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Posted 3-24-17

OROVILLE, CALIFORNIA, DAM UPDATE

By Marilyn Agee

"Lake Oroville, the State Water Project's principal water source, is the tallest in the United States at 770 feet." http://ww2.kqed.org/news/2015/05/14/california-drought-pictures-reservoirs-rivers/

Following five years of drought, this is one of California's wettest rainy seasons on record. Cascading water has enormous force. In spite of rebar in the concrete, part of the main concrete spillway broke away, and the emergency spillway hill eroded fast.

"State officials said temporary repairs included pouring concrete slurry around the edges of where cement parts of the main spillway broke off a month ago, drilling steel rods 30 feet deep into the bedrock to secure remaining cement and sealing cracks. Since resuming flow, officials reported no evidence of fresh erosion problems that could further undermine the structure." http://www.marketwatch.com/story/californias-damaged-oroville-dam-spillway-back-in-use-ahead-of-storms-2017-03-19

Thank you Lord.

If you look at this picture of the astonishing erosion, you will see that it was much worse than it looked in other pictures found on the Internet. This picture was taken by Kelly M. Grow/California Department Of Water Resources. http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Oroville-dam-operators-forced-to-send-more-water-11009935.php#photo-12475264

IS ANTICHRIST A ROMAN?

As in 30 AD, it looks like the battle is still with a Roman, this time a wolf in sheep's clothing.

INCOMING EMAIL, RE: Possible Rapture date (maybe)

Hello Mrs. Agee, my name is ... and have read and enjoyed many of your articles on Five Doves about possible dates of our Blessed Hope. If you don't mind, respectfully, I believe that I may have a pretty good theory that I believe many have not noticed. Do you remember in the book of Matthew about Jesus dying on the cross and shouting and an earthquake came and split the rocks and all the dead saints were resurrected and went to all of their relatives? Ok, then came a realization that this event is only, to my knowledge, is mentioned in the book of Matthew and nowhere else but that book. I think I may know the reason why. What was Matthew's profession before he became a disciple?? Of course! He was a tax collector!! I believe the next Resurrection of the dead saints may or may not occur this coming tax day on April 18th! Then at this point we can count the exact day of the Rapture by counting 43 days later. Why 43 days later? Because Jesus was in the earth 3 days as the resurrected saints were on the earth 3 days and were taken by Jesus 40 days later after His Resurrection. I have counted 43 days from April 18th to May 31st of this year of a possible day of our Rapture. I may or may not be right but it could be a clue in the timing of our Blessed Hope! I hope you find this information very curious in nature and want to check it out for yourself and pray to the Lord about it. Like I said, I may or may not be right. Take it to the Lord and see what He says. Thank you

MY REPLY

So good to hear from you. I have never thought about bringing Matthew's job into the picture, or about tax day tying in. We do need to consider all angles. Hmmm. Let's think this through.

> > Jesus was in the earth 3 days as the resurrected saints were on the earth 3 days and were taken by Jesus 40 days later after His Resurrection.

I think Jesus took the OT saints to Heaven on Firstfruits.

In Joh_20:17, "Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God."

He could be touched later on in the day.

Eph 4:8-10 says, "When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. 9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? 10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)"

To me, it looks like Jesus descended into Abraham's bosom to take the OT saints to Heaven.

Luk 16:22,23 says, "And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom".

I still think there are three Raptures, Firstfruits (fulfilled in 30 AD), Pentecost, and Trumpets. The Lord works in an orderly way. He set the feast days where he did for a good reason.

It is amazing that you came to May 31st. That might be very close, close enough to point to Pentecost.

May 31 is my brother's birthday. Not that that has to tie in, but our son David was born on Crucifixion Day, April 6. I dug post holes and built a fence around our front yard the week before, trying to make him be born on my husband's birthday. That didn't work. He had to be born on April 6. Agape

HIS REPLY

Curiously though, just found that May 31st is the beginning of Shavuot.

MY REPLY

Yes! It is amazing how your way works out. Wed, 31 May 2017 = 6th of Sivan, 5777, the date the Jews go by. All we have to do is go to the following Sunday. Anywhere in there will be ok with me. Agape

HIS REPLY

I hope it's right! I wanna go home and see Jesus and be out of this sin-filled evil Godless world. Nothing here for me. Pray for all of my family members and friends that they go in the Rapture. If I was given the opportunity, I would not hesitate to leave this world and go to Jesus!

MY REPLY

I prayed.

> > If I was given the opportunity, I would not hesitate to leave this world and go to Jesus!

You wouldn't find me hesitating either. I know a little of what it will be like. My son dreamed of he and I going up in the air. He said that there was no sensation of wind or cold.

A few years later, my husband Ed died in December when he was 87. He came to see me the following April 2nd. He looked great, had his dark hair back. I asked him if he was 30 or 33. He said, "33". His pant leg looked like silk shirt material the way it flowed around his shin bone.

I thought about this scripture. Luk 24:39-43 says, "Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have. 40 And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet. 41 And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat? 42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb. 43 And he took it, and did eat before them."

One time while Ed was still here, I dreamed that he and I were in Heaven. We were walking toward a large door in a huge warehouse type building. A boy I had led to the Lord ran up and hugged me. I said, "Yes, you almost didn't make it." He had just accepted Christ after I sent him a Pen Pal letter before he stepped on a land mine in Viet Nam.

The boy disappeared in the crowd. Ed and I went into the building and sat down on a bench by one of many long tables, draped in white tablecloths and arranged like pews in a church. There were huge unoccupied dining-room type tables down in the front. We were served food.

I keep wondering what we will be doing during the Millennium, but Ed and I will be doing it together, and I know exactly what he will look like. Agape

INCOMING EMAIL, Re: Those taken in Luke 17 and Matt 24

This is basically the puzzle I'm wrestling with:

http://www.rapturesolution.com/beechick/Book/First.htm

Would really appreciate your thoughts! Thank you

MY REPLY

The person you quoted wrote:
"Concerning the Rapture...the order of harvest at the end of the tribulation has nothing to do with the rapture at the beginning of the tribulation" His chart shows two gatherings, one the "Gathering of Israel" ... "to Jerusalem" the other "the Rapture of the Church"... "in the clouds".

In my mind, that person is mixed up. I thought the first Rapture would be Pre-Trib for a long time, but not since I read Rev 13:5-11 more carefully. It finally soaked in that "THEM THAT DWELL IN HEAVEN" are there during the reign of the Antichrist just before the False Prophet comes to power Mid-Trib.

This scripture opened my eyes.

Rev 13:5-11 says, "And there was given unto him (i.e., Antichrist, the first beast) a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months (i.e., during the first half of the Tribulation). 6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and THEM THAT DWELL IN HEAVEN (i.e., the wise-virgin saints caught up just before the False Prophet comes to power). 7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints (i.e., the foolish-virgin saints left behind), and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. 8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. 9 If any man have an ear, let him hear. 10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints. 11 And I beheld ANOTHER BEAST (i.e., the Satan-possessed False Prophet, who comes to power Mid-Trib) coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon."

The first Rapture (ITh 4:16,17) is Mid-Trib (with no earthquake). The last Rapture (ICo 15:51-54) is Post-Trib (with a great earthquake).

We should know that the first Rapture is Mid-Trib, because it is when Michael the archangel comes.

1Th 4:16,17 says, "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of THE ARCHANGEL, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then (i.e., when Michael the archangel arrives) we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."

REVELATION 12:10 TELLS US THAT THE RAPTURE IS MID-TRIB, AND REV 12:12 SEALS IT WHEN IT SAYS, "REJOICE, YE HEAVENS, AND YE THAT DWELL IN THEM"

Rev 12:6-12 says, "And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. 7 And there was war in heaven: MICHAEL and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, 8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. 9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. 10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, NOW (arti, just now, i.e., Mid-Trib) IS COME SALVATION (soteria, rescue, i.,e., the RAPTURE) and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. 11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. 12 Therefore REJOICE, YE HEAVENS, AND YE THAT DWELL IN THEM."

The last verse in Rev 10 tells John to prophecy again. Therefore, the "rise" in the next verse is the same as the "Come up hither" in Rev 4:1. Here we find out that the first Rapture takes place Mid-Trib when Moses and Elijah come back.

Rev 11:1-3 says, "And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, RISE, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein. 2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months. 3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses (i.e., Moses and Elijah), and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days (i.e., during the Great Tribulation), clothed in sackcloth."

Moses and Elijah are caught up in the second Rapture when there is a great earthquake at the end of the Great Tribulation.

Rev 11:12,13 says, "And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them. 13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven."

> > Re: Those taken in Luke 17 and Matt 24

There are two Raptures, one as in the days of Noah, the other as the days of Lot.

Mat 24:37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be."

The Lord shut the door of the Ark on Iyar 17. The windows of heaven were open for 40 days. Pentecost is the only feast day that falls within that 40-day span.

Luk 17:26-30 says, "And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. 27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. 28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; 29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. 30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed." Agape

INCOMING EMAIL, RE: prophecy

I was wondering if you knew what the correct timeline is of the first 483 years of Daniel's prophecy of the 70 sevens assuming that the crucifixion was in 30 A.D. Sincerely

MY REPLY

457 BC, beginning of the 483 years of Dan 9:24-26

Cyrus gave the initial command, but the work was delayed by those who did not want Jerusalem rebuilt. The final command was that of Artaxerxes, in 457 BC.

Jesus was crucified in 30 AD. Remember that there was no zero year between BC 1 and AD 1.

Another thought just crossed my mind. The year 28 AD was the Jubilee. Jesus stood up in the synagogue and announced it on the Sabbath after he became 30 on Tishri 1 in 27 AD. Agape

MY REPLY TO A POST ON FIVE DOVES

> > James (19 March 2017)
> > "Jesus was crucified on a Wednesday, NOT a Friday"

I did a lot of research on the date of the Crucifixion. I think Jesus was crucified on Thursday, Nisan 13, 3790 (April 6, 30 AD).

It was on the day of preparation for the Passover.

Mar_15:42 says, "And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation".

Luk_23:54 says, "And that day was the preparation".

Joh_19:14 says, "And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!"

Joh_19:31 says, "The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day [i.e., a feast day, an annual sabbath, Passover],) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away."

Joh_19:42 says, "There laid they Jesus therefore because of the Jews' preparation day; for the sepulchre was nigh at hand." Agape

A POST ON FIVE DOVES, RE: "WHAT HAPPENS FIRST ?"

TH (19 March 2017)
"WHAT HAPPENS FIRST ?"

Here's a question I really don't have an answer for, and I was hoping someone could Help answer. We Pre-Tribbers know, or at least think we know, that all the people that have died and were Believers in JESUS (and that HE was the Son of GOD, and that HE Died in order that we might be Reconciled to"back" to GOD)* are going to "Rise" First and those of us that are Alive (at that time) will (then) be changed into to a "New" Body and join with JESUS, and the recently "Risen" Believers of the Past, in the SKY, Never to Separated from JESUS, EVER ! Then WE and JESUS and some other Heavenly Beings return to DEFEAT what's left of the un-believers and satan and his bunch, and JESUS sets up HIS KINGDOM that Reigns on Earth for a Thousand Years. We, Reign with HIM and satan has been chained up for the duration. That's pretty much the scenario. We also know from Scripture that GOD is going to "Seal" HIS Servants BEFORE anything "Bad" happens on/to the Earth. So, Here's the Question: WHEN ....does this "Sealing" take place ? BEFORE...? or AFTER...? the Rapture ? ? Maybe even ...DURING ? If ...ANYBODY has an answer to this, I'd like to hear it. Of course their answer MUST be Scripturally sound and supportable. I have formed my own idea of how this is going to play out, but I'm going to hold my thoughts to myself, so as to not prejudice any responses anybody cares to put forth on this. I think this is an important distinction to reconcile, as we think about what is about to unfold for us "in-dwelt" Believers. I think the answer to this Question, ( the "Correct" Answer) might shed some Light on the "Multiple Rapture" concept that some people embrace and argue for. I say this ....IN LOVE ! "Let's not be to quick to Judge, nor be Critical of those (of us) that have differing views on our final Earthly moments, as we are A L L ..AGREED on our FINAL DESTINATION.....the "method" of Arrival is of little import when compared to the qualifications necessary to be a "ticket holder". HOWEVER, I will CONFIDENTLY State..here and now..that those that hold w/ the "Post Trib" view are NOT CORRECT ! AND...IF...they are, they are for themselves, and ONLY themselves, CORRECT. Wouldn't wanna be ya ! There is ABSOLUTELY ...NO WAY...the JESUS I KNOW and LOVE and HE LOVES ME..is gonna put me though that Earthly Hell ! ! The "Post-Trib" view is of WORKS ! Insulting to our Savior ! They DON'T KNOW HIM nor do they HEAR HIS VOICE ! THAT'S A FACT ! ! They wanna be there up on the Cross with HIM...Egotistical FOOLS ! ! How dare they cheapen HIS SACRIFICE !

They're gonna GET everything they have wrought for themselves, by themselves ! We are not supposed to suffer Fools, so I will not speak of these Fools anymore. Let's leave them to their delusions.... When we "think" on the "Sealing", we MUST also Think about WHO, is actually being Sealed. Lots and lots of opinions on that. I think that we should make that topic#2, after we have sparked some discussion as to "When" We can, those who are interested enough, pick up the "who" question in the next chat. I would really appreciate your thoughts on the sequential timing of HIS SEALING as it relates to the Rapture. I feel this is the TIME to "look" into this as I believe it's about TO HAPPEN....Discuss this w/ HIM....I'd really like to hear from you, what HE SAYS to YOU, about this. Luvyas ! T H * and HE considers HIS SHEEP

MY REPLY

> > We Pre-Tribbers > > So, Here's the Question: WHEN ....does this "Sealing" take place ? BEFORE...? or AFTER...? the Rapture ?

Maybe even ...DURING ? If ...ANYBODY has an answer to this, I'd like to hear it

RE: "PRE-TRIBBERS"

I used to think the Rapture would come before the Tribulation, but when I read Rev 13:5-11 more carefully, I changed my mind. The Rapture will be Mid-Trib.

"THEM THAT DWELL IN HEAVEN" ARE THERE JUST BEFORE THE FALSE PROPHET TAKES COMMAND MID-TRIB

Rev 13:5-11 says, "And there was given unto him (i.e., Antichrist, the Pontifex Maximus) a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months (i.e., during the first half of the Tribulation). 6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and THEM THAT DWELL IN HEAVEN (i.e., the wise-virgin saints caught up just before the False Prophet comes to power Mid-Trib). 7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints (i.e., the foolish-virgin saints left behind), and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. 8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. 9 If any man have an ear, let him hear. 10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints. 11 And I beheld ANOTHER BEAST (i.e., the Satan-possessed False Prophet) coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon."

NOW I FINALLY UNDERSTAND ITH 4:16,17 AND REV 12:6-12

THE CLUE: The voice of the archangel Michael will be heard at the time of the Rapture.

ITh 4:16,17 says, "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with THE VOICE OF THE ARCHANGEL, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then (epeita, after that) we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."

Forget ICo 15:51-54 for a minute. It applies to the Rapture on the Day of the Lord at the end of the Tribulation. That is when we will get our Immortal bodies.

MICHAEL THE ARCHANGEL IS HEARD MID-TRIB, AND A LOUD VOICE IN HEAVEN SAYS, "NOW IS COME SALVATION" (I.E., THE RAPTURE)

Rev 12:6-12 says, "And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. 7 And there was war in heaven: MICHAEL and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, 8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. 9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. 10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, NOW (arti, just now, i.e., Mid-Trib) IS COME SALVATION (soteria, rescue, i.e., the RAPTURE), and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. 11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. 12 Therefore REJOICE, YE HEAVENS, AND YE THAT DWELL IN THEM."

Dan 12:1 says, "And at that time (i.e., Mid-Trib) shall MICHAEL stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and AT THAT TIME THY PEOPLE SHALL BE DELIVERED, EVERY ONE THAT SHALL BE FOUND WRITTEN IN THE BOOK."

"AFTER THAT YE BELIEVED, YE WERE SEALED"

2Co_1:22 says, "Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts."

Eph_1:13 says, "In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise".

Eph_4:30 says, "And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption." Agape

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