Pro and Con 10

Incoming e-mail, Re: last days

Just thought I drop a line and tell you how great I think your web-page is. My wife read your main page and called the bookstore to order your book. I am a student of prophecy myself and I thought to tell you that I learned alot from you today. I have spent the whole day going back and forth on all your material on the web. I have the Bible on line and I was simply amazed of the continuity in which the scripture flowed in what you were saying. God bless you in helping me to see some things that I would have probably never realized if it wouldn't have been for your intence study habits. God bless you and yours....

Daniel said you are the tree and the dream be to thy enemies. Well Nebby had no enemies He thought he was god. But an angelic event happened and the tree was cut down and he was the tree. But why bind the stump? The stump is the kingdom of Babylon and take note it was bound with Iron and Brass. The two metals that came well after Nebby according to his first dream. The Greecian Empire or in the latter years the King of the North... And the Roman Empire or the EU what ever you want to call them. Both are little horns on the lambs head in chapter 13 of Revelation. And pretty soon the harlot of chapter 17 of Rev. is about to be bound by Iron and Brass. The Iron economically and the Brass politically. This is some of the things that I have been studying. Thank Jesus Christ that we will be able to escape this mess. I try to tell people whats down the road and they just don't seem to care some times I cry some times morn. I feel like Jerimiah.

Keep up the good work and if you have any thought on what I wrote I would be anxious to here it.

My reply

Thanks. I'm so glad you like what I write....

Iron is symbol of Rome, brass of curse. The final Babylon will be connected with both. Harlot of Rev. 17 seems to be Vatican City, but when you realize that all of Revelation is written from the vantage point of the Rapture, when it is "at hand," you get a new picture of the harlot of Rev. 17. In verse 3, John says, "So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness (not Rome, but Babylon in the desert): and I saw a woman sit..." He saw the harlot as she sat down in the desert at Babylon. This is when Vatican City is moved to Babylon. The Harlot is dressed the same in Rev. 17 and 18. Rev. 17 is when the ten kings "have received no kingdom as yet," but will soon after the Rapture takes place. Rev. 18 is when Babylonian harlot is later destroyed on the 2,300th day of the Tribulation.

The first king of Rev. 17:10 is Nimrod of the Tower of Babel, which is the MOTHER of harlots and abominations. The Second is Cyrus of Media-Persia, the third of Alexander of Greece, the fourth of the Caesars of Rome. The one that "is" at the time of the Rapture is the Pope, head of ecclesiastical Rome. The other that is not yet come is the Beast of Rev. 13:4-10. The eighth of Rev. 17:10 is the False Prophet, of Rev. 13:11-18.

Rev. 13:11 says, "I beheld another beast (the False Prophet) coming up out of the earth (Israel); and he had two horns (two comings to power) like a lamb (Christ), and he spake as a dragon (he is Satan possessed; as Satan was in Judas Iscariot, now he is in the False Prophet)."

Incoming e-mail, Pentecost 1998

I have just spent the past 2 hours reading through your web pages, and I am thoroughly astonished. Although I try to remain safely skeptical of interpretations of the bible, I have to admit that you made some fascinating points that make sense. I am a 23 year old female and what some would call a "lukewarm" christian. I absolutely believe that Jesus is the savior, and I pray often; I believe the bible, so on and so forth, but I don't do all that I should. Most of the churches I have attended are boring and I find myself watching the clock most of the time, and I don't read the bible as much as I should. My husband is the same way. However, I do intend to join Jesus in heaven, and I look forward to it with both fear and anticipation, I know that now is the time to make changes....I have a lot of questions that I need answering (I won't bother you with them all, don't worry!) and you seem to be the most knowledgeable person that I have come across. I suppose my biggest fear, assuming that I make the connection with Christ that I need and I am Raptured, is my family and how we will know each other if we are blessed enough to go together. Will I know my two year old son? Will he still be a baby? I fear missing his growing up years, but I know that people say that one changes in their "perceptions" after death. Will I know my husband as my husband, or just another person that I knew fondly in my earthly existance? Will we be together as a family? I look at that unbelievably sweet sleeping face of my baby and don't want to know that we will be seperated, even in Heaven. I realize that you are quite busy and understand if you have better things to do, but your insight would help clear up a great deal of questions and fears. Thanks for taking the time to read this far. Keep up the good work, I will visit your pages often and just might pick up a copy of one of your books! God bless you in your "ministry."

My reply

Thanks for your kind thoughts. Do ask questions. I'll do the best I can to help.

We will not lose any of our senses in the Rapture. You will know more people then than you do now. There is no marriage, but I think we can be with whomever we want to be with. I told my husband, Ed, that I want to be with him forever. The Lord set up families and I can see no reason that he would want to break them up. Two become one. Remember? As for children, I really don't know. The only thing I can think of right now (which isn't much) is a dream I had of Ed's grandmother in Heaven. She was in a kitchen with children all around her. She always loved children and cooking. I think the children will grow up in Heaven.

Older people will be as in the prime of life. The Bible says their flesh will be as firm as a child's. This makes me think there will be children there also. After my mother died, the first night I slept in her house, I awoke in the morning and heard Mother say, "Marilyn, there's no way I'm 84 years old."

I had two other dreams of Heaven. In both of these, I saw a boy that was killed in Viet Nam. He had accepted Christ because of me. In the first dream, he ran up to Ed and I and hugged me, and maybe Ed, I can't remember. In the other one, Ed and I were sitting in a huge room with long tables and picnic benches. We were eating and I looked around to find some salt and saw this boy across the aisle and back a couple of rows. This was the same building we were walking toward the entry of in the first dream. Anyway, Ed and I were together in both dreams. I know dreams are not always to be trusted, but these came when I was learning things about the Bible so fast I could barely keep up. During this time, these were the only dreams I had. There were no ordinary ones.

Incoming e-mail, Re: I agree

Pertaining to your page concerning the Bible's narratives about the destruction of Rahab and the connection between the creation as outlined in Genesis and the impact of a great asteroid with the Earth...I agree; I believe this is the so-called "impact-ejection theory" which has, in recent years, become generally accepted. I wish more people would open there minds to the truth of the Bible.

My reply

Just want to say thanks for telling me this....

I think like you do, that people should take the Bible as truth and build on that. They would get farther. The scientific world wants to reinvent the wheel, i.e., forget what the Bible says and go about trying to find out what has happened on their own. That makes their job harder than it has to be. However, I don't think anyone could convince most of them to accept the Bible as fact. They seem more ready to accept an unproven hypothesis.

Incoming e-mail, Re: Jesus and Isaac

I was recalling some of the parallels of Isaac and Jesus from "Exit 2007" and something occurred to me.

God's clock stopped in 30 AD (483 years after the command to rebuild Jerusalem) and will begin during the last week. If Jesus died when He was 33, then He will be 40 when He is married.

Then I thought "we know the dates", so born Sept 8 - Died April 6 means He was 33 years and 22 + 180 + 6 = 208 days (assuming 360 day year). Add 2300 days of the shortened Tribulation = 2508 days. 7 years is 360*7 = 2520 so 12 days off.

My reply

I certainly appreciate your calling this to my attention. Isaac was 40 when he married, so it makes sense that Jesus would also be counted as 40 at the Marriage of the Lamb. I had not thought about that one before. I learn new things all the time. Two heads are better than one. There is so much in the Bible, we'll never get to the bottom of it in this lifetime.

We should go by the Jewish calendar. Like Jesus, Isaac was also born on Tishri 1. Jesus was 33 1/2 when Crucified in Nisan. Thus the Marriage of the Lamb on Tishri 1 is perfect. 33 1/2 yrs. + 7 yr. Tribulation - 1/2 yr. = 40 yrs.. You hit the nail right square on the head. Thank you, thank you, thank you....

Incoming e-mail, Re: The Lords Day

...As I was reading your comments about the LORDS Day being Sunday, I got a little confused. In Genesis, after six days of creating, YHWH[God]took a day off. In the research that I have done on this subject [including with some ORTHODOX Rabbi's], we have come to the conclusion that YHWH rested and sanctified the SEVENTH day [Saturday] and made it HOLY. It is called Shabbat in the Hebrew, meaning SEVENTH. No, I'm NOT a seventh day adventist, nor Jewish, but I happen to take the Bible literally. So, WE feel thar the LORD'S day is Saturday, as Yeshua[Jesus]IS Jewish, and would have observed Shabbat[Sabbath]beginning on Friday evening, and ending Saturday evening. Please let us know what you think. Thank you

My reply

...The Jewish Sabbath (Heb. shabbath; Gr. sabbata) is, always was, and as far as I can tell, always will be, Saturday. It was to be a sign between God and the Jews. Ezek. 20:12 says, "Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the LORD that sanctify them."

In Genesis, the Lord rested on Saturday. That day is a type of the millennial "sabbatismos" Hebrews 4:4-9 says, "For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works....There remaineth therefore a rest ("sabbatismos") to the people of God. For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

The Saturday Sabbath is not the Lord's Day. The Lord's Day is Sunday, not to be confused with the Day of the Lord, which is the millennial "sabbatismos."

Sunday is the first day of the week, when Jesus was resurrected on the Feast of Unleavened Bread. Those that worship on Sunday cite Acts 20:7, "And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them..."

Paul said, "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ" (Col. 2:16,17). He also said, "One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it" (Rom. 17:5,6).

Incoming e-mail

Thank you so much for pouring your life into your books. They give us new ideas of how to see scripture. They have also sent me to the scriptures many times to "see if these things be so". I believe I've read just about everything you have published, and look forward to reading your next work.

You seem to have a very uncanny way of seeing small bits and pieces of truth in scripture yet when combined into the big picture, give a very different view of what so many of us thought we probably knew. Never the less, it's not so easy to check the scriptures to "see if these things be so". While the scripture references are definitely there, the truth of a matter can still escape me. My prayer is that in time, God will, by the Holy Spirit, cause me to know what the truth is and not wonder or guess.

In your book "The End of the Age", you said that somtimes Jesus spoke as a man and not as God, that He spoke from the viewpoint of a man. I was hoping you could explain a little further, and maybe show me in scripture where that could be so. You give excellent examples and correlations that cannot be ignored. Yet the "day and hour" question remains in my mind because it is mentioned directly at least five times in scripture.

Does this mean I won't be looking forward to pentecost Sunday in 1998? Absolutely not. I'm very excited about that date. I just wish I could be more sure....Thank you again so much for your work.

My reply

Thanks for all your kind words. I especially liked your saying I poured my life into my books because that is the way it feels to me. I spend every minute studying and writing that is possible. I hardly ever get enough sleep. Many things have come clear to me at 3:00 A.M. I then mark the place to begin in the morning and finally tumble into bed....

As for Jesus speaking as man or God, that was a special instance when he said, "But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only." You see, Jesus Christ is the Almighty (Rev. 1:8). He knew, for he made the plans before the world began, but he did not want it known at that time. Therefore, we say that he spoke as a man, not as God. Actually, it goes deeper than that. He phrased his statement very carefully. He said, "no man." Well, he was not just a man. He was a God man, one of a kind. He was actually excluding himself.

"God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself" (II Cor. 5:19). His "name shall be called...The mighty God, The everlasting Father" (Isa 9:6). "Thus saith the LORD (YHWH, Yahweh) the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD (YHWH) of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God" (Isa. 44:6). Jesus said, "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning (Yahweh, Lord of the Old Testament) and the end (Yahshua, Yahweh is Saviour, Lord of the New Testament), the first and the last" (Rev. 22:13).

Also, the word "knoweth" is present tense. It applied to that day only. Jesus did not say no one would ever know.

Incoming e-mail, Re: Thanks

I read your book "The secret of secrets revealed". It was the most informative book that I've ever read. Thank you....

Incoming e-mail

Your Book the "End of the Age" was really an eye opener for me. I remember praying to God to show me things of the future. I don't mean visions, but just to get a general understanding of what the Bible says about the Lord's return. This was before I read your Book. After that I started really studing scripture and things began to make sence. But I did go the wrong paths at first. I read the End of the Age by Pat Robertson. And that really confused me because, I could't believe there was so much division in the Body of Christ over the Rapture. At first I believed in the Pre-Trib then the Post and now the Pre again. But now I know in my heart that this is the true teaching.

I can say though that I understand how people comprehend the Bible for a Post or Mid-trib, because I was there. It is very simple I think to understand it to be a Pre.

I believe if people would answer just one question in there Life as a Christian, I think that that answer would as I said come easy to them too. That Question is whether their salvation is forever or is it only temporary according to how someone lives their Life. Let me explain.

I believe that once you are saved that you can't ever lose your salvation. Now with that question cleared up, we have to understand what the Ten virgins Parable means and the Ten Talents Parable and statements in the Bible made by the Lord Jesus that says to some people "I never knew you". I believe these are the details of the Bible that people get confused about. And I can understand how people start believing in salvation as being conditioned. But rightly dividing the Word should Balance it all out. I find how it all balances out in your Book, which is my main interest in your book.

I also believe this, that God who knows everything, and knew before the foundation of the world that not all people would make it to the first flight out, is preparing for the protection for his saints through the Trib. Some people do not agree with a pre, but don't you think that God will take that situation and turn it for the Good. I mean there are so many Militia's out there. Some are out right crazy and way out of the will of God, but there are some who just believe in a post, and are preparing for the End. Don't you think that they will be part of many ways that God will protect his people who don't make the first flight because they didn't keep their oil can full. Just a thought.

My reply

I am glad my book was an eye-opener for you.....

You mentioned Pat Robertson's book, The End of the Age (published in 1995). When we saw it, we were shocked. Not only was the title the same as my book, The End of the Age (published in 1994) the cover design and colors were similar. We contacted him, but of course, he had never seen my book. However, he pointed out that his was a novel.

I know how you feel about a Mid-Trib Rapture. At one time, I thought others went up with Moses and Elijah. I misunderstood Daniel 12:1-3. Here is the way it looked to me at that time. It says, "AND at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people." Since in Rev. 12:7, Michael is in view in the middle of the Tribulation, I tied these together and thought the rest happened Mid-Trib also. Continuing, it says, "and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time." I had been taught that the time of Jacob's trouble was the last half of the Tribulation, so that seemed to fit right in. Then it says, "and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake..."

Scofield has a note at the bottom of the page saying, "The duration of the 'time of the end' is three and one half years, coinciding with the last half of the seventieth week of Daniel...This 'time of the end' is the 'time of Jacob's trouble'...'a time of trouble such as never was since there was a nation.'" Therefore, I thought a Mid-Trib Rapture seemed right. Habakkuk 3:2 (KJV) said, "O LORD, revive thy work in the midst of the years, in the midst of the years make known; in wrath remember mercy." I thought that fit in too. However, it doesn't sound the same way in the NIV: "LORD, I have heard of your fame; I stand in awe of your deeds, O LORD. Renew them in our day, in our time make them known; in wrath remember mercy." By the 11th verse, "Sun and moon stood still in the heavens." It was talking about one certain day, the 2,300th day of the Tribulation.

Well, no matter how well it all seemed to fit together, The Mid-Trib Rapture interpretation was wrong. First of all, the actual time of Jacob's trouble is one day, not three and one half years. It is the 2,300th day of the Shortened Tribulation, the day the united nation's army of Ezekiel 38 attacks Israel. It is the same day a mountain sized piece of an asteroid hits the Mediterranean Sea and destroys Gaza, Ashkelon and the cities of the seacoast along with all but 1/6th of the invading army. So many die that it takes Israel seven months to bury the dead. The escalating troubles of the last three and one half years are as nothing compared to the terror of terrors on the 2,300th day. The other piece of the asteroid destroys Babylon and hurls such destruction on Egypt that no one will live there for the next 40 years. It is the day of darkness and the day of destruction. The dead will lay around the world. So few men will be left that a child could write the number.

When I remembered that the chapter divisions were not in the original, I read Daniel 11 and 12 together. Then it all came clear. Dan. 11:40 is talking of "the time of the end." The end-time "little horn" "shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished" (v. 36). Verse 45 says, "And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him." This is the end of his reign.

Then chapter 12 goes on to say, "AND at that time (the time of the end) shall Michael stand up...and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book." The Rapture of the Tribulation saints is that same day, but before the asteroid pieces destroy Ashkelon and Babylon at noon on the Feast of Trumpets that begins the Millennium.

We have to really examine Scripture very carefully. A casual reading will not do. One tiny missed point can lead to a mistaken interpretation.

The Rapture of the Tribulation saints takes place between the opening of the sixth seal in Rev. 6:12 and the breaking of the seventh seal in Rev. 8:1. Rev. 6 ends with, "the great day of his wrath is come." In Rev. 7:14, the Tribulation saints are standing before the throne in Heaven. The wrath is poured out after that as the trumpet judgments sound in Rev. 8. The mountain hits the sea in 8:8 and the star falls from heaven in 8:10.

The Bride of Christ is taken to Heaven before the Tribulation begins. We read of it in Rev. 4:1. The Tribulation is "hereafter." It starts in Rev. 6 when the first seal is broken.

I too believe that once saved, always saved. However, the Bride of Christ will be taken to Heaven ahead of the Tribulation saints. It is a prize to be won. The Marriage of the Lamb takes place the same day the Tribulation saints are invited to attend the Marriage Supper of the Lamb. the day of the Judgment Seat of Christ. Rewards are handed to the saved in Heaven at the same time that the just rewards for unbelief are cast on the Earth.

Rev. 11:18 says, "And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth."

I think the angels that sound the judgment trumpets are the angels of the churches. Psalm 149:5-9 hints of this when it says, "Let the saints be joyful in glory: let them sing aloud upon their beds. Let the high praises of God be in their mouth, and a twoedged sword in their hand; To execute vengeance upon the heathen, and punishments upon the people; To bind their kings with chains, and their nobles with fetters of iron: To execute upon them the judgment written: this honour have all his saints. Praise ye the LORD."

I know those who don't keep extra oil in their vessel (body) are in danger of being left behind when the Bride of Christ is chosen. They won't lose their salvation, but they will lose the prize of going in the first Rapture.

Incoming e-mail

Great site! Thanks for a well documented lesson. I love your love for the truth. In these end times it seems knowledge is being poured out as the bible has predicted....

My heartfelt thanks to all who like my Web Site. God's wonderful blessings on you all. May we meet at the assembly in Heaven right after the Rapture.

In Christ,
Marilyn
(Mrs.) Marilyn J. Agee


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