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Thanks much. I pray for you too. God honors our prayers.

I'm 88, and in the past, have been in the hospital one day for slight stroke and one day for being unconscious in Diabetic Coma when I forgot to take my pills. When I woke up, the nurse said, "The Lord loves you very much. Most don't make it.

I figure I am here for a reason.

When the man who hosts my site on his moved to a different city and changed servers, my website went down. All files since last Sept. 21 disappeared. No one knows why. Anyway, I have now replaced them, and am ready to proceed.

It is a wonder I was able to post again. I just kept trying, and it finally worked. I have never had any training in using computers, so simple things can be hard.

Without the help of two men, I wouldn't be able to keep the website, and I have never met either one. They are not even in my state.

God works in mysterious ways. Agape

IS THE RAPTURE LIMITED TO THE 40 DAYS THAT THE WINDOWS OF HEAVEN WERE OPEN IN NOAH'S DAY?

By Marilyn Agee

At the time of the Olivet Discourse, the disciples asked Jesus, "Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world (aion, age)?" (Mt 24:3)

It looks like the Rapture is limited to the 40 days that the windows of heaven were open in Noah's day.

Gen 7:11,12 says, "In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month (i.e., Iyar 17), the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and THE WINDOWS OF HEAVEN WERE OPENED. 12 And the rain was upon the earth forty days and forty nights."

17th of Iyar, 5777 = Sat, 13 May 2017 + 40 days = Thu. June 22, 2017 Pentecost = Sun. June 4, 2017

In Mat 24:37-42, Jesus said, "But AS THE DAYS OF NOE WERE, SO SHALL ALSO THE COMING OF THE SON OF MAN BE. 38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, 39 And knew not until THE FLOOD CAME, AND TOOK THEM ALL AWAY; SO SHALL ALSO THE COMING OF THE SON OF MAN BE. 40 Then (tote, at that time) shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come."

Both verses 37 and 39 say, "SO SHALL ALSO THE COMING OF THE SON OF MAN BE". It is emphasized, because it is important.

Noah went into the Ark on Iyar 17. It rained 40 days and 40 nights, i.e., Iyar 17 through Sivan 27. (Notice the 7s, which could tie in with 2017) The only feast day that falls within that time span is Pentecost.

To me, it looks like the Rapture, when Jesus will take the wise-virgin saints to Heaven, probably will fall on Pentecost.

In Mat 24:32,33, Jesus said, "Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh: 33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors."

The fig tree puts forth its leaves in early June, the time of Pentecost.

According to tradition, Enoch (meaning teacher) was born and raptured on Sivan 6, now called Pentecost by the Israelites.

Noah was floating above the ground during the time that later became Pentecost.

Do we need more clues?

MY REPLY TO A POST ON FIVE DOVES

> > "THE JUBILEE YEARS: 34 BC, 17 AD, 1517 AD, 1917 AD, 1967 AD, 2017 AD."

I studied the years of Jesus' birth, the Jubilee and the year of the Crucifixion as hard as I could go. I think 28 AD was a Jubilee Year, and that Jesus was crucified in 30 AD.

When Jesus, born in 5 BC, was 30 years old in 27 AD, he stood up in the Synagogue, and read Isa 61:1,2.

Isa 61:1,2 says, "The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound; 2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD".

I think the acceptable year of the LORD was the Jubilee year 3788 (28 AD). Agape

MY REPLY TO AN EMAIL (OMITTED)

I am hoping that the Rapture will be on Sun. June 4, 2017, Pentecost.

Enoch was born and raptured on Sivan 6. It looks like the Second Advent will be on Trumpets, Jesus' birthday. Maybe the Church will be raptured on Pentecost, its birthday.

I'm not alone in thinking this way. I found the following on the Internet.

"Since June is the month of weddings for communities around the world, there is no better time to reflect on the much anticipated gathering of the bride (kallah) and the wedding of the Lamb!" http://free.messianicbible.com/feature/ancient-jewish-wedding-customs-and-yeshuas-second-coming/

Many people say that no one knows the date of the Rapture, but Jesus didn't say that. He said that heaven and earth would pass away....

In Mat 24:35-37, he said, "Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. 36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. 37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be."

So, what happened in the days of Noah? He went into the Ark on Iyar 17. It rained 40 days. The ONLY feast day that takes place within that 40-day period is Pentecost. The water may have accumulated to the point that the heavy wooden Ark would float by Pentecost.

When were the windows of heaven open?

Gen_7:11 says, "In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened."

Gen_8:2 says, "The fountains also of the deep and the windows of heaven were stopped, and the rain from heaven was restrained".

I think we will go to heaven during the 40 days when the windows of heaven are open.

The Ark rested upon Ararat "in the seventh month, on the seventeenth day". It doesn't even mention the first day of the seventh month in the account.

Gen 8:1-4 says, "And God remembered Noah, and every living thing, and all the cattle that was with him in the ark: and God made a wind to pass over the earth, and the waters asswaged; 2 The fountains also of the deep and the windows of heaven were stopped, and the rain from heaven was restrained; 3 And the waters returned from off the earth continually: and after the end of the hundred and fifty days the waters were abated. 4 And the ark rested in the seventh month, on the seventeenth day of the month, upon the mountains of Ararat."

If the Rapture was to be on Trumpets, don't you think the Lord would have mentioned the seventh month, the first day, in Noah's day? The fact that he didn't makes me stick to Pentecost for the Rapture. Agape

My afterthought: The first Rapture is as the days of Noah, peaceful. The second Rapture is as the days of Lot. Fire falls that day. Agape

MY REPLY TO A POST ON FIVE DOVES

Ibalog (5 March 2017) "SEPTEMBER 23,2017 ; Rev 12 Prophecy is the Final Rapture Warning!"

Thank you for figuring out that "Rev 12 Prophecy is the Final Rapture Warning!". That is perfect, because I am convinced that the first Rapture, the Mid-Trib Rapture of the wise-virgin saints, takes place in Rev. 12.

Your 1st post:
> > Ibalog (5 March 2017)
"SEPTEMBER 23,2017 ; Rev 12 Prophecy is the Final Rapture Warning!"

> > After the Rev. 12 prophecy there are "NO More Signs" Warning us that The
> > Rapture/Tribulation is imminent.

To me, that is because the Mid-Trib Rapture has just taken place.

> > Rev.12 is the Final Warning sign of the rapture. This Warning Sign needs
> > to be seen BEFORE September 23,2017.

As for me, I hope it will be understood before Pentecost, Sun. June 4, 2017, when I expect the first Rapture to take place when the voice of the archangel Michael is heard.

> > I found absolutely nothing in the Old Testament and new Testament that
> > comes after the Rev. 12 sign/prophecy to tell us we have a 'short time
> > to prepare' for the rapture. We may have under 200 day's left to get
> > ready. I hope we all received the clue that the 'church age is closing'
> > during the blood moons on Jewish feast day's of 2014/15.There maybe
> > 'MORE SIGNS' before September 23,2017 and in my heart I believe there
> > will be,but after that date of September 23rd 2017 there are 'NO MORE
> > ALERTS' to get ready for the rapture!! God Bless!!

Your 2nd post:
> > Ibalog (5 March 2017)
"It's the final countdown!!"

> > The Lord Jesus will not hide from his bride the general time of the
> > rapture.

I think he has revealed it as Mid-Trib in Rev. 12.

> > We are about to move into a new home and we need to prepare ourselves.
> > If you have any 'idols' in your life you need to "smash them". The time
> > of the rapture has been set. We have been given 'ample warning' before
> > the set-time of rapture. If we take your eye's off Jesus in this hour we
> > will be looking for "something or someone else". I'm now focusing on a
> > possible date of "September 23,2017" as the hour of departure. I'm not
> > even close to looking for another rapture date at this time. It's our
> > Blessed hope because the Tribulation will start immediately after we
> > leave here. Remember that when you are engaged to be married down here,
> > in most cases the couple 'set a date/time' for the wedding so they both
> > have time to get ready to 'leave their home for a new one'.

I think we are already in the Tribulation. The Rapture is coming when the voice of the archangel Michael is heard Mid-Trib.

ITh 4:16 says, "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first".

The archangel's name is Michael.

Jud_1:9 says, "Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee."

> > "ON NOVEMBER 20TH 2016 JUPITER ENTERS THE WOMB OF VIRGO"

> > ..."Due to retrograde motion Jupiter stays in or near the abdomen of
> > Virgo until September 9, 2017."
http://www.marylutyndall.com/2016/09/the-rapture-sign-of-2017.html

> > I found absolutely nothing in the Old Testament and new Testament that > > comes after the Rev. 12 sign/prophecy to tell us we have a 'short time > > to prepare' for the rapture.

I think that is because the Rapture takes place in Rev. 12.

Rev 12:6-12 says, "And the woman (i.e., Israel) fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place (i.e., Petra) prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days (i.e., during the Great Tribulation). 7 And there was war in heaven: MICHAEL and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, 8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. 9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. 10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, NOW (arti, just now) IS COME SALVATION (soteria, rescue, deliverance, saving, i.e., the RAPTURE) , and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. 11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. 12 Therefore REJOICE, YE HEAVENS, AND YE THAT DWELL IN THEM. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time."

> > the Tribulation will start immediately after we leave here.

I think the Rapture will be on Pentecost Mid-Trib. "THEM THAT DWELL IN HEAVEN" are there Mid-Trib. After we leave, the Great Tribulation will take place.

Rev 13:5-11 says, "And there was given unto him (i.e., Antichrist) a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months (i.e., the first half of the Tribulation). 6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and THEM THAT DWELL IN HEAVEN (i.e., the wise-virgin saints caught up Mid-Trib). 7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints (i.e., the foolish-virgin saints left behind), and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. 8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. 9 If any man have an ear, let him hear. 10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints. 11 And I beheld ANOTHER BEAST (i.e., the Satan-possessed False Prophet) coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon."

AT THE FIRST RAPTURE, THE MID-TRIB RAPTURE, THE VOICE OF MICHAEL THE ARCHANGEL WILL BE HEARD

1Th 4:16,17 says, "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with THE VOICE OF THE ARCHANGEL, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord." Agape

MY REPLY TO POSTS ON FIVE DOVES

First Post:
Ola Ilori (5 March 2017)
"THE JUBILEE YEARS: 34 BC, 17 AD, 1517 AD, 1917 AD, 1967 AD, 2017 AD."

> > We now know that 34 BC was a Jubilee Year. When we count 1 Jubilee of 50
> > Years, from 33 BC, we arrive at the next Jubilee Year 17 AD. There's no
> > Year 0. The Lord was 16 Years old in 1 AD, and started His public
> > Ministry in 15 AD, when He was 30 Years old. The Lord conquered sin and
> > death in a Jubilee Year in 17 AD.

> > From 17 AD, when we count off 30 Jubilees, we arrive at the Year 1517.
> > From 1517, when count 8 Jubilees we arrive at the Year 1917. From 1917,
> > when we count 1 Jubilee we arrive at the Year 1967. And finally, from
> > 1967, when we count 1 Jubilee we arrive at the Year 2017. This is the
> > Year, I believe, the Lord is going set us free from the bondage of
> > corruption! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecN561_EwII?

Second Post:
Ola Ilori (5 March 2017)
"40 JUBILEES"

In 17 AD, a Jubilee Year, the Lord was crucified, died and descended into the heart of the earth to set the captives free who were held there in Abraham's bosom. He then returned them, after His glorious resurrection on First-fruits, to their own families in heaven. "Then you shall cause the trumpet of the Jubilee to sound on the tenth day of the seventh month; on the Day of Atonement you shall make the trumpet to sound throughout all your land. And you shall consecrate the fiftieth year, and proclaim liberty throughout all the land to all its inhabitants. It shall be a Jubilee for you; and each of you shall return to his possession, and each of you shall return to his family."[Lev.25:9.10]

A similar thing is about to happen again in 2017, a Jubilee Year! We've been in captivity all our live to the corruption of our natural bodies. And now the Lord Jesus Christ is getting ready to come for us in April on First-fruits, to give us our glorified bodies and return us to our own families in heaven. "...our citizenship is in heaven, from which we also eagerly wait for the Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ, who will transform our lowly body that it may be conformed to His glorious body, according to the working by which He is able even to subdue all things to Himself." [Phil.3:20,21]

It's clear now that the Lord intended for 40 Jubilees to pass before coming back again for us in the Rapture! 2017 is 40 Jubilees from 17 AD.

MY REPLY TO A POST ON FIVE DOVES

> > "THE JUBILEE YEARS: 34 BC, 17 AD, 1517 AD, 1917 AD, 1967 AD, 2017 AD."

I studied the years of Jesus' birth, the Jubilee and the year of the Crucifixion as hard as I could go. I think 28 AD was a Jubilee Year, and that Jesus was crucified in 30 AD.

When Jesus, born in 5 BC, was 30 years old in 27 AD, he stood up in the Synagogue, and read Isa 61:1,2.

Isa 61:1,2 says, "The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound; 2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD".

I think the acceptable year of the LORD was the Jubilee year 3788 (28 AD). Agape

MY REPLY TO A POST ON FIVE DOVES

> > Dru (URL) **HEAVENLY SIGN 2017**
> > http://www.heavenlysign2017.com/

> > "The Pre-Tribulational Rapture
> > "MEET
> > "Dr. Michael Svigel. Associate Professor of Theological Studies at
> > Dallas Theological Seminary

> > "The following statements from My Digital Seminary were taken from the
> > third of three interviews on the subject to reveal to you the reader
> > credible and remarkable insight into Revelation 12:1-5 and what it means
> > for humanity when it appears September 23, 2017.

> > "The catching up of the male child and the resulting war in heaven both
> > take place at the beginning of the 7-year tribulation. The war in heaven
> > and casting down of Satan, followed by the earthly invasion, attempted
> > attack on Israel, and the flight of the woman, all take place in the
> > first three-and-a-half years."

> > Then the reign of the Beast take place in the second half of the
> > tribulation. Therefore, the catching up of the male child (the rapture)
> > takes place before the seven-year tribulation. This becomes an excellent
> > exegetical argument for the pre-tribulation rapture.

I used to believe in a Pre-Trib Rapture, as many coming out of Dallas Theological Seminary and BIOLA College teach.

HERE IS THE SCRIPTURE THAT FIRST SHOWED ME THAT THE RAPTURE WOULD TAKE PLACE MID-TRIB

Rev 13:5-11 says, "And there was given unto him (i.e., THE FIRST BEAST, ANTICHRIST) a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months (i.e., during the first half of the Tribulation). 6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and THEM THAT DWELL IN HEAVEN (i.e., the wise-virgin saints caught up Mid-Trib). 7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints (i.e., the foolish-virgin saints left behind), and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. 8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. 9 If any man have an ear, let him hear. 10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints. 11 And I beheld ANOTHER BEAST (i.e., the Satan-possessed False Prophet) coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon."

POPE FRANCIS BLASPHEMY: HE SAID, "GOD IS NOT A DIVINE BEING"

"When we read about Creation in Genesis, we run the risk of imagining God was a magician, with a magic wand able to do everything — but that is not so. ... God is not a divine being or a magician, but the Creator who brought everything to life."
ijr.com/2014/10/193636-pope-francis-evolution-creation-god-divine-magician/

THE FIRST-TRUMP RAPTURE IS MID-TRIB, BECAUSE MICHAEL THE ARCHANGEL APPEARS MID-TRIB

1Th 4:16,17 says, "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, WITH THE VOICE OF THE ARCHANGEL, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."

MID-TRIB: "NOW IS COME SALVATION" (SOTERIA, RESCUE, DELIVERANCE, I.E., THE RAPTURE), AND STRENGTH, AND THE KINGDOM OF OUR GOD, AND THE POWER OF HIS CHRIST"

Rev 12:6-12 says, "And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place 9(i.e., Petra) prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days (i.e., during the Great Tribulation). 7 And there was war in heaven: MICHAEL and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, 8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. 9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. 10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, NOW (arti, just now, this day) IS COME SALVATION (soteria, rescue, deliverance, i.e., THE RAPTURE), and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. 11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. 12 THEREFORE REJOICE, YE HEAVENS, AND YE THAT DWELL IN THEM. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time" (i.e., the shortened Great Tribulation).

Dan 12:1 says, "And AT THAT TIME (i.e., Mid-Trib, when Antichrist 'shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain', Dan 11:45) shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and AT THAT TIME THY PEOPLE SHALL BE DELIVERED (malat, ESCAPE, LEAP OUT), every one that shall be found written in the book." Agape

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