Pro and Con 1003

Posted 2-24-03

Incoming email, Re: It doesn't matter to the rest of us which day of the week Jesus died

I have watched this website and continue to watch this website as part of "look up" for my redeemer draweth nigh. There is so little time to tell the whole world the way of salvation. Rich Pope will probably never be completely satisfied nor convinced nor converted. We are not bound to take more time with him. It is time to brush the dust off your feet and keep moving in your publishing mission as the days remaining are few. I, too, will continue to pray for Rich , as should we all, but there are other fields ready for planting.

My reply

I just try to trust the Lord to help me say what he wants said to whom he wants it said. If I feel an inclination to answer Rich, I do. If I don't feel it, I don't. The Lord knows hearts better than we do.

The day Jesus died matters to some. What would you rather study? Agape

Incoming email, Re: You need to read this, from Rich Pope

Marilyn, I was looking on the Internet for different pictures of Jesus. Some were the standard brown hair, blue eyes, European looking type. But then I found one that was taken from the Shroud of Turin. It pierced me. I covered everthing up except his eyes and I felt them look straight through me. It was really uncomfortable. I'm scared Marilyn. With all that's going on in the world and all the horrible things I've said about Jesus, I'm really worried. I'm worried about dying in my sins. Rich Pope

My reply

I'd worry too. Man only gets a chance while he is alive. Heb. 9:27 (Hebraic-Roots Version) says, "it is appointed to the sons of men that they die ONCE and after their death [is] judgment."

I think Jesus had black hair. Rembrandt got it right. He painted his picture, Head of Christ, about 1650. When he lived on the edge of the Jewish quarter in Amsterdam, he painted portraits of some of the leading Jewish people. He was familiar with both the Sephardim and Ashkenazim that lived there. Rembrandt is thought to be the first to derive his Christ portrait from a study of the Jews around him. His portrait looks very like the face of Yeshua on the Shroud of Turin.

On the Shroud, they have found the word NAZARETH next to one leg. The sign that he was King of the Jews was evidently placed by his leg before he was covered by the Shroud.

Our Redeemer, YHWH of hosts (Isa. 44:6) is described symbolically in Song of Solomon. Solomon is the type of Christ because both were wise and sons of David. Song 5:9-12 (CJB) says, "How does the man you love differ from any other, that you should give us this charge? The man I love is radiant and ruddy; he stands out among ten thousand. His head is like (symbolic language) the finest gold (symbol of deity); HIS LOCKS ARE WAVY AND BLACK AS A RAVEN."

Song 5:10,11 (KJV) says, "My beloved is white and ruddy, the chiefest among ten thousand. His head is as the most fine gold (deity, for he is the Son of God), HIS LOCKS ARE BUSHY, AND BLACK AS A RAVEN."

Song 5:9,10 (Stone Ed.) says, "My Beloved is pure and purifies sin, and is ruddy with vengeance to punish betrayers, surrounded with myriad angels. His opening words were finest gold, His crowns hold mounds of statutes written in raven-black flame."

To get the full sense of what is written here in the Stone Edition, we have to read the notes. "5:11. His opening words were finest gold [lit., HIS HEAD IS FINEST GOLD]. When He gave us the Ten Commandments, His words were like fine gold. --- His crowns hold mounds of statutes [lit., HIS LOCKS ARE WAVY]. From every one of the scribal crowns that adorn the tops of many letters in the Torah script, mounds and mounds of laws can be derived (Eruvin 21b). --- written in raven-black flame [lit., BLACK AS THE RAVEN]. In Heaven, the Torah is written in black fire upon white fire." Why was the translator afraid to translate Song 5:11 literally?

As YHWH king of Israel, He truly was the one that gave us the Ten Commandments. Isa. 48:16,17 (Stone) says, "Approach me, hear this: I did not speak in secrecy at first; from the time [the decree] was issued I was there. And now, My Lord, HASHEM/ELOHIM, has sent me (the Son of God) with His spirit (Spirit of God, Spirit of Christ, Spirit of Messiah, Holy Spirit). Thus said HASHEM, your Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel. I am HASHEM, your God, Who instructs you for [your] benefit, Who guides you in the way you should follow. If you had hearkened to MY COMMANDMENTS, your peace would [flow] like a river and your righteousness like the waves of the sea."

Rom. 8:9-11 (HRV) says, "Now you are not in the flesh but in the spirit, if truly the spirit of Eloah (God) dwells in you. But if a man does not have THE SPIRIT OF THE MESSIAH (i.e., the Spirit of God) IN HIM, this one is not his. But if the Messiah [is] in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the spirit is alive because of righteousness. And if the spirit of that one who raised our ADON YESHUA THE MESSIAH from among the dead dwells in you, that one who raised Yeshua the Messiah from among the dead also will make alive your dead bodies because of HIS SPIRIT THAT DWELLS IN YOU."

Rom. 10:1-13 (HRV) says, "My brothers, the desire of my heart and my request to Eloah for them [is] THAT THEY ARE SAVED....AND IF YOU CONFESS WITH YOUR MOUTH OUR ADON YESHUA, AND YOU BELIEVE IN YOUR HEART THAT ELOAH RAISED HIM FROM THE DEAD, YOU WILL HAVE LIFE. For the heart that believes in him is made righteousness, and the mouth that confesses him has life."

When a person accepts Yeshua, Yeshua will immediately baptize him with the Spirit of Yeshua, which is the Spirit of God. At that point the believer is counted as a pure virgin, because every sin he has ever committed has been washed away. He gets a fresh start.

If he sins after he is born into God's family, he must go by I John 1:9, confess his sins to God, so God can cleanse him from all unrighteousness. Instead of sacrificing a lamb for his sin, Yeshua sacrificed his own body. Once for all, his sinless body bore the sins of all mankind when he was sacrificed as our Passover. He took sin out of the way as an issue in salvation. The question now is, "How seems it to you concerning the Messiah? Whose son is he?" (Mt. 22:42, HRV).

Mt. 22:42-44 continues, "And they said to him, "He is the Son of David." But he (Yeshua) said to them, "And how then says David, by the Ruach KaKodesh call him "My Adon", saying, YHWH said to my Adon, Sit you on my right hand, until I make your enemies the footstool of your feet'? If David then calls him 'My Adon', how is he his son?"

If we didn't get it before, Yeshua answered that in the last chapter of His Word. In Rev. 22:13,16 (HRV) Yeshua said, "I am Alef and I am Tav, the first and the last and the beginning (YHWH king of Israel) and the end (YHWH of hosts, the Redeemer, Isa. 44:6)....I am [of] the root (YHWH king of Israel) AND the tribe of David" (after the flesh).

John 1:1-4,14 (HRV) says, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with Eloah, and ELOAH WAS THE WORD. This was in the beginning with Eloah. Everything existed through him, and without him not even one thing existed of that which existed. In him was life, and the life was the light of men....And THE WORD BECAME FLESH and dwelt with us and we saw his glory, as the glory of the only begotten (Son) who is from the father (Eloah), who is full of grace and truth."

"For all of us will stand before the bema (Judgement Seat) of the Messiah, which each man might be rewarded [for] what was done by him in his body, whether good or evil...For ELOAH WAS IN THE MESSIAH who reconciled the world with his majesty and did not reckon to them their sins. And he placed in us, ourselves, the word of reconciliation" (II Cor. 5:10,19). Verse 19 in the KJV simply says, "God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself."

Yahshua means Yah, a short name for God (Yahweh) and shuah (salvation). Abbreviated, it becomes Y'shua, or Yeshua, who is the kinsman Redeemer of all mankind.

We either believe in Yeshua, or we don't. That is our test, will we or won't we. Shalom and agape

PS: Here is Rembrandt's "Head of Christ."

PPS: Here is a picture painted while looking at the Shroud of Turin image.


by Barbara Richmond

The Kinneret rose 45 centimeters over the weekend due to the heavy rainfall in the north....Interestingly, it has not rained like this in 12 years - it is 12 years since the Oslo Accords were signed, noted one of our subscribers. Hmmmmm.

MJA: 1993 + 10 = 2003

Incoming email, Re: "TRIBULATION STARTS MARCH 6, 2004" see blue calendar

Click here: Understanding the 70th Week

Marilyn, there is a nice mention of you at this web-site, but I think the writer is not Pre-Trib Rapture Believer.

Scroll down on page and find that blue calendar, it has a blocked date for The Abomination/Tribulation to commence on March 6, 2004.

This might be a good one to print out and red pencil! My best to you!

My reply

Re: The Announcement of Jacob's Trouble
by Avimelech
> > The saints are going to go through the Tribulation as the rapture is not until the Last Trumpet, Tishri 1, 6008.

If that were true, the saints would have to be on Earth when the asteroids of Rev. 8,10 impact Earth. I don't believe that for a minute. When the 1st trumpet sounds, "the third part of trees" will be burned up, and "all green grass was burned up." The mountain-sized asteroid will hit the Mediterranean Sea when the 2nd trumpet sounds. The larger aster will destroy Babylon, Iraq when the 3rd trumpet sounds. The Sun, Moon and stars will be darkened when the 4th trumpet sounds. The bottomless pit will be opened when the 5th trumpet sounds. The Lake of Fire will form. Following that, men will desire to die, but will be tormented by demons 5 months.

Would Christ put his saints through that, and more too? No. He is our Saviour. The 7 trumpet judgments are poured out in the Day of God's Wrath. Every wall will fall in the worldwide earthquake (Eze. 38:20). The globe will be turned upside down (Isa. 24:1). The dead will lay around the world. 1Th 5:9 says, "For God hath NOT APPOINTED US TO WRATH, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ."

In Luke 21:34-36, He said, "take heed to YOURSELVES (believers), lest at any time YOUR hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon YOU unawares. For as a snare shall it come on all THEM (unbelievers) that dwell on the face of the whole earth. Watch ye therefore, and PRAY ALWAYS, THAT YE MAY BE ACCOUNTED WORTHY TO ESCAPE (ekpheugo, to flee out, escape; i.e., in the Pre-Trib Rapture) ALL THESE THINGS that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man." We will stand before Christ at the Rapture. Why pray, if it isn't going to do any good? God doesn't play around with us that way. He means what he says.

Rev 11:18 shows that the saints are in Heaven getting their rewards while the unbelievers on Earth are getting their just deserts for their unbelief. It says, "And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth."

I sure hope the Rapture and the beginning of the Tribulation is before Mar. 6, 2004. The way things are going, it can't be too long. We should be gone before the False Prophet is revealed. Agape


80% of Shuttle Experiments Reached Earth. More than 80% of the results of the Israeli experiments conducted aboard the shuttle Columbia were relayed to Earth prior to the spacecraft's disintegration. A report from Tel Aviv University shows a large portion of the findings were relayed to the ground. Experiments yielded a number of important scientific results, including rare photographs of lightning formed at high altitudes and of dust movement in the Middle East region. Furthermore, photographs taken by Israeli astronaut Ilan Ramon provide initial proof that dust inhibits the development of clouds. "The results of our experiments in space far exceed our expectations. When I informed Rona Ramon and Ilan's father of the results of the experiments, they were very excited and saw it as an achievement." The main Israeli experiment conducted by the Columbia crew was known as MEIDEX (Mediterranean Israeli Dust Experiment). It was designed to study dust particles in the area of the Mediterranean. Studies carried out until now have shown that the dust carries germs and viruses between continents and also has an effect on rain clouds. In the second week of Columbia's mission, fierce storms raged over the Atlantic Ocean and, on nine orbits, the astronauts photographed and recorded dust plumes moving westward from Africa. "Thanks to the data received, we will be able to conduct a serious study on the characteristics of the dust." Particularly significant findings came from photographs taken by Ramon above the jungles of Brazil. The photographs show huge concentrations of dust stemming from controlled fires in the Amazon area and the researchers have concluded that the dust prevents rain clouds from reaching the area of the fires. Another experiment conducted by means of the MEIDEX camera yielded unique photographs of lightning storms. The Columbia crew was asked to document "sprites" - an electromagnetic phenomenon that occurs at high altitudes. "I hoped we'd manage to get just one picture of a sprite," said Dr. Yoav Yair of the Open University yesterday. "But we have managed to document 11."

Incoming email, Re: Fw: "Couldn't you WATCH One Hour? From: David Parker"

In the garden of Gethsemane, Jesus asked this question to His disciples, " Couldn't you watch ONE HOUR?"

Jesus' formal ministry was probably 3 1/2 years long. The crucifixion date was probably either 32 or 33 A.D.

Yet, in Luke's gospel we have another "starting." It was when Jesus was 12 years old. We all know the story. When His parents came and found Him, He answered, " Didn't you know that I must be about my Father's Business?"

This even is dated as Jesus being age 12 and at the Passover.

Luke 2:41 "And his parents went every year to Jerusalem at the Feast of the Passover. And when He was 12 years old they went up………."

Now if Jesus was age 33 1/2 when He was crucified and age 12 1/2 at this Passover, when He STARTED His Father's "business", then that is a duration of 21 years. Therefore you could say Jesus' "work day", the time He was about His Father's business, was 21 years.

Secondly, Jesus said this, " I must work the works of Him that sent me while it is DAY, the night comes when no man can work."

Third. Jesus said "Are there not 12 hours in a day?"

Therefore, putting these concepts together you arrive at this:

Jesus went about His Father's business for 21 years……the time of Jesus' work day.

Since Jesus said there are 12 hours in a day, then we can easily calculate how many years/months are in just one hour.

21 years x 12 months per year is 252 months. So 21 years is 252 months….for Jesus' "work day."

To get what one hour is, we divide 252 months by 12, since Jesus said He only worked during the day…of which He said there were 12 hours….in a day.

252 months divided by 12 is 21 months for one hour.

According to these concepts ONE HOUR IS 21 MONTHS. Do you see that?

What is the significance of this?

In the garden of Gethsemane Jesus admonished the disciples, asking them "Couldn't you WATCH with me ONE HOUR?"

He EXPECTED them to be able to do that, even adding, "Watch that you don't enter into trials (same word used for Tribulation.)

What IF?

What if the "sound of the bridegroom" coming was 9/11 as in 9/11/2001 when the Twin Towers fell?

What if that was the sign to get ready because the bridegroom and the tribulation is coming?

If we go forward 21 months………a watch of 1 HOUR, then we arrive at the early part of the month of June 2003. Guess what, Pentecost is On JUNE 8th, 2003, 21 months within hours of 9/11/01 !! A WATCH of 1 HOUR!

God expects us to be able to WATCH FOR ONE HOUR. That period of time seems to be 21 months.

That 21 months is over on this coming Pentecost. It is almost and might be exact depending on how you count it. It is within 3 days of being on the same day of the month….the 11th vs. the 8th.

21 months. ONE HOUR.

"And what I say unto you, I say unto all, WATCH." dp

My reply

> > The crucifixion date was probably either 32 or 33 A.D.

Have you considered that since the temple renovation by Herod was started in BC 20/19 (3741), the 46th year would be 27 AD (3787), the 1st Passover of Jesus' ministry?

At the BIOLA library, La Mirada, CA, I was able to find lots on this, but Leslie P. Madison's Th.D thesis to Dallas Theological Seminary sticks in my mind. The title: "Problems of Chronology in the Life of Christ." His date is BC 20/19.

Here are some urls that give the date that Herod began construction:

(1) The Second Coming of Christ, Part One, By P. G. Mathew, M.A., M.Div., Th.M., 3-3-96

"In 19 B.C. Herod the Great began renovating and expanding the temple. Herod was crafty and cruel, but he was also a great lover of architecture and a very capable man. The construction on the temple was still going on when the disciples pointed it out to Jesus, and was actually not finished until 63 A.D...."

(2) Interesting Bible Facts and Quotes
"Construction on Herod's temple began in 19 B.C. If Jesus was crucified in 30 A.D., as many believe, a period of 50 years separates the two dates."

(3) The Second Temple
... Herod, with Roman support, in 39 BCE began a campaign to retake Jerusalem. ... Herod's Temple was under construction from c. 20/19 BCE ...

(4) Second Temple Times
by Lambert Dolphin

..."Josephus reports (Josephus, Antiq. 15:38-425; Wars,5:184-247) that many Jews who heard of Herod's plans were shocked; they feared he would destroy the old building and not build a new one. Herod was sincere, however. He prepared all the building materials in advance before beginning the work in 19 or 20 B.C.E. (see John 2:20)"....

"Herod's enlargements to the Temple Mount are the subject of vigorous discussion and debate in Israel in our time. The following notes by Prof. George Knight of Hardin-Simmons University, Abilene, Texas are helpful:

"...the complex constructed under the instigation of Herod the Great was an entirely different, larger and grander structure than the previous one. As a part of his campaign to impress and obligate folk to him, Herod the Great undertook many enormous building projects, including the port of Caesarea Maritima and the fortress of Masada. However, nothing else approached the undertaking of building a new temple for the Jews in Jerusalem beginning in 20 B.C."

(5) Herod's Temple

The Construction of the Temple

None of the restorations or extensions of the Second Temple of Zerubbabel could compare with the work begun by King Herod I (the Great) at the beginning of 19 BC....

The work of rebuilding the Temple began in 19 BC which was the 18th year of King Herod’s reign. Agape

Reply from David Parker

Re: "Couldn't you WATCH One Hour?"

Marilyn, yes I have definitely considerer the time of 46 years from the building of the temple. It is fairly simple arithmetic. If it started in 19 BC as the sources you quoted suggest, then here are the calculations: From 19 BC to 1 BC is a period of 18 years. Since there is no year 0, then from 1 BC to 1 AD is one year. So coming forward from 1 BC to 28 AD is 28 years. 18 years plus 28 years is 46 years.

If Jesus began His ministry in the Fall of 28 AD then at the Passover in 29 AD the critics could have well said "this temple has taken 46 years to build." Remember they were speaking in terms of how many years the temple took to build. If for example the temple was finished in 28 AD then in the Spring of 29, at the first Passover, which was the first part of the religious and the Roman calendar, they could have well said that the temple "had taken" 46 years to build. It could have been finished a few months before the Spring of 29 AD.

Does that make sense? 18 years to 1 BC and then 28 years to 28 AD is 46 years isn't it?

In conclusion this reference is to a Temple that had ALREADY been built. Evidently, just recently. Therefore the comment criticizing Jesus could have well been said in 29 AD. at the Passover. David

My reply

I'm not the only one that thinks the way I do. I agree with what the following says.

In Church History: The Life of Christ

It says, " the fifteenth year of Tiberius' reign (Lk. 3:l, 2) which would be 26 A.D. It appears that Jesus was baptized by John not long after the latter began his ministry, so a date of 26 A.D. is also assigned to Jesus' baptism....

"Since the first Passover of Jesus' ministry was the 46th year of the temple's building (Jn.2:13,20), and Herod began to renovate the temple in 19 BC, a date of 27 A.D. is placed upon this first Passover of Jesus' ministry."

> > In conclusion this reference is to a Temple that had ALREADY been built. Evidently, just recently. Therefore the comment criticizing Jesus could have well been said in 29 AD. at the Passover.

The temple was not completed until 63 AD. When John 2:20 says, "Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building," it is not refering to when it "had ALREADY been built." At that time, they were still "building" it, and had been working on it 46 years.

To keep my head straight, I made a chart. When dealing with two different kinds of years, the easiest mistake to make is of one year. Herod I began to reign in BC 37/36. The temple was begun in Herod's 18th year. Josephus said, "Herod, in the eighteenth year of his reign, and after the acts already mentioned, undertook a very great work, that is, to build of himself the temple of God" (Ant. XV. XI. 1).

1. BC 37/36 (Jew 3725) Herod I began to reign
2. BC 36/35 (Jew 3726)
3. BC 35/34 (Jew 3727)
4. BC 34/33 (Jew 3728)
5. BC 33/32 (Jew 3729)
6. BC 32/31 (Jew 3730)
7. BC 31/30 (Jew 3731)
8. BC 30/29 (Jew 3732)
9. BC 29/28 (Jew 3733)
10. BC 28/27 (Jew 3734)
11. BC 27/26 (Jew 3735)
12. BC 26/25 (Jew 3736)
13. BC 25/24 (Jew 3737)
14. BC 24/23 (Jew 3738)
15. BC 23/22 (Jew 3739)
16. BC 22/21 (Jew 3740)
17. BC 21/20 (Jew 3741)
1. BC 20/19 (Jew 3742) 1st year of his temple, 18th of Herod
2. BC 19/18 (Jew 3743)
3. BC 18/17 (Jew 3744)
4. BC 17/16 (Jew 3745)
5. BC 16/15 (Jew 3746)
6. BC 15/14 (Jew 3747)
7. BC 14/13 (Jew 3748)
8. BC 13/12 (Jew 3749)
9. BC 12/11 (Jew 3750)
10. BC 11/10 (Jew 3751)
11. BC 10/9 (Jew 3752)
12. BC 9/8 (Jew 3753)
13. BC 8/7 (Jew 3754)
14. BC 7/6 (Jew 3755)
15. BC 6/5 (Jew 3756)
16. BC 5/4 (Jew 3757) - 1. Jesus born Tishri 1, BC 5
17. BC 4/3 (Jew 3758) - 2. Jesus
18. BC 3/2 (Jew 3759) - 3. Jesus
19. BC 2/1 (Jew 3760) - 4. Jesus
20. BC 1/AD 1 (Jew 3761) - 5. Jesus
21. AD 1/2 (Jew 3762) - 6. Jesus
22. AD 2/3 (Jew 3763) - 7. Jesus
23. AD 3/4 (Jew 3764) - 8. Jesus
24. AD 4/5 (Jew 3765) - 9. Jesus
25. AD 5/6 (Jew 3766) - 10. Jesus
26. AD 6/7 (Jew 3767) - 11. Jesus
27. AD 7/8 (Jew 3768) - 12. Jesus
28. AD 8/9 (Jew 3769) - 13. Jesus
29. AD 9/10 (Jew 3770) - 14. Jesus
30. AD 10/11 (Jew 3771) - 15. Jesus
31. AD 11/12 (Jew 3772) - 16. Jesus - 1. year of Tiberius' reign
32. AD 12/13 (Jew 3773) - 17. Jesus - 2
33. AD 13/14 (Jew 3774) - 18. Jesus - 3
34. AD 14/15 (Jew 3775) - 19. Jesus - 4
35. AD 15/16 (Jew 3776) - 20. Jesus - 5
36. AD 16/17 (Jew 3777) - 21. Jesus - 6
37. AD 17/18 (Jew 3778) - 22. Jesus - 7
38. AD 18/19 (Jew 3779) - 23. Jesus - 8
39. AD 19/20 (Jew 3780) - 24. Jesus - 9
40. AD 20/21 (Jew 3781) - 25. Jesus - 10
41. AD 21/22 (Jew 3782) - 26. Jesus - 11
42. AD 22/23 (Jew 3783) - 27. Jesus - 12
43. AD 23/24 (Jew 3784) - 28. Jesus - 13
44. AD 24/25 (Jew 3785) - 29. Jesus - 14
45. AD 25/26 (Jew 3786) - 30 Jesus bapt. c.1 Tishri -15 Tiberius
46. AD 26/27 (Jew 3787) - 1st Passover - 46. temple
---- AD 27/28 (Jew 3788) - 2nd Passover
---- AD 28/29 (Jew 3789) - 3rd Passover
---- AD 29/30 (Jew 3790) - last Passover, Crucifixion

AD 30 (40 years before the temple was burned in AD 70) agrees with Eze. 4:6. Ezekiel was to bear the iniquity of the house of Judah 40 days, a day for a year.

In "Herod's death,", it says, "Josephus let to provide two other precious indications: a few weeks before Pessah, Herod locked up the high-priest Matthatias; it was in A FAST DAY. And the same night there was an eclipse of the moon; and the disease of Herod got worse "(AJ XVII, 166-167).

"According to the astronomical calculations, there was an eclipse of the moon in the year 4 BC, one month before Pessa'h, in Jerusalem, in the night of March 13 = 14 Adar in the Hebraic calendar; the previous day, 13 Adar, was commemorated the FAST OF ESTHER."

Thus, Jesus was born in BC 5, and Herod died between the Fast of Esther and Passover in BC 4. After Herod died, Josephus said, "Now, upon the approach of that feast of unleavened bread, which the law of their fathers had appointed for the Jews at this time, which feast is called the Passover" (Ant. XVII. IX. 3). Everything fits. Agape

Incoming email, Re: Date of Ministry of Jesus, From: David Parker

Marilyn, yes the temple was in the building process. However, if the project was started or re-started, in say June of 19 BC, then you start there. Your counting below was inclusive. For the construction of the Temple to go for one year you would arrive at June of 18 BC.

For the construction to go on for 18 years FROM when it started in 19 BC (Pick June for example), then you would arrive at June of 1 BC exactly 18 years of building the Temple.

Now from June of 1 BC to June of 28 AD is exactly 28 years. 28 plus 18 is 46. June was picked just so you can have a month in a year to refer to.

If Jesus began His ministry in the Fall of 28 AD and the first Passover in His ministry was in 29 AD then the Jews could have well said that the Temple had been in building for 46 years.

In this scenario Passover of 29AD would be before the 47th year would be completed in the month of June. If Jesus began His ministry in the Fall of 28 AD and the first Passover was in 29 AD, then the crucifixion would be in 32 AD. This fits what HISTORY says is the 15th year of Tiberius having started in 14 AD. See below.

Add a month to your counting and do not count a year until a year has passed.

Now regarding the 15th year of Tiberius here is a quote from a post I did quoting from Stephen Jones' book Secrets of Time. It is historical proof of how the start of the reign of Tiberius was counted. Have you seen this? These coins were DATED by when Tiberius' reign STARTED IN 14 AD!!

The Fifteenth Year of Tiberius Caesar

Both John and Jesus began their ministries in the fifteenth year of Tiberius Caesar. Luke 3:1-3 says,

1 Now in the fifteenth year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar. . . 2 the Word of God came unto John the son of Zacharias in the wilderness. 3 And he came into all the country about Jordan, preaching the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.

Since the Bible dates his ministry according to Roman history, we must look at Roman history to fix the date of the start of John’s ministry. Once we determine this, we can simply add another five or six months to establish the beginning of Jesus’ ministry and His baptism.

Augustus (i.e., Octavian) began his career on August 19, 43 B.C., when he was first appointed consul of Rome. He died precisely 56 years later, on August 19, 14 A.D. Because of this unusual coincidence, many Roman historians mention it in their writings, making it one of the most well established dates in Roman history.

Tiberius, his adopted son, began his reign when Augustus died, on August 19, 14 A.D. Tiberius, of course, had been exercising power some time before Augustus actually died, and this has led some to believe that the first year of Tiberius began a few years earlier at the beginning of a co-regency. However, evidence tells us that Tiberius never officially claimed that his first year began before the death of Augustus.

Adam Rutherford tells us in his Bible Chronology (p. 450) that shortly after Tiberius began to reign, coins were minted in his honor in Antioch. These were double-dated as the first year of Tiberius and the 45th year after the battle of Actium (Sept. 2, 31 B.C.). Roman historians often dated their history according to the “Actium Era,” which began in September of 31 B.C. Keeping in mind that there was no year zero, the 45th year of the Actium Era would extend from September of 14 A.D. to September of 15 A.D.

These coins prove that the first year of Tiberius extended from 14 to 15 A.D., no matter what some may say about Tiberius ruling as a co-regent with Augustus in the last few years of his life. As Rutherford asserts, “No instance is known where the years of Tiberius’ reign were reckoned from his previous partial association with Augustus” (Ibid., p. 451).

A couple of years later, more coins were minted, and dated as the third year of Tiberius and the 47th year of the Actium Era. Again, these prove that the reign of Tiberius was officially recognized in his own time as beginning in 14 A.D. Tiberius never attempted to extend the length of his reign by claiming the last few years of Augustus’ reign on the basis of a co-regency.

So the 15th year of Tiberius extended from August of 28 A.D. to August of 29 A.D. In His Sovereignty, God saw to it that we would know precisely when John began his ministry. Otherwise, it would have been useless information to know that he began to preach in the 15th year of Tiberius. But God did not leave us hanging. …end of quote. dp

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> > if the project was started or re-started, in say June of 19 BC, then you start there. Your counting below was inclusive. For the construction of the Temple to go for one year you would arrive at June of 18 BC.

It should be inclusive. The Jews count blocks of time by inclusive reckoning. However, they do count running time like we do. Someone told me, if they didn't, each week would have one less day.

The Jews call a child one year old as soon as he comes into the world. The age of Jesus in inclusive. The 15 years of Tiberius' reign is inclusive. The work on the temple is inclusive. The 4 Passovers are inclusive. Count those as 4 years.

> > It is historical proof of how the start of the reign of Tiberius was counted. Have you seen this? These coins were DATED by when Tiberius' reign STARTED IN 14 AD!!

I just sent you pictures of 3 coins. One was struck 8 - 10 AD. Another was minted 12 - 14 AD. One is Tiberius "STRUCK UNDER AUGUSTUS." (I'll post them on the next P & C.)

> > Tiberius, his adopted son, began his reign when Augustus died, on August 19, 14 A.D. Tiberius, of course, had been exercising power some time before Augustus actually died, and this has led some to believe that the first year of Tiberius began a few years earlier at the beginning of a co-regency. However, evidence tells us that Tiberius never officially claimed that his first year began before the death of Augustus.

Tiberius began to reign in 12 AD. He was Co-Rex then. He began to reign as Sole-Rex in 14 AD. He was ruling over Judea from 12 AD. Agape

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