ARE CALLED, AND CHOSEN, AND FAITHFUL."

John played out the Rapture in Rev. 1:9-11, and it is "IN TRIBULATION".

It says, "I John, who also am your brother, and companion IN TRIBULATION, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ. 10 I was (lit., became) in the Spirit on the Lord's day (i.e., Sunday), and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, 11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega".

Pentecost is always on Sunday. Agape

HIS REPLY, RE: "THE DAY" THAT YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO KNOW IS REVEALED

The "shortened" tribulation is upon Israel BEFORE the rapture. The 1,260 day great tribulation of the whole world after the rapture will not be "shortened."

MY REPLY

Mat 24:21,22 says, "For then shall be GREAT TRIBULATION, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake THOSE DAYS SHALL BE SHORTENED." Agape

MY REPLY TO A POST ON FIVE DOVES

Neil Lipken (29 Jan 2017) "Known Pastor Gets 3 Disturbing Visits From Gov Agents-Shares Horrifying Details! Exclusive Interview"
http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/jan2017/neill129-1.htm

> > the Rapture and subsequent 7 year Tribulation Period are drawing very near

To me, the Rapture and Mid-Trib are near. After being Pre-Trib most of my life, Rev 13:5-11 was an eye-opener.

"THEM THAT DWELL IN HEAVEN" ARE THERE JUST BEFORE THE FALSE PROPHET COMES TO POWER MID-TRIB

Rev 13:5-11 says, "And there was given unto him (i.e., Antichrist) a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months (i.e., the first half of the Tribulation). 6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and THEM THAT DWELL IN HEAVEN (i.e., the wise-virgin saints). 7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints (i.e., the foolish-virgin saints left behind), and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. 8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. 9 If any man have an ear, let him hear. 10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints. 11 And I beheld another beast (i.e., the Satan-possessed False Prophet) coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon."

"TWO HORNS", TWO SONS OF PERDITION, SATAN'S TWO COMINGS TO POWER INDWELLING MAN

1. In Judas Iscariot

Joh_17:12 says, "While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled."

2. In the False Prophet

2Th_2:3 says, "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition". Agape

MY REPLY TO A POST ON FIVE DOVES

Wayne R (29 Jan 2017)
"Gregorian calendar vs. Hebrew calendar"

> > What I am asking is, is there a TRUE Gregorian-to-Hebrew date converter available, and can it be used for bible prophecy?

The Torah Calendar can be trusted for Julian dates before the Gregorian Calendar began.
http://www.torahcalendar.com/

"The Julian Calendar was replaced by the Gregorian Calendar, changing the formula for calculating leap years. The beginning of the legal new year was moved from March 25 to January 1. Finally, 11 days were dropped from the month of September 1752."
https://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome-psyapi2&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8&q=calendar%20change%20to%20gregorian&oq=calendar%20change%20to%20gre&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0l5.17181j0j4

MY REPLY TO A POST ON FIVE DOVES

Wayne R (29 Jan 2017)
"Gregorian calendar vs. Hebrew calendar"

> > What I am asking is, is there a TRUE Gregorian-to-Hebrew date converter available, and can it be used for bible prophecy?

The Torah Calendar can be trusted for Julian dates before the Gregorian Calendar began.
http://www.torahcalendar.com/

"The Julian Calendar was replaced by the Gregorian Calendar, changing the formula for calculating leap years. The beginning of the legal new year was moved from March 25 to January 1. Finally, 11 days were dropped from the month of September 1752."
https://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome-psyapi2&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8&q=calendar%20change%20to%20gregorian&oq=calendar%20change%20to%20gre&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0l5.17181j0j4

> > when was Jesus born?

I have spent years studying this.

Jesus was born on the Feast of Trumpets in 5 BC. Herod died in 4 BC. His sons started their reigns in 4 BC.

JESUS WAS CONCEIVED ON KISLEV 24

Hag 2:18,19 says, "Consider now from this day and upward, from the four and twentieth day of the ninth month, even from the day that the foundation of the LORD'S temple was laid, consider it. 19 Is the seed yet in the barn? yea, as yet the vine, and the fig tree, and the pomegranate, and the olive tree, hath not brought forth: from this day will I bless you."

JESUS' BIRTH

5 BC, March 25, Julian 1,453,865, Feast of Firstfruits, John the Baptist born
5 BC, MON 4 SEP, JESUS BORN, Julian: 1,454,028, Tishri 1, 3757, Feast of Trumpets (354 day yr), (SABBATIC YEAR) (273-day gestation), 15th year of Temple construction
http://prophecycorner.theforeverfamily.com/procon1797.html

ALSO INTERESTING

John the Baptist was born on the Feast of Firstfruits, and Jesus took the OT saints to Heaven on Firstfruits in 30 AD.

That was the first Rapture. The second may be on Pentecost, and the last on Trumpets.

Enoch was born and died on Sivan 6, now called Pentecost. (Book of Enoch, 68)
Agape

INCOMING EMAIL

> > I think Pope Francis is Antichrist.

do you have any support for that belief other than Obama cannot be the President of the World?

MY REPLY

Pope Francis blasphemes God and Christ. He gives the wrong information about how to be saved.

I'm not the only one that thinks this. A quick search on Google will turn up things like the following.

"BLASPHEMY! "Pope" Francis claims Jesus had to ... - Novus Ordo Watch novusordowatch.org/2015/12/francis-says-jesus-sinned/ Dec 28, 2015 - "Pope" Francis claims Jesus Christ had to "Beg Forgiveness" of Mary"

"Francis said that God redeems everyone -- not just Christians, but atheists, as well."
http://www.cnn.com/2015/01/19/living/pope-said-what/

"Pope Denies Jesus Is Only Way to Heaven"

unitedforawakening.com/pope-denies-jesus-is-only-way-to-heaven/
The Pope wrote: "The question for those who do not believe in God is to follow their own conscience."

That will not work.

Rom 10:9-13 (KJV) says, "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. 12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. 13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved."

Joh 3:16 says, "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

THE FIRST-TRUMP RAPTURE IS MID-TRIB JUST BEFORE THE FALSE PROPHET TAKES COMMAND

Rev 13:1-11 says, "And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast (i.e., Antichrist) rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy (i.e., Pontifex Maximus). 2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard (i.e., Greece, Dan 7:6), and his feet were as the feet of a bear (i.e., Medo-Persia, Dan 7:5), and his mouth as the mouth of a lion (Babylon, Dan 7:4): and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority. 3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast. 4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him? 5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and BLASPHEMES; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months (i.e., during the first half of the Tribulation). 6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and THEM THAT DWELL IN HEAVEN (i.e., the wise-virgin saints caught up just before the False Prophet comes to power). 7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints (i.e., the foolish-virgins left behind), and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. 8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. 9 If any man have an ear, let him hear. 10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints. 11 And I beheld another beast (i.e., the Satan-possessed False Prophet) coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns (i.e., two comings to power, in Judas Iscariot and the False Prophet) like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon." Agape

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