Pro and Con 1030

Posted 7-6-03

Update on the double anchor sign that means hope

The Vela Pulsar's Dynamic Jet
Highly magnetized and spinning over 10 times a second, the Vela pulsar is thought of as a cosmic high-voltage generator, powering the x-ray nebula and dynamic cosmic jet.

Active pillars of colorful aurora were captured dancing over a serenely smooth and nearly colorless Cape Cod Bay last month.

Cassiopia (the "W" constellation) is the wife of King Cepheus (near Cassiopia). In a drawing of the Constellations, the King is holding aloft a fistful of fabric ribbons, showing that he is a religious leader, a man of the cloth. They represent Christ and the Bride of Christ in God's gospel in the stars.

Incoming email, Re: Pro and Con 1029

Wow! Excellent answer to Paul! Agape!

My reply

Thanks. Scripture doesn't indicate that the Jews should write L-ord and G-d and substitute "Adonai" for "Yahweh," either.

From P & C 1029: Psa 29:2 says, "Give unto the LORD (YHWH, YAHWEH) the glory due unto HIS NAME." Psa 34:3 says, "O magnify the LORD with me, and let us EXALT HIS NAME together." Psa 96:8 says, "Give unto the LORD the glory due unto HIS NAME: bring an offering, and come into his courts." Psa 105:1 says, "O give thanks unto the LORD; call upon HIS NAME: make known his deeds among the people." Psa 135:3 says, "Praise the LORD; for the LORD is good: sing praises unto HIS NAME; for it is pleasant."

Changing the subject. I just read James 5:9 and saw my note. I hadn't thought about this lately. The last word, "door," should be "doors," plural, as in Mt. 24:33, the fig tree parable. James 5:9 (ASV) says, "Murmur not, brethren, one against another, that ye be not judged: behold, the judge standeth before the DOORS. The NAB says, "Do not complain, brothers, about one another, that you may not be judged. Behold, the Judge is standing before the GATES."

These are probably two doors set in one large entry doorway in the heavenly Temple. The first "open door" of Rev. 3:8 is set before the Philadelphians, that group that get no words of condemnation from Jesus. That door is for the Pre-Trib Rapture. The second door is for the Pre-Wrath Rapture.

Eze. 41:23,24 says, "the temple and the sanctuary had TWO DOORS. And the doors had two leaves apiece, two turning leaves; two leaves for the one door, and two leaves for the other door." These are folding doors.

The second door is closed to the Laodiceans that do not become Philadelphian overcomers in time to go through the first door. Rev. 3:19-22 says to those saints that are left behind, "As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent (use I John 1:9). Behold, I stand at the DOOR, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the DOOR, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me. To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches."

When one confesses his sins to God, he is faithful and just to cleanse us from ALL unrighteousness. Then we are wearing the white robes of righteousness that are the white wedding garment the Bride of Christ wears. If we do this before the first door opens, we will be caught up in the first Rapture. Agape

His reply

That was excellent also, Marilyn! Thanks a lot! What a wonderful God!

The Riddle of General Gog

by Gary Stearman

...Two chapters – Ezekiel 38 and 39 – stand in stark witness that there will be a future invasion of Israel. It will happen. And it is one of the clearest prophecies in the Bible. As to when it will come about, that is open to much discussion. But among dispensationalists, the majority opinion places it prior to the Tribulation Period. Quite simply, the elements of Ezekiel’s prophecy fit conditions as we see them now, not as they appear during the upheavals of that day....

My comments

Eze. 38:14-20 shows that the Gog and Magog War is not before the Tribulation, but on the Day of God's Wrath at the end of the shortened Tribulation. Israel does not dwell safely now.

It says, "say unto Gog, Thus saith the Lord GOD; In that day when my people of ISRAEL DWELLETH SAFELY, shalt thou not know it? And thou shalt come from thy place out of the north parts, thou, and many people with thee, all of them riding upon horses, a great company, and a mighty army: And thou shalt come up against my people of Israel, as a cloud to cover the land; it shall be IN THE LATTER DAYS, and I will bring thee against my land, that the heathen may know me, when I shall be sanctified in thee, O Gog, before their eyes....And it shall come to pass at the same time when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, saith the Lord GOD, that MY FURY SHALL COME UP IN MY FACE.

"For in my jealousy and in the fire of MY WRATH have I spoken, Surely in that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel; So that the fishes of the sea (one asteroid hits the Mediterranean), and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake (worldwide earthquake of Rev. 16:18,19) at my presence (lit., face, i.e., the Sign of the Son of Man), and the mountains (asteroids of Rev. 8:8,10) shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground. And I will call for a sword against him throughout all my mountains, saith the Lord GOD: every man's sword shall be against his brother. And I will plead against him with pestilence and with blood; and I will rain upon him, and upon his bands, and upon the many people that are with him, an overflowing rain (shower, a tsunami), and great hailstones, fire, and brimstone. Thus will I magnify myself, and sanctify myself; and I will be known in the EYES of many nations, and they shall know that I am the LORD." They will see the Sign of the Son of Man in the sky that day (Mt. 24:30). He will be sitting on a throne, because it is the first day of his millennial reign. Like Solomon, Jesus will cleanse his kingdom as it begins.

Hypothesis Concerning Soul Substance Together with Experimental Evidence of The Existence of Such Substance

American Medicine, April, 1907
by Duncan MacDougall, M.D., of Haverhill, Mass.

...At the end of three hours and forty minutes he expired and suddenly coincident with death the beam end dropped with an audible stroke hitting against the lower limiting bar and remaining there with no rebound. The loss was ascertained to be three-fourths of an ounce....

The net result of the experiments conducted on human beings, is that a loss of substance occurs at death not accounted for by known channels of loss. Is it the soul substance? It would seem to me to be so. According to our hypothesis such a substance is necessary to the assumption of continuing or persisting personality after bodily death, and here we have experimental demonstration that a substance capable of being weighed does leave the human body at death....

Since however the substance considered in our hypothesis is linked organically with the body until death takes place, it appears to me more reasonable to think that it must be some form of gravitative matter, and therefore capable of being detected at death by weighing a human being in the act of death....

If it is definitely proved that there is in the human being a loss of substance at death not accounted for by known channels of loss, and that such loss of substance does not occur in the dog as my experiments would seem to show, then we have here a physiological difference between the human and the canine at least and probably between the human and all other forms of animal life.

From 5 Doves site, Re: "ON THE SAME DAY"

CAPS (28 June 2003)

This post by Aliyah is just as I understand these passages. Notice also that Jesus emphasized the it was "on the same day" that Lot left Sodom it rained fire and brimstone.

Also, it was on the "same day" that Noah entered the Ark that the floods came.

These passages are in Luke 17 and Matthew 24. These passages seem to clearly indicate that on the "same day" as the Rapture there will be "sudden destruction", as is mentioned in I Thes. chapter 5.

The "explanation" of those missing may well be that they were destroyed in a nuclear exchange. Will this be "the lie" that those are left behind will believe? See II Thes. chapter 2.



There are two Raptures. The Pre-Trib Rapture is as in "the days of Noe." Water fell. The Pre-Wrath Rapture is as in "the days of Lot." Fire fell. The Day of Destruction is the same day as the Pre-Wrath Rapture.

Look at Luke 17:22. It shows that there are at least two Days of the Son of Man (i.e., two Raptures, Pre-Trib and Pre-Wrath). Jesus said, "The days will come, when ye shall desire to see ONE of the days of the Son of man (the Pre-Trib Rapture), and ye shall not see it."

The one who does not see the Pre-Trib Rapture will be in the Tribulation, "And they shall say to you, See here; or, see there: go not after them, nor follow them" (Luke 17:23). This agrees with Mt. 24:26: "if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not."

It also agrees with Mark 13, but notice what else Mark tells us. Verses 21-27 say, "And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not: For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect. But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things. But in those days, AFTER THAT TRIBULATION, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken. And THEN SHALL THEY SEE THE SON OF MAN COMING IN THE CLOUDS ('the sign of the Son of man", Mt. 24:30) with great power and glory. And then (when they see the Sign of the Son of Man in the sky) shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the EARTH (the Pre-Wrath Rapture) to the uttermost part of HEAVEN" (i.e., also gather those that were previously caught up in the Pre-Trib Rapture).

Luke 17:24 says, "For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his day", i.e., the Sign of the Son of Man will take place on the 2nd Day of the Son of Man, the Pre-Wrath Rapture.

Mat 24:27-29 gives us some added information. It says, "For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For wheresoever the carcase (body, i.e., Body of Christ) is (in Heaven, having been caught up before the Tribulation), there will the eagles (Tribulation saints, Psa. 103:4,5) be gathered together. Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken".

The Pre-Trib Rapture is as the Day of the Son of Man that is also as the days of Noah. Water (symbol of the Spirit of Christ) came. Rom 8:9 says, "ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the SPIRIT OF CHRIST, he is none of his."

The Pre-Wrath Rapture is as the Day of the Son of Man that is also as the days of Lot. Destruction falls on both of those days.

> > on the "same day" as the Rapture there will be "sudden destruction", as is mentioned in I Thes. chapter 5.

The sudden destruction is on the same day as the Pre-Wrath Rapture, not the Pre-Trib Rapture. As we read, we need to pay close attention to "we," believers, or "they," unbelievers.

1Th 4-18; 5:1-11 starts with "comfort one another," and ends with "comfort yourselves." No sudden destruction could comfort one. It says to brethren, believers, "Wherefore COMFORT ONE ANOTHER (about fleeing in the Pre-Trib Rapture). But of the times and the seasons, brethren (believers), ye (believers) have no need that I write unto you (believers). For yourselves (believers) know perfectly that the day of the Lord (the Millennium) so cometh (first day) as a thief in the night. For when THEY (unbelievers) shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon THEM (unbelievers), as travail upon a woman with child; and THEY (unbelievers) shall NOT ESCAPE (ekpheugo, flee out, i.e., be raptured). But ye, brethren (believers), are not in darkness, that that day (first day of the millenial Day of the Lord) should overtake you (believers) as a thief. Ye (believers) are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we (believers) are not of the night, nor of darkness. Therefore let us (believers) not sleep, as do others (unbelievers); but let us (believers) watch and be sober. For THEY (unbelievers) that sleep sleep in the night; and THEY (unbelievers) that be drunken are drunken in the night. But let us (believers), who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation. For God hath not appointed us (believers) to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, Who died for us (believers), that, whether we (believers), wake or sleep, we (believers) should live together with him (in Heaven). Wherefore COMFORT YOURSELVES" (believers)."

Luke 21:34-36 says, "And take heed to yourselves (believers), lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you (believers) unawares. For as a snare shall it (day of destruction) come on all THEM (unbelievers) that dwell on the face of the whole earth. Watch ye (believers) therefore, and pray always, that ye (believers) may be ACCOUNTED WORTHY TO ESCAPE (ekpheugo, to flee out, escape, i.e., by being raptured) all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man" (at the Pre-Trib Rapture). Rev. 3:10 (Darby) says, "Because thou (Philadelphian believers, i.e., those overcomers for whom Jesus has no words of condemnation) hast kept the word of my patience (hupomone, cheerful, hopeful, constant, patient waiting), I also will keep thee (Philadelphian believers) OUT OF THE HOUR (hora, time to be determined by the context) OF TRIAL (Tribulation, 70th week of Dan. 9:27), WHICH IS ABOUT TO COME (i.e., after the Pre-Trib Rapture) upon the whole habitable world, to try them that dwell upon the earth" (i.e., to try those that weren't caught up in the Pre-Trib Rapture).

> > The "explanation" of those missing may well be that they were destroyed in a nuclear exchange. Will this be "the lie" that those are left behind will believe? See II Thes. chapter 2.

I don't think so. A nuclear exchange did not take place on the day Noah went into the Ark. Therefore, I don't expect a nuclear exchange on the day of the Pre-Trib Rapture.

However, the asteroids of Rev. 8:8,10 will impact Earth on the same day as the Pre-Wrath Rapture. That destruction will be like the destruction when Lot came out of Sodom. There was fire and brimstone then. The asteroid that impacted the Earth in Lot's day split the Earth, forming the Great Rift Valley that goes from Turkey to Lake Nyassa in Africa.

The Dead Sea was formed in Lot's day. Gen 14:3 says, "All these (kings) were joined together in the vale (valley) of Siddim (Siddiym, flats), which is (now) THE SALT SEA."

The (LXX) has, "this is now the sea of salt (melach).

The Dead Sea's water level is the lowest point on the surface of the Earth, about 1300 feet below sea level. Bedrock below is about 1300 feet below the water level. It has about ten times the salinity of the oceans. The lower level is so saturated that salt precipitates out on the bottom, where hot springs and magnetic motions have also been found. The continuous movement of the earth's layers is "stretching" the Dead Sea at the rate of one centimeter a year.

I wonder if Saddam Hussein stored atomic bomb materials underneath Nebuchadnezzar's palace in Babylon. I saw a picture of guards at the door. When the asteroid of Rev. 8:10 comes in, it could set off some extra fireworks at Babylon. Either way, no one will ever set foot there again. "Because of the wrath of the LORD it shall not be inhabited, but it shall be wholly desolate: every one that goeth by Babylon shall be astonished, and hiss at all her plagues" (Jer. 50:13). Agape

Incoming email, Re: two questions

Thank you for the effort you put into your website. What a blessing to the son's and daughters of God. I just had a couple of questions to ask if you have time to respond. I'm sure you are very busy and I appreciate the time you are taking to read this. I was wondering if you had invested much time in studying Matt 22, and if so, Who do you think the servants are that call the people to the wedding feast? Also what function do you believe the 144,000 in Rev 14 serve, on earth? And do you think that being undefiled with women refers to them not being corrupted by false teachings of churches ( symbolized by women in prophecy)? I desire to serve my Lord in whatever capacity He desires. I know that time is short and that there is a mighty work to be done through the power of the Holy Spirit. I pray that we will be used to His glory. I know that our Father will make His will known to us, and to all that desire to do His will. Thank you again for your time.

My reply

Thanks for your kind words.

> > Matt 22, and if so, Who do you think the servants are that call the people to the wedding feast?

Mankind, prophets, Bible teachers, because they can be killed. Mt. 22:6 says, "And the remnant took his servants, and entreated them spitefully, and slew them."

> > what function do you believe the 144,000 in Rev 14 serve, on earth?

Since they are virgins, firstfruits and without fault before the throne of God, they are added to the Bride of Christ group. Thus, they will do as the Bride does now, witness to others and teach about the Redeemer, Mashiach, Yahweh of hosts, Yeshua/Jesus.

I expect them to show their brethren Prov 30:4. It says, "Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, AND WHAT IS HIS SON'S NAME, if thou canst tell?"

I expect them to show the Jews Zech 3:1-11 in the LXX. It says, "the Lord shewed me JESUS THE HIGH PRIEST standing before the angel of the Lord, and the Devil stood on his right hand to resist him. And the Lords said to the Devil,The Lord rebuke thee, O Devil, even the Lord that has chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: behold! is not this as a brand plucked from the fire? Now JESUS was clothed in filthy raiment (he took our sins upon himself), and stood before the angel. And the Lord answered and spoke to those who stood before him, saying, Take away the filthy raiment from him: and he said to him, Behold, I have taken away thine iniquities: and clothe ye him with a long robe,and place a pure mitre upon his head. So they placed a PURE MITRE UPON HIS HEAD, and clothed him with garments: and the angel of the Lord stood by.

"And the angel of the Lord testified to JESUS, saying, Thus saith the Lord Almighty; If thou wilt walk in my ways, and take heed to my charges, then shalt thou judge my house: and if thou wilt diligently keep my court, then will I give thee men to walk in the midst of these that stand here. Hear now, JESUS the high priest, thou, and thy neighbours that are sitting before thee: for they are diviners (showing forth the future), for, behold, I bring forth MY SERVANT THE BRANCH (HaMASHIACH). For as for the stone (planet) which I have set before the face of JESUS (for his throne, Eze. 1:26), on the one stone (Saturn) are seven eyes (orbs, rings): behold, I am digging a trench, saith the Lord Almighty (Jesus, Rev. 1:8), and I will search out all the iniquity of that land in one day.In that day, saith the Lord Almighty (Jesus), ye shall call together every man his neighbour under the vine (Jesus) and under the fig-tree" (Israel).

I would also expect them to quote John 15:1-6. In it Jesus said, "I AM THE TRUE VINE, and my Father is the husbandman. Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit. Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you. Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. I AM THE VINE, YE ARE THE BRANCHES: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned."

I would expect the 144,000 to quote Rev. 22:16. It says, "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root (Yahweh of hosts) AND the offspring of David (Yeshua/Jesus), and the bright and morning star" (Saturn, his throne, is a morning star about five months of the year).

Isa. 44:6 shows how Yeshua can be both the root and offspring of David. It says, "Thus saith the LORD (YHWH, YAHWEH) the King of Israel, AND his redeemer the LORD (YHWH) of hosts; I am the first (YHWH, King of Israel), AND I am the last (YHWH OF HOSTS, YESHUA HAMASHIACH); and beside me there is no God." Psa 110:1 ties in. It says, "A Psalm of David. The LORD (YHWH King of Israel) said unto my Lord (YHWH of hosts), Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool."

I expect the 144,000 to also explain Isa. 53:1-7. It says, "Who hath believed our report? and to whom is THE ARM OF THE LORD (YESHUA/JESUS, SON OF GOD) revealed? For he (Yeshua, YHWH of hosts) shall grow up before him YHWH King of Israel) as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him. He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not. Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. But HE WAS WOUNDED FOR OUR TRANSGRESSIONS, HE WAS BRUISED FOR OUR INIQUITIES: THE CHASTISEMENT OF OUR PEACE WAS UPON HIM; AND WITH HIS STRIPES WE ARE HEALED. All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and THE LORD HATH LAID ON HIM THE INIQUITY OF US ALL. He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter."

The Lamb of God is our true Passover lamb. I Cor. 5:7 says, "CHRIST, OUR PASSOVER IS SACRIFICED FOR US." The 144,000 will understand and teach this. So will Moses and Elijah.

> > do you think that being undefiled with women refers to them not being corrupted by false teachings of churches ( symbolized by women in prophecy)?

The 144,000 are saved out of the Tribulation. They are not members of the harlot church. A woman stands for a religious group during the Tribulation in Rev. 17 and 18. Verse 17:3 says, "I saw a WOMAN sit upon a scarlet coloured beast (the red dragon of Rev. 12:3), full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. This woman is the world's United Religions (UR), having in it both Christian and pagan religious groups.

UR is first headed up by The Beast of Rev. 13:3-10, which I think is the Tribulation Pope. During the last half of the Tribulation, the Great Tribulation, UR is headed up by the Satan-possessed False Prophet of Rev. 13:11-18.

Abraham was told to come out of UR in Babylonia, and believers in Christ are told to come out of the modern UR, "MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH" (17:5).

Rev. 18:4,5 says, "Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities."

This UR will be moved to literal Babylon in Iraq. Zech. 5:5-11 says, "Then the angel that talked with me went forth, and said unto me, Lift up now thine eyes, and see WHAT IS THIS THAT GOETH FORTH. And I said, What is it? And he said, This is an ephah (largest wheat measure, i.e., largest church group) that goeth forth. He said moreover, This is their resemblance through ALL THE EARTH (i.e., this is the world church). And, behold, there was lifted up a talent of lead: and this is A WOMAN (the harlot church of Rev. 17 and 18) that sitteth in the midst of the ephah (world church). And he said, This is wickedness. And he cast it into the midst of the ephah; and he cast the weight of lead upon the mouth thereof. Then lifted I up mine eyes, and looked, and, behold, there came out TWO WOMEN (two religious groups that have joined the world church), and the wind was in their wings; for they had wings like the wings of a stork: and they lifted up the ephah between the earth and the heaven. Then said I to the angel that talked with me, Whither do these bear the ephah? And he said unto me, To build it an house in the land of Shinar (where the Tower of Babel, meaning confusion, was started, Gen. 11:2, i.e., in Babylon, capitol of Chaldea): and it shall be established, and set there upon her own base" (the Tower of Babel will be finished, built, and then finished, destroyed). Agape

Incoming email, Re: Please Update Us for Prayer

It's so good to see you post more regularly. The last word we had about Ed's condition was that he was simply not strong enough to stand and was in bed. Can you update us on his health and your own? Many of us want to keep you both in prayer before the throne and updates are very helpful in that goal.

Praying that we are all together soon!

My reply

Thanks for everything.

I have moments of pain to warn me what not to do, but am ok most of the time. My lower outside leg and right foot are numb like when your foot goes to sleep for lack of circulation. (My right ankle and foot are swollen.) At the Care and Rehab Center where Ed was, I stopped using the walker, because they wondered who would be helping who. About the next day, I stepped up on the curb in front of the place with my right foot. My right knee just never kicked in to hold me up. It might as well have been water. I've heard of trick knees. Maybe that is what it is like. I was shocked to be down on the concrete so fast. Since that, I have been very careful to step up with my left foot first. That has worked ok so far. I'm off of pain pills.

Ed is (now off) pain pills. He can walk with his walker to the family room and sit in his lift chair to watch TV. He was able to walk with his walker to the car, so I took him to the Dr. for his checkup this week. I got a wheel chair for the rest of the trip into the building and down a long hall. We have to go to another Dr. next week. Will probably do the same then. He got the doctor's ok to return to Cardiac Rehab and just do whatever he can manage until his strength builds up. I still have to do lots of things for him that he just can't do, but he's making progress. That's the main thing.

(The only thing he was able to do at Rehab was pull weights with his arms. He couldn't get on the stationary bicycle. Good thing we have just the pedals at home that he can use when sitting in a chair.) ...Agape

Support for authenticity of book of Matthew comes from an unlikely place

By NEIL ALTMAN, The Kansas City Star, posted 6-7-03

Buried in ancient texts of Jewish historical works are fragments of evidence that appear to show the first book of the New Testament actually was written by one of Jesus' apostles....

Israel J. Yuval of Jerusalem's Hebrew University reported a find in the Talmud that appears to show Matthew could have been written earlier than some scholars contend.

Yuval wrote that a leading rabbinical scholar of the time was "considered to have authored a sophisticated parody of the Gospel according to Matthew."

The parody, written by a rabbi known as Gamaliel, is believed by some well-respected liberal Christian scholars to have been written about A.D. 73 or earlier.

The fact the parody exists and the date when it was believed to be written "would undercut badly (biblical critics') claims of a late date of A.D. 85-90 or later," said Bob Newman, professor of New Testament at Biblical Theological Seminary in Pennsylvania.

"That is very significant and very important," said Tim Skinner, associate professor of Bible and theology at Luther Rise Seminary in Georgia, because that validates the legitimacy of Matthew's confirms the truthfulness of the biblical account in Matthew and confirms the truth of what Jesus did."

Blomberg said a close study of the parody's wording indicates it was based on an existing text. If that text was Matthew, the Gospel existed much earlier than some scholars believe....

Among the challenges to Christianity was the charge that Jews had rejected Jesus and that no Jewish leaders or scholars ever accepted Jesus as the Messiah. But even one of the most revered Jewish texts, the Talmud, a collection of rabbinical writings from 100 B.C. to A.D. 500, suggests otherwise.

In the second century A.D., Rabbi Judah Ha Nasi (A.D. 135-200) purged the Mishnah, part of the Talmud, of many references to Christianity and those who adhered to it. But not everything was edited out.

In his classic work, The History of the Talmud, Jewish Talmudic scholar Michael L. Rodkinson wrote: "There were passages in the Mishnayoth concerning Jesus and his teaching...the Messianists...(were) many and considerable persons and in close alliance with their colleagues the Pharisees during the (first) two centuries."...

The Talmud mentions that the Romans hanged Jesus from a tree, while in another text section the Talmud does something done nowhere else but the New Testament -- mentions Jesus' birth.

English scholar R. Travers Herford, in his book Christianity in Talmud and Midrash, wrote that rabbinical writings mention that Jesus' mother, Mary, was "descended from princes and rulers."

Despite the noble lineage, Herford noted, the Talmudic text referred to Jesus as "Ben Pandira," roughly translated as "son of a virgin," which was considered an epithet....

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