Pro And Con

"A soft answer turneth away wrath" (Proverbs 15:1)

Since settling on certain dates for end-time events is such a controversial subject among Christians, I thought you might be interested in some excerpts from the e-mail flying back and forth behind the scenes. Editorial comments of mine are in pink. Red emphasis is mine.

Incoming E-Mail, Subject: Great Page

"I think that you have an excellent home page!! It has really opened my eyes. Let me explain...."

"Surprisingly enough, some of my friends believe in the rapture. I never did. I was always skeptical about it. I was always taught that we don't know when the end time is coming. But the signs are here!!! I was taught to believe that Jesus Christ is our savior. And that if you believe that and you believe that all your sins are forgiven and you ask for forgivness that you will be saved. I was never taught that we have to watch for the end time other than believing that (we feel we are prepared by believing that). Do we have to know or watch for the end time to be saved? Is having faith in our Lord Jesus Christ enough to be saved?

"Your page has really caught my interest. I am going to print it... I'm sure that it would be great study material!..."

My Reply

We...don't have to be right about anything but Christ to be saved. It is unconditional. Salvation is a free gift, but we do have to take it. We have to exercise our own free will and choose to believe in Christ. To make sure I was saved, I prayed and told the Lord I believed in him. I asked him to be my own personal Saviour. At that moment, God forgave my sins and I was pure in his sight. Of course, later I committed sin. We are not perfect. But what I had to do to get the dirt of that later sin off my feet was to use I John 1:9 and confess that sin to God. Then that sin was wiped off my record and I was back in fellowship with God again with no sin barrier between us. To go in the first Rapture we should make sure that we have no unconfessed sin in our lives. Then we are wearing the white wedding garment and will be chosen as the Bride of Christ and will be taken to Heaven before the Tribulation.

We do not have to watch for the end time to be saved, but Jesus did tell us 23 times to "Watch." It is so simple. In Rev. 3:3, Jesus told the churches (believers), "If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, (i.e., at Rapture 2 at the end of the Shortened Tribulation, Rev. 16:15) and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee." Therefore, If we don't watch, we won't know when he is coming for us at the Rapture. If we do watch, we can know. What we were watching for was for Israel to fulfill the Fig Tree Parable of Matthew 24:32-34, which she did in 1967. In the Six-Day War, Israel grew 4 leaves, Sinai, Golan Heights, Gaza Strip and West Bank. It took me a year to catch on to its significance, but it is a great watershed of history. That War made it possible to figure out when all major end-time events would take place. Daniel 4 said that in the "time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased." Little did we know that those words included that the knowledge of the meaning of Scripture would be increased too. And, look at the Internet. Who could have ever dreamed of such a worldwide distribution of knowledge as we have today. It's fantastic. We live in exciting times.

However, we also live on the brink of destruction. The number 40 means testing and probation. When the 40 years of probation run out in 2007 (1967 + 40 = 2007), civilization as we know it will be destroyed just prior to the return of Christ, who will renovate things. The last seven of those years (shortened to 2,300 days or no flesh would be saved) will be the worst time on Earth since Adam was created. Christ has given us a chance to be saved from it and we'd better be sure we take his way out, the Rapture. It is our only chance to go to Heaven without having to die too. It is our "blessed hope."

E-Mail From One Who Is Vehemently Against Setting Dates

...You are setting dates. I do not accept this practice and many others before you have been wrong in the past....(flame)

My Reply, Subject: Soft Answer to Hate Mail

I do not mean to antagonize anyone. Every Christian is entitled to his or her own ideas. We can be wrong about a lot of things and if we are right about Christ, we will make it to Heaven. That is what counts. Everything else is just different views among believers. You mentioned Harold Camping. Just because he was wrong does not make anyone else wrong. According to logic, l000 could be wrong and it would not make the next one wrong. I can accept the fact that a lot of people think we cannot know when the Rapture will take place or when the Lord will return as King of kings and Lord of lords. I thought that way myself in the past. I can understand that viewpoint, and I have no animosity toward anyone with a different viewpoint than mine. We have so little time left before the Rapture, whenever it is, that we should all pull together to help others come to the Lord. Whatever differences we might have are minor compared to the central Christian message.

(His Reply) Subject: Re: Soft Answer To Hate Mail

...I agree, but when you go to outside sources other than the Bible, you are wrong. You can not stand on your theory with the Bible alone. (I can.) You go to outside sources to back up your ideas. (I don't think so.) Your initial idea might be biblically founded, but you can not suport it alone on scripture. If your theory can not stand up to the Bible, then it will not hold water, thus faulse doctine...not just "another idea."

... You know your numbers and everything else in regards to your ides, but you are weak when it comes to putting yourself up as a prophet, WHICH you are doing in making this assumption. DO you know the penalty if you are wrong? Death. I take on many faulse prophets / date setters and all have been wrong so far. So what will you do when 1998 comes and you are wrong? Backpeddle? Admit you were wrong and then step down from your self appointed position? What about all those who follow you? YOU are responciable for them being a teacher. Do you realize the judgement as a Christian you will be judged for? I know that that alone is what keeps me accountable.

>I can accept the fact that a lot of people think we cannot know when >the Rapture will take place or when the Lord will return as King of kings >and Lord of lords. I thought that way myself in the past. I can >understand that viewpoint, and I have no animosity toward anyone with a >different viewpoint than mine. We have so little time left before the >Rapture, whenever it is, that we should all pull together to help others >come to the Lord. Whatever differences we might have are minor compared >to the central Christian message.

I agree again with what you say, but your theory is not biblical, and does not stand up to the scriptures. I can not support it...period. Now if you can give me verses in defence, then please do.

My Reply, Subject: "Verses In Defence"

I don't know what "outside sources other than the Bible" you are talking about. I read just about everything I could find that explained the Bible. I also read every version of the Bible I could find, and that is the only thing I believe without qualification. Other books have to be verified with Scripture.I do stand on my "theory with the Bible alone."

Also, I am not a phophet. In Numbers 12:6, the Lord said, Hear now my words: If there be a prophet among you I the LORD will make myself known unto him in a vision, and will speak unto him in a dream." I have had no vision and I was fully awake when he Lord spoke to me and said, "Be still and know that I am God." It was not in a dream.

If you keep saying everyone is wrong without comparing what they say with Scripture, you will be wrong yourself some day. If the Rapture does not happen on Pentecost in l998, I will say just what I do now, that it does not have to happen at that time, but that is how it looks to me. I do think we can be absolutely certain that it will take place before the the Tribulation begins. In a way, you and I are in the same boat. If the Rapture does not happen then, I will have to eat humble pie. If it does happen at that time, you will have to eat humble pie.

I have presented my position, according to the scriptures, on my Home Page and in my books, but here is some food for thought. In Mark 13:32-37, Jesus said,

"But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which arein heaven, neither the Son, but the Father. Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is. For the Son of man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and...commanded the porter to watch. Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning (notice that the day is not mentioned here): lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping. And what I say unto you I say unto all,Watch."

Jesus said "watch and pray." He does not want to find us sleeping. What were we to pray for? The rest of the sentence says, "for ye know not when the time is." Were we to pray so we would know when the time is? It is certain that if we watch, we will know "what hour" he will come upon us, because Revelation 3:3 says to the churches, "If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee." Have you been watching?

If we were really alert, it looks like we could have known when end-time events would take place as early as June, 1967. It did not gel for me until one year later, however. In the Six-Day War, Israel grew leaves, Sinai, West Bank, Gaza Strip and Golan Heights. This fulfilled the Fig Tree Parable of Matthew 24:32-34. "When his branch is yet tender (i.e., 19 years old), and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh (summer began June 21)." Therefore, we are the ones that could "see all these things" and "know that it (the Rapture) is near, even at the doors (symbol of the Raptures, when the doors of Heaven open, see Rev. 4:1.2)."

Once you "know" that the Rapture is near, you also know that the end of the Age is near. Then the next verse tells us how long it will be until the end of the Age. It says, "This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled." Therefore, since a generation was demonstrated to be 40 years at the time of the Exodus, the generation born in 1967 ends in 2007. On the Jewish Calendar, the war in which Israel took the rest of Jerusalem was in 5727. That plus 40 years is 5767. The last day of 5767 is our September 12, 2007. The Lord made it easy to figure out, because the Age ends that day and the Millennium begins on the Jewish Feast of Trumpets, Tishri 1, 5768 (our September 13, 2007).

How can we be sure? that seems too easy. Next, we go to Daniel 8:13,14, which says, "How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot? And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed." It is talking about the first half of the Tribulation, when the Jews sacrifice in their temple, plus the latter part of the Shortened Tribulation, after the Wicked One, the False Prophet, sits in the temple and desecrates it Mid-Tribulation (see II Thess. 2:4f). If you count the 2,300 days by Jewish inclusive reckoning back from September 13, 2007, you will find that the Tribulation, or Seventieth Week of Daniel, will begin on the Feast of Weeks (Pentecost) in 5761, our 2001.

Once we know when the Tribulation will begin, Luke 13:6-9 describes the four Jewish years between the Rapture and the beginning of the Tribulation. Jesus

"spake also this parable: A certain man had a fig tree (Israel) planted in his vineyard; and he came and sought fruit thereon (at the Rapture), and found none. Then said he unto the dresser of his vineyard, Behold, these three years I come seeking fruit on this fig tree, and find none: cut it down; why cumbereth it the ground? And he answering said unto him, Lord, let it alone this year also, till I shall dig about it, and dung it: And if it bear fruit, well: and if not, then after that thou shalt cut it down."

If the Rapture takes place on Pentecost in 5758, the four years, according to Jewish inclusive reckoning, will be 5758, 5759, 5760, and 5761. Those four years would be counted like the Six-Day War, which began June 5 and ended June 10. The six days were June 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, and 10. The four years would start and end on Pentecost.

To me, these correlations with Scripture are just too good to ignore. Please tell me how you interpret these verses. I hope you won't sluff it off like the man who said of the parable of the barren fig tree that he didn't know what it meant, that it is probably an aside. That is evading the question.

Incoming E-Mail, Subject: "Wow!

"Your web page looks great. You must really have some time wrapped up in it. Keep up the good work and good luck."

Incoming E-Mail, Subject: "Dates"

"I wish not to debate your predictions. If the Lord comes on that date or not makes no difference to me. All that matters is that we are prepared to accept him when He comes. Our life on this earth is but a preparation for Heaven. We will be praising God at all times and must begin now. Bring others with you so that they may know the joy of the Lord. What good does knowing the date to to you anyway? All it is, is food for idle hands. Live today as if TONIGHT you'll meet your maker. I would love to hear from you later."

My Reply, Subject: What Matters

You are right about what is most important. The only problem is that many are Laodiceans. They are not adequately prepared. They are not even watching. Do you want them to be left behind? Should we try to shake them out of their lethargy? What will it take to wake them up?

If there is a possibility that we are supposed to figure out when the Lord is coming, we should look into it so we can warn the Laodiceans that it is likely to be soon and they should get ready. Even those who think it will be around 2000 A.D. may get a rude shock if it surprises them by coming a bit before they are ready. All their elaborate plans for 2000 could be for nothing.

Jesus scolded the Pharisees for not knowing the time. Matthew 16:3 says, "O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not discern the signs of the times?" They could have figured out the time of the First Advent from Daniel 9:24-26, but they did not. It looks like this will repeat in our times for the blind lead the blind just as they did in those days. Jesus said,

"For there is nothing hid, which shall not be manifested; neither was any thing kept secret, but that it should come abroad. If any man have ears to hear, let him hear."

Incoming E-Mail, Subject: Pentecost Counted from Passover

How are you counting Pentecost??? A mistake here will be deadly. I believe that the rapture of the church will take place on the 1st Passover and that the 2nd Rapture occurs 30days later on 2nd Passover, and that is why there is two passovers. The world will see the Rapture and those that do not keep the passover, will know that it was so and hope to go on the second passover pickup. The beast will find out and chase them into the wilderness.

The sun and the moon must enter ARIES and then do you count off to Passover. Pentecost IS COUNTED FROM PASSOVER. If you make a mistake counting it you are doomed. The Jewish calender is 100% WRONG AND the Gregorian is ALSO 100% WRONG. Please contact me on HOW YOU ARE COUNTING IT.

using the jewish calendar is fatal to your computations. The calender was given to Adam and Seth. The Babylon calendar of the Jews OMITS the stars.

My reply

I used the present Jewish Calendar. I am interested in your information. Tell me more.

As for the two Raptures being close together, the Tribulation saints can't be left to go through God's Wrath. There would still have to be one just before the catastrophe.

The Parable of the Barren Fig Tree in Luke 13:6-9 points to a four-year gap between the Rapture of the Bride of Christ and the beginning of the Tribulation. Using Jewish inclusive reckoning, the years could be 5758, 5759, 5760, 5761 (roughly our l998, l999, 2000, 2001). If that period started on Pentecost and ended on Pentecost (the Feast of Weeks), the four years would be exact. That makes Pentecost sound like a good choice for the Rapture...

I feel confident that the Rapture has to be before the Feast of Weeks in 2001, also that the Parable of the Barren Fig Tree will apply. How would you apply it....

(His Reply) Re: Pentecost Counted from Passover

Pentecost is not the piont of departure for the rapture, I hate to be blunt, but pentecost is the receiving of power BY THE TWO WITNESSESS. They ALONE will be left on earth to do a MIGHTY WORK....

>I feel confident that the Rapture has to be before the Feast of Weeks >in 2001...also that the Parable of the Barren Fig Tree will apply. How >would you apply it?

Don't know think that it's an aside....

I admire your effort at making the scripture fit. I deem it heroic Counting the days, and doing the passover gives insight evermore. With the heavenly signs lining up the way they are I find it difficult to believe that it will go any further than 1997. Passover 1997 is the WEDDING FEAST OF THE LAMB. The WEDDING FEAST OF THE LAMB occurs as soon as you go under the blood. As soon as you walk through the door where the passover blood is on you enter the song of songs....

Again not to be repitutious, ck sp. Passover is the rapture, then can be no other feast where it could be so.

Christ is our passover. I don't see why Passover has to also be the Rapture.

(My Reply) Subject: Pentecost

You said,
>The sun and the moon must enter ARIES and then do you count off to

Do you know when the sun amd moon enter Aries in 1998? or when Passover, Feast of Firstfruits and Pentecost should be in 1997 and 1998? How can I find out? How much could it vary from the present Jewish calendar?

(His Reply) Subject: Re: Pentecost Counted from Passover

If the Jewish calendar misses by one day, throw it out. The days are:

...1997...June 10th Pentecost...(The Jewish Calendar has Wed., June 11.)

...1998...May 31 Pentecost...(The Jewish Calendar has Sun., May 31 too. At least it agrees on the important date. We don't have to worry about this being a problem after all. :=)

...1999...Pentecost June l9th...(The Jewish Calendar has Fri., June 21.)

...2000...Pentecost Day June 7th...(The Jewish Calendar has Fri., June 9.)

You now have the true days, do them.

Incoming E-Mail, Subject: Still Reading
on Your Paper

Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 02:19:10 -0500

Rapture at Pentecost? sounds good as far as Ruth is concerned. It was...(wheat, Ruth 2:23) harvest (Pentecost time): Ruth is a gentile (not of the lineage of Abraham, Isaac, or Jacob) bride; Boaz is a type of Christ here; but what first got me was the two wave loaves (brought "out of your habitations" at Pentecost, Lev. 23:17)...and in short order during the harvest...there is a marriage between Boaz and Ruth. (The nearer kins- man couldn't redeem, for he represents The Law, and the Law can only condemn, it cannot save), and even Ruth herself wants to know why she has found grace with Boaz...

Lot was never called by GOD, but was righteous according to 2 Pet 2:8; Lot never talked to GOD as did Abraham; Lot never built an altar, nor do I find where he ever sacrificed. Lot seems to be a hanger-on, looking out for Lot, and no real relationship with GOD. Apparently, through Abraham's testimony, Lot had to believe in Abraham's GOD. Lot represents many believers today (the Laodiceans). Many believers feel themselves to be Abraham, but in fact are really Lot's wife kind.....always looking back and longing for the good old days. Canaan, where Abraham is represents the promised land, and Lot is still living in the "wilderness", where instead of taking care of GOD's business, he is having to be looked after by GOD. Lot was delivered once, but I read no word of "thank you" to Abraham or GOD for his deliverance, and Lot went right back to his old place....and although saved from the wrath that fell, escaped with only what was on his back....essentially naked. All Lot had was wood, hay and stubble. As for Noah, and the marrying reference, Noah was in the Ark, a type of Christ - the humanity of Christ, even as the acasia wood of the Ark of the Covenant speaks of the humanity of Christ. I had not connected the giving in marriage in the days of Noah with the wedding, but by gingo, I like it!

(My Reply) Subject: Ruth and Boaz

I love learning anything about the Bible, no matter how small, and I have learned a couple of great things from recent incoming e-mail. First, I learned that Pentecost is when God's two witnesses, Moses and Elijah, are energized by the Holy Spirit for their Tribulation ministry. That is perfect since Pentecost in 30 A.D.was when the Holy Spirit descended upon the church. I had all the puzzle pieces and yet never tied this together until I received e-mail saying that "pentecost is the receiving of power BY THE TWO WITNESSESS." That brought it together. Yes! Of course! It all fits! The Tribulation begins on Pentecost, also called the Feast of Weeks, and the two witnesses begin their ministry on that day too.

The other thing I have learned is that Ruth and Boaz were married around Pentecost, thanks to your comments. Here again, I had the puzzle pieces, their marriage and the wheat harvest, and still did not put 2 and 2 together. Jesus will come to get his Bride on Pentecost. The picture is perfect. In the parable of the wheat and tares, Jesus said we are the wheat. Thank you for your input. I would appreciate your keeping me informed of things you see like this. Two heads are better than one.

Incoming E-Mail, Subject: Amazing

Hellooooo...I have enjoyed reading on your paper. I am amazed at some of what I have read...and the logic of the scriptures referred to. I arrived at a similar date, but from different viewpoint from the scriptures you used. I have written on the six raptures of Revelation, as one of the topics in my Web Page....and like you, to jolt believers to see what GOD requires to be caught away in Rapture 1. I address a lot of other things, all leading up to the Rapture many hope to be in, but will miss....because of various reasons. You might care to check out my web page...

I am envious of the 36 years of study you have put in. How much would GOD have taught me had I be saved earlier? But, I am encouraged by the scripture, "To every (thing there is) a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven: A time to be born,....", and GOD in the fullness of time, saved me. I am rather more at peace and joy at my being saved at all, and do thank GOD for HIS choosing me and giving me to HIS in this house in my bedroom, when THE FATHER revealed to me who Lord JESUS is.

I haven't gotten there...your THE RAPTURE IN THE SONG OF SOLOMON, but I will, for I have put your page in my bookmark, and will come back to read it. I memtion it, for I have also used the same as a teaching starting point of the ones to be found in Rapture 1.

(My Reply) Subject: Your "Amazing"

Thanks for that "amazing." That pleased me. I visited your Web Page and liked what you said, especially this part:

"They were not watching. The Lord JESUS warns them that if they fail to watch, HE will come on them as a thief. Now, if they do repent and watch, HE will not come as a thief! But, if HE comes as a thief, they are told that they will not know what hour HE will come upon them. 1 Thessalonians 5: 4. 'But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.'...the watching church (ekklesias) knows something that those not watching are unawares."

That sounds mighty like what I said about Rev. 3:3...You have done some good thinking there. Keep up the good work.

My heartfelt thanks to all who like my Web Site. God's wonderful blessings on you all. May we meet at the assembly in Heaven right after the Rapture.

In Christ,
(Mrs.) Marilyn J. Agee

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