Pro and Con 102, Uploaded 5-22-98

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I am a pastor of a church in --- England. I have enjoyed your web site and the exciting information on prophecy. I am a little unclear as to how you arrived at the date of the rapture and thus not sure how to respond to it. I know I am and will continue to tell the saints to be always ready but to give them a precise date would be inappropriate. What if your calculations are wrong? Are you so sure that you have closed your bank account and sorted all your affairs? If you are wrong would you feel able to apologize to those who placed some trust in your academic and theological integrity? I admire your stance and sheer boldness to stick to your date, more than what I would do to be honest-but I have no witness that setting such a date is what the Lord would want. I began by saying I am not sure how I respond to the date of the rapture-I think I do now. I respond with ambivalence.

My reply

I understand how hard it is for a pastor to preach a certain date. They have a reputation to uphold and are afraid to be wrong. Telling people to always be ready is not enough. They do not see the urgency of doing it NOW!

On Saturday, May 23 or Sunday, May 24, whichever time you worship, you could preach a "What if?" sermon. Why not say that there are several people that think that the Rapture might be the following Pentecost Sunday. Say that just in case, this is what we need to do now--confess our sins as per I John 1:9 and forgive everyone that has ever wronged us. Then we have heeded our wake-up call and are ready whenever it comes. II Peter 1:4-11 would be a good follow-up. If we do those things, we shall never fail. Even Psa. 15 has a list for comparison.

Just in case it happens, people need a wake-up call. They need to feel the urgency to do what needs to be done today, not next month or next year or sometime.

> What if your calculations are wrong?

Then I will do what I have been doing ever since I found out in 1968, wait patiently until it happens. It has to happen before the Tribulation begins on the Feast of Weeks in 2001.

In between, there are four Jewish grace years, 5758, 5759, 5760 and 5761, according to the parable of the barren fig tree in Luke 13:6-9. I think the temple will be built in those years because sacrificing starts at the beginning of the Tribulation.

The MARC is now being given our soldiers in basic training. It is being introduced into 20 countries right now. Mondex, of which MasterCard owns 51%, spent 1.5 million dollars for a study to see where was the best place to implant a rice-sized micro chip. They found that only two places were feasible, under the hairline on the forehead or on the back of the right hand. That tallies with Rev. 13:16 perfectly.

> Are you so sure that you have closed your bank account and sorted all your affairs?

Jesus said to occupy until he comes. My bank account is so tiny, it doesn't matter. It is mainly for paying for the house, car, Web page and utility bills. I don't really know what affairs to sort. We have wills, but they won't amount to a hill of beans. When people are missing, I think our government does not consider the person dead for seven years. That will be well into the Tribulation.

> If you are wrong would you feel able to apologize to those who placed some
> trust in your academic and theological integrity?

Of course.

> but I have no witness that setting such a date is what the Lord would want

But I do. Not only did He put a rectangle of light on Jer. 50:2 that said to publish and conceal not, he spoke to me and said, "Be still and know that I am God." I would be afraid not to publish what I have learned. I want to be everyone's wake-up call. What have we lost if we are ready and filled with the Holy Spirit? We are then earning rewards in Heaven. Otherwise, we are as a clanging cymbal. It is just as with Salvation. We have nothing to lose and everything to gain.

How I arrive at the date of the Rapture:

Psa. 122:3,4 (New Jerusalem Bible) says, "Jerusalem, built as a city, in ONE UNITED WHOLE, there the tribes go up, the tribes of Yahweh, A SIGN for Israel to give thanks to the name of Yahweh."

When Israel grew leaves (Sinai, Gaza Strip, West Bank and Golan Heights) and fulfilled the fig tree parable of Mt. 24:32-34 in the Six-Day War of 1967, there was only one 40-year generation left. This war was the SIGN OF THE END OF THE AGE (Mt. 24:3). 1967 + 40 = 2007, the end of the age.

The millennial Day of the Lord begins on Tishri 1, 5768, the Feast of Trumpets, our Sept. 13, 2007 (Joel 2:1,2). Dan. 8:14's 2300 days (counted by Jewish inclusive reckoning) when the Jews can sacrifice at the temple plus the time that they cannot because the False Prophet desecrates it, start on the Feast of Weeks/Pentecost, Sivan 6, 5761, our May 28, 2001, and end on the Feast of Trumpets, Tishri 1, 5768. We have already outlived any other time within the forty-years of probation that any similar period equals 2300 days. There is no other.

The year 5768 must be a leap year, and it is, for the Second Advent is seven months later (Ezek. 39:12) on Nisan 1 (Ezek. 29:17,21; Hosea 6:3). Since the Jewish leap year is roughly every three years, this date cannot be slid backward or forward one or two years in either direction.

The time between the Pre-Trib Rapture and the beginning of the Seventieth Week of Daniel (the Tribulation) is presented in the parable of the barren fig tree (Israel See Lu. 13:6-9). The four Jewish years are Pentecost to Pentecost, 5758, 5759, 5760 and 5761 (our 1998, 1999, 2000 and 2001).

1998 has more going for it than any other year we have had. It is Israel's Jubilee Year. May 14, 1948, when Israel was resurrected, was Pentecost on the "Biblical" calendar, where only the new moon sighting is taken into consideration. The 50th year will begin this Pentecost, May 31, 1998. As it so happens, the "Biblical," "Hebraic" and "Talmudic" calendars all have Pentecost on Sunday, May 31, in 1998.

1998 is the 6000th year since man began to be tested as mortal and knowing both good and evil.

Counted from the time that Israel took the temple area in 1967, the Levitical priesthood is now over 30 and ready to officiate in the temple. Now, we are believer priests in the spiritual temple of the Holy Spirit. When we are raised up, it is time for the literal temple to be raised up (rebuilt) and Israel to take over the priesthood.

God's clock for Israel stopped on Pentecost in 30 AD. It would be just like the Lord to restart Israel's clock on Pentecost in 2001. There are seven years of Daniel's seventy weeks of years yet to run. On that day, the Holy Spirit will probably be poured out on Moses and Elijah to empower them for their 1260 days of prophesying during the first half of the Tribulation. If we back up the four Jewish years in the parable of the barren fig tree, we arrive at Pentecost for the Rapture of the Church also. In 30 AD, the Spirit of Christ came to fill the disciples on Pentecost. I think Christ will come to catch up those that are filled with the Holy Spirit on Pentecost this year.

Jack Langford saw something that I had not seen and came up with the same date for the Rapture, Pentecost, May 31, 1998 (Jerusalem time). Our only difference is that he thinks it will be at 9:00 AM, as when Peter was preaching on Pentecost in 30 AD. However, Acts 2:6 says, "Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together." That took some time for the news to travel and the multitude to assemble. I think it is midnight (Jerusalem time), all in a moment. We see it in the parable of the 10 virgins, also when Paul and Silas were in jail. At midnight, there was an earthquake. In a moment all the doors were opened and all shackles fell off. Things happened to Israel for examples for us upon whom the ends of the ages has come.

What Jack saw is this. What was played out in days in 30 AD is now being played out in years. In 30 AD, there was the Crucifixion (portrayed by the holocaust, burnt offering), the Resurrection after 3 days, and Pentecost on the 50th day. In our days, the Holocaust of the Jews (called the Crucifixion of the Jews in some books) ended in 1945. Three years later, Israel was resurrected. Fifty years later, Christ comes to the Church on Pentecost.

I am not a prophet, nor have I ever said the Rapture has to happen on this date. I have studied hard ever since about 1957, and this is how it looks to me. Study the scriptures to see if these things are so. I prayed for the Lord to give me understanding of all the things he wanted man to know about the Bible, all the deep things--everything.

My reply

To Abraham Forum's discussion of covenant of promises given Abraham:

When I read the above "covenant of promises," the thought crossed my mind that you might be interested in knowing the number of years in the different Dispensations. Man's test is always to obey God, but God's instructions were somewhat different in each Dispensation.

Innocence 40 years
Conscience 1616
Human Government 427
Promise 430
Law 1559
Grace 1977
Kingdom 1000
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Total 7049

Adam's 40 years (# of testing and probation, as Yeshua was tested 40 days) in Eden are outside the grand plan of the ages. The ages began to be counted when man began to be tested as mortal and knowing both good and evil. (Age of Gentiles = 2000 years, Age of Jews = 2000 years, and Age of Church = 2000 years). There are 9 years on the Gregorian calendar between the Rapture of the Church and the beginning of the millennial Day of the Lord. On the Jewish calendar, it is from Sivan 6, 5758 to Tishri 1, 5768.

The years between the Rapture of the Church and the beginning of the Seventieth Week of Daniel are explained in the parable of the barren fig tree in Luke 13:6-9. Those years, Pentecost to Pentecost, are 5758, 5759, 5760 and 5761. I believe the Seventieth Week of Daniel will appropriately begin on the Feast of Weeks in 5761 (May 28, 2001) IF enough ripe figs are not found on the fig tree (Israel) when the Lord checks each of those four grace years. I expect the literal temple will begin to be raised up as the spiritual temple of the Holy Spirit is raised up to Heaven. It will be built during these grace years because sacrificing begins at the beginning of the Seventieth Week of Daniel.

Remember that you Messianic Jews will not be here during those years if you have enough oil of the Holy Spirit to be taken up in the Pre-Trib Rapture of the Bride of Yeshua. Believers are all one body now. This is talking about those green figs left behind.

All the remnant of Israel will be saved in a day, Tishri 1, 5768. From that day on, Israel will be blessed and will be a blessing to the world. That is Coronation Day in Heaven. Yeshua will receive his golden crown and his Kingdom. He will return to Earth the following Nisan 1 (Ezek. 29:17,21), the first day of the Jewish Regnal and Sacred Year. Regnal because he is King of kings, Sacred because he is Lord of lords. He will take office on the same day as other Hebrew kings officially took office. At that time he will sit in the tabernacle of David, judging and hasting righteousness.

See you in glory, hopefully this coming Pentecost. Make yourselves ready just in case. In His abundant love, Marilyn

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I have spent the last three months reading bits and pieces of your site since I stumbled over it. It is a marvelous inspiration! I am 27 and was raised Pentecostal. Much of what you write goes hand in hand with what I was taught and there is much that greatly differs .... but I feel it may be because any organized religion restrains the Holy Spirit from providing full insight. Thank God for those who are determined to seek Him and for those blessed with discernment!

I have a very dear friend my age that does not believe in God as I do. He meerly considers "God" as a universal presence kind of like nature and nothing more. It is so hard to discuss things with him because he accepts so many things purely on a scientific basis since his major was in science. With all my struggles to provide some "science" of His truth for my friend, one thing remains so difficult to answer. That is this: the concept of free will. He says that if God knows all and has set a grand design then there never was free will. Pre-destiny is not free will. He says free will can not be punished or it is not free will.

How can you help me with this matter?

My reply

My dad taught science. He once told me that he found nothing in science that interfered with his belief in Christ. You see, he had the smarts to discern what of science to accept and what not to accept. All scientists do not agree on everything. My dad obviously did not accept evolution.

Here is the way I look at it. The way the scientific world works is that someone comes up with a theory. He publishes it and all the rest of the scientists take sides. One group is against, the other for. They argue the matter seemingly endlessly. Many real breakthroughs are not accepted in the lifetime of the one who found it out. Only later, is enough proof available to convince the skeptics. Look how long it took for continental drift to be accepted. I knew it was true long before it was accepted in the scientific world because I believed the Bible. Gen. 10:25 says of Peleg, "in his days was the earth divided." Most scientists do not have that advantage. They have to prove things without the Bible, without the wisdom of the one that created the earth and all that is in it. If they started with the Bible and built on that, they would get farther faster, but they won't do that.

Mary Ames has written a booklet, "Don't blame me if you go to Hell," from a scientific viewpoint that might help your friend. You can download it from her Web page: http://www.turningpointranch.org, or send me your mailing address and I will send you one.

> He says that if God knows all and has set a grand design then there never was
> free will. Pre-destiny is not free will. He says free will can not be
> punished or it is not free will.

God is the Sovereign of the Universe. What he says goes. He worked free will into his grand design. He made a plan to test mankind to see if they would obey him or not. He gave each a choice: will he or won't he believe in the Messiah/Saviour/Yeshua/Jesus Christ. A "No" vote is punished, yet that man had the right to say, "Yes." God made a special place for those that believe and a special place for those that do not believe. In Old Testament days, man was to believe in the coming Messiah. In New Testament days, we are to believe in Jesus Christ. He was resurrected from the dead as proof of who he really was. "God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself" (II Cor. 5:19).

Acts 4:12 says, "Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved."

We have nothing to lose and everything to gain by accepting Christ. He paid for our sins on the cross. The soul that sinneth, it shall die. If we accept his death as a subtitute for our death, we can be saved from dying for our own sins. The wages of sin is death. At the moment that we accept Jesus as our Saviour, he baptizes us with his Holy Spirit. From that point on, we have eternal life. The only thing we can lose is our body. Man is spirit, soul and body. Believers will get a resurrection body too at the proper time in God's schedule.

One of the attributes of God is perfect justice. He can not let anyone squeek through that does not do what is decreed to be saved. That would not be fair to the rest. Those that deserve Heaven will go to Heaven. Those that deserve Hell will go to Hell. It is cut and dried. We can do nothing to change it. Without Christ, we are already on a slippery slide to Hell. With Christ, we are saved from Hell. Man must make a choice, and he can't sit on the fence. A no vote is a "NO!" vote. We must excercise our wills and definitely say, "Yes, I believe in Christ" to be saved.

"That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved" (Rom. 10:9).

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Are you aware of the fact that you are referred to as a "false teacher" by Hank Hannegraff of CRI? And if so, what are your thoughts on the matter? Have you already posted anything on your site concerning this?

My reply

I was not aware of it, but I knew when I went into this that some would be against me. I probably would have been reluctant to publish my findings, but the rectangle of light I saw on Jer. 50:2's "Declare ye among the nations, and publish, and set up a standard; publish, and conceal not" changed that. I am out on a limb for Jesus Christ. Time will tell whether I fly off my limb or get cut down. However, if I have to be a fool for something, I would rather be a fool for the Lord than for anything else.

Some people fail to display Christian love. That too is dangerous.

I Cor. 13:1-4 (NIV) says, "If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal....if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames, but have not love, I gain nothing. Love is patient, love is kind...It is not rude." One of the attributes of God is love. If we are filled with his Holy Spirit, how can we help but love, expecially the believers? If we are right about Christ, we can be wrong about other things and still make it to Heaven.

II Peter 1:4f gives us a list of things we should add to our faith "that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature." These are virtue, knowledge, temperance, patience, godliness, brotherly kindness, charity (agape, God's love). He "that lacketh these things is blind (like the Laodiceans), and cannot see afar off (Heaven)." If " ye do these things, ye shall never fall: For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ."

Only the Lord can judge who are Philadelphians and who are Laodiceans. I try to be careful how I treat another believer. We can agree to disagree agreeably and discuss the meaning of Scripture in His love. We do not all have to agree on everything. The only thing we have to agree on is that Christ is our Saviour.

The things that happened to Israel are examples or types for our admonition upon whom the ends of the ages have come. Jesus told the Pharisees that they had taken away the key of knowledge. That is being replayed in our days. We surely have our Pharisees that are so sure they know everything that they too take away the key of knowledge.

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God bless you for the work and time that you have devoted to the study of the Bible and the sharing of your findings with the world via the internet. Through your site and others I have come to believe that the Lord is about to rapture the church this May 31st. or shortly thereafter. Although I feel that my faith is firm and I am ready for the Lords return, I am concerned about my loved ones who have not studied and believed as I have for the past 25yrs.

My sisters have been exposed to the rapture teaching and I think that they can see some of the truth of the Lords soon return. However, I am not sure how to tell them about May 31st. My fear is that they may misunderstand and lose faith and that we (those watching for the rapture) will lose some credibility in there view if that is not the exact time of the rapture. How do I put it to them, what can I say that will even strengthen them while we all wait for the blessed event. Their religous background is not very biblical, they are R.C.

I feel very concerned for them and I am also concerned that I would be held accountable by the Lord for not giving them the warning that the rapture is that close.

Can you offer any advice.

My reply

Thanks for all your kind words.

The R.C. church teaches about Christ, but seems to not tell people to pray and ask Christ to be their own personal Saviour. Getting baptized as an infant, being a member of the church and attending church will not save us. We each have to exercise our will and make a definite decision for Christ. What better way to make it definite than to pray and tell the Lord you accept Him?

Another thing that crosses my mind is that of going to confession. I John 1:9 shows that we should confess our sins to God, then He "is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness."

If we do these things, we are as wise virgins waiting for the Bridegroom (Christ) that could come very soon. The exact date is not the important thing, being ready is what matters.

Psa. 122:3,4 in the Jerusalem Bible says, "Jerusalem built as a city IN ONE UNITED WHOLE (which happened in the Six-Day War of 1967), there the tribes go up, the tribes of Yahweh, A SIGN for Israel to give thanks."

The Six-Day War, when the fig tree (Israel) grew leaves (Mt. 24:32-34), was the Sign of the End of the Age (Mt. 24:3). From that time, there is only one 40-year generation to the end of this age and the beginning of the millennial Day of the Lord. We only have 9 years left in which all the end-of-the-age events must take place. The Rapture cannot be far off for the temple in Jerusalem must be there as sacrificing starts at the beginning of the Tribulation.

The catching up of I Thess. 4:13-18 is near, and we must be sure we have accepted Christ and confessed any sins committed after that. We should get ready JUST IN CASE it could take place this next Pentecost....One thing that makes this year's Pentecost a good possibility is that 1998 is Israel's Jubilee Year, when all debts were to be forgiven and the land returned to its owner.

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Re: Mary (Marilyn Agee) First of all I would like to commend you on a fine job that you do in keeping your website up-to-date. The Lord has really blessed you. I am also amazed at another maybe overlooked aspect of His perfect ways.

He (Jesus) was born unto a virgin (Mary) when He came into the world. And now he has used another "Mary" who is married as He is going out of this world! What a blessing He is to you.

The Lord led me to your site about a month ago, while I was searching for the Rapture. After reading your testimonial and articles I have also counted myself and family (4 kids, wife of 16 years) to be watching as the day approaches. It truly changes your perspective when you walk in the light of truth eagerly watching and waiting for that "Blessed Hope" to arrive. I work at ---- and have been telling everyone I know (Christian and Non) about the soon return of the Lord. We have been sending out copies of your articles to hundreds of people in our town.

I pray that you are in good health and I can't wait to meet you there.

Sincerely, Your brother in Christ

My reply

Thanks for your kind comments and for sending out articles to others. We may only get one chance to be part of the Bride of Christ. We must not muff it. We have got to be ready--NOW.

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