Pro and Con 1025

Posted 6-16-03

From 5 Doves site, Re: aliyahm614-3.htm
Aliyah Myers (14 June 2003)
"Message From Saddam Appoints July 17th As Revenge Day"
Carefully read the above article for yourself and see what sort of coincidence it is that Saddam Insane has appointed 17th July(Tammuz 17th) as the day of revenge. Also, notice the importance that this day has for Saddam Insane. The above message will be the strongest confirmation that Tammuz 17th is the appointed day for THE DAY OF THE LORD to begin. Also, just in case some might think it has nothing to do with the day of the Lord, they need to read the below verse which makes clear that the day of the Lord will begin in the Middle East and in Iraq, by the River Euphrates.

Jer. 46:10 For this is the DAY OF THE LORD GOD of hosts, a day of vengeance, that he may avenge him of his adversaries: and the sword shall devour, and it shall be satiate and made drunk with their blood: for the Lord GOD of hosts hath a sacrifice in the NORTH country by the RIVER EUPHRATES.

Shalom, Aliyah!!!

My reply

> > The above message will be the strongest confirmation that Tammuz 17th is the appointed day for THE DAY OF THE LORD to begin.

I don't see how the Day of the Lord could possibly start on Tammuz 17, 5763.

I call the Millennium the 1000-year Day of the Lord. It starts with the Day of God that is also the Day of God's Wrath.

2Peter 3:12 says, "Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the DAY OF GOD, wherein the heavens (atmospheric) being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?"

Isa 13:6 says, "Howl ye; for the DAY OF THE LORD is at hand; IT SHALL COME AS A DESTRUCTION FROM THE ALMIGHTY." It will come at the end of the shortened Great Tribulation.

The DAY OF THE LORD can't begin until after Elijah comes at the beginning of the Tribulation. Mal 4:5 says, "Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet BEFORE the coming of the great and dreadful DAY OF THE LORD."

I think the millennial Day of the Lord will begin on the Feast of Trumpets.

Joe 1:14,15 says, "Sanctify ye a fast (the fast, Day of Atonement, comes after the Ten days of Awe between Trumpets and Atonement), call a solemn assembly, gather the elders and all the inhabitants of the land into the house of the LORD your God, and cry unto the LORD, Alas for the day! for the DAY OF THE LORD is at hand, and as a DESTRUCTION FROM THE ALMIGHTY shall it come."

Joel 2:1,2 says, "Blow ye the TRUMPET in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the DAY OF THE LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand (it starts at 6 PM). A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of THICK DARKNESS, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong (Gog's army of Eze. 38); there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations."

Zech 14:1-3 says, "Behold, the DAY OF THE LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee. For I will gather ALL NATIONS (the UN army led by Gog) against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city. Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle."

Concerning the "day of battle," Josh. 10:11 says, "And it came to pass, as they (the Amorites) fled from before Israel, and were in the going down to Bethhoron, that THE LORD CAST DOWN GREAT STONES FROM HEAVEN upon them unto Azekah, and they died: they were more which died with hailstones than they whom the children of Israel slew with the sword." This will come true again as the millennial Day of the Lord begins. Compare this with the asteroid impacts of Rev. 8:8,10. Agape

Incoming email, Re: kabbalah

It is very interesting actually, but it would take a very long time to type it out to you.
You can visit

My reply

This site teaches astrology, forbidden by God. According to the Law, isn't the punishment death by stoning? The punishment will come true when the asteroids of Rev. 6:13 and 8:8,10 impact Earth.

This kabbalah is a sneaky way to get people to concentrate on something other than God, Christ and Scripture.

Notice in the quotes below how Rabbis and Priests are grouped with Shamans of Satanic religions. All are said to be just "branches of knowledge." However, Satan's teachings are a deadly branch of knowledge that we should avoid.

> > ....the first rule of Kabbalah is not to believe anything you read or hear

That "anything" includes the Bible and Ministers of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Satan would love to sow such seeds of doubt. I will steer clear of this Kabbalah site.

> > All good Rabbis, Priests, Shamans, Lamas, Psychiatrists, and Scientists alike, serve a meaningful role in the human experience. According to Kabbalah, all these vocations, in and of themselves, represent worthy disciplines. Each is a compelling branch of knowledge. But they are just that... branches of knowledge.

> > Suppose there was one universal wisdom, one singular seed that was the origin of all teachings that concerned both metaphysical and corporeal matters -- a body of knowledge that could reveal the spiritual and physical laws that govern the entire cosmos....

> > What if it could shed a profound light on the mysteries surrounding the unknown whereabouts of our Creator? In other words, what if it could answer the age-old question, "Where's God?"

The Bible answers that for us. God is Spirit (John 4:24). He is everywhere. Acts 17:28 says, "For in him we live, and move, and have our being."

> > What if it could blow the lid off of centuries of corruption and superstition, the trademark of religion throughout time?

See how they represent religion as corrupt and connect it with superstition? That could be true of Satanic religions, but not of Christianity.
> > ...the first rule of Kabbalah is not to believe anything you read or hear. The whole idea of belief bears a residue of doubt. Knowing, on the other hand, leaves no trace of skepticism.

Even though the Kabbalahists may claim to interpret Scripture, that "anything you read or hear" includes the Bible and Ministers of the Gospel of Christ. It is planting doubt, something Satan likes to do.

God decided how man would be tested. We had nothing to do with that and we can't change it. God decided that man would be tested to see if he would obey God even if he could not see God. The just must walk by faith, by belief. 2Co 5:7 says, "For we walk by faith, not by sight." Hab. 2:4 says, "the just shall live by his faith." Rom 1:17 says, "For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith." Who would you believe, the teachers of kabbalah or God?

> > The purpose of Kabblah is now clear: to teach us how to receive Spiritual Light in our lives. That Light can be in the form of inner peace, pleasure, contentment, power, financial prosperity, creativity, freedom from chaos, well-being, or all of the above.

> > Another word that we'll use for Light is energy. Spiritual Energy.

> > We have just unveiled the first rule of Kabbalah:

> > 1. Everything we desire from life is Light [energy].

I'm afraid that the"Spiritual Light" this Kabblah would teach us to receive would be Satan, who is Lucifer, which means light bearer. I want no part of it.

Incoming email, Re: a MAJOR sign

Saw this on your P&C today:

"...The Israeli government is planning to start a dig in mid July to open the cave that Wyatt found the Ark of the Covenant...."

As you know at the end of the age the Ark is supposed to be revealed....

My reply

Maybe the Ark of the Covenant will be found on Earth. That could cause the temple to be rebuilt, because it would be proof of the prior existence of the Jewish temple.

However, whether the Ark will be revealed on Earth or not, the real Ark in Heaven will be opened on the first day of the millennial Day of the Lord.

Rev 11:19 says, "And the temple of God was opened IN HEAVEN, and there was seen in his temple the ARK of his testament." At the Judgment Seat of Christ, the two stone tablets (i.e., asteroids) will be dumped on Earth, "and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an EARTHquake, and great hail."

In the Ark of the Covenant are two stone tablets. On them are written the 10 Commandments. Since those commandments have been broken, the two stone asteroids of Rev. 8:8.10 will hit Earth. There will be "lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail."

Zech 5:3,4 says, "This (the binary asteroid represented as the flying rolling thing that is twice as long as it is wide) is THE CURSE that goeth forth (orbits) over the face of the whole earth: for every one that stealeth (especially the False Prophet, who steals the church) shall be cut off as on this side according to it (a commandment written on the stone tablet is "Thou shalt not steal," Ex. 20:15); and every one that sweareth (especially The Beast of Rev. 13:3-10, i.e., the Tribulation Pope who will claim infallibility) shall be cut off as on that side according to it. I will bring it forth, saith the LORD of hosts, and it shall enter into the house of the thief (the False Prophet), and into the house of him that sweareth falsely by my name (The Beast, the Tribulation Pope): and it shall remain in the midst of his house, and shall consume it with the timber thereof and the stones thereof."

After the TWO STONES impact Earth, one in the Mediterranean Sea and the other at Babylon, Jer 3:16 says, "And it shall come to pass, when ye be multiplied and increased in the land (after the Second Advent), in those days, saith the LORD, they shall say no more, The ARK of the covenant of the LORD: neither shall it come to mind: neither shall they remember it; neither shall they visit it; neither shall that be done any more." Agape

Incoming email, Re: Easter middle Trib?

God bless. Every time you don't post for a while, I start thinking I missed the rapture!

I have 2 questions: Wouldn't it seem right if the 3 and a half days of celbration the world does after the 2 prophets have been killed match up with Easter? Which would make the start of the tribulation in September.

Also, I read a few books lately which claim we all die and do not have any consciousness until Jesus' last return.
Their site is
It seems odd to me.
Also, they believe that when sinners die, they do not exsist anymore, no more soul or spirit. Thank you.

My reply

So far, my days of not posting are not related to the Rapture. First, my back pain interfered. Ed was the caregiver. Now, Ed's back pain and inability to walk interfere. In spite of the Rehab center's thinking they had Ed so he could walk into the house and to his bed with a walker, he couldn't do it. He had to sit so long in the car waiting for prescriptions to be filled that the nurse at Rehab had failed to call in that his legs turned to jelly as he got out of the car. In spite of me trying to hold him up and the walker to hang on to, he slid down to the driveway. I had to call 911 to get someone to help get him into the wheelchair and up one step into the house. They put him in bed. Now I'm the caregiver. Today, he tried to walk with the walker, but only managed to stand up a little while, then collapse on the bed. Maybe tomorrow, he will be able to take a step or two. I helped him do some recommended exercises while lying in bed.

> > Wouldn't it seem right if the 3 and a half days of celbration the world does after the 2 prophets have been killed match up with Easter?

Well, let's see. Resurrection ties the two events together. The two prophets will be resurrected after 3.5 days. Jesus was resurrected after 3 days. Mat 12:40 says, "as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth." That's only 3 days, not a perfect match. Maybe there is something else to tie them together that I haven't thought of.

> > I read a few books lately which claim we all die and do not have any consciousness until Jesus' last return .

The URL doesn't work. I don't believe that, either. The rich man in Luke 16:19-31 was dead, yet he was conscious. He could feel, speak, see, remember, etc.

> > Also, they believe that when sinners die, they do not exsist anymore, no more soul or spirit

If that was so, why would there be a "second death"? Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years." Rev 21:8 says, "the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death."

We are body, soul and spirit. I think the first death is of the body, and the second death is of the soul. Eze 18:4 says, "Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die." I have not found a scripture that says that the spirit dies. No third death is mentioned.

Mat 10:28 "fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell." It sounds like the spirit of unbelievers will have a long time to be sorry. Agape

Incoming email, Re: "The locusts came..."

From: Jim Bramlett 6-14-03

Just as we try to force Israel to divide God's land, The Drudge Report ( reports the following today, reminding me of Psalm 105:34, "He spoke, and the locusts came, grasshoppers without number..." (NIV):
Grasshoppers invade U.S. West, 6-13-03

San Francisco (dpa) - Huge swarms of hungry grasshoppers have invaded the western United States, prompting agricultural experts to warn of damage unparalleled in decades.

The plague has hit the states of Nevada, Utah and Idaho particularly hard and shows no sign of abating.

"This is bigger then anything we've seen in a long time,'' said expert Mike Cooper, quoted in ``The Idaho Statesman''.

Cooper cited records showing the current swarms to be the largest since World War II. Officials in Idaho have posted warning signs near highways warning of slippery conditions if the crickets swarm on the road.

In Utah, authorities predict that 2.5 million hectares could be devoured by the invading swarms. Authorities are hoping to use insecticide to prevent the situation's getting out of hand, but environmental groups have filed four law suits hoping to block the spraying.

My reply

I am assuming they mean Mormon Crickets. These annoying insects are not true crickets and have a lifestyle closer to that of a grasshopper. The adults, about 2.5" long, band together and destroy crops as they migrate. Extreme numbers come every 7 years and can last about 3 years.

We were in Blythe, AZ, on our way to California when they were swarming. Huge piles of dead ones killed by insecticides had been swept up by business owners everywhere we stopped. I never saw so many crickets in one area in my life. They aren't supposed to really fly, but when we woke up in the motel, they were zooming at us from all directions, even hitting us in the face. We thought they were flying all over that room and got out of there in one big hurry. It's no fun living a shoulder shivering nightmare. Agape

Incoming email

Subject: Most life in sea killed off 380 Million yr. ago by Meteor

Meteor impact linked to extinction of fish
Kenneth Chang, New York Times 6/13/2003

Just as a meteor impact is believed to have brought about the extinction of the dinosaurs 65 million years ago, scientists say a similar event might have killed many fish and other creatures of an earlier era, about 380 million years ago....

In the new research, Ellwood and his colleagues examined samples of rocks from Morocco. In a layer 380 million years old, corresponding to the extinction, they found grains of quartz with microscopic lines that form when it is hit with a tremendous impact.

They also discovered spheres and crystals less than one-hundredth of an inch wide that might be droplets of rock melted when a meteor struck. As further evidence, they found elevated levels of elements such as nickel, chromium and cobalt, all associated with meteors.

The scientists did not find these indicators in rocks several yards above or below the extinction layer. They also reported chemical signs in carbon in the rocks that indicate rapid, widespread deaths of organisms.

"All of those things together are very strong evidence that this is an impact layer," Ellwood said....

Ellwood also said that the researchers had found shocked quartz of the same age in Spain but that that evidence has not been published. "I'm pretty sure we're going to find it elsewhere," he said.

My reply

Thanks for the interesting article. Shocked quartz is a good indicator of an asteroid impact.

Another article on this is also found at:
Meteor Hit Earth, Crushed Life 380 Million Years Ago

WASHINGTON (ANI) 6-15-03 - Is there a connection between mass extinctions and severe impacts? Some geologists think there is, believing that about 380 million years ago, a rock from space smashed into the Earth, wiping out a large fraction of life....

Ellwood's team found that rocks in Morocco laid down about 380 million years ago bear a layer of sediment that resembles the debris from a cataclysmic explosion. The sediment has unusual magnetic properties and contains grains of quartz that seem to have experienced extreme stresses.

Around this time, about 40 per cent of marine animal groups vanished from the fossil record, says the team. Ellwood posits an asteroid slightly smaller than the 10-kilometre rock suspected of killing the dinosaurs.
If this explosion was this cataclysmic, it shows what could take place when the asteroid pieces of Rev. 8:8 and 10 impact Earth. Agape

I Found Life on Mars in 1976, Scientist Says
Stefan Lovgren, for National Geographic News 6-11-03

...Mars was a completely different place around the time life started on Earth 3.5 to 4 billion years ago. Scientists believe the planet was like Earth, with water and warm, but that it changed, losing much of its water and turning cold and hostile....

My comment

I think Mars was hit by a piece of Satan's planet Rahab (now our Asteroid Belt). Mars was badly wounded on one side. We can see the gigantic scar.

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