Pro and Con 1043

Posted 8-7-03

Incoming email, Re: A new timeline

I am stymied by the dumbest things and all of our material possessions are disappearing, but Praise God we are together and the Love of Jesus shines forth on His Bride. Thank you for opening the doors on Bible prophecy and for always showing the loving side of Jesus to those who disagree.

If you could, would you kindly post a new timeline with April 6, 2008 as the date of the Second Coming? I presume that the 2nd half of the Trib is only 7 months? Yet midtrib is a true 1260 days from the start of Tribulation?

Possibly we will go on Tisha B'av this year. Written prophecy is much like the Bible Codes, there are so many different ways that dates and verses can be interpreted that it becomes a mass of confusion esp when there are "scholars" who have scriptural proof for their theories. You have remained faithful and open to change when someone shows a new light on verses of prophecy. Yet you also have remained humble when others storm through your site with repeated intellectual perfection.

I pray the Lord will bless you and all who hold you in derision. The church at Philadelphia is not required to repent because brotherly kindness and Agape are the highest virtues to those who have an open Door before them. We are not strong and we do not storm through life as we walk in the Spirit, but we watch and Hope and pray and Love and endure. What good are all the material possessions in the world if they will rust and cankor and burn away?

Thank you again for your dedication and sweet spirit.

My reply

Thanks for your kind words. I can't imagine the Great Tribulation being only 7 months long when Dan. 9:27 talks about 7 years. In that case, instead of 2007/2008, maybe we need to consider the next Jewish Leap Year, 5771 (our 2010/2011) as the beginning of the millennial kingdom of Christ. 5771 starts Sept. 9, 2010. The year 2010 - 1967 = 43 years for the last generation. Is that possible?

Yes. In Mt. 1:17, there are 42 generations from Abraham to Christ. BC 2035 - BC 5 = 2030 years. 2030 divided by 42 generations = 48.33 for one generation. 1967 + 48.33 = 2015.33, so the year 5771 (2009/2010) would still be within one possible generation.

The way I see it, the start date for the last generation has to be 1967. The parable of the fig tree in Mt. 24:32-34 says, "Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch (klados, scion broken off for grafting) is yet tender (apalos, young, i.e., no older than 19, as at the Exodus; 1948 + 19 = 1967), and putteth forth leaves (grows, i.e., Israel took Sinai, West Bank, Gaza Strip and Golan Heights in the Six-Day War of 1967), ye know that summer is nigh (the war started June 5; summer began June 21): So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things (Israel putting forth leaves), know that it (the end of the age, v. 3; the 'kingdom of God,' Luke 21:31) is near, even at the doors (symbol of the 2 Raptures, Rev. 3:8). Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled."

The parable in Luke 21:29-32 is a bit different. It says, "Behold the fig tree (Israel), and all the trees (other nations); When they now shoot (proballo, to cast or throw forth, i.e., in the Six-Day War, started June 5), ye see and know of your own selves that summer (June 21) is now nigh at hand. So likewise ye, when ye see these things (the war) come to pass, know ye that the KINGDOM OF GOD (the Millennial reign of Christ) is nigh at hand. Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled."

If Tishri 1, 5771 (1010/2011) could be the end of the age and the beginning of the Kingdom of God, the Tribulation would start about 7 years before that. 5771 - 7 = 5764, which will begin Sept. 27, 2003.

We know that the last half, the Great Tribulation is to be shortened, so the Pre-Trib Rapture could start a little beyond the Sept. 27 date. This Rapture is to be as the days of Noah (Mt. 24:37). Noah and his family went through the door of the Ark on Cheshvan 17. That would be Wed. Nov. 12 in 2003, a reasonable date to look forward to, especially since door is a symbol of the Rapture.

Next Pentecost, Sivan 7, 5764, would be Thursday, May 27, 2004, also reasonable. Song of Solomon 2:10-14 sure sounds like spring. Once we are gone, evil will mushroom quickly.

Tishri 1, 5771, is Sept. 9, 2010. Will that be the Day of God's Wrath. Seven months later, Nisan 1, 5771, is April 5, 2011. Will that be the Second Advent? We'll see. Agape

Interesting information on how the inscription on Absalom's Tomb was read

"One day the letters emerged," Part I of 2
By Dalia Karpel, 8-3-03
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=324448

Anthropologist Joe Zias spent two years bringing to light a mysterious inscription on Absalom's Tomb that led to a sensational revelation for the Christian world

When you stand on the round observation point called the Absalom's Tomb observatory, and look down at the arid Kidron Valley, you can see several ancient tombs carved into the mountain: Absalom's tomb, the Tomb of the Sons of Hezir and Zacharia's Tomb. Absalom's Tomb is the only monument that remains whole, and is the most magnificent of them all: a pitcher-shaped structure, about 20 meters high, hewn from the rock. Anthropologist Joe Zias spent most of his free time over the past two years next to this structure....

Zias sat in the shade of a tree near the site, reading a book,with a camera ready at his side. Every hour he examined the angle of the sun, checking to see if the inscription he was looking for would be illuminated and appear on the corner of the structure....

"For about two years I sat there regularly... I read a book and every hour I took a picture, until one day, actually at the end of the day, at dusk, the letters emerged."...

Zias was the one who discovered that earlier, for hundreds of years, the tomb was a holy site for Christians - at least according to the inscription he found, dated to the fourth century C.E., indicating that this is the grave of Zacharia the priest, father of John the Baptist - who, the New Testament says, baptized Jesus in the Jordan...

"As absurd as it sounds, the whole story began here in the apartment," he says. "I was sitting on the sofa with a student of art history who had written a thesis about Absalom's Tomb. She showed me a few black-and-white photos and asked me about the meaning of the circle that appears on the monument and can be seen in the photo.... I looked at the circle and told her that I actually could recognize the shapes of Greek letters. In other words, [there was] a kind of inscription next to the circle she was pointing to."

These photos had been taken by Zev Radovan, the leading photographer of archaeology in Israel....

I told him that I recognized letters as part of a Greek inscription and he laughed and said: `Forget it.'"...

I showed him the photo again, and he had to admit that I might be right. According to the angle of the sun he saw that the photo had been taken in the summer, toward dusk."

That conversation took place in the winter, about three years ago. Radovan and Zias got into the car and drove to Absalom's Tomb. "We went up to the site and...gornisht [nothing]," says Zias. "We didn't see a thing.

"I felt ridiculous, but Radovan explained to me how important the light is, that in the world of archaeology what you see at 9 A.M. you won't see at midday, because of the angle of the shadow. He told me that I had to come at the beginning of the summer at dusk, when the sun sits on the walls of Jerusalem."...

Until the right season came, Zias invited two colleagues to the site, senior archaeologists whose names he refuses to mention in order not to embarrass them. "I brought them because I don't read Greek and I'm not an archaeologist," he says. "At 10 A.M. we went up to the top and looked, and again I heard the argument that if Nahman Avigad didn't see the inscription, it doesn't exist."

According to Radovan's photograph, the letters should have been in the corner of the structure, about nine meters from the ground. "I understood that if I didn't make a cast, I would never know if I was hallucinating or if there was something there," says Zias. "Judging by the photographs, I decided that there was some inscription there, for certain....

"When the first summer arrived, in 2001, I saw something almost clearly," says Zias. "The inscription is located on the carved part above the door, and I stood on the nearby rock and photographed it, and for the first time I saw the inscription well. I understood that I needed scaffolding....With the help of dental silicon we planned to make a cast-replica of the inscription. I enlisted the help of the lab director of the Israel Museum in Jerusalem, Andre Weiner, because he is an excellent craftsman."

The two spread silicon on the inscription, waited until the material dried, and on it made a polyester mold. "My plan was that we would take it home and play around with the lighting in all directions," says Zias. "That's what we did, and we photographed and played around and invited experts - and nothing. It was very difficult to read it, but for the first time I heard people admit that there really was something there."

At this point, Zias turned to Prof. Father Emile Puech, a well known paleographer, who was a member of the international team of scholars studying the Qumran scrolls. Zias: "Father Puech is a very modest scholar, and one of the world's leading researchers in the field. He reads and writes excellent Hebrew, but doesn't speak it. I know him from the period when I was working at the Rockefeller Museum. I knew that he was like Avigad - didn't miss a heartbeat. He was among the first who said immediately, after one look, that the [purported] ossuary of James, Jesus' brother - which was hyped by Oded Golan, who was released from prison last week - was a forgery."

What did he say after you showed him the cast of the inscription from Absalom's Tomb?

"He looked at the cast and said, "Yes, there's something here. Call me in about a week.' I left him the cast in the monastery, and after a week I called and he said that he had about 50 letters figured out. I told him: It sounds like a miracle, I have to see it. Father Puech is an artist, and the moment he said that he had 50 letters figured out I knew that I could depend on him."

Puech decoded part of the inscription, which Zias says is about 1.2 meters long and 10 centimeters high. "This is the tomb of Zacharia, martyr, a very pious priest, father of John," it said. According to the New Testament, Zacharia the priest was the father of John the Baptist. Judging by the design and style of the letters, and the spacing between them, Puech determined that the inscription was written in the 4th century C.E., in other words, about 300 years after the structure was built, which testifies to the fact that the place was a Christian holy site at the time. In addition he discovered, in the upper lefthand corner, the Greek word "psycho," meaning soul, referring to the tomb. He also identified the name Simeon, but it is not known in what connection the name was written.

The reason why the inscription became eroded over the years, to the point where even Avigad didn't notice it, is related to the erroneous identification of the site with the tomb of Absalom, son of David. Avigad wrote, "It was a popular custom for a passerby to take a stone in his hand and throw it at the monument of the prodigal son, and sometimes they would add curses and spit."...In a photo from 1890, the site is seen surrounded by rocks thrown by pilgrims, and this is one of the reasons why the inscription became blurred and couldn't be seen."

Part 2

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=324443&contrassID=2&subContrassID=14&sbSubContrassID=0&listSrc=Y

...In 1965, scholar Avinoam Haimi wrote, in an article published in Haaretz, that over the generations the monuments in the Kidron Valley were associated with the names of many important personalities, some from the Tanakh (Hebrew Bible) and some from the New Testament. Absalom's Tomb was associated not only with Absalom but with the prophet Isaiah and King Jehoshaphat. The Tomb of the Sons of Hezir was associated with Simeon, who held the baby Jesus in the Temple and identified him as the Messiah; with Joseph, the husband of Mary; and with Saint James, brother of Jesus. The Tomb of Zacharia was associated with King Hezekia...

So who is Simeon and who is Zacharia, who are mentioned in the inscription? "One has to read the New Testament, chapters one and two in The Gospel According to Luke," says Zias. "There it tells of the priest Zacharia, who was an old man, and about his elderly and barren wife Elizabeth. When Zacharia served in the Temple, saying the prayers and burning the incense, he saw the angel Gabriel to the right of the altar. The angel promised him that a son would soon be born to him, `And thou shalt call his name John ... and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.'"

Zacharia, who didn't believe the promise because of his wife's advanced age, was punished by losing his power of speech. Five months later, the angel Gabriel embarked on a mission in Nazareth, where he informed the Virgin Mary that she would become pregnant by the Holy Ghost and would give birth to a son who would be called Jesus and who would be the Son of God. The angel also informed her that her cousin, the barren Elizabeth, "hath also conceived a son in her old age and this is the sixth month with her, who was called barren. For with God nothing shall be impossible."

Elizabeth gave birth to a son. When they came to circumcise him on the eighth day they wanted to call him Zacharia, after his father, but Elizabeth insisted that they call him John. Therefore the father was also asked his opinion, and since he was mute, he wrote the name John on a writing tablet. At that moment the power of speech returned to him. "This John is John the Baptist," says Zias. And Simeon? In Luke, we read: "And behold there was a man in Jerusalem whose name was Simeon, and the same man was just and devout."

The Holy Ghost appeared to Simeon as well, and from it he learned that he would not die before seeing the Messiah. The same spirit brought him to the Temple on the day the baby was brought there for the ceremony of the redemption of the firstborn son. When Simeon saw the baby he said that now he could die "because my eyes have seen your salvation."

An article about the discovery and interpretation of the inscription, written by Joe Zias and Prof. Emile Puech, was published about a month ago in the French scientific quarterly Revue Biblique. Zias: "Over the generations, people forgot that Absalom's Tomb was a Christian holy site. It [the inscription] was after all...above the door, and pilgrims would come there. Afterward, someone linked the site with Absalom, and I assume that it was never the tomb of Absalom."...

Zias claims that the name Zacharia was also mentioned in the writings of Josephus Flavius, as one of the 10 Jerusalemites who was put on trial; his head was severed and his body was thrown into the Valley of the Kings. "Jesus' brother, Jacob-James, was also thrown from the walls of Jerusalem," says Zias.

In the article he published with Prof. Puech there is a list of references, from the first century onward, regarding the identity of those buried at the site. The earliest source is Josephus, who wrote that the Zealots murdered a priest named Zacharia in the Temple, and his body was thrown into the Kidron Valley. "This explains why the inscription calls him a martyr.'"

In early Christian writings there are different versions regarding the burial place of Zacharia, Simeon and James. By the fourth century, however, there apparently was one established tradition, according to which all three are buried at one site in the Kidron Valley, although it is not known exactly which site is meant. "The important thing here in the inscription," says Zias, "is that Simeon and Zacharia appear. We are continuing to work, because there are other inscriptions on the tomb and there's a chance that we'll find the name James as well."...

The discovery of the inscription at Absalom's Tomb surprised him, says Peuch. The work of figuring out the inscription was not easy, because it was eroded and damaged. "First of all I identified the word `Zacharia" and I said to myself - oo-la - and when I figured out two words in Greek, which said that this is the monument of Zacharia, I said oo-la-la. Zacharia was a high priest and a righteous man, and when I read that he was a martyr and his father was John, that was already an amazing thing. That was a very moving moment for me."

Father Peuch claims the inscription verifies the words of the Byzantine traveler Theodosius, from the sixth century C.E., who writes that Zacharia was the father of John the Baptist, was a martyr, and was buried together with Simeon the Elder, who was the first to recognize the fact that Jesus was the Christ, and with James, Jesus' brother.

Absalom's Tomb, according to the tradition of over 1,000 years, was considered the tomb of Absalom, and now turns out to be the tomb of Zacharia....

Incoming email, Re: A Quick Overview of the History of the number 666

http://www.666man.net/666ReligionHistoryOverview.html

...The number itself comes directly out of the worship practices of the city of Babylon about the time of the bible prophet Daniel. The priests of Babylon promoted the worship of gods that were associated with the sun, moon, visible planets of our solar system, and certain of the stars involved with the practice of astrology (the Babylonians were the principle developers of astrology as we know it today). In their worship system, they had 37 supreme gods, and one of these, the god associated with the sun, was supreme over all the other gods. These people believed that numbers in some way had power over the gods they worshiped. But, first they had to create numbers that could be assigned to the gods so that they could have power over them. To do this, they counted their gods and assigned a count number to each of the 36 lesser supreme gods, and then added up all of these numbers (from 1 to 36) and assigned the sum to the sun god. The first god they counted got the number 1 assigned to it, and the 2nd god they counted got the number 2 assigned to it, and so on up to all 36 lesser supreme gods. Now, if you have not guessed it by now, the sum of the numbers from 1 to 36 totals 666, which was assigned to the god associated with the sun....

Incoming email, Re: UK may back new UN move on Iraq

By James Blitz, Political Editor

8-3-03 The UK government is for the first time talking openly about backing a new United Nations security council resolution on Iraq with the aim of giving India, Pakistan, Turkey and other states the domestic political cover they need to contribute to a multinational force.

As the US and UK look at ways of sharing the military burden of post-war Iraq, a top government officials has said preliminary negotiations over such a resolution could begin at the UN within a few weeks....

Incoming email, Re: strong delusion

Hello again, advocate of the WORD. I believe the bible states something to the effect that if it were possible even the elect would be fooled when this strong delusion comes.

Does this infer that the elect will be gone at that time? I mean, dose the rapture happen before or after the rapture? There are several beliefs, or rather assumptions, stating that the strong delusion will be the rapture being explained away by alien abduction, that Jesus is this guy or the other, and so on.

I think that if we could pinpoint the meanings of certain things such as exactly who or what is the restrainer, what is the strong delusion, who are the two witnesses, how long is a generation, and from when do we start the last generation count down and probably other key things, without assuming and guessing, there would not be this confusion about the timing of prophesied events.

God is not the author of confusion! Why are we so dumbfounded as to the truths in the bible?

If, and I believe there are, people who sincerely search the scriptures for truth, why are not they rewarded with understanding?

One major obstacle is who exactly are the called out ones who make up the true church of God? Jesus being the head and chief cornerstone, would let his "friends" in on his plans--wouldn't you think?

I'm growing exasperated! But, I know in the end God and the Word have it all under control. Somehow I have known it all my life.

My reply

> > if it were possible even the elect would be fooled when this strong delusion comes.

Mt. 24:24 says, "For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect."

Greek has 4 "if" clauses. I think one means "if and it is not possible." I don't know if it is used here or not, but it might be. I don't expect the very elect to be fooled.

> > Does this infer that the elect will be gone at that time? I mean, dose the rapture happen before or after the rapture?

There are two Raptures. The Pre-Trib Rapture, before the Tribulation, and the Pre-Wrath Rapture, just before God's Wrath hits Earth at the end of the shortened Great Tribulation. The wise virgins will be in Heaven before the Tribulation. The foolish virgins will be on Earth during the Tribulation, but will be raptured just before God's Wrath hits this planet.

Luke 21:36 says, "Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to ESCAPE all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man."

> > exactly who or what is the restrainer

Believers are the salt of the Earth. Salt restrains the growth of leaven (symbol of evil) in bread making. Likewise, we restrain the growth of evil and the revealing of the False Prophet, because the Holy Spirit of God is in us. Our restraining power is the indwelling Holy Spirit. When we are raptured, His restraining influence will be removed, and evil will mushroom.

> > what is the strong delusion

II Thess. 2:9-11 says, "Even him (the False Prophet), whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie."

It is probably believing that the False Prophet is Christ. Mt. 24:23,24 says, "Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect."

> > who are the two witnesses

Moses and Elijah. Mal. 4:5 says, "Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD.

Zech. 4:11-14 says, "What are these two olive trees upon the right side of the candlestick and upon the left side thereof? And I answered again, and said unto him, What be these two olive branches which through the two golden pipes empty the golden oil out of themselves? And he answered me and said, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my lord. Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the LORD of the whole earth." Moses and Elijah stood by the LORD of the whole Earth at the Transfiguration.

Mark 9:2-4 says, "after six days Jesus (LORD of the whole Earth) taketh with him Peter, and James, and John, and leadeth them up into an high mountain apart by themselves: and he was transfigured before them. And his raiment became shining, exceeding white as snow; so as no fuller on earth can white them. And there appeared unto them Elias (Elijah) with Moses: and they were talking with Jesus."

> > how long is a generation

It seems to be 40 years. In 30 AD, Jesus told the Pharisees that all these things would come upon that generation. They did, in 70 AD.

> > from when do we start the last generation count down

From the Six-Day War of 1967, when Israel regained the temple area. She grew leaves (Sinai, West Bank, Golen Heights and Gaza Strip) in that war.

The fig tree parable of Mt. 24:3 says, "Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch (klados, scion broken off for grafting) is yet tender (apalos, young, i.e., no more than 19, as she was in 1967), and putteth forth leaves (grows), ye know that summer is nigh (the war started June 5; summer started June 21): So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it (the Kingdom of God, Luke 21:31) is near, even at the doors (a symbol of the two Raptures, Rev. 3:8). Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled."

We are getting close to the Rapture. Be ready. Use I John 1:9 to bring any sins not already under the blood of Christ under it. We want to be counted as righteous virgins, the Bride of Christ.

If this generation is 40 years, it would end in the Jewish 5768 (2007/2008), a Jewish Leap Year. If this generation is 43 years, it would end in 5771 (2010/2011), the next Jewish Leap Year. I think it has to be a Leap Year because that is the only way there could be 7 months (Eze. 39:12,13) between the catastrophe on Tishri 1, the Feast of Trumpets, and the Second Advent on the following Nisan 1, first day of the Jewish Regnal and Sacred Year.

If we subtract the 7-year Tribulation from 5771, we get 5764. It starts Sept. 27, 2003. The Rapture could take place any time, but I'll be watching on Aug. 8. That is Av 10, the time that Jeremiah said Solomon's temple burned. That was the first time.

In 70 AD, Herod's temple fire was set on the grounds on Av 9, but it burned into the temple proper on Av 10. That was the second time.

We are the temple of the Holy Spirit. I wonder if we would go up into the clouds at the same time that the smoke of the temple went up into the clouds. If so, this would be the third time.

If not then--soon. Current events are lining up according to prophecy. When the salt of the Earth are caught up, the Holy Spirit will no longer restrain the appearance of the wicked one, the man of sin, the son of perdition. Things will probably come together fast then.

> > God is not the author of confusion! Why are we so dumbfounded as to the truths in the bible?

I think we will know soon. The wise are to understand, but the wicked will not understand (Dan. 12:10). Clues are here and there in the Bible so the wicked will not figure it out. Isa. 28:9-13 gives us more on the reason. It is found at the end.

It says, "Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts (i.e., when the church is old). For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: For with stammering lips and another tongue (i.e., speaking in tongues on Pentecost in 30 AD) will he speak to this people. To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear. But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken."

> > If, and I believe there are, people who sincerely search the scriptures for truth, why are not they rewarded with understanding?

We are, little by little. There is so much packed into the Bible that one can't learn it all in a lifetime. We have to keep studying. II Tim. 2:15 says, "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth."

> > who exactly are the called out ones who make up the true church of God?

Those that have accepted Yeshua haMashiach, the Lord Jesus Christ, as their own personal Saviour.

> > Jesus being the head and chief cornerstone, would let his "friends" in on his plans--wouldn't you think?

In Mark 13:23, Jesus said, "take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things." It is all there. We just don't understand everything yet.

> > I'm growing exasperated!

Relax. Let it go. We will be rewarded for our patient enduring. Rev. 3:10 says, "Because thou hast kept the word of my patience (hupomone, patient enduring), I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world (the Tribulation), to try them that dwell upon the earth." Agape

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