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I do have one question. Revelation 2000, page 373: Who/What do you think the whore is?

My reply

I think the whore is World Religion headed up by the TRIBULATION Pope during the first half of the Seventieth Week of Daniel, then by the False Prophet from Mid-Trib on, who will probably also be called VICARIUS FILEI DEUS. IT ADDS UP TO 666 and "he exerciseth ALL the power of the first beast (Rev. 13:12).

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I still have a hard time restricting God to the Planet Saturn. I feel GOD is outside the Space Time Continuim. One day, hopefully very soon we will find out. The special theory and general theory of relativity is something that I've been interested in for years. I taught Physics aksi, before going full time into teaching Computer Science. If spirit beings ie. GOD, Angels are massless then they would be able to move instantly to any point in the Universe since they are outside Time. Yesterday, today, tomorrow are not relevent because there is no time. Because we have a rest mass, we are restricted in our speed and have the concept of time. As we go faster and faster compared to another object we become more massive. It takes a larger and larger force to accelerate . To reach the speed of light would take an infinite force. I was reading all this kind of stuff years ago before I meet Jesus. In fact it was some of the things that made me start thinking about God.

Another thing I have a hard time with is how you a few months ago dismissed speaking in tongues.

Paul said to pray with both the understanding (mind) and with the Spirit (tongues). Have you not ever been praying and your inner spirit was trying to speak and your had like groanings. This itself is parayimg in

I really love your site and do respect all your knowledge about the latter days, Jewish Holy Days etc. I really hope you are right about May 31. Although I enjoy my life now it will be much much better to be with Jesus. I still go to your site daily looking for the latest PRO and CON.

My reply

> I still have a hard time restricting God to the Planet Saturn.

There is more to it than Saturn. God cannot be restricted to Saturn. The whole Universe cannot contain him. In Him we live and move and have our being.

Saturn seems to be Jesus' throne. Even there, we will see God in the face of Jesus. Rev. 22:3 says, "the throne (one throne) of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him (one person, Jesus, both God and man): And they shall see his face (one face); and his name (one name) shall be in their foreheads."

> Paul said to pray with both the understanding (mind) and with the Spirit (tongues).

Paul said that before the "perfect" scriptures were complete. "And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity (agape love)" (I Cor. 13:10,13). I left it up to God, if he wanted me to speak in tongues, that was ok with me, if he didn't, that was ok with me too. I have not, yet he filled me with his Spirit and the feeling that accompanied it was intense. He uses the tongues phenomenon when He wants to.

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Yes, By the third week of May(28th-29th), Venus and Saturn become the principal players in this morning drama. Venus is moving ever closer to Saturn, and by May 28 the twosome is separated by less than half a degree. Venus shines at a dazzling magnitude -3.9 while Saturn glows at a respectable magnitude 0.6. This is one of the finer conjunctions of the year, a stunning line-up of two planets that in reality are quite far apart.

It is also interesting to note, that the next occurrance of this will be: The next Venus/Saturn conjunction to be visible occurs on the morning of July 15, 2001.

This data from Astronomy magazine.

I also noticed that the label given to Venus by the Astromomy world is "The Morning Star", which of course confused me, and further stated Venus was our sister planet. When I was reading your book Heaven Found, my first thought was Venus, but as the book continued finding Saturn as such... Maybe I am just confusing science terminology, with that of our Bible terminology. Can you see my confusion?

Regards, and God Bless you... and I love your work, and have my sites on 31 May also.

My reply

Thanks for this information.

Any planet seen in the sky from midnight to dawn is a morning star. Saturn is a morning star about 5 months, an evening star about 5 months, and the rest of the time, we cannot see it as it swings around the other side of the sun.

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From: Abraham Forum: Re: What Law (RUSSELL RANKIN)

Nancy, I believe you understand me correctly. The law YHVH required of Abraham is the same righteous living that YHVH required of the people of Ytsrael 400+ years later [cf., Romans 1:17]. Yet YHVH's law through Moses was different than YHVH's law to Abraham. Some requirements were the same [i.e., do not kill, do not bear false witness] because YHVH Himself does not change. Some requirements were different [i.e., no work on the seventh day, the feast of unleavened bread] because YHVH "added" the law through Moses until Mishiach came.

Moses said to Ystrael, "YHVH your G-d will raise up unto you a Prophet from among you, of your brethren, like unto me; UNTO HIM SHALL YOU HEARKEN" [Deuteronomy 18:15ff]. The writer to Hebrew Christians concluded, "For the priesthood being changed, there is of necessity a change also of law....In that he says, 'A new covenant' HE has made the first old. Now that which decays and waxes old is ready to vanish away" [Hebrews 7:12; 8:13]. And Paul concluded, Wherefore, the law [of Moses] was our instructor unto Mishiach, that we might be justified by faith [like Abraham]. But after that faith is come we are no longer under an instructor....If you be Mishiach's, then are you Abraham's descendant, and heirs according to the promise" [Galatians 3:24-29].

My understanding is that we need only to hear and do the words of Mishiach Yeshua [Matthew 7:24-25]. Yeshua has implemented the New Covenant, becoming "the mediator of the new covenant, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressors under the first covenant, that they which are called might receive the promise of eternal redemption. That new covenant will be completed when Yeshua returns and restores Ystrael to their land and to YHVH their G-d. In that day, all Ystrael will hearken to Mishiach Yeshua and know YHVH their G-d [Romans 11:26-27; Jeremiah 30-31].

In hope, Russ

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(Some of this may be a repeat, but hopefully not all.)
There is something different going on in the field just outside our tract where they are to build a park. They planted wheat (first time since we've been here, maybe 3 years; it was just weeds before). Then they cut the outside row (reminded me of the offering at Firstfruits). It is just about ripe for harvest (Pentecost?). Then Sat., May 9, Ed and I saw a flock of sheep, their shepherd and dog (we have never seen sheep anywhere near here before). I told son David and his kids that we saw them. Dave said that the same day, he and the kids found that they have built a sheepfold for them in the field. The Lord is our shepherd and we are his sheep. We are also wheat. Strange that these would appear very near us now. I think we are the 4th house from the field. It is in sight of the house.

I was telling someone of this on the phone May 13 when my son, David, walked in behind me and said, "They're gone." I turned around (as John did when Christ spoke, Rev. 1:12) to confirm it and he said, "They are all gone. Even the fences are gone." We are the sheep and soon we will be gone. It all fits so well, we are just amazed. Went to look. The sheep ate every scrap of green stuff. The sheepfold is nothing now but bare ground.

We also got snow in our southern California mountains May 13. Twelve inches at Running Springs and 6" elsewhere was expected when it started. The next day so much had fallen, they were thinking about reopening a ski lift that had closed at Mt. Baldy. I just realized as I looked at my notes last night (May 16) that May 13 is mighty like May 31. Proverbs 25:13 mentions "the cold of snow in the time (yowm, time, season, day) of harvest." That verse address even has 5 13 in it. Interesting.

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I like your page... I just have one question.., Is there anything saying how all the world would react to lots of people missing one day? I just think its an interesting thought. What do you think will happen? Also, I try to tell people of this information (They don't have net access, and if they did...) they call me wierd or other things.. Some are christians.. some are not.. any suggestions on getting them to take it more seriously.

Thanks for having this page on the net!

My reply

Scripture tells us there will weeping and gnashing of teeth (Mt. 24:51; Luke 12:46).
Psalm 40:1-3 says, "I WAITED patiently for the LORD; and he inclined (bent down) unto me, and heard my cry. He brought me up also out of an horrible pit (as Jeremiah was taken up out of a pit), out of the miry clay (our bodies of clay), and set my feet upon a rock (Heaven), and established by goings. And the hath put a new song (sung after the Rapture in Revelation 5:9) in my mouth, even praise unto our God: MANY SHALL SEE IT, and fear, and shall trust in the LORD."

I feel sorry for the problems it will create for the banks. As I understand it, our laws don't consider someone that disappears dead for seven years. Sounds like wills could not be very effective.

> any suggestions on getting them to take it more seriously.

What is coming is so awful it boggles the mind. Civilization as we know it will be destroyed. Every wall will fall (Ezek. 38:20). Dan. 12:1 says that when the False Prophet comes to his end, it is a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time. Two pieces of an asteroid will impact Earth. The "great mountain burning with fire" of Rev. 8:8 will impact in the Mediterranean Sea. The "great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp" of Rev. 8:10 will destroy Babylon on the Euphrates River. Egypt will be uninhabitable for the next 40 years.

They might want to pay attention to this: Luke 21:36 says, "Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be ACCOUNTED WORTHY to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man."

Jesus has given us a way of escaping these terrible things. We would be fools not to accept him and make ourselves ready so that we could be chosen as part of the Bride of Christ to be taken to Heaven in the Pre-Trib Rapture. People have nothing to lose and everything to gain. What is holding some back?

Visit this Web site: http://www.turningpointranch.org. Mary Ames has a good booklet, "Don't blame me if you go to hell," written from a scientific point of view.

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Jim Bramlett wrote: Awesome vision described below. Let us be hopeful that it is confirmation. Jim

> >Subject: [Fwd: A Vision]
> >From: dwheeler@pacbell.net
> >Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 22:06:29 -0700

> >Hi John and Everyone,
> >
> >I want to share a small vision with you that I had last week. I had just
> >awoken and was about to read some scripture when I felt compelled to ask
> >the Lord for a vision on the rapture. I sat there with my eyes closed
> >and waited for something to happen. Just as I was about to give up, I
> >felt a strong presence of the Lord in my room and an image came into my
> >mind. I saw a large generic city and I was looking down on it. To my
> >right I saw a huge dragon rise up out of the city, and simultaneously
> >saw many people rising upward like raindrops in reverse. As I watched
> >the dragon, I asked the Lord if it represented the antichrist, and He
> >said, "No, it is Satan and he is preparing for his final time on earth".
> >I looked up again to see where all of the people were going and could
> >see a beautiful cloud laced with pure gold where Jesus waited for His
> >children. I then found myself starting to flow upward also, so I quickly
> >asked the Lord when this all my happen. He then flashed May 31st in
> >black and white before me. That was the end of the vision. I don't know
> >if this will definitely happen in the way that I saw it (I am excitedly
> >cautious), but I have been feeling a general detachment to this world
> >since then. Every time that I start to worry about something or get
> >upset, an inner voice reminds me that none of these things matter
> >because I am only here for a limited amount of time. And I also feel
> >great sorrow when I think about all of the people who will not be caught
> >up in the rapture. It feels like I am being prepared for something BIG!
> >Let's hope and pray that that something is soon!
> >
> >Thanks for listening,
> >Jeff

My reply

Jim, Thanks for sending this to me. I go by Scripture and don't put a lot of stock in visions, but I just may have gotten something out of this one, and I don't mean the May 31 confirmation, though that is nice. Here is what caught my eye:

> >To my right I saw a huge dragon rise up out of the city, and simultaneously
> >saw many people rising upward like raindrops in reverse. As I watched
> >the dragon, I asked the Lord if it represented the antichrist, and He
> >said, "No, it is Satan and he is preparing for his final time on earth".

Revelation is written as if the Rapture is "at hand." Rev. 17:8 says of the scarlet coloured beast, Satan, "The beast that thou sawest was, and IS NOT (right when the Rapture is "at hand"); and shall (as the Rapture takes place?) ascend out of the bottomless pit."

Food for thought.

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HEAVENO MARILYN (I prefer the SALUTATION of DESTINATION, myself!) haha!

Yes, I am quite familiar with REV. 3:3, and also believe it refers to those living during the END of the TRIBULATION. Tho, I wonder HOW anyone will survive through such a horrible seven years! DO you know D. A.(Dorothy) Miller who wrote FORBIDDEN KNOWLEDGE? SHE lives in HEMET! She is a very interesting lady and had some good points in her book also! I have met and talked with her and spent one day in her TRAILER HOME sharing so many good things! She lives very close to the JEREMIAH FILMS Ministry....they are above her on a hill!

ALSO, I meant to ask why you believe the two WITNESSES are MOSES and Elijah, since ENOCH is the other one who HAD NOT DIED, but was TAKEN! I do know there is a lot of controversy over this, but I am always interested in how one comes about this! IS it because the JEWS will RECOGNIZE MOSES, but NOT Enoch?

How long have you been studying PROPHECY? HAVE you always been a PRE-TRIB?? Why do you think a number of Christians, once aligned in "our camp," [sorta speak], have gone into these "OTHER CAMPS...Mid, Post, PRE-wrath, Amil.?" I know the devil has been deceiving men from the beginning of time, but WHAT do you suppose they are attracted to.....Martyrdom???

WHO have you studied with OR under....OR who might you LINE UP with in your research? MY DAUGHTER went to BIOLA UNIV. and minored in BIBLE, and loved JOHN WALVOORD as one....but there are many! SHE majored in ENGLISH and would like to write someday. SHE is...excited about the LORD's CALLING US soon to "COME UP, HITHER!!" Me TOO!...

MAY I ASK what you will be doing on SUNDAY, MAY l, and will that be OUR time or ISRAEL's......???...

I like your picture...you are right, YOU do NOT look your age!!!

My reply

> Yes, I am quite familiar with REV. 3:3, and also believe it refers to those
> living during the END of the TRIBULATION.

Revelation is written as if the Rapture is at hand. It is "at hand" in 1:3 and 22:10. Jesus signs off with "Surely I come quickly." Rev. 3:3 is before the Rapture in 4:1. The prophecies from that point on are "hereafter" the Rapture.

> DO you know D. A.(Dorothy) Miller who wrote FORBIDDEN KNOWLEDGE?

I have her book. I wrote to her, but she did not reply.

> ALSO, I meant to ask why you believe the two WITNESSES are MOSES and Elijah,
> since ENOCH is the other one who HAD NOT DIED, but was TAKEN!

Rev. 11:4 says, "These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth." Zech. 4:14 says, "These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth." Moses and Elijah stood by Jesus at the Transfiguration. In Rev. 11, they have the same powers they had before. They are associated with the temple and Jerusalem. Enoch was a Gentile.

> How long have you been studying PROPHECY? HAVE you always been a PRE-TRIB??

Since before 1960, maybe 1957. Yes, I saw right away that there was a Pre-Trib Rapture.

> WHO have you studied with OR under....OR who might you LINE UP with in your
> research? MY DAUGHTER went to BIOLA UNIV.

I lived close to BIOLA in La Mirada, CA. Got started as a friend and I listened to Bob Thieme's tapes. I also ordered his booklets. I heard him in person a few times too. After exhausting another friend's sizeable library and the Bethany Baptist Church library, I got my library card, #043, at BIOLA library. Studied on my own, checking out about an 18" stack of books from the Seminary Collection every week for seven years. What I have learned does not "LINE UP" exactly with anyone, only in parts.

> MAY I ASK what you will be doing on SUNDAY, MAY l, and will that be OUR time
> or ISRAEL's

I don't know what I will be doing Sunday, May 31. Since I think the Rapture will happen all at once worldwide at midnight Jerusalem time. That would be in the afternoon on May 30 here. I might be greeting loved ones in Heaven. On Saturday, May 30, I may still be answering email. There is so much in my Inbox, Netscape won't even tell me how many are there. Over 99, it quits printing a tally.

> YOU do NOT look your age

Thanks. In spite of aches and pains, I try to stay active. Rode my bike with my grandson yesterday. We exercise at the gym and walk the malls. That counteracts all the time I sit at this computer (Note: and strengthens my back muscles so it will stay in place).

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The moon revolves around the Earth at the same time it rotates once on its axis. That means the same side is always toward us. Actually we can see a little over 1/2 since it's orbit is ellipitical and not circular.

Also, you said that when that which is perfect has come Prophecy etc would be done away with. Knowing the History of the Bible, and not belittling the Bible, I really can't buy that idea. What are some other candidates for "That which is perfect comes"?

I feel that it is Jesus and his heavenly Kingdom.

My reply

Right about the moon. Now we know why it rotates that way. There is a large mass of iron on the side facing us that is attracted by our gravity.

Perfect refers to the completion of the scriptures. It cannot be the Second Advent, for "afterward (after "I am in the midst of Israel")...I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy" (Joel 2:28).

Time is short. Be READY for the Rapture. We need to be pure in His sight, wearing white wedding garments. We should confess our known sins and forgive others that have sinned against us. Can we do this quickly? I think we can. Revelation is written from the vantage point of when the Rapture is "at hand" (1:3; 22:10), yet Jesus repeatedly tells the churches to repent. You just can't wait until you hear the trump of God. Then, it will be too late to buy the necessary oil of the Holy Spirit.

Tell others to have a look at my Web site and see what they think.

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I believe Langford is right about the Rapture happening at 9:00 a.m.. We were told in the gospels that Christ died at 3:00 p.m.. Why did we need to know that? Because God wanted us to know Jesus died at the same hour the Passover Lamb was killed - 3:00 p.m.

The Church was born on Pentecost when the Holy Spirit was given at 9:00 a.m. This was a definite time, as was the death of Christ, of an actual event. The bridegroom and the virgins is not an actual event.

I believe the church will be raptured on the exact hour of its birth in the country of its birth.

May 31, 9:00 a.m. Israeli time.
May 31, 2:00 a.m. East Coast
May 31, 1:00 a.m. Central Time
May 30, 11:00 p.m. West Coast
Both countries are now on daylight saving time - move all times back one hour for God's real time.
May 31, 8:00 a.m. Israel
May 31, 1:00 a.m.East Coast
May 30, midnight Central Time
May 30, 10:00 p.m. West Coast

Jack Langford's work is superior as is yours. It makes total sense that the end of the Church age would parallel the timing of the end of the Law Age.

The e-mail to you regarding the Jewish people staying up all night studying the Torah and at daybreak reading the ten commandments: I found out a couple of days ago that the Feast of Pentecost was not originally a feast that celebrated the giving of the law to Israel. Originally Pentecost was not connected to any happening related to Israel. It was many years later that the giving of the law was attached to the Feast of Pentecost, so it seems to me that this feast may have been set aside for the birth of the Church. It seems fitting, however, for the Jewish people to celebrate the Torah in the night and the reading of the Ten Commandments at daybreak. The question is, what time of the morning was the story of Ruth read? That seems to me to be a transition point - from the celebration of The Law Age to the Age of Grace.

Now about when the Holy Spirit descended on Pentecost. The "crowd came together" because they heard the noise of the apostles. It seems more logical to me that there would be a crowd in the street at 9:00 a.m. rather than 6:00 a.m. The crowd comes in and asks if the men are drunk. Peter says they are not drunk because it is only 9:00 in the morning. The beginning of the chapter, "When the day of Pentecost had come, they were altogether in one place," doesn't give a specific hour. It tells us this event happened on the day of Pentecost. If 6:00 a.m. had been the hour for us to know I believe it would have read, "When the day of Pentecost had come, on the first hour of the day, they were altogether..." The hour of the day specified is "the third hour" (9:00 a.m.). Remember that every word in the Bible is important. If 9:00 was not important Peter might have said, "It is too early in the day for them to be drunk." We were supposed to know that at or around 9:00 a.m. the Holy Spirit descended, there was great noise, the crowd heard it and came in. I believe the hour given is important as is the hour given when Christ died, that hour being the hour the Passover lamb was killed. We won't know for positive until it happens but I vote for 9:00 a.m.

...I seldom remember my dreams except I remember the one I had last night. I was in the field you wrote me about. I needed to find your house. I looked across the field and saw 4 houses. Three were made of wood painted a light color. The 4th house was dark red brick. I knew that must be your house. When I got to the edge of the field you saw me and we rushed toward each other. The dream ended as we met. This may mean nothing but strange things are happening.

My state, Texas, and others are covered with smoke. It was so bad in Houston the buildigs couldn't be seen. CNN said this has not happened in 50 years. Weather people say it will go all the way to Canada. I am finding it more difficult to stay attached to mundane daily living activities. There is an incredible desire to be about the Lord's work.

My reply

Thanks for your input on the time of the Rapture. We need to consider all things that could have a bearing on it.

Myself, I look at it this way: The disciples were in a "house." when "the day of Pentecost was fully come." They were "filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues." Then "when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together." Such a great crowd surely gathered in the street, not in the upper room. Peter and the eleven must have walked down the stairs and out the door of the house. As Peter spoke to the multitude who were amazed that "every man heard them speak in his own language," it was then 9:00 AM. All that could not happen in one instant of time.

Then Peter told them that "this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel." Let's see what Joel said, "And ye shall know that I am in the midst of Israel...And it shall come to pass AFTERWARD, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh..." (Joel 2:27,28). I still think midnight makes sense because this outpouring of the Spirit is after he is in the midst of Israel.

All the houses in our tract are stucco. The colors are similar, as if the painters started with white and poured in some of the tile roof color. Each house only varies in how much of the tint was added. I imagine a lot of us will be running toward each other and hugging. I had a dream of a boy, killed in Viet Nam, that had accepted Christ because of me, running to hug me as Ed and I walked toward a doorway of a huge building in Heaven just after arriving. What a joyous day that will be. See you there.

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