I can't see as much reason for the Feast of Trumpets as for Pentecost (Sivan 6 and 7). The first trumpet of the Bible was sounded by God at Sinai on Pentecost. That's hard to get around. The coming of the Holy Spirit on Pentecost in 30 AD could also pre-figure the coming of Christ at the first Rapture. Pentecost fits the Song of Solomon 2:10-14.
Also, the spies went into the promised land at the time of the firstripe grapes, Sivan 30. They returned with a large bunch of grapes on Av 10 (inclusive reckoning because it is a 40-day block of time) at the end of forty days in the land.
Av 10 is when Solomon's temple was burned. Jer 52:12,13 says, "in the fifth month (Av), in the tenth day of the month, which was the nineteenth year of Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon, came Nebuzaradan, captain of the guard, which served the king of Babylon, into Jerusalem, And burned the house of the LORD". Later, in 70 AD, the fire was set on the temple grounds on Av 9, but burned in the temple proper on Av 10.
Since the Rapture is as the days of Noah (Mt. 24:37), Cheshvan 17 (Nov. 12 in 2003) (Gen. 7:11) might be when the Lord would close the door after the Bride entered. People and animals went into the Ark two by two.
Another possibility is Kislev 24, the Eve of Hanukkah, the Feast of Dedication of the temple. We are the temple of the Holy Spirit, and Haggai 2:18,19 says, "Consider (suwm, REHEARSE, and lebab, UNDERSTANDING) now from this day and UPWARD (mahal, above, overhead, high up), from the four and twentieth day of the ninth month (Kislev 24, i.e., Dec. 19 in 2003), even from the day that the foundation of the LORD'S temple was laid, consider (suwm, REHEARSE, and lebab, UNDERSTANDING) it. Is the seed (Jesus, Gen. 3:15) yet in the barn? yea, as yet the vine (Jesus, and we are the branches), and the fig tree (Israel), and the pomegranate (a tree of upright growth), and the olive tree (producer of oil), hath not brought forth (nasa, lifted up): from this day will I bless you."
In John 15:5, Jesus said, "I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing."
John 10:22,27,28 says, "it was at Jerusalem the feast of the dedication, and it was winter....(Jesus said) My sheep hear my VOICE (as his trumpet voice in Rev. 4:1 says, 'Come up hither'?), and I know them, and THEY FOLLOW ME: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand."
Hanukkah, which means dedication, is called "the feast of lights" by Josephus (Ant. XII. 7. 7). That reminds me that we are to keep our lamps burning brightly until the Lord comes.
Hanukkah goes back almost 2,400 years, and marks a miracle in Jewish history. It is a celebration of the victory of the Maccabees and the rededication of the Temple.
When the temple was regained, it was desolate and overgrown with vegetation. The altar had been desecrated, the gates burned. The priests removed the idols and cleansed the temple. Since the altar had been desecrated, they stored those stones and built another. They were to dedicate the altar the next day.
Only one jar of oil sanctified and sealed by the High Priest could be found. It was enough for one evening. The lamp was lit and miraculously burned for eight days, when some more suitable oil was found.
Eight means new order. If the Pre-Trib Rapture were to take place on Hanukkah Eve, we would sure start a new life in a new place on Kislev 25. As wise virgins, we must keep enough oil of the Holy Spirit in our vessels (bodies) to keep our lamps burning brightly until the Bridegroom comes. Agape
It can't be Michael the Archangel, either, for "that name is known among MEN."
Jesus is better than the angels. ALL the angels of God, including Michael the archangel, are commanded to worship Jesus. They are not to worship him as Michael the Archangel, they are to worship him as God. Heb. 1:8 says of Jesus, "THY THRONE, O GOD."
Michael is not God. Instead, he is "the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people" (Dan. 12:1).
II Cor. 5:19 explains that "GOD WAS IN CHRIST, reconciling the world unto HIMSELF." Nowhere does it say this about Michael the archangel.
Col 2:9 says of Jesus: "in him dwelleth ALL THE FULLNESS OF THE GODHEAD BODILY." Nowhere is this said of Michael the archangel.
John 3:34 says, "he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him."
In John 10:30, Jesus said, "I and my Father are one."
Michael the archangel is not the creator. Jesus, the Son of God, is the creator. John 1:3 says, "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made."
Heb. 1:1-8 says, "God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by (en, in) his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also HE MADE THE WORLDS; Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and UPHOLDING ALL THINGS BY THE WORD OF HIS POWER, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high: BEING MADE SO MUCH BETTER THAN THE ANGELS, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. For unto which of the angels (not one) said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And LET ALL THE ANGELS OF GOD WORSHIP HIM. And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire. But unto the Son he saith, THY THRONE, O GOD, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom."
> > As written in I Thessalonians 4:16, the Lord shouts with the voice of the Archangel because He is the Archangel.
Michael the archangel is not the Lord. They are two separate individuals as can be seen in Jude 9. It says, "Yet (1) MICHAEL THE ARCHANGEL, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation but said, (2) THE LORD rebuke thee." Michael was not telling himself to rebuke the devil. He was addressing someone else, "The Lord." If Michael did not dare bring a railing accusation against the devil, he did not have all power. He is not God, and he can't save us.
Acts. 4:10-12 says, "by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole. This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become THE HEAD OF THE CORNER. Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved."
Jesus is "THE HEAD OF THE CORNER." I think this refers to the top back edge, including both side corners, of the Tabernacle.
There were 10 widths of fabric with cherubim (symbols of planets orbiting the Sun in concentric circles, Eze. 1 and 10) embroidered on them. If a priest standing inside the Tabernacle looked up, he would see the cherubim on the widths of fabric overhead that represented planets. The width that folded over the back edge of the Tabernacle represented Earth.
I believe the widths of the Tabernacle curtains, from back to front represented the original planets, Mercury, Venus, EARTH, Mars, Satan's planet Rahab (now our Asteroid Belt), Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune and Pluto. Two and a half widths hung down the back. The width representing Earth was half on the top with the rest hanging down the back. It covered the entire back corner. All the widths hung down some on the sides, so the curtain representing Earth completely covered both side corners too.
Jesus "is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become THE HEAD OF THE CORNER," i.e., King of the Earth.
Acts 4:11 says, "This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become THE HEAD OF THE CORNER." Thus the type of Christ being the head of the corner of the Tabernacle became the type of Christ being the cornerstone in the Temple.
Psa 118:22 says, "The stone which the builders refused is become the head stone of the corner.
Isa 28:16 says, "Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation: he that believeth shall not make haste."
1Pe 2:6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him (Jesus) shall not be confounded."
The "chief corner stone" is Jesus, God in the flesh (John 1:14). Under him is a separate being, Michael the archangel. Agape
Worrying that US President Bush’s "road map" agenda for the end to the Israel-Palestine conflict will fall through, Martin Indyk, the former US ambassador to Israel, and other members of the Saban Center's Israeli-Palestinian Workshop have proposed an alternative solution. They suggest a three-year international governing force in Palestine, headed by the UN, IMF, WTO, and various nations, which would hold the territory in "trusteeship" for the Palestinian people until Palestinian terrorism can be effectively quelled and Israel feels safe enough to stop its incursions into the territory. Indyk’s plan calls for transparent, democratic governance coupled with both strong liberal economic growth and increased security capacity. If it should work, the trusteeship would stop suicide bombers without allowing Israel to control the Palestinian territories. –YaleGlobal
ROAD MAP TO NOWHERE
The second Palestinian intifada will soon enter its fourth year. Both Israelis and Palestinians have become exhausted by the worst violence in the history of their bloody conflict, and yet it continues. Palestinian terror attacks and Israeli military responses are dragging both communities deeper and deeper into the abyss.
Still, as President George W. Bush has averred, the removal of Saddam Hussein's regime in Iraq would create an opportunity for broader Middle East peacemaking. Iran and Syria, fearing that they might be the next targets, would feel pressure to reduce their support for Hamas, Palestine Islamic Jihad (PIJ), and Hezbollah -- the terrorist organizations that have done so much to fuel the current conflict. With a new regime in Iraq emerging under American tutelage, the balance of power in the Arab world might shift decisively in favor of the more moderate states of Egypt, Jordan, and Saudi Arabia, which are committed to Arab-Israeli peace....
There is another and possibly more promising way to parlay the bounce from a successful Iraq war into an effective effort to forge an Israeli-Palestinian peace...today's circumstances would require the United States to lead an international push to create a TRUSTEESHIP FOR PALESTINE. This would be a major undertaking, but unlike the road map process, it could actually lead to the creation of a responsible and accountable Palestinian political partner and an effective Palestinian security capability, thereby triggering the appropriate Israeli response....
The Bush administration is prepared to promote such a concept in Iraq, to ensure that the removal of Saddam Hussein is followed by a political and security framework that will enable the Iraqi people to establish new, more representative institutions of governance. If there were sufficient political will in the United States, it could be adapted effectively to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict as well.
DESIGN FOR LIVING
A well-designed TRUSTEESHIP FOR PALESTINE would have an explicit mandate to build an independent, democratic Palestinian state. It would take formal control of Palestinian territories from Yasser Arafat and the Palestinian Authority and hold them in trust for the Palestinian people. The trustees would then oversee the establishment by Palestinians of democratic political institutions, including the drafting of a new constitution, the creation of an independent judiciary, and the holding of free elections. At the same time, the trustees, with the assistance of the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund, would supervise the establishment of transparent and accountable economic institutions. This process would be accompanied by international funding for an effort akin to the Marshall Plan to rebuild the Palestinian economy.
From "Catechism of the Catholic Church", 1994, Chapter Two, I Believe in Jesus Christ, The Only Son of God, page 107, section 426, "At the heart of catechesis we find, in essence, a Person, the Person of Jesus of Nazareth, the only Son from the Father who suffered and died for us and who now, after rising, is living with us forever." Page 107, Section 427, "In catechesis, 'Christ, the Incarnate Word and Son of God, is taught - everything else is taught with reference to him.'" Page 109, section 432, "The name 'Jesus' signifies that the very name of God is present in the person of his Son, made man for the universal and definitive redemption from sins. It is the divine name that alone brings salvation, and henceforth all can invoke his name, for Jesus united himself to all men through his Incarnation, so that 'there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.'"
You cannot refute the above nor remove it from Catholicism because it is the heart of Catholicism. The book is 803 pages and the core is belief in Jesus Christ for salvation. When you print a negative individual Catholic experience, it is just that, individual, and there are as many individual experiences as there are individuals.
I ask for equal opportunity church bashing. I want you to examine EVERY "Christian" denomination and their official dogma and tell us which church members are doomed to hell based on their official dogma. I'm not kidding about this request. It is absolutely unfair for you to center on the Catholic church and leave the rest alone.
For your convenience, I did a search for churches, and submit this list for you to research. Find their church dogma and clue us in to which churches are leading their congregations to hell. If you don't do this, then I think we can correctly assume you have a singular bias against the Catholic church and excuse the rest of the churches whose dogma may be suspect based on your belief of what their dogma should and should not be.
African Methodist Episcopal, Chinese Alliance, Christian and Missionary Alliance, Anglican, Assemblies of God, American Baptist, Baptist Bible Fellowship, Chinese Baptist, Fellowship of Evangelical Baptist Churches in Canada, Free Will Baptist, General Conference, Independent Baptist, National Baptist, North American Baptist, Reformed Baptist Church, Southern Baptist, Fellowship of Evangelical Bible Churches, Bible Churches, Christian Brethren, Calvary Chapel, Church in Wales, Church of Christ, Church of England, Church of God, Church of God in Christ, Church of Scotland, Church of South India, Church of Sweden, Church of the Nazarene, Congregational Christian, Congregationalist, Disciples of Christ, Eastern Orthodox, Episcopal, Charismatic Episcopal, Evangelican Charismatic Free, Evangelical Covenant Church, Evangelical Episcopal Church International, Evangelical Free Church of America, Evangelical Friends, Foursquare International, Freie Evangelische Gemeinde, Full Gospel Indonesian Fellowship, Full Gospel, Interdenominational, Jesus Fellowship Church, Light of the World, Church of the Lutheran Confession, Evangelical Lutheran Church in America, Evangelical Lutheran Church in Canada, Lutheran Church Missouri Synod, Lutheran Church Wisconsin Synod, Lutheran Church Canada, Mennonite, Mennonite Brethren, Free Methodist, United Methodist, Non-Denominational Independent, United Pentecostal, Evangelical Presbyterian, Korean Presbyterian Church, Korean American Presbyterian Church, Orthodox Presbyterian, Presbyterian Church in America, Presbyterian Church in Canada, Presbyterian Church in USA, Reformed Presbyterian of North America, Christian Reformed Church, Reformed Church in America, United Reformed Church in the United Kingdom, Salvation Army, Seventh-Day Adventist, United Church of Canada, United Church of Christ, Vineyard Christian Fellowship, Wesleyan, Worldwide Church of God. The Mormon Church wasn't list, so put that one in.
Then there is Orthodox Catholic and Roman Catholic, maybe you know the difference and maybe you don't, but you can skip those because you have already (wrongly, as I quoted the truth above), condemned them.
We Catholics will hold a tea in heaven and invite Jesus and you. It will have to be outdoors for there will be so many of us no number of buildings would hold us and we'll have to use tea bags over and over for there will not be enough for all. Scratch the tea bag thing, I forgot Jesus will be there. He can make more tea or he may prefer wine since there won't be any Baptists at our gathering. Love forever
I can't help it if the Roman Catholic Church has some teachings that are not Biblical. Likewise, I can't help it if some Protestant churches have some teachings that are not Biblical. We can be wrong about other things as long as we are right about Christ. No believer will end up in Hell.
I am not called to try to straighten out the teachings of any congregation, Catholic, Baptist, or anything else. I would be spinning my wheels if I tried. It would keep me from doing what I'm supposed to be doing.
I asked the Lord to help me understand the Bible, all the deep things, everything he wanted man to know. Some time after that, I saw light on Jer. 50:2. It said, "Declare ye among the nations, and publish, and set up a standard; publish, and conceal not: SAY, Babylon is taken, Bel is confounded, Merodach is broken in pieces; her idols are confounded, her images are broken in pieces." I was shocked for I had been writing all day about the three Babylons, Nimrod's Tower of Babel, Nebuchadnezzar's Babylon II, and the False Prophet's Babylon III.
So what do I say about Babylon? I believe that it is going to be rebuilt then totally destroyed. The world church, the largest wheat measure, will be moved to the land of Shinar (Babylon, Gen. 11:2), where the Tower of Babel's foundation is still located. The world church will be "set there upon her own base" (Zech. 5:11).
Jer. 51:33-45 sketches the story of Babylon for us. It says, "thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; The daughter of Babylon is like a threshingfloor (Rev. 14:19,20), it is time to thresh her: yet a little while, and the time of her harvest shall come (Rev. 18). Nebuchadrezzar the king of Babylon hath devoured me, he hath crushed me, he hath made me an empty vessel, he hath swallowed me up like a dragon, he hath filled his belly with my delicates, he hath cast me out. The violence done to me and to my flesh be upon Babylon, shall the inhabitant of Zion say; and my blood upon the inhabitants of Chaldea, shall Jerusalem say. Therefore thus saith the LORD; Behold, I will plead thy cause, and take vengeance for thee; and I will dry up her sea, and make her springs dry. And Babylon shall become heaps, a dwellingplace for dragons, an astonishment, and an hissing, without an inhabitant. They shall roar together like lions: they shall yell as lions' whelps. In their heat I will make their feasts, and I will make them drunken, that they may rejoice, and sleep a perpetual sleep, and not wake, saith the LORD. I will bring them down like lambs to the slaughter, like rams with he goats. How is Sheshach (Babylon, from the name of a Babylonian goddess) taken! and how is the praise of the whole earth surprised! how is Babylon become an astonishment among the nations! The sea is come up upon Babylon: she is covered with the multitude of the waves thereof. Her cities are a desolation, a dry land, and a wilderness, a land wherein no man dwelleth, neither doth any son of man pass thereby. And I will punish Bel (i.e., the False Prophet) in Babylon, and I will bring forth out of his mouth that which he hath swallowed up (Satan): and the nations shall not flow together any more unto him: yea, the wall of Babylon shall fall. My people, go ye out of the midst of her, and deliver ye every man his soul from the fierce anger of the LORD."
This is echoed in Rev. 18:4: "I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues."
Rev. 18:21 tells us how Babylon will be destroyed. A "mighty angel took up a stone (i.e., an asteroid, Rev. 8:10) like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all."
Rev. 13 shows us that there will be two world leaders of the Tribulation. Rev. 17 shows us the same thing, and adds an eighth, Satan himself, which the False Prophet will swallow (Rev. 13:11).
Both these men will meet their doom when the curse (binary asteroid) that orbits over the face of the whole Earth (Zech. 5:3) impacts this globe. In verse 4, we find out that one man is "THE THIEF." The other man is "HIM THAT SWEARETH FALSELY BY MY (the Lord's) NAME: and it (the asteroid) shall remain in the midst of his house, and shall consume it with the timber thereof and the stones thereof."
I take it that the Beast and False Prophet of Rev. 20:10 and chapter 13 are the two men of Zech. 5:4. What do you think?
Which one is "THE THIEF," and who is "HIM THAT SWEARETH FALSELY BY MY NAME"?
Does the Satan-possessed False Prophet swear anything by the Lord's name? I don't think so.
Who does swear by the Lord's name?
We have another clue in Isa. 9:15. It says, "THE ANCIENT AND HONOURABLE, he is the head (6th head of the great red dragon); and the prophet that teacheth lies, he is the tail." The False Prophet is both the 7th head of the great red dragon (Satan) and the tail of the great red dragon, because he swallows up the tail, Satan.
Who is THE ANCIENT AND HONOURABLE THAT SWEARS FALSELY BY THE LORD'S NAME?
We see from Rev. 17:10 that the 6th king is in power when the Rapture takes place. Verse 10 says, "there are seven kings: five are fallen, and ONE IS (at the time of the Rapture), and the other (the False Prophet) is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space" (the Great Tribulation). Verse 14 shows that the Rapture has just taken place. It says, "the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and THEY THAT ARE WITH HIM ARE CALLED, AND CHOSEN, AND FAITHFUL."
Who do you think the 6th head will be?
According to Rev. 13, he is "as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed." This man is in power as the Tribulation begins. His deadly wound WAS HEALED in the past. It sounds like a failed assassination attempt doesn't it?
Who do you think the Beast will be?
In 13:4, "they worshipped the beast." In v. 6, he "opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven" (i.e., those that have just been raptured, when he was left behind). In verses 7 and 8, "power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are NOT written in the book of life of the Lamb" (i.e., all the pagans).
Here is my list of the kingdoms of the 7 kings. Do you agree?
(1) Babel I
(2) Babylon II
(5) Imperial Rome
(6) Ecclesiastical Rome
(7) Babylon III
If you agree with (6), who is the king of Ecclesiastic Rome that is in power at the time of the Pre-Trib Rapture? In Rev. 13:6, right after the Rapture, this 6th king "opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven."
Whoever this 6th king is, he will be left behind at the Pre-Trib Rapture. I think he is also "him that sweareth falsely by my (the Lord's) name" in Zech. 5:4. I think that refers to his claim to infallibility in matters of church doctrine.
In Rev. 17:3, John was carried away to the desert (i.e., Babylon). He "saw a woman (religious group) sit upon a scarlet coloured beast (the great red dragon), full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns." Verse 5 says, "And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH."
And who is this woman? Rev. 17:18 says, "And the woman which thou sawest is that great CITY, which reigneth over the kings of the earth."
What is the name of this CITY?
In Rev. 17:4, "the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication" (joining).
Rev. 18:16 says, "Alas, alas that great CITY, that was clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls!" The city of Rev. 17:4,18 is the same as the city of Rev. 18:16, except that she has been moved to Babylon.
Rev. 18:10 says, "Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas that GREAT CITY BABYLON, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.
Rev. 18:18 says, "And cried when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, What CITY is like unto this great CITY!
What city do you think is like Babylon?
In Zech. 5:4, who is "THE THIEF," and who is "HIM THAT SWEARETH FALSELY BY MY NAME"?
In these latter days, we are to understand something perfectly. Jer. 23:19-20 says, "Behold, a whirlwind of the LORD is gone forth in fury, even a grievous whirlwind: it shall fall grievously upon the head of the wicked (the False Prophet, II Thess. 2:8,9). The anger of the LORD shall not return, until he have executed, and till he have performed the thoughts of his heart: in the latter days ye shall consider (biyn, understand) it perfectly."
What are we to understand perfectly? Why couldn't it be understood perfectly in earlier days? Love
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