Pro and Con 1022

Posted 5-29-03


Putin and Chinese president Hu Jintao announce launch of $2.5b pipeline to carry Siberian oil into China. TWO LEADERS SIGN DECLARATION CALLING FOR CENTRAL UN ROLE IN IRAQ AND A MULTI-POLAR WORLD ORDER.

Incoming email, Re: D'var Torah (Commentary)

I think that there exists a high likelihood of Rapture around this coming Savuo{t}s --(June 5, 6, or 7)

My reply

I'm hoping for Pentecost, but if not then, the time of firstripe grapes (Sivan 30, Monday, June 30, 2003). That is when the spies entered the Promised Land. Nu. 13:20 says that it was "the time of the firstripe grapes."

Isa 18:5,6 says, "afore the harvest (i.e., before the vintage of Elul and Tishri), when the bud is perfect, and the sour grape is ripening in the flower (firststripe grapes, Sivan 30), he shall both CUT OFF THE SPRIGS ( i.e., having fruit) WITH PRUNING HOOKS, AND TAKE AWAY (i.e., rapture them, catch them up to Heaven) and cut down the branches (i.e. that have no fruit). THEY SHALL BE LEFT together unto the fowls of the mountains, and to the beasts (the Beast and False Prophet, Rev. 13) of the earth: and the fowls shall SUMMER UPON THEM, and all the beasts of the earth shall winter upon them." Isa. 57:1-3 (LXX) says, "See how the just man has perished (abad, escaped), and no one lays it to heart: and RIGHTEOUS MEN ARE TAKEN AWAY (ACAPH, EVACUATED), and no one considers: for THE RIGHTEOUS HAS BEEN REMOVED OUT OF THE WAY OF INJUSTICE" (i.e., in the Tribulation).

Song of Sol. 2:10-13 (Stone Edition) says, "my Beloved (CHRIST) CALLED OUT AND SAID TO ME, "ARISE, MY LOVE (THE BRIDE OF CHRIST), MY FAIR ONE, AND GO FORTH. For the winter of bondage has passed, the deluge (RAIN, i.e., the latter rain of Nisan) of suffering is over and gone. THE RIGHTEOUS blossoms are seen in the land, THE TIME OF YOUR SONG (THE NEW SONG OF REV. 5:9, SUNG AFTER THE PRE-TRIB RAPTURE) HAS ARRIVED, and the voice of your guide (turtledove, i.e., Christ) is heard in the land. The fig tree (Israel) has formed ITS FIRST SMALL FIGS (fruit, that is what the Lord has been waiting on; the 4th year [2002] of the parable of the barren fig tree in Luke 13:6-9 is over), READY FOR ASCENT (THE PRE-TRIB RAPTURE) TO THE TEMPLE (IN HEAVEN); the vines are in blossom, their fragrance declaring they are ready for libation. ARISE, MY BELOVED, MY FAIR ONE, AND GO FORTH!"

Song of Sol. 2:10-15 (LXX) says, "My kinsman (redeemer, i.e., Christ)answers, and says to me, RISE UP, COME (i.e., 'COME UP HITHER,' Rev. 4:1), my companion (the Bride of Christ), my fair one, my dove. For, behold, the winter is past, the rain is gone, it has departed (i.e., Nisan, time of the latter rain is over). The flowers are seen in the land; THE TIME OF PRUNING HAS ARRIVED (i.e., THE TIME OF THE RAPTURE AND THE CUTTING OFF OF THE FOOLISH LAODICEAN VIRGINS); the voice of the turtle-dove (Christ) has been heard in our land (i.e., saying 'Come up hither,' Rev. 4:1). The fig-tree (Israel) has put forth its young figs (fruit, i.e., the Messianic Jews), the vines put forth the tender grape (one bunch of the Bride group, i.e., the 1st of 2 Raptures), they yield a smell: ARISE, COME, my companion, my fair one, my dove; yea, COME. Thou art my dove, in the shelter of the rock (in Christ), near the wall: shew me thy face, and cause me to hear thy voice; for thy voice is sweet, and thy countenance is beautiful. Take us the little foxes that spoil the vines: for our vines put forth tender grapes." Agape

Incoming email, Re: Gladness*****

Gladness are in our hearts
that you are BACK!!!!!!
Our Prayers were answered
til that blessed time.

My reply

Thanks. Agape

Incoming email, Re: Pro/Con 1021

I thank God that you are able to post your Pro/Con's again. I pray that the pain is complete gone, and that you are stronger and in better health than before. I always knew how much I appreciated your work, and the anointing God has placed on you, but knowing the closeness of time really had me concerned for what you were going thru. Yes, there are other teachers who put information out there, but most seem to only focus on certain aspects or view points. Because people write to you, and you answer, it brings immediate news happenings into the dialog, compared to scripture and with a record that we all can review by looking back a previous P/C's.

I just thank God for your healing, for the work you have done, for the blessing it has been to all of us! He is an Awesome God!!! Agape

My reply

Thanks for your prayers and kind words. I sure am more rested. The pain diminishes day by day. That's encouraging. So far, with my heels on the floor, I can't raise my right toes up as high as my left. Hope that will go away too, but if it doesn't, I can manage. Agape

Note: This is one of those days we really have to thank the Lord for arranging events for us. He saw us through the day safely. The used van Dave bought was not ready for pickup until today. Today was the first time I had driven in a month. The Lord knew that this was the first time I could do this. We had to go over 90 miles, from Riverside to Woodland Hills. Then I had to drive our car home, and Dave had to drive the van home. I managed, though my foot felt like wood. The Lord kept my back and hip from hurting as long as I was sitting in the car. Only when I got out and walked did I begin to have pain. When we got home, Ed wanted to know if we went through Glendale. Yes, right on Freeway 134 where the 5 Freeway and other nearby off ramps were closed because of a man shooting at cars on the Freeway. I saw a Police car facing me to bar one exit. A Police car with lights and siren went around me, stopped traffic ahead, crossed all lanes of traffic and parked by a truck. I knew something was going on, but had no idea what. Thank you Lord for protecting us and making this trip possible. In Jesus' name, Amen. Now I can drive Ed to Cardiac Rehab again. He had to miss too many times while I couldn't get him there. I can't see needing surgery now. Agape

Incoming email

FWD: Viewer's Guide: Strange Solar Eclipse on May 31
By Joe Rao

My reply

Thanks. When this type of eclipse is seen from the right spot, it looks like a gold wedding ring. It may be a sign that the Bridegroom will come for the Bride of Christ seven days later.

Noah knew what was coming 7 days before it began to rain (symbol of the pouring out of the Holy Spirit). The Annular Solar Eclipse of May 31, 2003, will take place 7 days before June 7 (Sivan 7, Pentecost).

That may be why Pres. Bush is now pushing so hard to get the peace covenant confirmed (gabar, strengthened) "with many" (the UN, EU, US and the rest of the mideast quartet).

See: Israel Accepts Roadmap Amid Heavy U.S. Pressure

Incoming email, Re: 2,000 years, from Jim Bramlett - 5-28-03

Since 1972, I have been intrigued that we are at what the Bible refers to as the end of the age.(not end of the world). I am not alone. Probably many millions agree.

One major reason for this conviction is the prophesied rebirth of Israel, which took place in 1948, and the recapture of Jerusalem in 1967, prophesied by Jesus in Luke 21:24, and the "sprouting of the fig tree"(Israel) in that same war with the taking of the Golan Heights, the West Bank and the Gaza Strip.

But another major reason is the historic significance of the years since both Adam and Christ, and the ancient writings.

While scholars may debate and try to explain or deny it, it is a fact that biblical chronology describes about 6,000 years from Adam to (approximately) the year A.D. 2000. Even for those who may not believe it literally, the late author George T. Curle points out that at the least, they are the revealed.number of years given in Scriptures, obviously for a purpose.

The six creation days of Genesis were undoubtedly prophetic of a planned six "millennial days" of human history, followed by the seventh, or Sabbath, Millennium. "One day is with the Lord as a thousand years" (2 Peter 3:8). God did not require seven days to complete creation. He could have done it in a microsecond or less. The seven days were obviously prophetic, a picture of His planned 6,000-year history of man. (Man was created on the 6th day, 6 is the number of man, 666 is the number of the man-beast, so 6,000 is probably man's allotted time.)

The right of "dominion" over the earth that God gave Adam in Genesis 1:28 was no doubt what Charles Capps calls a 6,000-year lease -- six millennial days -- the time period established for man's rule. After the earth lease has expired and a possible transition period, Christ, the last Adam (1 Corinthians 15:45), will return and assume dominion of the earth as ruling King during the seventh Millennium, having legally purchased back the lease and dominion with His own blood. This would follow the 2,000 years when "God first visited the Gentiles (nations) to take out of them a people for His name" (Acts 15:14). The possible transition period would provide a cleansing of the earth, what we call the Tribulation. Solomon's reign was a type of Millennium, and it began with a cleansing. Or, the transition might simply be a parenthetical period on God's calendar between the sixth and seventh millennia.

I am especially intrigued that early Christian writers held that at the end of 6,000 years of history, Christ would return and reign for 1,000 years (referred to as the Millennium). These included Barnabas (c. A.D. 100), Justin Martyr and Irenaeus (c. A.D. 150), Lactantius (c. A.D. 325), and Methodius, Bishop of Tyre (c. A.D. 300). (Even some ancient rabbis wrote that Messiah would come after 6,000 years.)

For example, Barnabas wrote: "As there had been 2,000 years from Adam to Abraham, and 2,000 from Abraham to Christ; so there will be 2,000 years for the Christian era and then would come the Millennium."

I noted today that Barnabas did not say 2,000 years "from Christ's birth," but "for the Christian era." The Christian era began on the day of Pentecost, A.D. 30-33 (very knowledgeable people smarter than I disagree on the exact year.).

Some believe the 2,000 years of the Christian era are not modern 365.24-day years, but prophetic, or "God-years" of 360 days each, beginning with the year of Christ's crucifixion, which scholars debate as from A.D. 30 to 33. Converting 2,000 modern years to prophetic years is by multiplying 2,000 by 360 then dividing by 365.24, the result of which is 1,971.3 years. If you add 1,971.3 years to A.D. 30-33, you get A.D. 2001 to 2004.)

If Barnabas was correct and Gregorian years apply, we may have until A.D. 2030-2033 to wait. If true, I think I'll go fishing, or do something else other than watch.

But if Barnabas was correct and prophetic years apply, the 2,000-year period may end in 2003-2004. Now that keeps me interested!

I may be wrong, but it seems to me that the rush of world events, including the events surrounding God's time clock, Israel, are too much on fast-forward to wait until 2030-2033.

That is why I am watching, and writing this message. Jim

Church father Irenaeus wrote concerning a belief of the early church: "For the day of the Lord is as a thousand years; and in six days created things were completed; it is evident, therefore, that they will come to an end at the sixth thousand years." Lactantius, tutor of the son of the Roman Emperor Constantine, stated in his Book of Divine Institutes, Chapter 14: "Let the philosophers know that the six thousandth year is not yet completed; and when this number is completed, the consummation must take place."

Later, in A.D. 1552, Bishop Latimer wrote: "The world was ordained to endure, as all learned men affirm, 6,000 years. Now of that number, there be passed 5,552 years (as of A.D. 1552), so that there is no more left but 448 years (ending in A.D. 2000)."

(Some scholars actually count the 6,000 years of Bible history as ending on Rosh Hashana, 1999, just before the year 2,000.)

In the 17th century, Archbishop Ussher had access to many ancient church manuscripts that were lost in the burning of early Irish churches during the Irish wars. In A.D. 1650, in Latin, he wrote The Chronology on the Old and New Testament in which he calculated that the Millennium would begin in A.D. 1997. He may not have been far off the mark.

The writings of other church fathers such as Victorinus, Bishop of Petau and Hippotylus support the argument that the apostles and the early church believed and taught that the Millennium would commence at the end of 6,000 years.

My reply

Thoughts about the 6000 years made up of three 2000-year ages

The OT Bible Chronology seems to show that Adam and Eve were created on Friday, Elul 29, the Eve of Trumpets. God rested the next day, which was the Saturday Sabbath, the Feast of Trumpets and Tishri 1 in BC 4044. That would have been 283 BJE (before the Jewish Era, i.e., before the present Jewish Calendar began Oct. 7, BC 3761. Therefore, on our calendar, the first year of OT Bible Chronology seems to have been BC 4044/43.

The Bible draws a parallel between Adam and Jesus Christ. 1Cor. 15:45-47 says, "The FIRST MAN ADAM was made a living soul; the LAST ADAM (Jesus Christ) was made a quickening spirit. Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. The FIRST MAN is of the earth, earthy: the SECOND MAN is the Lord from heaven."

The number 40 means trial, testing and probation. The first Adam seems to have been tried by Satan for 40 years, as the Second Adam was tried 40 days. During their trials of being tempted of the devil, the first Adam ate, the Second Adam did not eat. He fasted 40 days and 40 nights (Mt. 4:2).

Though not always applicable, there are times that days can stand for years, as in Eze. 4:6. It says, "thou shalt bear the iniquity of the house of Judah forty days: I have appointed thee each day for a year" (i.e., from 30 to 70 AD).

The 40 years of probation followed by Adam's judgment may foreshadow another 40 years of probation in our days preceding the Judgment Seat of Christ on the first day of the millennial Day of the Lord.

In innocence, Adam seems to have been tested 40 years, just as Saul, David and Solomon each were tested during their 40-year reigns. If so, Adam would have left the Garden of Eden in BC 4004/03, when the Dispensation of Innocence ended with judgment. Adam and Eve were then cast out of the Garden. At this point, mankind began to be tested differently, as mortals that know both good and evil.

I think another 40-year time of testing and probation started with the Sign of the End of the Age, the Six-Day War of 1967, when Israel grew leaves fulfilling the fig tree parable of Mt. 24:32-34. This 40 years will end as the millennial Day of the Lord begins on the Feast of Trumpets, Tishri 1, 5768.

6000 years from BC 4004/03 brings us to 1997/1998 AD (the Jewish 5758). There would be 2000 years of testing for the Age of the Gentiles, 2000 years of testing for the Age of the Jews, and 2000 years of testing for the Age of the Church.

Since the 40 years runs from the Six-Day War in 1967 to Sept. 13, 2007 (Tishri 1, 5768), maybe the 6000 years ending in 1997/1998 was to be followed by an intense 10-year span of further testing. Time will tell. Rev. 2:10 says, "ye shall have tribulation TEN DAYS."

Within the end-time decade from Tishri 1, 5758 to Tishri 1, 5768 (the first day of the millennial Day of the Lord and the 40th year since the Sign of the End of the Age, the Six-Day War of 1967), there seems to be an especially intense time of trial for the remnants of all three groups, Gentiles, Jews and the Church. Rev. 3:10 shows that a time of trial "shall come upon ALL THE WORLD, TO TRY THEM that dwell upon the earth."

The last seven years of the decade 5758 to 5768 seems to be the seventieth week of Dan. 9:27. However, the latter half of this week of years, the Great Tribulation, is to be shortened. By how much, I don't know. Anyway, the Pre-Trib Rapture seems close. Current events fit the prophecies. The Bride is ready, watching and waiting for her Bridegroom.

Of course, I wonder if the Pre-Trib Rapture will be in 5763. If so, it will take place before Tishri 1, 5764 (Sept. 27, 2003). That could fit a Pentecost Rapture this Sivan 6 or 7 (June 6 or 7). Seven days before Sivan 7 will be the annular solar eclipse on May 31. To those that can view it, a gold ring will appear.

Just as Noah had 7 days of warning before the rain came down, a gold wedding ring could be a sign that the Bridegroom is coming for His Bride in 7 days. We will know soon. Agape

Incoming email

The Cutting Edge Newsletter, by David Bay ...Earthquakes - This past week saw a real resurgence of earthquakes in "divers places" throughout the world. * May 22 -- Algeria, 6.7, leaving over 2200 dead and many thousands homeless * May 26 - Eastern Indonesian island, island of Morotai in North Maluku. 7.0 on Richter Scale - Quake 33 kilometers under the seabed * May 25 - Japan hit with quake, followed by 213 aftershock quakes, 6.4 Richter Scale * May 25 - Taiwan hit by quake, 4.8 Richter Scale * May 26 -- San Francisco area, hit by quakes 4.8 and 3.4 * May 26 - Earthquake measuring 4.2 jolted Iran's southwestern Khuzestan Province * May 25 - Earthquake with an intensity of 3.5 shook the city of Razan, south of Qazvin province, Iran Thus, you can see that earthquakes occurring in the same close time frame -- in "divers places", different localities -- is occurring. With so many other indicators flashing End of the Age and appearance of Antichrist, another major sign, earthquakes, is now on the increase also. We must be aware, as Luke 21:36, quoted above, tells us to be, for we must be "aware of the time of our visitation"...

Incoming email, Re: The 6000 years and return of Christ

I live in Norway.
I saw your pages. I send the artichle about the 6000 years and return of Christ about 2028

I have read your notes.There are some mistakes. The most important is the year terah got Abraham.
Genesis 11.26 is clear .He was 70 years old.
please read my artichles.2028 is the Jubilee an 6000 years after Adam.
there are many with the same opinion.

I can give you a dusin more adresses if you want to.
If the 6000 years has already passed,the picture is of no relevance.( 6000-1000)


NOTE: The last URL is mine. I don't agree with him.

My reply

You are assuming that Abram was the firstborn of Terah. He wasn't. The son that is to be in the lineage of Jesus is listed first, regardless of the order of birth.

The same kind of thing is also found in Gen. 10:1 and 5:32. Shem is listed first of the sons of Noah, but he was the second in order of birth. Again, the son that is to be in the lineage of Jesus is listed first.

Adam's first son was Cain, his second Abel (Gen. 4:1,2). His third son was Seth. Yet Gen. 5:3, taken alone, could make us jump to the conclusion that Adam's first son was Seth. He wasn't.

Why isn't it all super easy to understand? Isa 28:13 explains that "the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken." Dan. 12:10 says, "none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand."

1878 AH = 2165 BC Terah born when Nahor was 29 (Gen 11:24)
1996 AH = 2047 BC Peleg died when 239 (Gen 11:18,19). "in his days was the earth divided," the continents split apart.

Hebrew Patriarchs

2008 AH = 2035 BC Abram born when Terah was 130 (Gen 11:26-32; Gen 12:4; Acts 7:4).
DOUBLE CHECK: Terah was born in 1878 AH and lived to be 205 (Gen. 11:32). At his death, Abram left Haran, so he died in 2083 AH when Abram was 75. AH 2083 - 75 = 2008 AH, when Abram was born when Terah was 130. AH 2008 - 130 = 1878 AH, when Terah was born. Dr. Arnold D. Ehlert, head of BIOLA library when I began my studies in earnest, in his "Syllabus of Bible Chronology," said, "Up to this point there is perfect agreement in arriving at the date 2008 A.H. as the date of Abram's birth by Anstey, Panin and Ussher."...

2040 AH = 2003 BC. Beginning of third 1000-year Day and 2000-year Age of Jews, during which God will call out a people to inherit his land
2083 AH = 1960 BC Call of Abram, left Haran when 75 (Gen 12:4), Terah died at 205 (Gen 11:32) This was when Abram was promised the land of Canaan/Israel. Gen. 35:12: "And the land which I gave Abraham and Isaac, to thee (Jacob/Israel) I will give it, and to thy seed after thee will I give the land." Beginning of the 430-year Dispensation of Promise DOUBLE CHECK: Terah died when 205. (1878 AH + 205 = 2083 AH) 2093 AH Abram married Hagar when he had been in the land 10 years (Gen 16:3)
2094 AH = 1949 BC Ishmael born 1 year later when Abram was 86 (Gen 16:16)
2107 AH Abraham was 99 (Gen 17:16,17) 13 yrs later,when promised a son by Sarah
2108 AH = 1935 BC Isaac born 1 year later when Abraham was 100 (Gen 21:5) and Sarah 90 (Gen 17:17)
DOUBLE CHECK: Abraham 100. (2008 AH + 100 = 2108 AH)
2113 AH = 1930 BC Ishmael cast out (Gen 21:8-10) and Isaac weaned when 5. Call of Abram in 2083 AH + 430 = 2513 AH (Gal 3:17) the Exodus. AH 2513 - 400 = 2113 AH (Gen 15:13)
2145 AH Sarah died 32 years later when she was 127 (Gen 17:17; 21:5; 23:1) and when Isaac was 37 (127 - 90 = 37)
2148 AH = 1895 BC Isaac married Rebekah 3 yrs later when he was 40 (Gen 25:20)
DOUBLE CHECK: Isaac married when 40 (2108 AH + 40 = 2148 AH) 2168 AH Jacob and Esau born 20 years later when Isaac was 60 (Gen 25:26)
DOUBLE CHECK: Isaac was 60. (2108 AH + 60 = 2168 AH)
2183 AH Abraham died 15 years later at 175 (Gen 25:7)
DOUBLE CHECK: Abram died at 175. (2008 AH + 175 = 2183 AH) 2208 AH Esau married 25 years later when he was 40 (Gen 26:34)
DOUBLE CHECK: Esau married when 40. (2168 AH + 40 = 2208 AH)
2245 AH Jacob left home 37 yrs later for Padan Aram when he was 77 (Gen 30:25). When Jacob was 91 and had served Laban 14 yrs, Joseph was born. (91 - 14 = 77)
2252 AH Jacob married Leah and Rachel. He served 7 years before marriage for Leah and 7 years after for Rachel (Gen 29:21-28,30; 30:1,22,25,26; 31:38-41)
2259 AH Joseph born 7 years later when Jacob was 91 (Gen 30:25; 31:38-41). Jacob had served Laban 14 yrs when Joseph was born (91 - 14 = 77) (Gen 30:25)
2265 AH Jacob returned to Canaan 6 years later when he was 97 (Gen 31:41) and Joseph was 6.
DOUBLE CHECK: Jacob said, "Thus have I been twenty years in thy house; I served thee fourteen years for thy two daughters, and six years for thy cattle" (Gen 31:41). (2245 AH + 20 = 2265 AH)
2276 AH Joseph sold to Egypt 11 years later when he was 17 (Gen 37:1)
2288 AH Isaac died when 180 (Gen 35:28)
DOUBLE CHECK: Isaac died when 180. (2108 AH + 180 = 2288 AH) 2289 AH Joseph stood before Pharaoh 13 years later when he was 30 (Gen 41:46)
2296 AH End of 7 years of plenty (Jos 37; Gen 41:47). Joseph was 37 (Gen 41:29,30)
2298 AH = 1745 BC Jacob went to Egypt after 2 yrs of famine (Gen 45:6) when 130 (Gen 47:9), Joseph 39
2315 AH Jacob died 17 yrs later at 147 (Gen 47:28). Joseph was 56
DOUBLE CHECK: Jacob died at 147. (2168 AH + 147 = 2315 AH) 2369 AH Joseph died 54 yrs later at 110 (Gen 50:26)
DOUBLE CHECK: Joseph died at 110. (2259 AH + 110 = 2369 AH) Dr. Ehlert said, "The result arrived at is characterized by the accuracy and certainty of an exact science. It cannot be one year more. It cannot be one year less. This is so mathematically exact and so absolutely certain, that since Ussher proved that Terah was 130 when Abram was born, no chronologer, who accepts the text of the Old Testament, has ever made the period covered by the Book of Genesis from the Creation of Adam to the death of Joseph anything else but 2369 years. The only exception is R.G. Faussett, who supposes that Abraham left Haran, not as Scripture says, when his father Terah died, but after an interval of 2 years....Panin agrees with Anstey on all dates up to birth of Moses. He dates the 430 years from Abraham's 2nd covenant and gets 2457 AH instead of 2433 AH for birth of Moses" (a 24-year mistake).

His reply, Re: The 6000 years and return of Christ

Thanks for writing.
We agree that Jesus will come back. That is the most important. I am aware of the arguments that Terah was 130 years when he got Abraham.But I do not agree.

First I would like you to read from the book of Jasher:
Terah got Haran and Nakor when he was 38 and Abram when he was 70.

Abram is mentioned first in Genesis 11:26
Inside the period of 70 Terah had got all the three sons.
If you see the line you see that Sjelah got his son 35,Eber 30,Peleg 34,Reu 30,Nakor30,Terah 29
Abraham was very old when he got Isaac at 99.

The Jews all agree that Terah was 70 when he got Abraham I have been writing with the Jews in Oslo,Norway.

The 6000 years is not still gone.The 1000 years will come after.2028 is a Jubilee.Jesus became Messiaz in the 15 th year of Tiberius in a Jubilee when he read from the Jubilee prophecy in Esaias. Greetings

My reply

As for me, I'll stick with Scripture, God's word. I sure don't want to argue with God. He's always right.

Gen. 11:26 does not tell us how old Terah was when Abram was born, only that all three sons were born after Terah was 70. Gen. 11:32 and 12:4 reveal his age when Abram was born though.

Terah was born in 1878 AH.

Gen. 11:32 says, "the days of Terah were two hundred and five years: and Terah died in Haran." 1878 + 205 = 2083. Therefore, Terah died in 2083 AH, and Abram departed from Haran in 2083 AH.

Gen. 12:4 says, "Abram was SEVENTY AND FIVE years old when he departed out of Haran." 2083 - 75 = 2008. Therefore Abram was born in 2008 AH.

2008 - 1878 = 130. Therefore, Terah was 130 when Abram was born.

It is as Dr. Ehlert, head of the BIOLA library when I did my research, wrote: "Up to this point there is perfect agreement in arriving at the date 2008 A.H. as the date of Abram's birth by Anstey, Panin and Ussher." I agree with them.

> > The Jews all agree that Terah was 70 when he got Abraham

That doesn't mean that they are right. Many of them failed to recognize their Messiah too, even though Isa. 53 told them exactly what he would do.

We must go by Scripture, not people. Check out everything by comparing it with Scripture before accepting it as truth. Now maybe you can see why the book of Jasher is not included in the Bible. Agape

Incoming email, Re: Millennial Reign / Salvation

Where is it mentioned in the old testament about people receiving Christ during the 1st 100 years of millennial reign. Tim LaHaye eludes to it in one of his books, but now I cannot find the scripture.

My reply

Maybe this is why. Jer 31:34 says, "they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more." Agape

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