Pro and Con 1012

Posted 3-27-03

Incoming email, Please correct your false stated CNN report

I checked your statement and this is not what CNN had reported...here is the correction I am asking you to make...you can contact CNN to see that I am correct in asking you to correct this mis-statement you posted...YSIC-Catholic sister-not a nun

this is the link first of all to the search which I went thouroughly over each article:
http://search.cnn.com/cnn/search?query=pope+iraq&source=cnn_date

Now here is whom actually said this:
http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/Midwest/03/19/bishop.war.ap/index.html

Romanian bishop condemns war

CANTON, Ohio (AP) -- The bishop of a small Catholic group has forbidden its members to participate in a war against Iraq, calling it a "mortal sin."

Bishop John Michael Botean of the Romanian Byzantine Catholic Church in America issued a Lenten message to parishioners March 7, saying that the war doesn't meet the Christian criteria for a just war. ....

The diocese covers the United States, and has 5,000 members with congregations in at least nine states. An estimate on how many church members serve in the military wasn't available. A message seeking comment was left Wednesday at church offices.

Romanian Catholics follow the practices of Eastern Orthodox churches, instead of the Roman Catholic Church, but are loyal to the pope.

Pope John Paul II and the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops have both spoken against an Iraq war but have not declared it to be a sin.

My reply

Thanks for straightening this out for me. I removed the incoming email and my reply from Pro and Con 1011, and am putting it in Pro and Con 1012 (below) with your correction. Agape

Incoming email, Re: catholic church

CNN just reported that the head of the US catholic church has just ruled that any catholic that participates in or supports the war in Iraq is guilty of a mortal sin. This is a very big deal if you are a catholic. How sad!!

My reply

Thanks. He can't back that up with Scripture, and anyone that reads the Bible will know better.

Salvation is clear. Those that accept Christ as their own personal Saviour are saved--period. Those that do not accept Him are lost. What one thinks about the war in Iraq has no bearing on salvation whatsoever.

The Lord is in complete control. He knows what he is doing. Prophecy is being fulfilled. What is happening now in Iraq is preliminary to Babylon being built as the costly Capitol of the World. If the UN is in Iraq setting up the new government and leading a search-and-destroy-WMD group, it would be easier to have their headquarters located in Iraq. Agape

Interesting article from 5 Doves site

Carl Lindquist (27 Mar 2003)
"Scientist hid nukes in Iraq 20 years ago - 03/25/03"
http://www.detnews.com/2003/metro/0303/25/a05-118470.htm

ISS Photo Of Mystery Cloud Ring

Submitted by "Apollo" 3-26-3
From the International Space Station, a unique cloud anomaly in a ring formation
http://www.rense.com/general36/isso.htm

My comment

That bright green aurora caught my eye too. Maybe they are used to seeing it, but I'm not.

SHROUD OF TURIN REVEALS IMAGES OF TWO CROWNS OF THORNS

By Professor Alan D. Whanger, M.D. and Mary W. Whanger
Council for Study of the Shroud of Turin, Durham, NC USA
http://www.religionnews.com/press02/PR031303.html

...These discoveries help to authenticate the Shroud of Turin as well as to provide important historical and archaeological evidence.

The unique second Crown is the one the Whangers feel was mentioned in the Gospels of Matthew, Mark and John that was plaited by the Roman soldiers and placed on Jesusí head to mock him as King of the Jews. In all of history, there is no mention of a crown of thorns in connection with any individual other than Jesus....

Collector's attorney blasts Antiquities Authority

By Nadav Shragai
http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=274283&contrassID=2&subContrassID=1&sbSubContrassID=0&listSrc=Y

3-24-03 - Lior Bringer, an attorney for the antiquities collector who gave the state the "King Jehoash inscription" on Monday, launched a blistering attack on the Antiquities Authority and the police yesterday for their treatment of his client.

The inscription - 15 lines in ancient Hebrew script inscribed on a black sandstone tablet and said to date from the 9th century BCE - would, if authenticated, constitute the first external confirmation of some of the events of the First Temple period as described in the Bible.

The police and the Antiquities Authority suspect the collector, Oded Golan, obtained the stone in violation of the Antiquities Law but promised him that, when he handed it over to them, he would not be prosecuted.

"The question of the stone's ownership is irrelevant," Bringer said yesterday. "They took a man who, thanks to his connections, is capable of getting his hands on cultural treasures and rare and valuable archaeological findings and turned him into a criminal. The state doesn't conduct digs in the Temple Mount area, nor will it in the future. The state also doesn't bother to try and obtain the artifacts that leave the area. And here a man brings a unique artifact, which he believes is an authentic artifact from the First Temple period, hands it over to the state and says `check it out for yourselves.'

"The state then expresses its gratitude by publicly vilifying Golan, raising the suspicion that (the stone) is a forgery even before the inscription has been examined, throwing around unfounded accusations as if he had been found with stolen property in his possession - an accusation that was never made to Golan's face - and waging a media campaign orchestrated by the police and the Antiquities Authority whose purpose is to plant doubts with regard to the source of the inscription and the collector who took the trouble to hand it over to the state....

Incoming email, Re: Pope endorses anti-war movement

From: Jim Bramlett - Mar 25, 2003

See Associated Press news report below. See my comments in ALL-CAPS.

VATICAN CITY -- The vast antiwar movement in the world shows that a "large part of humanity" has rejected the idea of war as a means of resolving conflicts between nations, Pope John Paul II said in a message released Tuesday. (MUCH OF THAT ANTI-WAR MOVEMENT IS ISLAMIC AND PRAISING THE SADIST SADDAM HUSSEIN WHILE CONDEMNING PRESIDENT BUSH. THE PROBLEM IS THE PART OF HUMANITY, INCLUDING SADDAM, THAT HAS NOT ONLY NOT REJECTED WAR AS A MEANS OF RESOLVING CONFLICTS, BUT THEY CONTINUOUSLY FOMENT CONFLICTS AND MURDER INNOCENT PEOPLE. WOULD HE HAVE PEACEFUL NATIONS TO JUST CAPITULATE?)

The pope, a staunch opponent of the U.S.-led war in Iraq, sent his message to Roman Catholic military chaplains attending a Vatican-organized course on humanitarian law.

He cited the "vast contemporary movement in favor of peace" around the world and said he took "comfort and hope" from the efforts for peace by various religions. (HE MUST BE INCLUDING HIS FRIENDS THE MUSLIMS WHO ARE FOMENTING MOST OF THE WAR IN THE WORLD AND ARE OUT TO DESTROY ISRAEL AND AMERICA, AND WILL IF THEY ARE NOT STOPPED. IN FACT, I HOPE THE GUARDS AT THE VATICAN ARE WELL-TRAINED IN ANTI-TERRORISM COMBAT, AS THEY MAY BE COMING AFTER HIM NEXT.)

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I ALSO READ WHERE THE POPE WAS CALLING UPON MARY -- NOT THE FATHER, NOT THE SON, OR NOT THE HOLY SPIRIT -- TO BRING PEACE TO THE WORLD. I KNOW HIS HEART IS RIGHT, BUT YOU WOULD THINK THAT AT HIS AGE HE WOULD KNOW THE PROPER CHANNELS BY NOW.
Jim

My reply

I don't know whether the Pope's heart is right or not. I see things on the Internet and wonder about him. He is very much into the UN and peace and security. Many of his pronouncements are poles apart from those of previous Popes too. How he can get away with saying such offbeat things is a wonder. I would have thought they would throw anyone out that did not subscribe to Catholic teachings right down the line. Below are some of the things I found on the Internet.
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http://www.gospelcom.net/apologeticsindex/an990911.html
24. Pope praises 'GOD THE MOTHER' to pilgrims
The Times (England), Sep. 10, 1999
http://www.the-times.co.uk/news/pages/Times/timfgneur01004.html?2488675

The Pope, who this year said that God was not "an old man with a white beard", went a step further yesterday and referred to "God the Mother". The Pope, regarded as dogmatically conservative and patriarchal, has SURPRISED CRITICS THIS YEAR WITH UNCHARACTERISTICALLY OPEN-MINDED REVISIONS OF DOCTRINE as part of his preparations for a Christian mission in the new millennium. He is keen to broaden the appeal of Christianity, his advisers say, and to ensure that no sections of society feel "left out of its all-embracing message"....

The Pope is also a devotee of the cult of the Virgin Mary, although she is referred to as the Mother of God, and not as a God Mother, since she does not share the divinity of God and Christ.
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MESSAGE OF JOHN PAUL II
TO THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF UNO

DISARMAMENT EFFORTS CANNOT CONCERN ONLY SOME COUNTRIES OR BE CENTERED ONLY ON ONE TYPE OF WEAPON
From the Vatican, 31 May 1988 John Paul II
http://www.cin.org/jp2ency/disarm.html

[Pope John Paul II sent a message to the General Assembly of the United Nations on the occasion of the third Extraordinary Session on Disarmament. The text of the message was read to the Assembly on June 2 by Cardinal Agostino Casaroli, Secretary of State....

ETHICAL PRINCIPLES AND PRIORITIES FOR CONCRETE INTERNATIONAL ACTION

2) Disarmament is not an end in itself. The end is PEACE, AND SECURITY is one of its essential elements. The evolution of international relations reveals today that disarmament is a necessary condition, if not the primary condition, for security since, by a phenomenon of cooperation, it allows other elements of stability and peace to develop. All are well aware that the type of security on which our planet has depended for several decades - a balance of terror based on nuclear deterrence - is a security with a far too high risk level. This awareness should encourage nations to enter into a new phase in their relations, with all due urgency. This is precisely what you are now devoting your attention to, in order to eliminate once and for all the spectre of a nuclear war and of all armed conflict.

The progressive, balanced and controlled elimination of weapons of mass destruction and the stabilization at the lowest possible level of the defensive weapon systems of countries, is an objective that should obtain the necessary consensus as a firs(t) step toward increased security....
Article on Internet, "101 Heresies of Anti-Pope John Paul II" By Patrick John Pollock
"If anyone holds to one single one of these (heresies) he is not a Catholic."
-- Pope Leo XIII (from Encyclical Satis Cognitum:28)
http://www.truecatholic.org/heresiesjp2.htm

(MJA: Numbered items below are samples of statements by John Paul II quoted in the article. See footnotes in article for Pollock's sources. Emphasis is mine.)

26. Christ's miracles do NOT prove His messianic dignity.
LOR, 11/11/1983

Christ's miracles did prove His messianic dignity.
St. Pius X, D.2028...

28. Infidels can be saved for : "May Ghandi live forever!"
SME:9

All infidels are damned!
St. Pius X, GOH:13...

45. All men belong to the Catholic Church.
CCC:836, 10/11/1992

Only Catholics are members of the Church.
Pius XII, D.2286...

46. THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IS JOINED TO HERETICS.
CCC:838, 10/11/1992

Heretics are separated from the Catholic Church.
Pius XII, D.2286...

48. THE PLAN OF SALVATION INCLUDES THE MUSLIMS.
CCC:841, 10/11/1992

It is heresy to say: salvation is open to Muslims.
Gregory XVI, VM:13

49. THE CATHOLIC CHURCH HAS A BOND WITH FALSE
RELIGIONS. CCC:842, 10/11/1992

False religions are separated from the Church.
Eugene IV, D.705...

53. ONE CAN BE SAVED OUTSIDE THE CHURCH BY A MORAL LIFE.
VS:3, 08/06/1993

True morality and salvation are only in the Church.
Gregory XVI, D.1613...

67. GOD'S CHURCH IS BUILD UP WHEN HERETICS RECEIVE THE EUCHARIST.
UUS:12, 05/25/1995

Heretics sin when they receive the Eucharist.
Leo XIII, ENL...

72. THE UN IS THE SUPREME FORUM OF PEACE AND JUSTICE.
PP:112, 10/02/1979

The Church is the supreme forum of peace.
Pius XI, MA:1-17...

86. WITH GOD, MAN CREATES HIS PERSONAL SALVATION.
CH:195, 1994

No one can be saved outside the true faith.
Pius IV, D.1000

88. The Catholic Church is present in all its elements in heretical sects.
CN, 05/28/1992

Outside the Catholic Church there is no holy unity.
St. Leo IO, DJP:129,II:3...

96. JOHN PAUL 88 PRAYED WITH SORCERERS, CALLING OUT THE "SPIRITS."
LOR, 08/11/1985

John Paul II worshiped the Devil.
Gregory XVI, SJS...

101. BUDDHISM IS A RELIGION OF SALVATION.
CH:84-85, 1994

Buddhism is a religion of damnation
Eugene IV, D.714

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No wonder Jesus told us to watch. Change is in the works. Agape

Incoming email, Re: Pre-Wrath Rapture

I would like to know from where you've formed the doctrine of two raptures.

I used to believe that ALL believers would be taken at the Rapture, but have since started to lean to the school of thought that those who have kept their robes spotless and clean (the Philadelphian virgins, as you call them) will be taken at the beginning of the seven-year tribulation. The remainder of the Church (the Laodicean virgins) that will face the first three-and-one-half years are next seen in Heaven in Revelation 7:9-17. However, there is no mention of a rapture...only that they are now in Heaven between the sixth and seventh seals. I personally think that these are the ones who will lose their lives for their belief in Jesus (maybe by refusing the Mark?). For example, John writes in Rev.7:16 "They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat." These are obviously a different group of saints, a group specifically set aside. The fact that the Lord moves John to specifically point out that their hardships are over (which he doesn't do for the pre-Trib saints) make me feel that they are being consoled in a special way. He pointedly addresses their hungers, thirsts, and exposures to the sun and heat. He doesn't do this to any other group of believers except as a general consolation in Rev.21:4 after the creation of a new heaven and new earth. How do you know that these saints in Rev. 7:16 are not the victims of the AntiChrist that are now praising the Lord after their physical deaths?

I would just like to know where you find the scriptural evidence of two, distinct, and separate raptures. Since the pre-Trib rapture is noted SO MANY times in scripture, I find it difficult to understand a theory for which I can find no specific reference. Please help me understand your point of view. Please explain why you think the trib-saints will experience another rapture?

Your insights are much appreciated! God bless

My reply

Here is what I think. Be sure to check to see if it agrees with Scripture.

Mankind, as mortal and knowing both good and evil, is being tested approx. 7000 years. There are three ages, approx. 2000 years each, before the 1000-year reign of the Lord Jesus Christ begins.

An age is allotted to each of the three groups mentioned in 1Co 10:32. It says, "Give none offence, neither to the JEWS, nor to the GENTILES, nor to the CHURCH of God."

1. Age of the Gentiles - God dealt with mankind as a whole
2. Age of the Jews - God dealt mainly with Jews/Israelites
3. Age of the Church - God deals mainly with believers in Christ

Today, the survivors of all three groups face a single 7-year trial on Earth before sentence is pronounced at the heavenly Judgment Seat of Christ on the first day of his millennial reign. All surviving mankind on Earth will be tried during the 70th week of years of Dan. 9:27.

There is one exception. The Bride of Christ will be kept OUT OF (EK, as translated in Rev. 5:9) this upcoming trial coming upon the whole Earth. Why? Because they are already "ACCOUNTED WORTHY". Isa. 57:1 says, "The RIGHTEOUS (i.e., ones accounted worthy) perisheth (abad, escapes), and no man layeth it to heart: and merciful men are taken away (acaph, removed, evacuated, i.e., raptured), none considering that the RIGHTEOUS is taken away (acaph, i.e., raptured) from the evil (i.e., the Tribulation trial) to come" (i.e., after the Pre-Trib Rapture).

Job 11:20 But the eyes of THE WICKED shall fail, and THEY SHALL NOT ESCAPE (i.e., not be raptured), and their hope shall be as the giving up of the ghost."

Luke 21:36 says, "Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be ACCOUNTED WORTHY TO ESCAPE (ekpheugo, vanish from, i.e., at the Pre-Trib Rapture) all these things that shall (after the Rapture) come to pass (during the trial), and to stand before the Son of man" (in Heaven, Rev. 4:4,9).

These are already wearing the white "WEDDING GARMENT" (Mt. 22:11) that is necessary to attend the "WEDDING" (Mt. 22:10). These are Philidelphians that the Lord has no words of condemnation for. They are the wise virgins that have enough oil (symbol of the Holy Spirit) to keep their lamps burning brightly. When "the bridegroom came (i.e., at the Rapture)...they that were READY went in with him to the MARRIAGE: and the door (symbol of the Rapture, Rev. 3:8, also like the door of Noah's Ark) was shut" (Mt. 25:10). Those foolish virgins are left out because they are not yet ready.

Luk 12:46 describes what will happen to the foolish servant. "The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder (lit., cut him off), and will appoint him his portion (the Tribulation) WITH THE UNBELIEVERS." Mt. 24:51 adds, "And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion (the Tribulation) with the hypocrites (pretenders): there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." In Mt. 22:10-14, we see a man cast out of the wedding, because he doesn't have on a wedding garment. The Bride wears white. There "shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. For many are called, but few are chosen."

Rev 17:14 says, "These (kings) shall (in the future Tribulation) make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that ARE with him (at the Pre-Trib Rapture) are CALLED, and CHOSEN, and FAITHFUL."

Rev. 3:10; (LITV) says to the Philadelphians, "Because you kept the Word of My patience, I also will keep you OUT OF (EK) THE HOUR OF TRIAL which is going to come on all the habitable world in order TO TRY THOSE DWELLING ON THE EARTH." Since the Philadelphians are to be kept out of the trial that will come upon all that dwell on Earth, they will be caught up to Heaven before the trial starts.

There are only two trumps of God that call up the saints. The first trump of God is sounded in I Thess. 4:16. The last trump of God is sounded in I Cor. 15:52. The first trump is sounded one more time, just before the last trump calls the Tribulation saints up to Heaven. This seems to be why it is not called the "first" trump at the Pre-Trib Rapture. That is merely the first time a "trump of God" is sounded. When it is sounded again, the Bride is gathered from one end of Heaven to the other to the "general assembly" in Heaven (Heb. 12:23) where the Judgment Seat of Christ will convene.

These two trumps of God are foreshadowed by the TWO SILVER TRUMPETS of Nu. 10:1-4. It says, "the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Make thee TWO TRUMPETS OF SILVER; of a whole piece shalt thou make them: that thou mayest USE THEM (both) FOR THE CALLING OF THE ASSEMBLY (i.e., the 'general assembly' in Heaven, Heb. 12:23), AND FOR THE JOURNEYING (i.e., being raptured to Heaven) OF THE CAMPS. And when they shall blow with them (both), all the assembly (those of the first trump are gathered from one end of Heaven to the other at about the same time that the Pre-Wrath Rapture gathers up the Tribulation saints from Earth) shall assemble themselves to thee at the DOOR (symbol of a Rapture, Rev. 3:8) of the tabernacle of the congregation (i.e., at the Pre-Wrath Rapture, I Cor. 15:52). And if they blow but with ONE trumpet, then the princes, which are heads of the thousands of Israel (12 patriarchs and 12 apostles, the 24 elders of Rev. 4:4), shall GATHER (i.e., at the Pre-Trib Rapture, Rev. 4:4) themselves unto thee."

Mt. 24:30,31 says, "then (first day of Christ's millennial kingdom) shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven (he will be seen sitting on his throne in the sky, Rev. 6:16): and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory (the Pre-Wrath Rapture, Judgment Seat of Christ and 7 trumpet judgments take place this day, seven months before the Second Advent, Eze. 39:12,13). And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet (the first trumpet sounding again), and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of HEAVEN to the other." These had been caught up to Heaven before the Tribulation began. First, they are caught up from the Earth before the Tribulation. Second, they are gathered, from one end of Heaven to the other, to the "general assembly" in Heaven (Heb. 12:23).

Mark 13:27 says, "then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the EARTH (the Pre-Wrath Rapture, the 'last trump') to the uttermost part of HEAVEN (those caught up earlier in the Pre-Trib Rapture, the first trump)."

The Pre-Trib Rapture is the FIRST "trump of God." I Thess. 4:16,17 says, "the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with THE TRUMP OF GOD: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."

The Pre-Wrath Rapture is the "last trump" of God. 1Co 15:51,52 says, "We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the LAST TRUMP (i.e., last of a series): for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed."

Both the Bride saints and the Tribulation saints will be caught up to Heaven before the wrath of God hits Earth. The wrath hits Earth at noon on the first day of Christ's millennial kingdom. Neither the first nor the last trump of God can correlate with any of the seven trumpet judgments sounded by angels. None of the saved will be on Earth when the seven trumpet judgments hit Earth. The saved are not appointed to the wrath of God. 1Th 5:9 says, "God hath NOT APPOINTED us (believers) to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ."

None of the Old Testament saints are "made perfect" until the Pre-Trib Rapture has taken place. Heb 11:40 says, "God having provided some better thing for us, that they (Old Testament saints) without us should NOT BE MADE PERFECT."

Also, "we (the entire Body of Christ) shall ALL BE CHANGED" at the same time, "In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, AT THE LAST TRUMP...For this corruptible must put on incorruption, AND this mortal must put on immortality" (I Cor. 15:51-53). At the present time, believers have immortality promised to them. After the last Rapture, the entire Body of Christ will actually become immortal.

The two feet of the Body of Christ seem to represent the two groups to be raptured. One is born into a new world a bit before the other. The first group, those that are ready, are caught up to Heaven in Rev. 4:1, before the first seal of Rev. 6 is broken.

The second group will be caught up after they "have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb" (Rev. 7:14). These are caught up before the 7th seal is broken in Rev. 8, before any of the trumpet judgments hit Earth. This group is "a great multitude, which no man could number, OF ALL NATIONS" (Rev. 7:9).

The False Prophet will seek to kill Messianic Jews. He won't even be able to kill all of that group, let alone believers in the rest of the world. The Messianic Jews in Judaea will flee Mid-Trib (Mt. 24:15; Dan. 9:27) to Petra in the wilderness, to be kept safe until the Pre-Wrath Rapture takes place. Though the False Prophet will seek to kill them, "the earth helped the woman (Israel), and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth. And the dragon was wroth with the woman (because he can't kill her), and went to make war with the remnant of her seed (Jews), which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ" (Rev. 12:16,17). Therefore, Satan will not be allowed to kill all the Tribulation saints, just some. In danger will be any Messianic Jews that do not immediately flee to the wilderness when the temple is desecrated. When the Bible says to run, don't hesitate, RUN.

In Petra, the people will be in caves cut in the rock, suggesting that they are in Christ, for "that Rock (in the wilderness) was Christ (I Cor. 10:4). Petra will be emptied again by the Pre-Wrath Rapture before noon on the first day of the millennial Day of the LORD.

Zeph. 2:3-5 says, "Seek ye the LORD, all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought his judgment; seek righteousness, seek meekness: it may be ye shall be HID (cathar, be absent, i.e., by being caught up to Heaven) in the day of the LORD'S anger. For Gaza shall be forsaken (when the blazing asteroid of Rev. 8:8 hits the Mediterranean Sea), and Ashkelon a desolation: they shall drive out Ashdod at the NOON day, and Ekron shall be rooted up. Woe unto the inhabitants of the sea coast."

We can tell that all the saints are in Heaven prior to the Second Advent for they all return with Christ. Zech. 14:5 says, "THE LORD MY GOD SHALL COME (Second Advent of Christ, YHWH of hosts, the Redeemer, Isa. 44:6), and ALL THE SAINTS WITH THEE." Rev. 19:14 says, "the armies which were in heaven followed him (Christ) upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, WHITE and clean."

The Tribulation saints come "OUT OF (EK) great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb" (Rev. 7:9). They have confessed their known sins to God so He can cleanse them from all unrighteousness (I John 1:9).

The Tribulation saints are in Heaven to receive their rewards when the judgment written will fall on the unbelievers on Earth. Rev. 11:18 says, "the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged (at the Judgment Seat of Christ), and that thou shouldest give REWARD unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, SMALL AND GREAT; and shouldest destroy them (with the 7 trumpet judgments) which destroy the earth."

On that judgment day, all Israel will be saved in a day (Isa. 66:8). Those will live on into the Millennium with the rest of the sheep chosen at the Judgment of the Nations that follows the Second Advent(Mt. 25:31-34). Agape

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