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Posted 6-27-03

Huge Mystery Flashes Seen In Outer Atmosphere (on 7-22-02)

John Pickrell, 6-25-03


Cloud-to-Earth lightning bolts are a well-known natural electrical occurrence. Now scientists have discovered and photographed for the first time enormous, 90-kilometer-high (55-mile), luminous, electric discharges that deliver large quantities of current from thunderstorms to the edges of the Earth's atmosphere....

Totally Unexpected Find

Instead of finding sprites, the team caught something totally unexpected. They observed five jets spreading outwards and upwards from the thundercloud. Three were tree-shaped and two were carrot-shaped, said Su (see images).

Su and his team have named these events "gigantic jets." The jets covered 40 kilometers (25 miles) at their widest point, and are estimated to have a volume of 30,000 cubic kilometers (about 7,200 cubic miles). "That's equivalent to ten billion Olympic-size swimming pools," said Su. Despite their scale, each of the jets had come and gone within less than half a second....

It's the first time that luminous events spanning the entire distance from the cloud top—around 16 kilometers (10 miles) up—to the ionosphere have been recorded, he said.

In addition, these jets appear to have emitted radio waves that were detected in Japan, and as far away as Antarctica. Radio waves would be produced if the jets were working against the charging effect of the thunderstorms and discharging the ionosphere, said Su.

Sprites are red in color and spread out in bright tendrils of light. They appear above active thunderstorms and accompany strong lightning strikes. These flashes can stretch 50 kilometers (about 30 miles) across and reach up into the ionosphere, but don't reach down as far as cloud level. Blue jets on the other hand, shoot out from the core regions of thunderstorms, but usually do not reach higher than 40 to 50 kilometers (25 to 30 miles) in height. Other types of luminous event, called elves, crawlers, trolls, and pixies, have also been recorded.

"Gigantic jets are a really new and exciting finding," said Pasko, and appear to be an electric link between the thunderclouds and the ionosphere. "Globally these jets could also be playing an important role in atmospheric chemistry," said Pasko. In a similar way to lightning, the discharges of current from these jets could cause reactions between gases to produce ozone, or convert nitrogen to a form available to life on the surface, said Pasko.

Scientists Discover A New Kind Of Lightning

Posted by timothy 6-25-03

Exoman writes "Lightning that shoots upward up to 60 miles from the clouds? A team of researchers led by Han-Tzong Su of the National Cheng Kung University in Taiwan, videotaped the discharges last July from an observatory on the southern tip of the island. The lightning was firing from the top of thunderclouds more than 300 miles away across the South China Sea. The researchers reported their work Thursday in the journal Nature."

Comparing red sprites and blue jets
Lightning scientists capture an elusive 'blue jet' on video
BY DAWN LEVY, Stanford Report, 3-13-02

Lightning dazzles and amazes as it lights a night sky. Related displays of atmospheric electricity -- 'red sprites' and 'blue jets' -- inspire awe too. But less is known about these natural illuminations, which occur at high altitudes, where the thin atmosphere makes them ghostly and special instrumentation is sometimes needed to view them....

Type----------------red sprites----------------------blue jets
starting point-----base of the ionosphere-----cloud tops

Space impact 'saved Christianity'

By Dr David Whitehouse

Did a meteor over central Italy in AD 312 change the course of Roman and Christian history?

About the size of a football field: The impact crater left behind A team of geologists believes it has found the incoming space rock's impact crater, and dating suggests its formation coincided with the celestial vision said to have converted a future Roman emperor to Christianity.

It was just before a decisive battle for control of Rome and the empire that Constantine saw a blazing light cross the sky and attributed his subsequent victory to divine help from a Christian God.

Constantine went on to consolidate his grip on power and ordered that persecution of Christians cease and their religion receive official status....

About the size of a football field: The impact crater left behind

" ...a most marvellous sign appeared to him from heaven..." Eusebius...

Constantine overran Italy and faced Maxentius at the Milvian Bridge over the Tiber a few kilometres from Rome. Both knew it would be a decisive battle with Constantine's forces outnumbered.

'Conquer by this'

It was then that something strange happened. Eusebius - one of the Christian Church's early historians - relates the event in his Conversion of Constantine.

"...while he was thus praying with fervent entreaty, a most marvellous sign appeared to him from heaven, the account of which it might have been hard to believe had it been related by any other person.

"...about noon, when the day was already beginning to decline, he saw with his own eyes the trophy of a cross of light in the heavens, above the Sun, and bearing the inscription 'conquer by this'.

"At this sight he himself was struck with amazement, and his whole army also, which followed him on this expedition, and witnessed the miracle."

Spurred on by divine intervention, Constantine's army won the day and he gave homage to the God of the Christians whom he believed had helped him....

Like a nuclear blast

But what was the celestial event that converted Constantine and altered the course of history?

Jens Ormo, a Swedish geologist, and colleagues working in Italy believe Constantine witnessed a meteoroid impact.

Drill rig: Sampling the crater The research team believes it has identified what remains of the impactor's crater.

It is the small, circular Cratere del Sirente in central Italy. It is clearly an impact crater, Ormo says, because its shape fits and it is also surrounded by numerous smaller, secondary craters, gouged out by ejected debris, as expected from impact models.

Radiocarbon dating puts the crater's formation at about the right time to have been witnessed by Constantine and there are magnetic anomalies detected around the secondary craters - possibly due to magnetic fragments from the meteorite.

According to Ormo, it would have struck the Earth with the force of a small nuclear bomb, perhaps a kiloton in yield. It would have looked like a nuclear blast, with a mushroom cloud and shockwaves....

Incoming email Re: Question about the rapture

Is the 17th of July , the Feast of Tammuz , a possible rapture date ? We had a very interesting post on Doves concerning this date. Thank you for your answer. Hope you are feeling better , Marilyn !! Agape

My reply

Tamuz 17 was the golden calf incident. Moses threw down the 2 stone tablets and broke them. That doesn't shout "Pre-Trib Rapture" to me.

Av 10 (Aug. 8, 2003) was when the temple proper went up in smoke--twice. Jer. 52:12,13 says, "Now in the fifth month (Av), in the tenth day of the month...came Nebuzar-adan, captain of the guard, which served the king of Babylon, into Jerusalem, And burned the house of the LORD." In 70 AD, other structures were set on fire on Av 9, but the temple proper burned on Av 10.

Since we are the temple of the Holy Spirit, that smoke could signal our going up. Av 10 was also when the spies sent into Canaan returned to Moses and the Tabernacle. They were bearing a huge bunch of grapes slung on a pole and carried by 2 men.

Song 7:6-9 might tie in. It speaks to the prince's daughter. "How fair and how pleasant art thou, O love, for delights! This thy stature is like to a palm tree, and thy breasts to clusters of grapes. I said, I will go up to the palm tree, I will take hold of the boughs thereof: now also thy breasts shall be as clusters of the vine, and the smell of thy nose like apples; And the roof of thy mouth like the best wine for my beloved, that goeth down sweetly, causing the lips of those that are asleep to speak."

I'm lots better and Ed is making progress walking with his walker. Agape

Incoming email, Re: 14,000 day is a generation

I have been reading your site for about 5 years, and enjoy it very much. Thanks for all your insight and sharing different possibilities. My question is have you heard anything about the 14,000 day generation time period. Reading an article, they said from the day Jesus rode into Jerusalem , that palm Sunday, and said this generation will not pass , until all these things be fulfilled, refering to the destruction of the temple, Matt 23.36 and 24.2 . That on the exact day 14,000 days later Rome sacked and burned the temple in 70 A D . Now the interesting point is from the day the Jews recaptured Jerusalem 6-7-67 adding 14,000 days brings us to the feast of trumpets 2005. That is the year we here so much about , with this " road map to peace " that the Bush admistration has said talking about. Is there a way you can check the math on these dates and verify it ? Thank you

My reply

I don't remember figuring 14,000 days. I just now went to time and date (, put in 4-4-30 AD (Nisan 8, day Jesus arrived at Bethany) plus 14,000 days. I got 8-2-68. Actually, the temple proper was burned Aug 2 (Av 10), in 70 AD.

I also put in 4 April, 30 and 2 Aug, 70, and calculated the days. It is 14730 days.

Eric Casagrande sent me his count of 40 years plus another 120 days from Nisan 8 (when Jesus arrived at Bethany 6 days before the Passover, John 12:1,12,13) in 30 AD to Av 10 (when the temple proper was burned) in 70 AD.

That's amazing. It measures the generation of Mt. 23:36 exactly. Jesus said to the pharisees, Verily (amen, so be it, i.e., this is important) I say unto you, All these things shall come upon THIS GENERATION."

Like a mirror image, Eric also applied the 40 years plus another 120 days to our days. Starting with Iyar 28 (June 7 in 1967, when Israel regained the temple area in the Six-Day War), he ended up with Tishri 1, 5768 (Sept. 13, 2007). That is when I think the Wrath of God will fall on the unbelievers left on Earth.

I arrived at that same year by adding 40 years to 1967, as the fig tree parable of Mt. 24:32-34 suggests. I knew from Mal. 2:3; Joel 1:15; 2:1-3, etc., that it had to be on the Feast of Trumpets, which is Tishri1, 5768 (Sept. 13, 2007). Agape

From 5 Doves site

Donna Cothran (24 June 2003)
"How close are we to the finishing line . ."

Passover was always on the 15th day of the first month of the holy year.

My reply

I'll stick with the Bible. Lev 23:5 says, "In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD'S passover." That is the "even" that begins the Jewish day (6 PM on our previous day).

Every Feast begins at 6 PM on our previous day. Speaking of the Day of Atonement, Tishri 10, Lev. 23:32 says, "in the ninth day of the month at even, from even (6 PM on the 9th) unto even (6 PM on the 10th), shall ye celebrate your sabbath."

Since Tishri 10 begins at 6 PM on Tishri 9, Passover begins at 6 PM on Nisan 13 and ends at 6 PM on Nisan 14.

Nisan 15 is the Feast of Unleavened Bread. Lev 23:6 says, "on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread." It starts at 6 PM on Nisan 14 and ends at 6 PM on Nisan 15.


Pharaoh's chariots found in Red Sea?
'Physical evidence' of ancient Exodus prompting new look at Old Testament
By Joe Kovacs

6-21-03 - "And Moses stretched out his hand over the sea; and the LORD caused the sea to go back by a strong east wind all that night, and made the sea dry land, and the waters were divided." (Exodus 14:21)

One of the most famous stories of the Bible is God's parting of the Red Sea to save the Israelites from the Egyptian army and the subsequent drowning of soldiers and horses in hot pursuit.

But is there evidence that such an event did in fact happen – and if so, precisely where did it take place?

The issue is surfacing some 3,500 years after the event is said to have taken place with reports of Egyptian chariot wheels found in the Red Sea, photographs to document it and new books by scientists that could lead to a whole remapping of the Exodus route and a fresh look at ancient biblical accounts.

"I am 99.9 percent sure I picked up a chariot wheel," Peter Elmer tells WorldNetDaily after two diving trips to the Gulf of Aqaba branch of the sea. "It was covered in coral."

The 38-year-old forklift mechanic from Keynsham, England, traveled to the region with his brother, Mark, after being inspired by videos of explorers Ron Wyatt and Jonathan Gray, who have documented artifacts that in at least one case authorities have confirmed to be a chariot wheel dating to the time of the Exodus.

"I believe I actually sat in an ancient chariot cab," Elmer said, referring to his time exploring a submerged item in what he describes as an underwater scrapyard. "Without question, it is most definitely the remains of the Egyptian army."

But despite all of Elmer's excitement, others who have been to the same location are not so sure what is being viewed underwater are the remnants of the great chase and urge extreme caution regarding the unsubstantiated claims.

"All kinds of people are finding coral and calling it chariot parts," says Richard Rives, president of Wyatt Archaeological Research in Tennessee. "It's most likely coral covered with coral. ... Opportunists are combining false things with the true things that are found. These people are making it up as they go to be TV stars."

Rives was a longtime partner of Ron Wyatt, an anesthetist and amateur archaeologist who died of cancer in 1999....

Among those who accompanied Wyatt on many of his excursions is his wife, Mary Nell. She's concerned about over-exuberance regarding new claims, but the Spring Hill, Tenn., woman tells WorldNetDaily she's "convinced" there are chariot parts located on a subsurface "land bridge" connecting Egypt to Saudi Arabia through the Gulf of Aqaba.

She cites Ron's discovery of a wheel hub that he brought to the surface in the late 1970s as proof.

The hub had the remains of eight spokes radiating outward and was examined by Nassif Mohammed Hassan, director of Antiquities in Cairo. Hassan declared it to be from the 18th Dynasty of ancient Egypt, explaining the eight-spoked wheel was used only during that dynasty around 1400 B.C.

Curiously, no one can account for the precise whereabouts of that eight-spoked wheel today, though Hassan is on videotape stating his conclusion regarding authenticity.

When Mary Nell went diving with Ron, she says it was very easy to assume (wrongly) that every item on the flat bottom had historical significance.

"[At first] I thought everything was a chariot wheel!" Mrs. Wyatt exclaimed, noting how difficult it is for the untrained eye to distinguish an artifact from a piece of coral. "I'm just trying to be cautious about over-identifying too much. ... It is God's truth, and we can't hype it up. We can't add to it."...

One of the most spectacular items is what appears to be a wheel with metal exposed. Mary Nell says the wheel is covered with a gold veneer, to which coral has difficulty attaching. She says the gold wheel is still there, wedged so tightly in the bottom that it feels like it's been cemented in....

Another issue is the route of the Exodus, and which body of water the Israelites crossed. Many travel maps and Bibles indicate a crossing point in the Gulf of Suez, the western branch of the Red Sea. But those may have to be updated if the Aqaba location is confirmed as the true location for the miraculous event.

"The truth is, no one really knows where the crossing of the Red Sea took place," says Carl Rasmussen, a biblical geographer and professor of Old Testament at Bethel College in St. Paul, Minn.

Rasmussen compiled the "Zondervan NIV Atlas of the Bible" and personally thinks the crossing took place somewhere along what is now the Suez Canal.

Some scientists from Europe say the current maps are wrong, and the Wyatts are right – that the crossing began at the Nuweiba beachhead, went through the Gulf of Aqaba, and then into what is now Saudi Arabia where they claim the "true" Mount Sinai is located....

But Ron Wyatt believed it was in Arabia, even referenced as "mount Sinai in Arabia" by the Apostle Paul in Galatians 4:25.

So he and his sons made their way to "Jebel el Lawz," the mountain of the Law, which is known by the locals as "Jebel Musa" – Moses' mountain....

Rasmussen doesn't agree with the Arabian Mount Sinai theory.

"I believe the strongest candidate is Jebel Sin Bisher," he told WorldNetDaily. "The sites in Saudi Arabia have very, very weak scriptural backing, in spite of the hype."

Now, a new book by Cambridge University physicist Colin Humphreys titled "The Miracles of Exodus" supports not only the claim for an Aqaba crossing, but also the location of Mount Sinai in Arabia.

"If my book is correct, and I believe the evidence is very strong," says Humphreys, "then world maps will need to be redrawn to relocate Mount Sinai. History books, travel guides and biblical commentaries will need to be rewritten."

Throughout his work, Humphreys provides scientific explanations to corroborate the accounts of the Old Testament.

"'The waters piled up, the surging waters stood firm like a wall,' is a remarkable description of what the mathematics reveals to be the case for water pushed back by a very strong wind," he writes.

"What I have found is that the events of the Exodus are even more dramatic than is generally believed," Humphreys said. "The Exodus of the ancient Israelites from Egypt really is one of the greatest true stories ever told."

A Swedish scientist who believes the Red Sea was split says while Humphreys is correct about the Aqaba crossing, there are no natural, scientific explanations for the parting miracle described in Scripture.

"The wind did not separate the water," says Lennart Moller of the Karolinska Institute in Stockholm. "No person could be in that wind and survive. ... If God has created all the Earth, it's no problem for Him to separate the water for a while."

Speaking to WorldNetDaily from the isle of Gotland in the Baltic Sea, Moller, the author of "The Exodus Case," says the key in finding the correct route of the Israelites is to understand that the Hebrew reference to "yum suph" does not mean "sea of reeds" as many scholars have claimed.

Moller says it refers specifically to the Gulf of Aqaba, and while he's not formally affiliated with the Wyatts, he agrees with them that a host of other evidence can be found on the Arabian side of the water, including remains of the golden calf, pillars, altars and the even the rock the Bible says Moses split to bring forth water for the Israelites.

Regarding the items found beneath the waters, Moller believes there are remnants not only of chariots and wheels, but also human and animal skeletons.

"There was a disaster [there] a long time ago," he said. "Whatever that is, it's open to interpretation."

He also notes that the downward and upward slope of the Aqaba crossing path actually falls within current U.S. standards for handicapped ramps....

My reply

Thanks for everything, and for sending me this article. Here is some more on this subject.

At, Ron Wyatt wrote:

"And they took their journey from Succoth, and encamped in Etham, in the edge of the wilderness." Exodus 13:20
Etham was in the "edge of the wilderness." What wilderness was this? The answer is in the Exodus account:

"But God led the people about, through the way of the wilderness of the Red sea..." Exodus 13:18
It was the Wilderness of the Red Sea -- the mountainous land of the mid and southern Sinai Peninsula. This was along a route that was commonly taken in those days by both caravans and the army, and it was called "the southern route." This route was taken because it was safer than travelling along the coast, where the Philistines were.

Etham was not a singular location, like a town - it was a designation of the land that lay around the mid-northern edge of the Gulf of Aqaba. We know this because once they cross the sea, they are still in an area called Etham:

"And they departed from before Pihahiroth, and passed through the midst of the sea into the wilderness, and went three days' journey in the wilderness of Etham, and pitched in Marah." Numbers 33:8 It was while they were at Etham on the western side of the sea that God told Moses:

"Speak unto the children of Israel, that they turn and encamp before Pihahiroth, between Migdol and the sea, over against Baalzephon: before it shall ye encamp by the sea. For Pharaoh will say of the children of Israel, They are entangled in the land, the wilderness hath shut them in." Exodus 14:2-3

In order for them to be "entangled in the land," they would have to be travelling through an area of wadis (canyons) with high mountains all around, which would seem to hem them in. This takes place prior to crossing the sea, so I looked for an area such as this which would terminate on a beach or shore of the sea which was large enough to hold perhaps 2 or 3 million people, as well as their flocks.

I found a beach of tremendous size on the Gulf of Aqaba at Nuweiba, and the only passage to it is through an 18 mile long wadi system.

From "Etham in the edge of the wilderness", they changed their direction of travel from a northerly direction, (which would have soon taken them around the northern tip of the sea,) and went south, through a wadi system that must have appeared like an endless maze to them. Hemmed in to the left and right, they could only travel in one direction -- and the only path through that wadi leads to the tremendous sized beach.

As I mentioned, I found this tremendous beach on the Gulf of Aqaba which could easily have held the multitude, their flocks, and also pharaoh's army -- separating the two groups by several miles.
I disagree with them both. I can't see how anyone can think the Israelites left Egypt, crossed Arabia Petrea (now called the Sinai Peninsula), then crossed the Red Sea at the Gulf of Aqaba and entered Midian (now Saudi Arabia). How many days would that trip have taken? The Israelites probably only travelled 6 to 8 miles a day, because of their flocks and children.

There wasn't enough time for them to make such a long trip to Midian. They had already left Egypt by crossing the Red Sea before they even traveled the first three days in the wilderness.

They came out of the land of Goshen in Egypt, crossed the Red Sea (Gulf of Suez) and immediately entered into the Wilderness (midbar, desert, pasture, open field where herds are driven) of Etham.

Num 33:8 says, "they departed from before Pihahiroth (in Egypt), and passed through the midst of the sea (Red Sea, Gulf of Suez, border of Egypt) into the wilderness, and went THREE DAYS' JOURNEY IN THE WILDERNESS OF ETHAM, and pitched in Marah." During those first three days, they stayed in the wilderness of Etham, which stretched eastward from Etham, near Egypt's border.

Nu. 33:6 tells us where Etham was. It says, "they departed from Succoth, and pitched in ETHAM, WHICH IS IN THE EDGE OF THE WILDERNESS."

The wilderness of Etham was the western section of the larger wilderness of Shur, along the Way to Shur. Shur was in the Negev. Ex. 15:22 says, "So Moses brought Israel from the Red sea, and they went out into the WILDERNESS OF SHUR; and they went THREE DAYS in the wilderness, and found no water.

In the accounts of their journey, I found out that they didn't leave the wilderness (pasture or desert) until they arrived at Mt. Sinai. They didn't go into mountainous areas or Wadis prior to entering the wilderness of Sinai. They were in the wilderness of Etham, the wilderness of Shur, the wilderness of Sin, and the wilderness of Sinai.

Num 33:10,11 says, "they removed from Elim, and encamped by the Red sea. And they removed from the Red sea, and encamped in the wilderness of Sin.

Num 33:15 says, "they departed from Rephidim, and pitched in the wilderness of Sinai."

The route was usually inland from the Way to the Land of the Philistines, but it crossed the top of the Sinai Peninsula toward the land of Canaan.

> > Ron Wyatt believed it was in Arabia, even referenced as "mount Sinai in Arabia" by the Apostle Paul in Galatians 4:25.

Mt. Sinai was in Arabia Petrea (now called the Sinai Peninsula).

Thoughts on Jebel al-Lawz and the Location of Mt. Sinai
Bryant G. Wood, 3-1-01

There has been much publicity in recent years concerning the identification of Jebel al-Lawz as Mt. Sinai. Although this idea is not new, it has been given new life by two adventurers, Robert Cornuke and Larry Williams. Although present knowledge does not allow us to pinpoint the exact position of Mt. Sinai, we can ascertain its general location from data given in the Bible. The Bible tells us exactly how long it took the Israelites to travel from Mt. Sinai to Kadesh Barnea. Knowing their approximate rate of travel provides a rough calculation of the distance traveled. This places Mt. Sinai in the general area of the northern Sinai Peninsula, not in Saudi Arabia. Scholars have paid scant attention to this important information in their efforts to locate Mt. Sinai.
I agree. Agape, Marilyn

Incoming email


And thank you, Marilyn!!! Jebel al-Lawz as Sinai looks impossible when posited against the record of scripture which cannot be broken and which shall stand forever. So pleased to hear that surgery is out of the realm of consideration at present and you are back in the saddle again, well partially anyway, with deference to Ed's care. Am praying daily for both you and Ed. Both of you need lots of grace and hupomone (G5281) now for sure. I can only imagine what your inbox looked like once you finally got back to it. Singing with grace in my heart to our wonderful LORD of hosts

"To them who by patient continuance (G#5281, hupomone; cheerful endurance, constancy, patient continuance, waiting -- I love this Gr. word used 33x in Scripture) in well doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, eternal life," Rom. 2:7.

"Because you kept the word of My patient endurance (G#5281, hupomone again), I also will keep you from the hour of the trial, the one about to be coming upon the whole inhabited earth, to test the ones dwelling on the earth," Rev. 3:10 Analytical-Literal Translation.

My reply

The first time I got my e-mail after hurting my back, I got 200. I figured maybe half were throw-aways, but in the short times I could sit at my computer then, it took me several days to sort through the whole thing. Now, I don't even need pain killers. I got better in the nick of time to care for Ed. The Lord arranged that. We couldn't have.

Ed's main pain is in his right thigh. He has walked with the walker out to the lift chair in the family room twice. That is pushing the envelope.

> > "Because you kept the word of My patient endurance (G#5281, hupomone again), I also will keep you from the hour of the trial, the one about to be coming upon the whole inhabited earth, to test the ones dwelling on the earth," Rev. 3:10 Analytical-Literal Translation.

That "about to be coming" hit me. The "shall come" in the KJV is 3195 mello mel'-lo a strengthened form of 3199 (through the idea of expectation); to intend, i.e. be about to be, do, or suffer something (of persons or things, especially events; in the sense of purpose, duty, necessity, probability, possibility, or hesitation):--about, after that, be (almost), (that which is, things, + which was for) to come, intend, was to (be), mean, mind, be at the point, (be) ready, + return, shall (begin), (which, that) should (after, afterwards, hereafter) tarry, which was for, will, would, be yet. Strong's Bible Dictionary

Shall come doesn't say when it will come, but about to be coming makes it seem like it is soon. How about that "be at the point"? That's very soon.

(Darby) Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, *I* also will keep thee out of the hour of trial, which is about to come upon the whole habitable world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

(WNT) Because in spite of suffering you have guarded My word, I in turn will guard you from that hour of trial which is soon coming upon the whole world, to put to the test the inhabitants of the earth.

(YLT) `Because thou didst keep the word of my endurance, I also will keep thee from the hour of the trial that is about to come upon all the world, to try those dwelling upon the earth.

Thanks again, Agape

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