Pro and Con 1044

Posted 8-11-03

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Lauren (5 Aug 2003)

My reply

> > 1.) If the sounding of the seventh angel finishes the mystery of God. It does. Rev 10:7 says, "in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets."

The high point of prophecy is reached when Jesus receives his kingdom. We read of it in Dan. 7:14. It says, "there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed."

Rev 11:15-19 tells more about his kingdom. It says, "the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art (on the Day of God's Wrath), and wast (at the First Advent), and art to come (7 months later at the Second Advent, Eze. 39:12,13); because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. And the nations were angry (Gog's army was attacking Jerusalem), and THY WRATH IS COME, and the time of the dead, that they should be JUDGED (at the Judgment Seat of Christ), and that thou shouldest give REWARD unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; AND shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth. And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail."

In the Ark are the two stone tablets with the 10 commandments on them. Since the commandments have been broken, a binary asteroid that breaks into the two stones of Rev. 8:8,10 will be dumped on unbelievers on Earth at the same time the believers are receiving their rewards in Heaven.

> > 2.) If AT THE LAST TRUMPET the dead shall be raised incorruptible and we that are alive shall be changed.

There are two trumps of God. They are sounded by God, not by angels. The first trump of God is in I Thess. 4:15-17, the last in I Cor. 15:51,52. When the first trump of God sounds, the Pre-Trib Rapture takes place. When the last trump of God sounds, the Pre-Wrath Rapture takes place.

I Thess. 4:15-17 says, "this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with THE TRUMP OF GOD: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."

1Co 15:52 tells us of the last trump of God. It says, "In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at THE LAST TRUMP: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed."

These two trumps of God were prefigured in Nu. 10:1-4. It says, "the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Make thee TWO TRUMPETS of silver; of a whole piece shalt thou make them: that thou mayest use them for the calling of the assembly, and for the journeying of the camps. And when they shall blow with them (both), ALL THE ASSEMBLY (Heb. 12:23) (both from Heaven and Earth, Mark 13:27) shall assemble themselves to thee at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation. And if they blow but with one trumpet (the FIRST TRUMP), then the princes, which are heads of the thousands of Israel (the 24 elders, Rev. 4:4), shall gather themselves unto thee."

When the first trump sounds, the wise Philadelphian virgins (the Bride of Christ) will be caught up to Heaven with the 24 elders in the Pre-Trib Rapture.

When the 2nd trump sounds to call up the Tribulation saints at the Pre-Wrath Rapture, the #1 trumpet sounds again to call the Bride saints to the general assembly from one end of Heaven to the other. Mark 13:27 says, "then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the EARTH (the Pre-Wrath Rapture) to the uttermost part of HEAVEN (those caught up previously in the Pre-Trib Rapture."

> > 3.) If this is the day death is swallowed up in victory.

That comes when we actually become immortal after the second Rapture (I Cor. 15:51-54). We have immortality now because Christ has promised us. Then, we will actually be immortal.

> > 4.) If this is the day that Yeshua can leave His Fathers right hand and will defeat his enemies who are under His footstool at Armageddon.

> > 5.) If this is the restitution of all things of this age being fulfilled on the "last day" of Daniel's 70th week.

> > 6.) If it is the will of the Father that the dead be resurrected at the last day and the will of the Father who sent Yeshua that EVERYONE WHO SEES HIM, obviously those who are alive, that YESHUA RAISE THESE UP at the last day."

Some are raised up at the first trump on the first day (at the Pre-Trib Rapture). Others are raised up at the last trump on the last day (at the Pre-Wrath Rapture). John 6:39,40 says, "this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should RAISE (anistemi, lift up, raise) it up AGAIN (anistemi, lift up, raise again) AT THE LAST DAY. And this is the will of him that sent me, that EVERY ONE which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise (anistemi, lift up, raise) him up AT THE LAST DAY."

At the first Rapture, "they (the wise virgin Bride saints) that are with him (Christ) are called, and chosen, and faithful" (Rev. 17:14).

If they are foolish virgins, they will be cast out the first time, but not the second time. Mat 22:11-14 says, "when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment (as the Laodiceans): And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless. (this foolish Laodicean virgin thought he had it made.) Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; THERE SHALL BE WEEPING AND GNASHING OF TEETH. FOR MANY ARE CALLED, BUT FEW ARE CHOSEN."

Luke 12:46 says, "The lord of that servant (the foolish one) will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder (lit., cut him off), and will appoint him his portion (the shortened Tribulation) WITH THE UNBELIEVERS." Mt. 24:51 adds, "And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites (pretenders): THERE SHALL BE WEEPING AND GNASHING OF TEETH."

The picture is different AT THE LAST DAY. At the Pre-Wrath Rapture, every saint, "them that fear thy name, small and great" (Rev. 11:18) will be caught up.

Believers are sure of being caught up to Heaven on the last day, but the Bride will have been caught up before the Tribulation begins. John 6:44 says, "No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up AT THE LAST DAY" (i.e., at the last Rapture, which will be on the first day of the Millennium).

John 6:54 says, "Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up AT THE LAST DAY." In John 11:24, "Martha saith unto him (Jesus), I know that he (Lazarus) shall rise again (anistemi) in the resurrection AT THE LAST DAY." John 12:48 says, "He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him (at the Judgment Seat of Christ) in THE LAST DAY" (i.e., at the Pre-Wrath Rapture that precedes the Judgment Seat of Christ on the first day of Christ's millennial reign).

This is the day of the Judgment Seat of Christ. It is the last day to be raptured, the day that the 7 trumpet judgments are to be cast on the unbelievers left on Earth.

These last-day texts refer to the last Rapture. It comes at the "last trump" of God. The first Rapture is the first "trump of God." This last trump of God is not to be confused with the 7th trumpet judgment. It is sounded by an angel, not God. The 7th trumpet follows the Pre-Wrath Rapture on that first day of the millennial Kingdom of Christ. The 7 trumpet judgments are not cast on Earth until Christ sits and judges at the Judgment Seat of Christ.

The saints will receive their rewards in Heaven at the same time the unbelievers on Earth will get their just rewards for their unbelief.

> > My question is this, without "breaking" the will of the Father, how can there be a "rapture" before the last day?

Because there are two Raptures, one for the wise virgins and one for the foolish virgins that got left behind the first time.

The first group to be caught up to Heaven are seen in Rev. 5:9. They are "out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation."

The second group, the 144,000 plus a great multitude that can't be numbered "are they which came out of GREAT TRIBULATION, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb."

Notice that the first group do not have to wash their robes in the blood of Christ. They already have white robes. The Philadelphians before whom the "open door" of Rev. 3:8 is set have no words of condemnation listed against them. Neither do the wise virgins. Both are the Bride of Christ. The 144,000 Israelites that come out of the Great Tribulation are added to the Bride group, because in Rev. 14:2-5, we see that "they are without fault before the throne of God." Verse 4 says, "THEY ARE VIRGINS" and "FIRSTFRUITS." They too sing the song that those of the first Rapture sing (Rev. 5:9; 14:3), and "no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed FROM THE EARTH."

The fine linen is literally the righteousnesses (plural) of saints (Rev. 19:8). It includes Christ's righteousness imputed to us and our own righteous acts when we are filled with the oil of the Holy Spirit. Without the Holy Spirit, we would be as clanging cymbals. Our good deeds need to be done when we are filled with the Holy Spirit. When we are filled with the Holy Spirit, we have God's agape love in us. It is one of his attributes.

I Cor. 13:1-3 says, "Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity (agape, love, God's kind), I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity (agape, love), I am nothing. And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity (agape, love), it profiteth me nothing."

Confessing our sins will wash our robes (I John 1:9). The Laodiceans are not wearing white garments, so they are left behind to be chastised. Then they will wash their robes like they should have before the first Rapture. They will be caught up on the Day of God's Wrath, but before God's wrath hits Earth at noon (Zeph. 2:2-5). They will be caught up in the night or morning. Agape

The Beginning of the 70 weeks of Daniel 9:24-27

By Marilyn Agee

The Lord sent the Israelites into captivity for 70 years. Those were literal Jewish lunisolar years.

Daniel read Jer. 25:11: "this whole land shall be a desolation, and an astonishment; and these nations shall serve the king of Babylon seventy years." Since the Israelites were not to serve 71 years, the LORD arranged for the commandment to build Jerusalem to be issued at the end of the 70th year. The 483 years of Dan. 9:25,26 start where the 70 end. The Jews continued counting their own literal Jewish lunisolar years. There is nothing that would indicate that there was a change in the length of the year at the end of the 70-year captivity.

Isa. 23-28 says, "Sing, O ye heavens; for the LORD hath done it: shout, ye lower parts of the earth: break forth into singing, ye mountains, O forest, and every tree therein: for the LORD hath redeemed Jacob, and glorified himself in Israel. Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself; That frustrateth the tokens of the liars, and maketh diviners mad; that turneth wise men backward, and maketh their knowledge foolish; THAT CONFIRMETH THE WORD OF HIS SERVANT, AND PERFORMETH THE COUSEL OF HIS MESSENGERS, THAT SAITH TO JERUSALEM THOU SHALT BE INHABITED, AND TO THE CITIES OF JUDAH, YE SHALL BE BUILT, and I will raise up the decayed places thereof: That saith to the deep, Be dry, and I will dry up thy rivers: THAT SAITH OF CYRUS, He is my shepherd, and shall perform all my pleasure: EVEN SAYING TO JERUSALEM, THOU SHALT BE BUILT; and to the temple, Thy foundation shall be laid."

When Darius and Cyrus took Babylon, they were Co-Rex, but within less than 2 years, Cyrus was Sole-Rex. In the 1st year of Darius, Daniel said, "In the first year of his reign I Daniel understood by books the number of the years, whereof the word of the LORD came to Jeremiah the prophet, that he would accomplish seventy years in the desolations of Jerusalem" (Dan. 9:2).

In the 1st year of Darius, when there were about 2 years left of the 70, one attributed to Darius and the other to Cyrus, Daniel was given skill and understanding to understand the message given to him. Seventy weeks of years, 490 ordinary Jewish lunisolar years, were determined upon the Israelites. In his first year as Sole-Rex, Cyrus issued the commandment to rebuild Jerusalem and the temple

The beginning of the 490 years immediately followed the end of the 70-year captivity. There was no sudden change from the "average" 365-day year (averaged over the 19-year cycle) to a 360-day year. Daniel would have counted the 490 years just as he had counted the 70 years. He was given understanding. Since he was not told of a change in the number of days in a year, his understanding would have been to continue on as they had during the preceding 70 years.

Being given the prophecy of the 483 years between the 70-year captivity and the death of the Messiah, Daniel would have been delighted to find out that Cyrus issued the decree within about 2 years of the prophecy. The Jews of that day would have known exactly when that countdown began.

When working out Bible Chronology, we must take what the Bible says as true all the way through. Otherwise, the result would be skewed. It is, after all, BIBLE Chronology. Why, after starting with Adam was 130 when Seth was born, would anyone later decide to lay aside what the Bible says at such a crucial time as the first year of Cyrus?

The Bible interprets itself, and it gives us all the clues we need to work out the chronology from Adam to the Crucifixion of Christ. Bible chronologers should stick to the Bible, not the Canon of Ptolemy, a heathen astrologer, who lived from about 70 to 161 AD. He also thought that the Earth was stationary and at the center of the universe. We know better today.

Martin Anstey found that Ptolemy had counted 205 years for the era of the Persian kings, when it should have been 123. That was an 82-year mistake. BC 536 - 82 = BC 454. Also, 483 - BC 454 + 1 [no zero yr] = 30 AD. That agrees with Scripture. Bible Chronology from the creation of Adam to the Crucifixion starts in BC 4043 and ends in 30 AD.

Here is what Anstey wrote concerning Ptolemy: "But he did not possess sufficient data to enable him to fill the gaps, or to fix the dates of the Chronology of this period, so he had to resort to the calculation of eclipses. In this way then, not by historical evidence or testimony, but by the method of astronomical calculation, and the conjectural identification of recorded with calculated eclipses, the Chronology of this period of the world's history has been fixed by Ptolemy, since when, through Eusebius and Jerome, it has won its way to universal acceptance. It is contradicted (1) by the national traditions of Persia, (2) by the national traditions of the Jews, (3) by the testimony of Josephus, and (4) by the conflicting evidence of such well-authenticated events as the Conference of Solon with Croesus, and the flight of Themistocles to the court of Artaxerxes Longimanus, which make the accepted Chronology impossible. But the human mind cannot rest in a state of perpetual doubt. There was this one system elaborated by Ptolemy. There was no other except that given in the prophecies of Daniel. Hence, whilst the Ptolemaic astronomy was overthrown by Copernicus in the 16th Century, the reign of the Ptolemaic Chronology remains to this day. There is one, and only one alternative. The prophecy of Daniel 9:24-27 fixes the period between the going forth of the commandment to return and to build Jerusalem (in the first year of Cyrus) to the cutting off of the Messiah (in the year A.D. 30) as a period of 483 years. If this be the true Chronology of the period from the 1st year of Cyrus to the Crucifixion, it leaves only 123 years instead of the 205 given in Ptolemy's Canon, for the duration of the Persian Empire....

"But the true point of departure for the 70 weeks, and therefore for the 483 years also, is unquestionably the 1st year of Cyrus (Dan. 9, 2 Chron. 36:20-23, Ezra 1:1-4, Isa. 44:28, 45:1-4,13), and no other epoch would ever have been suggested but for the fact that the count of the years was lost, and wrongly restored from Ptolemy's conjectural astronomical calculations."

The LORD caused Cyrus to make a proclamation in his first year of his being Sol-Rex. II Chron 36:20-23 says, "To fulfil the word of the LORD by the mouth of Jeremiah, until the land had enjoyed her sabbaths: for as long as she lay desolate she kept sabbath, to fulfil threescore and ten years (70). Now in the FIRST YEAR OF CYRUS king of Persia, that the word of the LORD spoken by the mouth of Jeremiah might be accomplished, THE LORD STIRRED UP THE SPIRIT OF CYRUS KING OF PERSIA, THAT HE MADE A PROCLAMATION throughout all his kingdom, and PUT IT ALSO IN WRITING, saying, Thus saith Cyrus king of Persia, ALL THE KINGDOMS OF THE EARTH HATH THE LORD GOD OF HEAVEN GIVEN ME; and HE HATH CHARGED ME TO BUILD HIM AN HOUSE IN JERUSALEM, which is in Judah. Who is there among you of all his people? The LORD his God be with him, and let him go up."

Ezra 2:64 tells us that "the whole congregation together was forty and two thousand three hundred and threescore." Of course they were expected to build themselves houses. Thus Jerusalem was restored.

Anstey explained that "From 1st year Cyrus, to 1st year Alexander the Great 123 years
From 1st year Alexander the Great to Herod (B.C. 331-4) 327 years
From 1st year Cyrus, to the birth of Christ 450 years

If, then, the wise men from the East had heard of Daniel's prophecy, and had kept an accurate account of the years, and if the Jews of Palestine were also expecting the Messiah at the very time when He was born (B.C. 4) on the ground that it was then within 33 years of the 483 predicted in Daniel for His appearance, and therefore now time for Him to be born, this would indicate that they reckoned the time between the 1st year of Cyrus and the birth of Christ as a period of 450 years. And since the 327 years (B.C. 331 to B.C. 4) from Alexander the Great to the birth of Christ were in all probability accurately computed by the Greeks, for they began their reckoning by Olympiads within 60 years of Alexander's death, it leaves exactly these 123 years for the duration of the Persian Empire, and abridges the accepted Ptolemaic Chronology by 82 years, for 205-123 = 82, which is the exact year expressed for these events in the Chronology of the Old Testament, as developed in these pages, for Cyrus' 1st year is shown to be the year AN. HOM. 3589, whence 3589 + 483 = 4071 (inclusive reckoning), for the Crucifixion." I don't know why Anstey used inclusive reckoning here, unless he was just getting tired. Inclusive reckoning was not used for running time, only for blocks of time, like the Six-Day War, June 5-10. Actually, 3589 + 483 = 4072, which is 30 AD, the correct year of the Crucifixion. Anstey quoted Andrew's date for the Crucifixion, Friday, Apr. 7, 30 AD. I think it was Thursday, April 6, 30 AD. It "was the preparation of the passover" (John 19:14-16), "Not on the feast day, lest there be an uproar among the people." (Mt. 26:5; Mark 14:2). AD 30 was one 40-year generation before "All these things" came upon that generation (Mt. 23:36). The 40 years between 30 and 70 AD fulfilled the 40 year "iniquity of the house of Judah" in Eze. 4:6.

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I was just writing an email to someone explaining the fact that the 2 witnesses start their ministry at the middle of the 7 year period, i.e. the beginning of the tribulation.

Taking Oct15th 2003 as the day when the abomination is setup leads to a suprising result when counting back the time duration of the 5th and 6th trumpet. Check it out:

When do the 2 witnesses die?

Rev 11:3 And I will give [power] unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred [and] threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

Rev 11:11 And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.

(13) And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven. The second woe is past; [and], behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

Rev.9:10 5th Trumpet: And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power [was] to hurt men five months. One woe is past; [and], behold, there come two woes more hereafter (the 6th and 7th trumpet)

Rev 9:15 6th Trumpet (second woe): And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men.

Conclusion: the witnesses get killed at the end of the second woe which is the 6th trumpet.

The ministry of the witnesses is 1260 days and the tribulation lasts 1290 days.

If the abomination is set up on Wednesday 15th October at noon then the 2 witnesses probably start their ministry 3 days before that (after the Sabbath sundown on 11th Oct). This means they die on day 1256 and are resuscitated exactly 1260days after the abomination is setup. What follows is the third woe, i.e. the 7th trumpet (which mystery is sealed up). This event falls out of the 70th week (1260+1260days) and must cover the extra 30 days of the 1290.

We may conclude that the 7th trumpet lasts 30 days and completes the 1290 days.

The 5th trumpet starts on new years eve 2005 at 23:00pm!

The 6th trumpet lasts 1 hour + one day + one month + one year = 391.0417 days

The 5th trumpet lasts 5 months = 150 days.

Oct15th 2003 + 1260 = 28th March 2007

My reply

> > 2 witnesses start their ministry at the middle of the 7 year period, i.e. the beginning of the tribulation.

I think Moses and Elijah prophesy during the first 1260 days of the 7 years. Notice that after they are resurrected, 3.5 days past the 1260 days, an earthquake kills 7000 men in Jerusalem.

That is much different from the events at the end of the shortened Great Tribulation, the last half of the 7 years. At its end, the Day of God's Wrath will bring, not just an earthquake in Jerusalem, but a worldwide earthquake in which every wall will fall (Eze. 38:20). Isa. 24:1 says, "Behold, the LORD maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste, and turneth it UPSIDE DOWN, and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof."

Rev. 16:17-19 says, " It is done. And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great. And the great city was divided into three parts, and THE CITIES OF THE NATIONS FELL: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath."

> > (11:13) And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven. The second woe is past; [and], behold, the third woe cometh quickly.
> > Rev.9:10 5th Trumpet: And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power [was] to hurt men five months. One woe is past; [and], behold, there come two woes more hereafter (the 6th and 7th trumpet)

> > Rev 9:15 6th Trumpet (second woe): And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men.
> > Conclusion: the witnesses get killed at the end of the second woe which is the 6th trumpet.

There is a gap between the normal end of this age and the actual end of this age. The 70th week of Daniel fits into this gap. It is the trial that will come upon the whole world (Rev. 3:10). The Revelation of Jesus Christ is organized to show this. Between the 6th and 7th seals, there is a parenthetical section. Between the 6th and 7th trumpets, there is a parenthetical section. Between the 6th and 7th vials, there is a parenthetical section.

For instance, the 6th seal takes us to "the great day of his wrath" (6:17). We don't pick up the 7th seal until chapter 8. In between is the parenthetical section about the Pre-Wrath Rapture. It takes place on the Day of God's Wrath, but before the 7th seal is broken.

The 6th trumpet takes us up to when the third part of men are killed by fire, smoke, and brimstone. Those not killed repent not in 9:21.

The 7th trumpet starts in 11:15. In between is a parenthetic section. It includes 11:1-13, which starts at the beginning of the Tribulation again to tell us about the 2 witnesses.

The 6th vial ends in 16:12. The 7th vial is not until verse 17. In between is a parenthetic section about demons going out to gather the kings of the Earth to gather them to Armageddon.

The two witnesses are killed the first day the False Prophet comes to full power Mid-Trib.

> > The 5th trumpet starts on new years eve 2005 at 23:00pm!

None of the trumpets have sounded yet, and it looks like they will all sound quickly at the end of the shortened Tribulation.

Another way the Revelation is organized is as if by circle clocks. That is 6 circles in a ring within an outer circle. These stand for 6 seals. The 7th circle is in the center. Out of the 7th seal come the 7 trumpets. Within the 7th seal circle is another circle clock for the 7 trumpets. Out of the 7th trumpet circle in the center come the 7 vials. That's another circle clock within the 7th trumpet circle.

I have drawings on my file on the circle clock. It is easier to understand when drawn.

Since Christ will receive the 7-sealed Title Deed of the Earth after the Pre-Trib Rapture, the 1st seal will not be broken until after we are gone. Therefore, none of the seals, trumpets or vials have taken place yet.

> > The 6th trumpet lasts 1 hour + one day + one month + one year = 391.0417 days

The 5th trumpet lasts 5 months = 150 days.

I think all the trumpets happen in one day, the first day of the millennial reign of Christ. It takes longer to describe the action than it takes to perform the action.

Rev. 8:1-6 says, "And when he had opened the SEVENTH SEAL, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour." This silence is both in Heaven and on Earth. I think it is when Jesus is being seated as judge at the Judgment Seat of Christ. What is coming is judgment.

Continuing, 8:2-6 says, "And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets. And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer (a globe shaped incense burner); and there was given unto him much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne. And the smoke of the incense, which came with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God out of the angel's hand. And the angel took the censer, and filled it with fire of the altar, and cast it into the earth: and there were voices, and thunderings, and lightnings, and an earthquake. And the seven angels which had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound."

At the 5th seal, the martyrs wanted to know how long they had to wait for Christ to "JUDGE and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth" (6:10). Now, at the 7th seal, the time has come that their prayers are going to be answered. The angel filled the globe-shaped censer with fire and cast it into the Earth to show us what is going to happen next. It represents the asteroid that will impact Earth.

The binary asteroid (Zech. 5:1-4) will break apart, probably at the Roche limit, about 11,000 miles out. A shower of smaller rocks will be released. Burning as they come in, they will set wild fires as the 1st trumpet sounds. A third of the trees and all of the green grass will be burned up.

As the 2nd trumpet sounds, the mountain-sized piece will come in blazing and hit the Mediterranean Sea. A third of sea life will die right away. By the time the vials are poured out. Rev. 16:3 says, "the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea."

Here we can see that the trumpets are the immediate destruction upon impact. The vials are the complete results after some time has passed.

At the 3rd trumpet, Babylon is destroyed by the larger piece of the asteroid. It is called an "aster" (star, asteroid or meteor) in the Greek. It opens the bottomless pit, the molten center of Earth, so we can see that the 3rd and 5th trumpets happen at the same time.

The fifth trumpet doesn't sound for 5 months, but the effects of the asteroid impact last for 5 months. Since the 3rd and 5th trumpets happen practically at the same time, I think the hour, day, month and year of the 6th trumpet (9:15) means one hour of a certain day of a certain month of a certain year. My guess for this date is Sept. 13, 2007, Tishri 1, 5768, the Feast of Trumpets.

It has to be a Jewish Leap Year, because there are 7 months between the Day of Destruction and the Second Advent (Eze. 39:12,13). Agape

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