Pro and Con 1017

Posted 4-13-03

Rainbow over Kinneret (Sea of Galilee), taken by Jerry Golden

To understand how the war in Iraq was won so quickly, read the whole article, "THE DEAL" at It's about "How Guard And Fedayeen Made A Deal With Rumsfeld." There is more important information in its 10 pages than anything else I've seen about the war. This deal saved lots of lives on both sides.
Thank you Lord, in Jesus' name, Amen.

From David Irving's site 4-15-3

By Walid Rabbah, Exclusive to Sawt al-`Urouba. April 14, 2003

LEBANON -- One day after the start of the war against Iraq American Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld appeared on American television screens to say something that the press interpreted as some sort of American propaganda. In reality, though, it was the basis for what was later to take place.

Rumsfeld said that there had been communications between the Americans and leaders in the Republican Guard in Iraq. He said that the details could not be disclosed now, but urged listeners to wait for coming days.

Three days later the American media played an audio tape on which recorded voices could be heard speaking in Arabic guiding American forces to important bombing targets. The voices were translated immediately in the headquarters of the American forces so that orders could be issued accordingly.

In fact, Rumsfeld was not just talking at random. There had been communications that took place in total secrecy between the leaders of the Republican Guard and the Commanders of Saddam's Fedayeen, unbeknownst to the Iraqi leader and his son who was in charge of a huge military organization that could have made life hell for the American forces had they joined the battle.

The communications grew in intensity after the Republican Guard entered its first battle against the American forces in the environs of Baghdad, and after much of its equipment was destroyed. The Americans could see that they were facing a force with high military preparedness, one that was well trained and could inflict tremendous losses on the American forces whenever they tried to enter Baghdad.

The offer proposed by the American command in Iraq to the Republican Guard and Saddam's Fedayeen was generous. The offers were run past Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld, who okayed them immediately. The provided for:

1. In return for not opposing American forces and for laying down their weapons, the United States will give the following:... More at: "THE DEAL"

Re: Damascus a ruinous heap

"The burden of Damascus. Behold, Damascus is taken away from being a city, and it shall be a ruinous heap." Isaiah 17:1 -- Is this prophecy about to be fulfilled in your Daily News?

My reply

We are closing on that day of destruction, but it will take place on the Day of God's Wrath, the first day of the millennial Day of the Lord, the end of the shortened Tribulation.

Isa 17:1-3 says, "The burden of Damascus. Behold, Damascus is taken away from being a city, and it shall be a ruinous heap. The cities of Aroer (Amman, Jordan) are forsaken: they shall be for flocks, which shall lie down, and none shall make them afraid. The fortress also shall cease from Ephraim, and the kingdom from Damascus, and the remnant of Syria: they shall be as the glory of the children of Israel, saith the LORD of hosts."

U.S. demands Syria give up Iraq's weapons of mass destruction

Rumsfeld, Rice urge quick action

...Officials said the extent of the Iraqi-Syrian WMD connection was disclosed by Jaffar Jaffar, regarded as the father of Iraq's nuclear program. Last week, Jaffar fled to Syria and then made his way to an unidentified Arab country, where he surrendered to U.S. authorities, Middle East Newsline reported....

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Mythical Garden of Eden now a wasteland
Al-Qurna, April 12

It is believed to be the Garden of Eden, the mythic place where the Tigris and Euphrates rivers join, the cradle of mankind where Adam came to pray to God....

"We, the people of Al Qurna, believe this is a special place and it is our earnest hope that one day it will be restored to glory. For the glory of the Garden of Eden is the glory of God.

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from The Los Angeles Times

New radioactive dating from a major Iron Age site called Tel Rehov in northern Israel supports the biblical tradition that David and his son Solomon, founders of the ancient kingdom of Israel, were real nation- builders and not largely mythical figures, as some revisionist historians have argued.

Recent excavations at Megiddo, 25 miles west of Rehov, had suggested that palaces and other artifacts there once associated with Solomon were built by a later family of rulers called the Omrides. Based on those finds, archeologist Israel Finkelstein of Tel Aviv University established a so- called Low Chronology in which Solomon and David are minor chieftains at best.

But a team led by archeologist Amihai Mazar of the Hebrew University of Jerusalem reported in Friday's issue of Science that carbon from olive pits and charred grain from one of three "destruction layers" at Tel Rehov date the layer to 940 to 900 BC. The destruction layers mark times when the site was demolished before being rebuilt.

Incoming email, Re: Mystery Babylon

Mystery Babylon is a subject on many bible scholars minds at this time in history and there is much written about it. How do I approach the subject in light of writings such as expressed at
that says that America is that Mystery? Is it possible or is the US a mere shadow of what is to come? Would this mean that there are many years yet to come before the real Mystery Babylon stands up?

My reply

Babylon is not the US. As far as I can tell, the only time that the United States is indicated in Scripture is in 2Sa 7:23 (same as I Chr. 17:51). It says, "what one (echad, UNITED) NATION in the earth is like thy people, even like Israel, whom God went to redeem for a people to himself, and to make him a name, and to do for you great things and terrible, for thy land, before thy people, which thou redeemedst to thee from Egypt, from the nations and their gods?" No wonder the God-hating USSR broke up. The US is now doing "great things" for Israel. The "terrible" probably refers to pushing for a Palestinian state. What is worse than the terrorism Israel endures now? A terrorist country next door.

I think Babylon of Rev. 17 is Vatican City in Rome. Rev. 17:18 says, "the woman (symbol of a religious group) which thou sawest is that great city (Vatican City), which reigneth over the kings of the earth."

When the Tribulation Pope becomes the Beast of Rev. 13:3-10, the headquarters of both the UN (United Nations) and UR (United Religions) will be moved to literal Babylon in Iraq. Abraham came from UR in the same general area as Babylon. The Garden of Eden was in that general area too.

Adam was to leave the Garden of Eden. Abraham was to leave UR. Man should not go back and build a headquarters for the UN and UR in that area either, but they will. Hos 13:13 says, "The sorrows of a travailing woman shall come upon him (Ephraim, which means--that grows, i.e., idolatry, the Mystery Religion of Babylon): he is an unwise son; for he should not stay long in the place of the BREAKING FORTH OF CHILDREN" (Eden). Ephraim's name is omitted from the 144,000 Israelis in Rev. 7, because of his idolatry.

Dan's name is also missing, because of his idolatry. Chances are good that the False Prophet will be from the tribe of Dan.

Early civilization began in that area of southern Iraq, and civilization as we know it will be destroyed on the Day of God's Wrath. The Sword of the Lord (the asteroid of Rev. 8:10) will destroy Babylon. Jer 12:12 says, "the SWORD OF THE LORD shall devour from the one end of the land even to the other end of the land: no flesh shall have peace."This globe will be turned upside down. The seas will overflow the land.

Zech. 5:10,11 says, "Whither do these bear the ephah (largest wheat measure, i.e., the world church)? And he said unto me, To build it an house in the land of Shinar (which means change of the city): and it shall be established, and set there upon her own base" (the Tower of Babel, which means confusion, where the Mystery Religion of Babylon began, Gen. 11:2).

Babylon of Rev. 18 is the literal city in Iraq. That area is also called the land of the Chaldeans (which means--as demons). Jer 51:4 says, "Thus the slain shall fall in the land of the Chaldeans. The destruction foretold for that city has not yet taken place. It will fall on the Day of God's Wrath. Rev. 18:21 tells us that it will be destroyed by an asteroid. It says, "a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all." Iraq will be hit with a rock. This has not happened yet, but it will.

Jer 51:37,41-45 tells us that "Babylon shall become heaps, a dwellingplace for dragons, an astonishment, and an hissing, without an inhabitant.... how is Babylon become an astonishment among the nations! The sea is come up upon Babylon: she is covered with the multitude of the waves thereof. Her cities are a desolation, a dry land, and a wilderness, a land wherein no man dwelleth, neither doth any son of man pass thereby. And I will punish Bel (meaning what is subject to change, i.e., the Satan-possessed False Prophet) in Babylon, and I will bring forth out of his mouth that which he hath swallowed up (Satan): and the nations (UN) shall not flow together any more unto him: yea, the wall of Babylon shall fall. My people, go ye out of the midst of her, and deliver ye every man his soul from the fierce anger of the LORD."

Rev. 18:4,5 echoes, "Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities." This is when the Pre-Wrath Rapture takes place.

The Pre-Trib Rapture has just happened in Rev. 17. Verse 14 says, "they that are with him (the Lamb of God) are called, and chosen, and faithful." The setting of Rev. 17 is at the time of the Pre-Trib Rapture. The Pope is the king that is in office in v. 10. The setting of Rev. 18 is at the time of the Pre-Wrath Rapture. The False Prophet is in office then, but he will be deposed that day.

I hope the Pre-Trib Rapture will be on Pentecost, Sivan 7, 5763, our June 7, 2003, the anniversary of Israel's taking of the temple area in 1967. We are the temple of God now. I Cor. 3:16 says, "Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?" When we are gone, the temple at Jerusalem can be built. Agape

Incoming email, Re: Wars

From: Rich Pope

Marilyn, I read a post on your site where some clown went as far as to say that the only legitimate war is war against the devil.

Just open the Old Testament you dope and see how many times God ordered the Israelites to attack nations for land.

And the commandment isn't "Thou shalt not kill." The Hebrew would render it "Thou shalt not MURDER." And there is a difference whether this goof knows it or not.

Can I please make a plea to your audience? STUDY HEBREW AND GREEK! Quit relying on translations because the translator always has an agenda.

Even the Stone Chumash has an agenda, that translation is based on Rashi. I just can't stress this enough.

My second plea...STOP TAKING SCRIPTURE OUT OF ITS NATURAL CONTEXT! When God sends a prophet to correct Israel and bring them back on track, don't think for one moment that God is talking to you in 2003.That's bad theology which results in bad eschatology.

Marilyn, this is why you are always wrong about end time events. And this is why your whole picture is completely wrong because all the little pieces of the picture are wrong. You have built your end times house on sand. Rich

My reply

> > I read a post on your site where some clown went as far as to say that the only legitimate war is war against the devil.
> > Just open the Old Testament you dope and see how many times God ordered the Israelites to attack nations for land.

I'm with you on this. In Leslie's head, she gets around it by accepting "Thou shalt not kill" and not accepting anything about war from the Old Testament. Out of the New Testament, the only thing she bases her idea on is the fact that Jesus and his apostles would rather be martyrs than fight for what they knew was right. She only sees what she wants to see, and is not listening to anything else.

I wonder what she would think of Luke 14:31. Jesus said, "what king, going to make WAR against another king, sitteth not down first, and consulteth whether he be able with ten thousand to meet him that cometh against him with twenty thousand." Jesus didn't say "war, but be sure you don't kill anyone."

> > STUDY HEBREW AND GREEK! Quit relying on translations because the translator always has an agenda.
> > Even the Stone Chumash has an agenda, that translation is based on Rashi. I just can't stress this enough.

It would be good to study the Bible's original languages and read Hebrew and Greek Bibles. However, it is too late in time for me to throw out translations. In the little time left us here on Earth, the best I can do is compare different translations and look up original words in concordances and lexicons.

> > My second plea...STOP TAKING SCRIPTURE OUT OF ITS NATURAL CONTEXT! When God sends a prophet to correct Israel and bring them back on track, don't think for one moment that God is talking to you in 2003.That's bad theology which results in bad eschatology.

Many things concerning Israel in the Tanach/Old Testament are recorded as examples for us in the latter days of this age. To learn as much about what is coming, we should compare like things in the whole Bible. Why is it like that? Dan. 12:10 (SE) explains why. It is so that "none of the wicked will understand; but the wise will understand." Isa. 28:13 (SE) says, "The word of HASHEM shall befall them commandment by commandment, commandment by commandment; line by line, line by line; A BIT HERE AND A BIT THERE; so that they will go and stumble backward and be broken, and be tripped up and caught."

In 1Co 10:11 (HRV, Hebraic-Roots Version), Paul said, "Now all these [things] that happened to them (Israel) were for OUR (the church's) EXAMPLE, AND IT WAS WRITTEN FOR OUR INSTRUCTION UPON WHOM THE END OF THE AGES HAS COME."

The "end of the ages" (Age of the Gentiles, Age of the Jews, and Age of the Church) is a single 7-year span of time. It's the same span of time as the 70th septet, or week of years, of Dan. 9:27. Often called the Tribulation, it is due to start soon after the Pre-Trib Rapture.

Isa. 57:1,2 (SE, Stone Edition) says, "men of kindness are gathered in (i.e., at the Pre-Trib Rapture) with no one understanding that BECAUSE OF THE IMPENDING EVIL (THE COMING TRIBULATION), THE RIGHTEOUS ONE WAS GATHERED IN."

Dan. 9:27 (SE) says, "He (the wicked one of II Thess. 2:8, the prince that will come, Dan. 9:26) will forge a STRONG COVENANT WITH THE GREAT ONES (probably the UN) for one septet; but for half of that septet he will abolish sacrifice and meat-offering, and the mute abominations (idols) will be upon soaring heights, until EXTERMINATION as decreed will pour down upon the mute [abomination]."

The "STRONG COVENANT" of Dan. 9:27 is the peace treaty that is being worked on in our days. It will reach final form after the Pre-Trib Rapture. Sacrificing on an altar on the temple mount will begin as the 70th week of Daniel begins. The sacrificing will end Mid-Trib.

We are fast approaching the Feast of Trumpets that begins the millennial Day of the Lord. This 7th Millennium has not come yet, but it is close.

Mal 4:5 says, "Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet BEFORE the coming of the great and dreadful DAY OF THE LORD." Elijah and Moses will prophesy during the first half of the 70th week of Dan. 9:27. For more details, see Rev. 11:1-12.

In the 1st century AD, Peter said, "the DAY OF THE LORD will come (in the future) as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up (2Pe 3:10). This has not taken place yet, but it will begin as this age ends.

Day of the Lord passages in the Tanach apply to the coming Millennium. If we didn't read the Old Testament with the New, we would miss some details of the prophesy.

Leslie Bell wrote the following to a minister, who FWD it to me.
"> > Dear Leslie: I am a sixty year old brother in Christ. I told you up front that I was a Minister of the Gospel. Why on earth do you continue to 'sound-off' to me the way that you have been?

*Leslie: I am a 46 year old mere Christian, and I am writing because you don't seem to understand, and I feel it's absolutely essential that you do.

> Have I really offended you to the point that you trample my words under your feet?

*Leslie: Not at all. You haven't offended me at all. I am concerned for your soul, because killing is sin. Supporting killing is sin. It is also not the way Christ lived. I am spending tremendous amounts of time because I want to ensure you are raptured. Marilyn and the author who wrote "Be The Bride" are sure that if there is any known confessed sin left unconfessed at the Rapture, those Christians will miss it. I suppose that if one really believed with all their heart and soul that killing and supporting killing is completely okay for Christians, this wouldn't qualify as an unconfessed sin and that person might well make it.

What I am afraid of is that every Christian knows the truth, that the Holy Spirit places in them a conscience that makes them realize deep down that killing and supporting killing and war is wrong, and that there really isn't any way for a Christian to do so without losing the Rapture."
> > Leslie said, "Marilyn and the author who wrote "Be The Bride" are sure that if there is any known confessed sin left unconfessed at the Rapture, those Christians will miss it."

She put words in my mouth that I have not said and that I disagree with. What I have said is that we haven't been told how much oil of the Holy Spirit we have to possess to be taken up in the Rapture. Therefore, we should be filled with the Holy Spirit to be sure. Eph 5:18 says, "be filled with the Spirit." Agape

Incoming email from Rich Pope

Marilyn, In a recent post you wrote...
> > Yeshua HaMashiach (Jesus Christ, the Redeemer) is the same as Yahweh of hosts (the Redeemer) in Isa. 44:6.

1) Yeshua Ha Mashiach doesn't translate into Jesus Christ, the Redeemer. It means Jesus the Messiah. That's all.

2) Yeshua is Aramaic and means "Yahweh is our Salvation."

3) Yahweh is NOT Yeshua as you stated. They have two different names with two different meanings. Rich Pope

My reply

> > 1) Yeshua Ha Mashiach doesn't translate into Jesus Christ, the Redeemer. It means Jesus the Messiah. That's all.

I didn't say it translates that way. I said, "Yeshua HaMashiach (Jesus Christ, the Redeemer) is the same as Yahweh of hosts (the Redeemer) in Isa. 44:6."

What I mean is that YHWH the Redeemer is also known as Yeshua HaMashiach and as Jesus Christ. Let's test this by Scripture.

YHWH (Yahweh) is the Redeemer

Psa 19:14 (KJV) says, "Let the words of my mouth, and the meditation of my heart, be acceptable in thy sight, O LORD (YHWH, Yahweh), my strength (rock), and my REDEEMER."

YHWH (Yahweh) is the Redeemer, Messiah and Christ

Psa 19:15 (SE, Stone Edition). says, "May the expressions of my mouth and the thoughts of my heart find favor before You, HASHEM (lit., YHWH, YAHWEH), my Rock ('MESSIAH,' I Cor. 10:4 [HRV]; 'CHRIST,' [KJV]) and my REDEEMER."

I Cor. 10:4,6 (HRV, Hebraic-Roots Version) says, "they were drinking from the rock of the spirit that came with them, and THAT ROCK WAS THE MESSIAH....these [things] were an EXAMPLE FOR US."

I Cor. 10:4,6 (KJV) says, "they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and THAT ROCK WAS CHRIST....these things were OUR EXAMPLES."

> > 3) Yahweh is NOT Yeshua as you stated. They have two different names with two different meanings.

Yahweh is the Pre-incarnate Christ. Yeshua is the Incarnate Christ. II Cor. 5:19 (KJV) says, "GOD WAS IN CHRIST, reconciling the world unto himself." The CJB says, "GOD IN THE MESSIAH was reconciling mankind to himself." The HRV says, "ELOAH WAS IN THE MESSIAH who reconciled the world with his majesty."

Yeshua is both the Son of God and the Son of Man. He has two complete natures, that of man and that of God.

He is "Christ, the Son of the living God," Mt. 16:16 (KJV). "You are Messiah, the Son of the living Elohim," Mt. 16,16 (HRV).

Prov. 30:4-6 (SE) says, "Who [but Moses] ascended to heaven and descended? Who else gathered the wind in his palm? Who else tied the waters in a cloak? Who established all the ends of the earth? What is his name (YHWH), and what is his son's name (YESHUA, also LORD OF HOSTS, MASTER OF LEGIONS), if you know?"

Mt. 1:20-25 (HRV) says, "the angel appeared to him in a dream, saying, "Yosef son of David, fear not to take Miriam your wife, for that which will be born of her is from the Ruach HaKodesh; for from the Ruach HaKodesh she has conceived. And behold, she will bear a son, and you will call his name YESHUA; for he will save his people from all their sins. And all this was to fulfill what was spoken from YHWH by prophet Yeshayahu, saying, "Behold, the virgin will conceive, and bear a son, and will call his name Immanuel (meaning God with us). And Yosef awoke from his sleep, and did as the angel of YHWH had commanded him, and took her as his wife...and he called his name YESHUA."

Isa. 9:6 (SE) says, "a child (Yeshua) has been born to us (inheriting his human nature from his mother), a son (Son of God) has been given to us (inheriting his deity from his Father), and the dominion will rest on his shoulder."

Isa. 44:6 (SE) says, "Thus said HASHEM (YHWH, Yahweh), King of Israel AND its Redeemer, HASHEM (YHWH, Yahweh), Master of Legions (KJV has LORD of hosts): I am the first (YHWH King of Israel) AND I am the last (its Redeemer, YHWH Master of Legions, or LORD of hosts), and aside from Me there is no God."

Isa 47:4 (SE) says, "As for our REDEEMER, the LORD OF HOSTS IS HIS NAME, the Holy One of Israel." Psa 78:35 (SE) says, "God was their Rock, and THE MOST HIGH GOD THEIR REDEEMER."

Isa. 54:5 (SE) says, "your Master is your Maker, HASHEM (YHWH,Yahweh), MASTER OF LEGIONS, IS HIS NAME; YOUR REDEEMER is the Holy One of Israel; GOD OF ALL THE WORLD WILL HE BE CALLED."

Isa. 60:16 (SE) says, "then you will realize that I, HASHEM (YHWH, Yahweh), AM YOUR SAVIOR AND YOUR REDEEMER, the Mighty One of Jacob."

Truly, "God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself." (II Cor. 5:19 (KJV).

"What think ye of Christ? whose son is he?" (Mt. 22:42) (KJV). Agape

Incoming email

Greetings fellow studdents of Marilyn Agee.I'd like to take this time to share my feelings about Rapture skeptics that have had their screed published here and elsewhere.

There main rationale seems to be that any Rapture doctrine is a delusion meant to ensnare believers into a false hope.That believers who subscribe to these doctrines are somehow looking for an easy way out and neglecting the present burdens.

I have discovered that since I found my faith,steadily,and Marilyns website(5 yrs ago) as well as other ministers of the Word,I have probably shared the faith,with vigor,to those unbelievers that I would've otherwise neglected.The hope of salvation and His imminent return have done more to strengthen my faith and give me great pity for those who have not seen nor heard.Without the doctrine of His imminent and certain return,this faith would have no legs.Christianity would become an ancient curiosity without a more clear knowledge.Never knowing for certain when prophecy will be fulfilled should leave us everyready and prepared to see Him as He is,because we will be like Him.This state of mind is the pinnacle of faith and the more certain the Word becomes to us in these latter days the stronger that faith shines.I have no delusions about that.The signs will only become more understandable as the time approaches as it was to those who knew Him at His first advent.Thank you for your attention.

My reply

It sounds reasonable, but our soldiers know for sure. Maybe we will hear more about it later on. If it actually happened that way, it would be pretty good proof of whose side God is on. I have heard that there were enough supernatural events in 1948 and 1967 to show us that God helped Israel win. In 1948, Israel had very few weapons to fight with. In 1967, I remember the lines of tanks and heavy equipment left in the desert by retreating enemy forces. I have wondered what spooked those drivers. Something did, and I don't think it was just the Israeli soldiers. No one can destroy Israel now, because they can't fight God.

Zech. 12:1-9 says, "The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him. Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem. And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth (the UN army headed by Gog) be gathered together against it. In that day, saith the LORD, I will smite every horse with astonishment, and his rider with madness: and I will open mine eyes upon the house of Judah, and will smite every horse of the people with blindness. And the governors of Judah shall say in their heart, The inhabitants of Jerusalem shall be my strength in the LORD of hosts their God. In that day will I make the governors of Judah like an hearth of fire among the wood, and like a torch of fire in a sheaf; and they shall devour all the people round about, on the right hand and on the left: and Jerusalem shall be inhabited again in her own place, even in Jerusalem. The LORD also shall save the tents of Judah first, that the glory of the house of David and the glory of the inhabitants of Jerusalem do not magnify themselves against Judah. In that day shall the LORD defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and he that is feeble among them at that day shall be as David; and the house of David shall be as God, as the angel of the LORD before them. And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem." Agape

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The correct interpretation of Kill in that commandment is MURDER. That solves a lot of controversy.

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