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Posted 3-18-03

Antiques collector hands over 'Joash Inscription' to police

By Nadav Shragai and Jonatan Lis
http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=273825&contrassID=1&subContrassID=7&sbSubContrassID=0&listSrc=Y

3-17-03 - The "Joash Inscription", a dark gray sandstone tablet, measuring 1 foot by 2 feet, with 15 lines in ancient Hebrew found some years ago during renovations on Jerusalem's Temple Mount, was transferred to the police fraud squad by antiques collector Oded Golan on Monday.

Golan had been arrested and interrogated over the past few days in connection to the inscription, and has previously denied owning the inscription.

The inscription was located by the police after a six-week undercover investigation, and will be transfered from Tel Aviv to the inspection of the Antiquities Authority in Jerusalem.

The Antiquities Authority will appoint a team of archeologists, geologists and other experts to determine whether the inscription is authentic....

The tablet and inscription have been exhaustively tested, including a carbon dating which indicated that the stone was indeed about 2,300 years old. Language experts have also studied the writing and many have concluded it could not be a forgery. However, doubt has been cast on the tablet's authenticity by archaeological experts.

It is not clear whether the findings of some experts have not been clouded somewhat by personal bias and religious considerations, not to mention the possible political ramifications of the Joash Inscription.

My comment

Surprise! the owner of the Jehoash Tablet is Obed Golan, who also owns the James Ossuary.

Owner of James Ossuary says box could have held bones of only three people

By ANGELA PACIENZA, Canadian Press
http://www.gospelcom.net/apologeticsindex/rnb/archives/00001282.html

TORONTO (CP) 11-22-02 When Oded Golan was eight years old he found several stone objects on a hill behind his parents' home near Tel Aviv. They turned out to be artifacts from 900 BC.

At age 10, he found a piece of stone with etchings on it, buried in a pile of rubble behind the hotel where he was vacationing with his parents in northern Israel. That piece is considered the oldest known dictionary....

Golan, who owns one of the most extensive private collections of antiquities in Israel, bought the ossuary 25 years ago in Jerusalem for a few hundred dollars.

"I have more than 3,000 pieces in my collection," he said...

Israeli Police Break Ancient Tablet

http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-2487155,00.html

3-17-93 - JERUSALEM (AP) - An ancient stone tablet some experts believe may date to the 9th century B.C., providing rare confirmation of biblical narrative, broke in half while being moved to an Israeli police station, officials said Monday.

An antiquities collector turned in the shoebox-sized tablet ("measuring 1 foot by 2 feet," that would be larger than Shaq's shoes, and he wears size 23) in Tel Aviv on Monday morning. Police bringing it to Israel's Antiquities Authority in Jerusalem broke it even though it was wrapped in two layers of bubble wrap and inside a box, said Amir Ganor, the head of the authorities' anti-theft division.

Officials didn't say how the break occurred, but a spokeswoman for the Antiquities Authority, Osnat Guez, said it could actually help scientists studying the tablet, since they will be able to check the inner layers to determine how old the stone is.

The authority will form a commission to study the tablet...

The collector, Oded Golan, has refused to say where he got the tablet. He has denied he owns it, but is suspected of trying to circumvent Israeli antiquities laws for waiting so long to report its existence....

If the tablet is found to be authentic, it ``would prove the existence of the temple,'' said Education and Culture Minister Limor Livnat....

The case mirrors that of a stone box, or ossuary, believed to have contained the bones of the biblical figure James, who some Christians believe was Jesus' brother. The box, whose existence was made known in November, was owned by Golan, and cracked when it was shipped to a museum in Toronto, Canada. The Antiquities Authority is studying it to determine if it is authentic.

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In my current research, I've found out that ancient Babylon used a base 6 numerical system for all transactions? How interesting? Agape

My reply

That's fitting. There are 3 Babylons: (1) Babel, (2) Babylon II (Dan. 3:1) and (3) the coming Babylon III--the 6, 66, and 666. Agape

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Would you please review and comment on these views of the identity of end time Babylon? Thanks
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Two Important Questions Concerning End Time Prophecy
Will the Ark of the Covenant be Found?
Is Modern Day Babylon the Babylon of the End Times?
by Dr. David R. Reagan
http://www.lamblion.com/prophecy/issues/PI-11.html

...The Bible clearly teaches that Babylon will be the end time capital of the Antichrist's world kingdom (read Revelation 17 and 18). The Bible is also full of prophecies about the total destruction of this city (see Isaiah 13 & 47, Jeremiah 50 & 51, and Revelation 17 & 18).

But there are some very good reasons to conclude that the Babylon of the end times will not be the same city as ancient Babylon which is located in the modern nation of Iraq.

The first reason for drawing this conclusion can be found in Isaiah 13:7-22 where a very clear prophecy is given that Babylon will lose its glory after its defeat by the Medes and that it will cease to be inhabited forever. In accordance with this prophecy, Babylon was conquered by the Medes, and it began a long decline that ultimately resulted in its abandonment to the forces of nature. By the time of Christ, one eyewitness reported that the city was nothing but "mounds and stones and ruins."

The second reason for concluding that end time Babylon will be a different city is to be found in the description recorded in Revelation 17. First, the city is referred to as "mystery" Babylon, a clear tip off that the name is being used symbolically (verse 5). Then the passage proceeds to state that the city is the one located on "seven mountains" (verse 9). This seems to be a clear reference to Rome, since it was known at that time as "the city built on seven hills." Finally, in verse 18, the city is identified as "the great city which reigns over the kings of the earth." At the time of the writing of Revelation, this phrase could only refer to Rome.

The city is referred to metaphorically as Babylon because at the time of the Antichrist's reign, it will represent the epitome of the occultic spiritual evil that originated in Babylon and has always been associated with its name. Likewise, at that same time, Jerusalem will be a center of revolt against the Lord, and it is referred to in a similar metaphorical way as "Sodom and Egypt" in Revelation 11:8 — symbolizing immorality and idolatry.

The argument over the location of end time Babylon has been sharpened recently by the publication of a book called The Rise of Babylon (Tyndale House, 1991). It was authored by Charles Dyer, a professor at Dallas Theological Seminary.

Dyer takes the position that the end time Babylon is the same as ancient Babylon, and he strives valiantly to prove his point by reproducing photos of what he asserts to be the rebuilding of Babylon. But the photos do not show that the city is being rebuilt for habitation. Rather, they show that Saddam Hussein is simply building a tourist center.

I went to hear the author speak about Babylon. I wanted to see how he would handle the passage in Isaiah 13:17-18 which says that Babylon will become a waste city and never be built again after it is taken by the Medes. The author started reading with verse 9, and when he completed reading verse 16, he simply said, "Now let's skip to verse 19." In short, he completely ignored the passage about the Medes. I guess that is better than trying to explain that it really doesn't mean what it says.

Unfortunately, that is exactly what the author tries to do in his book. He argues that the prophecy regarding the Medes refers to the modern day Kurds who will join with a multinational force that will destroy Babylon. The argument is unconvincing.

Although I do not agree with the conclusions of either of these books, I recommend them to you. They will provoke you to think and to search the Scriptures — two exercises that we need much more of in the Church today.

My reply

I don't know if the Ark of the Covenant will be found or not. Rev 11:19 says, "the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail."

In the Ark were two stone tablets with the ten commandments on them. I think those two stones represent the two large asteroid pieces of Rev. 8:8,10 that will be thrown to Earth on the Day of God's Wrath, because the commandments are broken. Remember how Moses threw down the first tablets and broke them when the people sinned by worshiping the golden calf? There won't be any reason to have that reminder around during the Millennium.

In Zech. 5:3,4, we can see what will happen when the stones impact Earth at Babylon. It says, "Then said he unto me, This is the curse that goeth forth over (orbits) the face of the whole earth: for every one that stealeth shall be cut off as on this side according to it (as if it were one stone tablet with commandments on it); and every one that sweareth shall be cut off as on that side according to it (as if it was the second stone tablet). I will bring it forth, saith the LORD of hosts, and it shall enter into the house of the thief (the False Prophet), and into the house of him that sweareth falsely by my name (the Pope, the Beast of Rev. 13:3-10 that claims infallibility): and it shall remain in the midst of his house, and shall consume it with the timber thereof and the stones thereof." Zech. 5:11 shows that his "house" will be built in the "land of Shinar," which is Babylon, Iraq.

What we are seeing take place in Iraq today will set up the conditions for building towers for the UN and UR at literal Babylon. If the UN is disarming Iraq and overseeing their new government, why not move there? I think it will fall right into place.

To me, the Babylon of Rev. 17 is mystery Babylon at Rome. The Babylon of Rev. 18 is Babylon, Iraq, a few miles from the Euphrates River. It has never been wholly desolate, so that "every one that goeth by Babylon shall be astonished, and hiss at all her plagues," as Jer. 50:13 says.

Jer 50:10-13 says, "Chaldea (Iraq, not the USA) shall be a spoil: all that spoil her shall be satisfied, saith the LORD. Because ye were glad, because ye rejoiced, O ye (Babylon II) destroyers of mine heritage (Israel), because ye are grown fat (i.e., grown rich with oil) as the heifer at grass, and bellow as bulls; Your mother (Babylon I, at the Tower of Babel), 'MYSTERY (i.e., the Mystery Religion of Babylon, set up at the Tower of Babel), BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS (i.e., those that join together with false religions) AND ABOMINATIONS (idols) OF THE EARTH,' Rev. 17:5) shall be sore confounded; she that bare you (your mother, the Mystery Religion of Babel) shall be ashamed: behold, the hindermost of the nations (Iraq, certainly not the USA) shall be a wilderness, a dry land, and a desert (Babylon, Iraq, is a desert). Because of the wrath of the LORD (i.e., at the end of the shortened Great Tribulation) it (Babylon in Chaldea) shall not be inhabited, but it shall be wholly desolate: every one that goeth by Babylon (the upcoming Babylon III) shall be astonished, and hiss at all her plagues."

It will be after Rev. 18:21 is fulfilled. It says, "a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone (the 'aster,' star or asteroid, of Rev. 8:10), and cast it into the sea (the Holy See?), saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon (in Chaldea) be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all." This destruction has not happened yet. We can still find her.

The Mystery Religion of Babylon I, passed on to Babylon II, will finally be passed on to Babylon III. Her headquarters will be set up on her own base, the Tower of Babel, before the wrath of God destroys her for good.

Zech. 5:5-11 shows that the ephah, largest wheat measure, represents the World Church. Believers are called wheat, and an ekklesia, called out ones, i.e., the church. Verse 6 says, "This is their resemblance through ALL THE EARTH." This World Church headquarters is to be moved from Rome, the headquarters of the Mystery Religion of Babylon in Rev. 17, to Babylon, Iraq, in Rev. 18.

Zech. 5:9-11 says, "Then lifted I up mine eyes, and looked, and, behold, there came out two women (two religious groups), and the wind was in their wings; for they had wings like the wings of a stork: and they lifted up the ephah (world church) between the earth and the heaven (i.e., flew it to Babylon, Iraq). Then said I to the angel that talked with me, Whither do these bear the ephah (world church)? And he said unto me, To build it an house in the land of Shinar (where the Tower of Babel was started (Gen. 7:2): and it shall be established, and set there upon her own base" (the Tower of Babel).

Gen 11:2-4 says, "as they journeyed from the east, that they found a plain in the land of Shinar (Chaldea, Iraq); and they dwelt there. And they said one to another, Go to, let us make brick, and burn them throughly. And they had brick for stone, and slime had they for morter. And they said, Go to, let us build us a city (Babel) and a tower (of Babel), whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth." What was started at Babylon I will be finished at Babylon III.

The top that "may reach unto heaven" is exactly opposite to the truth. When they built seven-stepped towers, or ziggurats, the first step represented Saturn, and was painted black so as not to emphasize it. The second step represented Jupiter. The third represented Mars. The fourth represented Earth. The fifth represented Venus. The sixth represented Mercury. The top step represented the Sun. They worshiped the Sun God in the Mystery Religion of Babylon. It was Satan's counterfeit religion, set up to confuse men's minds to the truth.

Just as Satan's counterfeit religion is opposite to the truth, at Babel, they turned everything depicted by the stepped tower upside down to the truth. Instead of the Sun being Heaven, Saturn is Heaven. If we were building a ziggurat to reflect the truth, the first step would be the Sun, the second Mercury, the third Venus, the fourth Earth, the fifth Mars, the sixth Jupiter, and the top Saturn.

These are exactly as Josephus indicated for the lineup the candlestick represented. The western light that was to be kept burning continually represented the Sun. Next in order were Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn (Ant. III. VII. VI. 7).

The temple also tells the story. It was three cubes long. Those three cubes, like a sphere in a box, represented spheres that share the same dimensions as a cube. The height, width and depth are all the same. The first cube the priest would enter represented Mars. The second represented Jupiter. The Holy of Holies represented Heaven, Saturn. When the veil was ripped on Crucifixion Day, it signified that the door to Heaven was now open. None could precede Jesus. After the Resurrection, some came out of their graves. First, they appeared in the earthly Jerusalem, then second, they appeared in the heavenly New Jerusalem that same day. Jesus made the trip to Heaven and back on that same day.

The days of the week could reflect the same thing that the candlestick does. The first day, Sunday, could represent the Sun. The second could represent Mercury, the third Venus, the fourth Earth, the fifth Mars, the sixth Jupiter, and the seventh Saturn. Saturday, the seventh day, is the Hebrew "shabbath," and Saturn is "shabbatai." Agape

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Lest we forget. This is the picture of the Pope kissing the Koran. He is now telling the world, and especially President Bush that a war against Saddam is "immoral."

The Pope does not realize that the very Koran he is kissing is calling for his demise.

I truly wish people would read the Koran--especially people with the power to influence the entire world.

http://www.garykah.org/html/popekoran.htm
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The pope kissing The Koran

Here is a photo of the pope at the end of an audience with Patriarch Raphael I of Iraq, where the pope "bowed" to the Muslim holy book, The Koran, presented to him by the delegation.

Did the pope, who in fact is the supposed "infallible" voice of the Roman Catholic Church not remember what The Koran has to say about Jesus and the nature of God? Does he not know how The Koran demotes Jesus the Messiah to "only a messenger of Allah" status?

"O people of the Scripture! Do not exaggerate in your religion nor utter aught concerning Allah save the truth. The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was only a messenger of Allah, and His word which he conveyed unto Mary, and a spirit [sic.] from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers and say not 'Three' - Cease! (it is better for you! - Allah is only one God. Far is it removed from His transcendent majesty that He should have a son...The Messiah will never scorn to be a slave unto Allah."

Of Jesus Christ The Koran also states:
"And when the son of Mary is quoted as an example, behold! The folk laugh out, and say: Are our gods better, or is he? They raise not the objection save for argument. Nay! but they are a contentious folk. He is nothing but a slave on whom we bestowed favor, and we made him a pattern for the Children of Israel. And had we willed it we would have set among you angels to be viceroys in the earth".

Regarding Christ's death on the Cross, The Koran says: "That they rejected Faith; That they uttered against Mary a grave false charge; That they said (in boast): We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, The Messenger of Allah. But they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjunction to follow, for of a surety they killed him not. ... And on the Day of Judgment He (Jesus) will be a witness against them (Christians)." (Koran, 4:156-159) The Koran even has Jesus Himself saying:
"Jesus son of Mary said: O Children of Israel! Lo! I am the messenger of Allah unto you, confirming that which was (revealed) before me in the Torah, and bringing good tidings of a messenger who cometh after me, whose name is the Praised One."

The above picture is simply further evidence, along with the his receiving the mark of Shiva, organizing "prayer meetings" with occult religious leaders, and allowing the worship of a false god on the altar of the Roman Catholic Church at Assisi, of his interfaith agenda. This is the man who was picked as "the Man of the Century" by various religious leaders who signed the Evangelicals and Catholics Together document (that claims that Evangelicals and Catholics are preaching the same gospel).

My reply

Thanks. When I posted this picture before, I failed to see the significance of the other man in the picture being "Patriarch Raphael I of Iraq." Since the headquarters of the Pope of the United Religions will be built in Babylon, Iraq, the present Pope is paving the way. On this trip, he plainly demonstrated that he is in accord with what the Koran says.

John Paul II has traveled more than any other Pope. He has visited almost every country that would receive him. I saw a picture of him participating in a pagan worship service in India. He took the mark of Shiva. He has said that salvation was possible through all religions.

That is not true. Acts. 4:10-12 says, "Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole. This is the Stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner (i.e., Earth, whose width of fabric in the curtain of the Tabernacle folded over the back corner). Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved."

After a trip to Egypt, at the traditional Mt Sinai, John Paul II issued an appeal for dialogue among Christians, Jews and Muslims. Not only that, he issued an appeal for all religions to unite. See the following articles.
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Pope John Paul II Appeals, All Religions Unite...02/26/00
http://www.earthchangestv.com/breaking/February2000/0226pope.htm
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Salvation Apart From Christ?
http://www.pro-gospel.org/articles/salvation.html

On May 31, 1995 the Vatican Information Service released these words from Pope John Paul II: "The gift of salvation cannot be limited to those who, in an explicit way, believe in Christ and have entered the church. If salvation is destined for all, it should be in reach of all...the divine plan has also predisposed a path of salvation for those who through no fault of their own do not know Christ and do not see themselves as Christians." Official Roman teaching states there is salvation apart from Christ. How does the Pope allow access to salvation to all -- even those apart from Christ? In a separate Vatican release, the Pope amplifies Mary's role in the salvation process when he depicted her as "the spiritual mother who intercedes for Christ's disciples and for all humanity." Official Roman Catholic teaching is that salvation is not available to all only through Christ but is available to all through Mary.

(Although "Official Roman Catholic teaching" is supposed to be infallible, it is wrong here.)
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Queen of All The Marian Apparitions' Plan to Unite All Religions under the Catholic Church, by: Jim Tetlow
http://www.harpazo.net/Queen.html

(The apparition) "Mary told the seers: "Tell this priest, tell everyone, that it is you who are divided on earth. The Muslims and the Orthodox, for the same reason as Catholics, are equal before my Son and I. You are all my children."...

Pope John Paul II believes that if victory comes to the Universal Church it will be brought by Mary. In his book, Crossing The Threshold of Hope, he makes this unexpected statement:

"After my election as Pope, as I became more involved in the problems of the universal Church, I came to have a similar conviction: On this universal level, if victory comes it will be brought by Mary. Christ will conquer through her..."

"And thus we come to May 13, 1981, when I was wounded by gunshots fired in St. Peter’s Square. At first, I did not pay attention to the fact that the assassination attempt had occurred on the exact anniversary of the day Mary appeared to the three children at Fatima in Portugal and spoke to them the words that now, at the end of this century, seem to be close to their fulfillment."

The pope credits the apparition of Our Lady of Fatima with saving his life during the 1981 assassination attempt.

Shortly after the assassination attempt, Pope John Paul II, consecrated the entire world to the Immaculate Heart of Mary...in response to the request made by Our Lady of Fatima.

Furthermore, in October, 2000, the pope ordered the miraculous statue of Our Lady of Fatima to the Vatican for the Great Jubilee. On Sunday October 8th, Pope John Paul with 1500 bishops - the largest group to assemble since Vatican II - entrusted humanity and the 3rd millennium to Our Lady of Fatima!...

With conversion as her goal, the apparition of Mary claims to be appearing around the world. Father Stefano Gobbi, the head of the Marian Movement of Priests, often receives messages from Mary confirming her global manifestations: “With extraordinary signs which I am giving in every part of the world, through my messages and through my so frequent apparitions, I am pointing out to everyone the approaching of the great day of the Lord."...

Twenty-one thousand apparitions! If true, that would constitute the greatest display of paranormal activity in the history of the world. With hundreds of millions of followers and thousands of alleged apparitions taking place in our generation, could heaven be sending us a wake-up call?...

Queen of Heaven...I alone am able still to save you from the calamities which approach. Those who place their confidence in me will be saved....

(Bible) I, even I, am the Lord, and besides Me there is no savior. (Isaiah 43:11)....

(The apparition called Mary) Once more I am here. - The Co-Redemptrix, Mediatrix, and Advocate is now standing before you. I have chosen this day: on this day the Lady will be crowned.…On this date "the Lady of All Nations" will receive Her official title of "Lady of All Nations."...

When the dogma, the last dogma in Marian history, has been proclaimed, “the Lady of All Nations” will give peace, true peace to the world. The nations, however, must say My prayer in union with the Church. They must know that "the Lady of All Nations" has come as Co-Redemptrix, Mediatrix and Advocate. So be it!..."
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Here is what Rev 2:20-23 says, "Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel (maybe the apparition of Mary called 'Our Lady'), which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication (joining, i.e., in the United Religions), and to eat things sacrificed unto idols. And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not. Behold, I will cast her into a bed (a sick bed), and them that commit adultery (join) with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds. And I will kill her children with death." Agape

Incoming email, Re: information on Planet X sources

Please warn your readers that there is much, much hype, lies, and misinformation about Planet X on the internet. The following site is the best critical analysis of Planet X information and sources:
http://www.prep2003.com/
There one can find out much about the planet and the players.

Jim Bramlett should be aware that the primary source (meaning "the place that first started talking about Planet X and all its implications and the place where most researchers started", including Mark Hazelwood) of information is the very Zeta site that he warns people to stay away from. The URL above succinctly describes the relationships between researchers and Zetas. Your readers should look at the Zeta site just to view the original materials regarding Planet X. Then they will be better able to discern truth from fiction in the very convoluted area.

My reply

I don't think there is a Planet X, and I don't believe Sitchin. I found the following on the site you suggested. Stop and think about this before reading the quote. Any planet in "orbit around our Sun" farther out than Earth can't "pass between the Earth and the Sun." Instead, it would go back of the Sun and reappear on the other side. Only the inner planets Mercury and Venus can go between us and the Sun.

> > We DO have some compelling evidence for the actual existence of Planet X, however. This tenth planet (which some call the 12th planet, counting the Sun and our moon) is on an extremely elliptical 3,600 year orbit around our Sun and the Sun's dead twin, as shown in this 1987 encyclopedia diagram and as per Zecharia Sitchin , a renowned and highly respected scientist, author and public speaker, who has made the study of the planet he calls Nibiru, his life's work.

> > Although Mr. Sitchin has stated that he does not support the 2003 timeline, Nancy and the Zeta's insist that Planet X is due to pass between the Earth and the Sun on or around May 15, 2003 and that this information is being withheld from us by the world governments. Agape

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