Pro and Con 1052

Posted 8-30-03

Incoming email, Re: good stuff!!!!!

Question. What is the significance of Mars at this time? Does Mars represent Satan or Michael?
Is it a sign of the Rapture? Thanks!

My reply

Thanks for your kind words.

I don't know if Mars being closer to Earth now than in the last 50,000 years is a sign of the Rapture or not, but it might be. It can be seen around the world and in both hemispheres. Time will tell.

To me, the planet Rahab, that split apart and formed our Asteroid Belt, belonged to Satan. Isa. 51:9 says, "Awake, awake, put on strength, O arm of the LORD; awake, as in the ancient days, in the generations of old. Art thou not it that hath cut (lit., split) Rahab, and wounded the dragon (Satan)?"

I think Saturn belongs to Christ. Eze. 1:25-28 says, "there was a voice from the firmament (expanse of space) that was over their heads (i.e., above the 4 terrestrial planets that orbit in concentric rings), when they stood, and had let down their wings. And above the firmament that was over their heads (i.e., farther out in space) was the likeness of a throne (Christ's), as the appearance of a SAPPHIRE stone: and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man (Jesus Christ) above upon it. And I saw as the colour of amber (Saturn is amber), as the appearance of fire round about within it, from the appearance of his loins (i.e., from the equator) even upward, and from the appearance of his loins (i.e., from the equator) even downward, I saw as it were the appearance of fire, and it had brightness round about (i.e., Saturn's rings). As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain (pilots have seen circular rainbows), so was the appearance of the brightness (i.e., the rings) round about. This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the LORD."

Sapphire means dear to the planet Saturn, from the Sanskrit Sani and priya dear. I think Mt. Sinai represented Saturn. Ex. 24:10 says, "they saw the God of Israel (YHVH of hosts, the Redeemer, the Pre-incarnate Christ, the first and the last, Isa. 44:6): and there was under his feet as it were (symbolic language) a paved work of a SAPPHIRE stone, and as it were the body of heaven (i.e., the heavenly body) in his clearness."

Psa. 89:35-37 says, "Once have I sworn by my holiness that I will not lie unto David. His seed (Jesus) shall endure for ever, and his (Jesus') throne AS THE SUN before me. It shall be established for ever AS THE MOON, and as a faithful witness in heaven. Selah" (meaning pause and think of that). Both the Sun and Moon are spheres in our Solar System.

In Psa. 78:69, we find that the Lord "built his sanctuary (tabernacle, dwelling place) like high palaces (planets) LIKE THE EARTH" (a planet in this Solar System). I think the secret of his tabernacle is that the double-cube Holy Place represented two spheres that would fit inside a cube, Mars and Jupiter, and that the Holy-of-Holies cube represented Heaven, Saturn.

Psa. 27:5 says, "For in the time of trouble (i.e., first day of the millennial kingdom of Christ) he shall hide me in his pavilion: in THE SECRET OF HIS TABERNACLE shall he hide me; he shall set me up upon a rock" (the planet Heaven). I think this is the second Rapture, the Pre-Wrath Rapture, when the 144,000 Israelites and the great multitude that no man can count are caught up to Heaven (Rev. 7:9,14; Zeph. 2:1-5).

Job 38:37,39 (LXX) says, "(Who) is he that numbers the clouds in wisdom, and has BOWED THE HEAVEN (i.e., put the rings around it) the earth" For it (heaven) is spread out AS DUSTY EARTH, and I have cemented it as one hewn stone to another."

Zech. 3:9,10 (LXX) says, "I bring forth my servant THE BRANCH (Jesus). For as for the stone which I have set before the face of Jesus, on the one stone (i.e., planet) are seven eyes" (orbs, rings). Saturn has seven rings. That's appropriate, seven is God's number of completion and perfection.

Josephus, a Pharisee priest, shows us that the candlestick in the temple represented the planets, including the Sun (Ant. III. VI. 7). Since the western light was to be kept burning, I figure that it represented the Sun. Thus the lineup west to east would be (1) Sun, (2) Mercury, (3) Venus, (4) Earth, (5) Mars, (6) Jupiter and (7) Saturn. Mercury, Venus, Earth and Mars would be the four terrestrial planets (cherubim) in Eze. 1 and 10. Above their heads, i.e., farther out in space, is the place of Christ's throne. It is well marked. It wears a halo.

Tonight, 8-27-03, the Pre-Trib Rapture of the Bride of Christ might be marked by Saturn being in Gemini and Mars in Aquarius, the living-water giver, i.e., Christ, in the Gospel in the Stars.

I think Gemini represents the Bride and Bridegroom sitting together on the ecliptic in Heaven. Eph. 2:6 says that he "hath raised us up together, and made us SIT TOGETHER IN HEAVENLY PLACES in Christ Jesus." Saturn also travels the ecliptic.

Look at tonight's sky diagram. Massed around Regulus, the king star in Leo (representing the Lion of the tribe of Judah, Christ), are the Sun, Moon, Venus and Jupiter. Saturn is in Gemini. Mars is in Aquarius. I hope it heralds the Rapture.

Below is a sky diagram for April 6, 2008. Saturn, with it's symbolic h for heaven and little cross to show how to get there, is in conjunction with Regulus, the king star, in Leo. That would be a good time for the Second Advent. April 6, 2008, is Nisan 1, 5768, the first day of the Jewish Regnal and Sacred Year in a Jewish Leap Year. A Leap Year is the only time that there would be 7 months between Tishri 1 and the following Nisan 1 (Eze. 39:12,13).

Below is the sky on April 5, 2011 (Nisan 1, 5771, the next Jewish Leap Year). It might show that the best time for the Second Advent has passed. Saturn is past Leo, and it takes 29.5 years before it completes one circuit of the Sun.

I'm hoping for our blessed hope, the Pre-Trib Rapture of Rev. 4:1 soon. Below is the sky for 5-26-2004, Pentecost. Slowest moving of all the planets, Saturn will still be in Gemini. Left to right are Jupiter, Moon, Saturn, Venus, Sun and Mercury.


Incoming email with my comments interspersed and marked ***

FWD: PRE-TRIB RAPTURE : wrath of God and or man...

The correspondence below gives food for thought as to what is happening throughout the world and what will happen to the Body of Christ (followers of the Lord Jesus Christ and who are known to Him) either beforehand or when the False Prophet takes the helm of religious affairs and direction and recommends a person coming onto the scene, to lead the way in world goverment and affairs. No doubt has failed and history keeps repeating itself over and over again.

When folk keep saying revival is here in the midst of the church system. When people keep saying that they are taking their towns/cities/ countries for Jesus. When pagan and occult practices are being adopted and adapted to be as christian and used within christianity to attract and put bums on seats. When so-called christian leadership are altering the Word of God, by adding and subtracting to the scriptures to suit modern day society and other religions by appeasement. When biblical christianity is considered as obsolete because of not moving with the times. And when christians are becoming obsessed in living in prosperity and having more money than their fellow christians...

I would suggest that the days that we are living do not indicate biblical revival but a falling away from the Truth and the Word of God. It is as though that man is trying to create and make his own destiny, living a lie of deception and walking blind with the blind against the reality of the effects of world events and the consequences following. Of course, there are those who dismiss the Word of God when it comes down to the fulfilment of prophecy and substitute the scriptures with others words/statements to titillate itching ears who want something else.

Are we, as in the Days of Noah, when people laugh at and ridicule the real members of the Body of Christ who preach the Word of God without substitutions?

Are we living, as in the Days of Noah, when now anything goes without thought and direction?

Are we living, as in the Days of Noah, when religious and political leaders promote ecumenicalism as though their roads they are building, lead to Almighty God?

Are we living, as in the Days of Noah, when christian leaders prefer to build their own empires rather than build bridges amongst christian brethren and their churches?

Are we living, as in the Days of Noah, when man has decided that he is in control and does not need God?

I would suggest that we are living, as in the DAYS OF NOAH and, what will happen next, will be determined by Almighty God through the power of His Holy Spirit.

I may be considered as old fashion and not living what the world wants me to do...But... the answer from Almighty God will always be from the Word of God...what will be will be and what will happen next, will catch many people unaware and, if folk continue to to their own thing in the sight of God, there WILL be consequences following. For those who are following Him and walking in the Way, do not fear the perilous times ahead, for they are prepared for what is written on God's agenda and calender revealed in the Word of God by His Spirit. It will be those who fail to listen who instead are too busy doing other things, who will face the consequences.

Whether or not you agree, those who consider themselves to be followers of the Lord Jesus MUST be ready at ALL times for His CALL to take them HOME.

It will be no joke when the Lord comes and you have been left behind for reasons of another.

Now it is time to seek Him whilst you are able.
just sharing a few thoughts....

answers to objections: distinguishing the wrath of God from the wrath of man
an answer to a letter - Sunday August 3, 2003

Dear ________ YOU SAID:
Revelation 3:10
Please keep in mind that your scriptural reference of Rev 3:10 was made by the same person and in the same context by the ONE who sayed the prayer in John 17 ( note verses 15 - 20) ie Jesus Christ himself. How do you square off your belief in pre-trib rapture with what was being requested in the prayer of John 17? Again read the verses side by side. (same wording, context ?? ) The conclusion I came to was that its is possible to be kept from evil but not necessarily via a pre-trib rapture. Any other conclusion would leave those two references I have cited as contradicting each other.

***The Bible doesn't contradict itself. It is our understanding that is faulty at times. Luke 21:36 is clear.

***Luke 21:29-36 says, "he (Jesus) spake to them (the disciples, Mt. 24:3) a parable; Behold the fig tree (Israel), and all the trees (other nations); When they now shoot forth (in the Six-Day War of 1967), ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand (the war started June 5; summer began June 21). So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand (i.e., the Rapture is nigh). Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled....And take heed to yourselves (believers), lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day (day of the Pre-Trib Rapture) come upon YOU(believers) unawares. For as a snare (trap) shall it (i.e., the Tribulation) come on all THEM (unbelievers) that dwell on the face of the WHOLE EARTH. Watch ye (believers) therefore, and PRAY ALWAYS, THAT YE (believers) MAY BE ACCOUNTED WORTHY TO ESCAPE (i,e., to be caught up in the Pre-Trib Rapture) ALL these things (coming in the Tribulation) that SHALL (i.e., AFTER THE ESCAPE) come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man" (in Heaven).

***Rev. 3:4 tells us of these "Which have not defiled their garments; and THEY SHALL WALK WITH ME IN WHITE: FOR THEY ARE WORTHY."

***Rev. 3:8-10 says, "I have set before thee an OPEN DOOR (i.e., door of Heaven, 4:1), and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name....Because thou hast kept the word of my patience (hupomone, patient endurance), I also will keep thee from (ek, out of, as in Rev. 5:9) the hour of temptation (trial, testing, i.e., the Tribulation), which shall come upon ALL THE WORLD, to try them that dwell upon the earth. Behold, I come quickly (at the Rapture, Rev. 22:12,20): hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy CROWN."

***In John 17, Jesus was talking to the apostles. In v. 12, he said, "While I was with them in the world." In v. 15, he said, "I pray not that thou shouldest take them (the apostles) out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil."

Sorry it took a long time to write back. I have not yet finished reading through the references you gave me supporting a pre-trib rapture view. By that, I mean actually reading your arguments and looking closely at the scriptural references to see if your conclusions can be drawn or if other conclusions can be drawn. I will continue to do so and if your view stands then I'll hold on to it, otherwise I'll hold on to the post-trib view. (Yes it's painful, but it was not for nothing that Jesus said that those who love their lives more than Him are not worthy of the Kingdom. He must have known that in the long run it would come to such a nasty choice.)
REPLY: (part of the incoming 3-mail)
Thank you FOR RESPONDING - but please remind me of what I sent to you. Did it have a title? Please, I get a lot of mail and I cannot remember all......

I know of what you speak in John 17, "keep them from the evil". There is a difference between the "general evil" of the world and mankind, and a hideous supernatural evil that has been RESTRAINED until now.

2 Thess.2:6 (ASV) For the mystery of lawlessness doth already work: only there is one that restraineth now, until he be taken out of the way.

I have heard this argument before (basically), that since God can preserve Daniel in the lion's den, He can preserve us right through TGT (The Great Tribulation). OF COURSE THAT IS TRUE. And....if that turns out to be how God handles it - FINE WITH ME. But there's a problem with concluding that - the Bible plainly says that NO ONE - no saint - escapes the power of The Antichrist.

Rev 13:16-17 (KJV) And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: 17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

Rev 13:7 (KJV) And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

***These are Tribulation saints, not the Church saints that have already been raptured when Jesus said, "Come up hither" in Rev. 4:1.

There is not so much as a hint in the Bible about any "Maccabeean Saint-heroes" during TGT.

Rev 12:11 (KJV) And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

I expect that every single after-Rapture convert and every single left-behind Saint (if such is the case) will die during the early stages of TGT. Not a single Saint lives on into the latter parts of TGT, with the 100 pound hail and all that.

***When the Beast (of Rev. 13:2-10) takes command at the beginning of the Tribulation, he will blaspheme God's "name, and his tabernacle, and THEM THAT DWELL IN HEAVEN." These dwelling in Heaven Mid-Trib were caught up to Heaven in the Pre-Trib Rapture.

***I think that just before the Wrath of God hits Earth at noon, the Tribulation saints will be caught up to Heaven in the Pre-Wrath Rapture. Zeph. 2:1-5 says, "Before the decree bring forth, before the day pass as the chaff, before the fierce anger of the LORD come upon you, before the day of the LORD'S anger come upon you. Seek ye the LORD, all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought his judgment; seek righteousness, seek meekness: it may be YE SHALL BE HID (i.e. caught up to Heaven in the Pre-Wrath Rapture) IN THE DAY OF THE LORD'S ANGER. For Gaza shall be forsaken, and Ashkelon a desolation: they shall drive out Ashdod at the NOON DAY, and Ekron shall be rooted up. Woe unto the inhabitants of the sea coast".

***Among these caught up in the Pre-Wrath Rapture are the 144,000 and a great multitude which no man can number. Rev. 7:9,14 says, "lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands...And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, THESE ARE THEY WHICH CAME OUT OF GREAT TRIBULATION, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb."

***Those raptured before the Tribulation did not have to wash their robes, they were already wearing wedding garments, white robes of righteousness. The Tribulation saints that are caught up in the Pre-Wrath Rapture have to wash their robes in the blood of the Lamb to make them white.

By the time we get to the 2 witnesses, they are the only 2 witnesses that God has left on the earth.

***They prophesy at the beginning of the Tribulation. There are many believers here at that time. When the Pre-Trib Rapture takes place, many will see it, fear, and trust in the Lord. Psa. 40:1-3 says, "I waited patiently for the LORD; and he inclined (bent down) unto me, and heard my cry. He BROUGHT ME UP also out of an horrible pit (as Jeremiah was pulled up out of the miry pit), out of the miry clay (Earth), and set my feet upon a rock (the planet Heaven), and established my goings (the catching up). And he hath put a new song (only sung by two groups of saints in Heaven, Rev. 5:9;14,3) in my mouth, even praise unto our God: MANY SHALL SEE IT (THE RAPTURE), AND FEAR, AND SHALL TRUST IN THE LORD."

When the 2 witnesses are killed and resurrected, there will not be one Saint left in the whole earth, and no more converts either.

***They will be killed by the False Prophet when he begins to rule Mid-Trib. There will be saints left to flee to Petra.

The earth will be entirely inhabited by Godless people. There will be NO conversions after the 2 witnesses are gone. THEN mayhem breaks loose upon the world. So I suppose that I am affirming something from the pre-WRATH position after a fashion. The after-rapture converts and the left-behind Saints will not have to be here for the 100 pound hail and etc. - but that is because they're all deceased (and resurrected to enter The Millennium).

I feel like I am actually being taken seriously by you and given a real chance to make the case! THANK YOU.

I realize that the main thing is not for me to make "my case" FOR Pre-Trib, but to answer to your case for Post-Trib. I have 16 articles just on objections, so I would like to think I have done that.

Let me please establish something real important (for me) about these matters: excepting the single issue of the actual physical personal return of Jesus Christ, (I believe) that God has PURPOSEFULLY communicated ALL other eschatological matters chiefly through innuendo and inference. There is no "lock down" scripture text which stands right up and screams Pre-Trib (though Luke 21:36 is pretty close).

***To me, Luke 21:36 is right on the mark. It has to be Pre-Trib if those that escape miss all the things of the coming Tribulation.

I say that PRE-trib simply has the strongest evidence, and that it is also established by what is called "the analogy of faith": that is, the general tenor of revelation and precedent support the pre-trib idea.


1 John 5:18 (KJV) We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

"That wicked one" is obviously The Devil, and subsequently, that wicked one can be spoken of The Devil's attempt at replicating the incarnation - The Antichrist. This verse more explicitly harmonizes with the partial-pre-trib view, but in any case, the inference here is that The Antichrist should not be able to "touch" anyone who "keeps himself" (see Luke 21:36, same thought).

Harmonizing 1 John 5:18 with Revelation 13:7,11,16-17 requires that The Saints not be within reach of the A/C. But if a Saint is "on the earth".... those verses from Revelation are indicative.

EXAMPLE (from history)?

History has it...... that all the Christians were warned supernaturally before Titus set siege to Jerusalem, and they all left by AD68. The closest thing that history has so far presented us to parallel TGT is the fall of Jerusalem (which most Preterists and post-mils make into TGT). The Christians were out of there.....

IT ALL DEPENDS ON WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR.... if you WISH to find a pre-trib Rapture, you can see what look like intentional inferences to it in many places! like...

Mal 3:16-18 (KJV) Then they that feared the LORD spake often one to another: and the LORD hearkened, and heard it, and a book of remembrance was written before him for them that feared the LORD, and that thought upon his name. 17 And they shall be mine, saith the LORD of hosts, in that day when I make up my jewels; and I will spare them, as a man spareth his own son that serveth him. 18 Then shall ye return, and discern between the righteous and the wicked, between him that serveth God and him that serveth him not.

Mal 4:1-3 (KJV) For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch. 2 But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall. 3 And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts.

***Isa. 57:1-3 says, "The righteous perisheth (abad, ESCAPES), and no man layeth it to heart: and merciful men are taken away (acaph, removed), none considering that the righteous is taken away (acaph, removed) from the evil (Tribulation) to come. He shall enter into peace: they shall rest in their beds (in Heaven, Psa. 149:5), each one walking in his uprightness. But draw NEAR hither, ye sons of the sorceress, the seed of the adulterer and the whore" (i.e., the Beast and False Prophet, rulers of the Tribulation, are near).

In my ears - this SAYS - "At the end of the age, there shall be a serious waning of faith and devotion and fidelity (see previous verses). IN RESPECT TO THAT TIME AND SITUATION (God says): There will be a remnant of faithful people who have not lost interest in their religion. God will take note of those persons. There will be a "day" (moment in particular) when God points out and secures those faithful ones. God will spare those faithful ones from SOMETHING. Then those same faithful ones shall RETURN (ordinary word for "return" in Hebrew), and walk over the remains of the bad people, who are reduced (both figuratively and physically) to "ashes" under their feet. Those faithful ones will be like youngsters: overflowing with life and energy.

The sequence, as I see it, in Malachi 3:16-4:3 is thus:


***The sequence as I see it:
***Pre-Trib Rapture - Shortened Tribulation - Pre-Wrath Rapture on the first day of the Millennium - Second Advent 7 months later (Eze. 38:18-20; 39:12,13).

You could say that I just want to see all that there.... and you would be right, but that does not mean that I am not correct - and I invite you to give me ANY OTHER POSSIBLE explanation that will actually accommodate and respond to EVERY DETAIL of these texts.

I have been inviting pre-wrath and post-trib advocates to give me another reasonable explanation for these verses for 10 years. So far, none of them has even tried (no kidding). There are more verses like this, by the way. AND EVEN if.... it could be right that God did not intend for me to look for and see The Pre-trib Rapture in those verses...... those verses suggest the pre-trib idea on the analogy of faith.

THE ATTEMPT by some in the pre-wrath camp to distinguish between what they call "the wrath of man" and "the wrath of God" so that we can be here for the persecutions by the A/C but not here for the 100 pound hail is merely an arbitrary distinction that they INVENT ON THE SPOT. Wrath is wrath, and the Bible SAYS that God uses the bad man to execute His harsh sentence against other men.

Psa 17:13 (KJV) Arise, O LORD, disappoint him, cast him down: deliver my soul from the wicked, which is thy sword:

This also (God uses the bad man to execute His wrath), can be illustrated by multiple statements and incidents in the Bible.

To make this distinction between what the A/C will do you and what God through some cosmic fiat will do to you is to say that, If I loose the mad dog upon you, I haven't personally attacked you. Nothing could be further from the truth: you, and God, and the local magistrate all know that I ATTACKED YOU by letting the mad dog loose. Again...... 2 Th 2:7-8 (KJV) For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. 8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

***II Thess. 2:7,8 says, "he (the Holy Spirit in the salt of the Earth) who now letteth will let (Old English for hindereth will hinder), until he be taken out of the way (at the Pre-Trib Rapture). And then (after the Rapture) shall that Wicked be revealed."

Verse 3 says, "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day (Day of the Lord) shall not come, except there come a falling away (apostasia, departure, i.e., the Pre-Trib Rapture) FIRST, and that man of sin be revealed (SECOND), the son of perdition."

The Antichrist CANNOT get loose until God removes an obstruction. God has not yet removed that obstruction. When God removes it, the mad dog is loosed.

I'll stop here for now. Thank you for reading this far. Please call me "their last chance to prove PRE-trib to me" - and give me that chance.

Please tell me what I already sent to you.

Luke 21:36 (KJV) Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

Psalm 35:27 Dean

Incoming email, Re: creation question

Nice web site. But, is it too literal to believe that creation from Genesis took place in a literal 7 days? Just because we have set up a system of days as the time it takes the earth to rotate once about its axis, and a year as the time it takes the earth to rotate once around the sun, is it valid to assume that God follows our calendar? Perhaps creation took place over 7 "days" that were actually many years -- or millenia?

Also -- you don't mention this, but I am assuming that you would propose that the dinosaurs became extinct as a result of the asteroid impact once Rahab was obliterated. Therefore, does this account for the dating of dinosaur fossils to several millions of years before the historical records of human beings?

My reply

> > Just because we have set up a system of days as the time it takes the earth to rotate once about its axis, and a year as the time it takes the earth to rotate once around the sun, is it valid to assume that God follows our calendar?

Man did not set up the way to count days and years. God did. "GOD SAID, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and LET THEM BE FOR signs, and for seasons, and for DAYS, and YEARS" (Gen. 1:14). God follows his calendar on Earth.

> > is it too literal to believe that creation from Genesis took place in a literal 7 days?

The refashioning of Earth took place in 7 days. Otherwise the plants would have died during the long night.

Of the original creation, Gen. 1:1 says, "In the beginning God created (bara) the heaven ('skies,' Dr. Tabor; or heavens) and the earth." We are not given a beginning or ending date for this initial creation. The Bible basically covers about 7000 years. We only have hints of what went before or will follow the 7000 years. I believe the Earth itself is very old, but Adamic man was not on Earth until "God created (bara) man" in Gen. 1:27.

The "earth was (hayah, became; used when there is a change) without form (desolation), and void (emptiness), and darkness was upon the face of the deep" (the waters) (1:2).

Not until "God created (bara) great whales" in 1:21 do we find another original creation. Everything "made" in between v. 1 and 21 is "made" (asah, fashioned) of pre-existing things. In verse 3, "God said, LET there be light." It doesn't say he created (bara) light at that point. He arranged for the already existing light from the Sun to reach Earth.

God "made (asah, fashioned) the firmament" (1:7), the expanse of space between Heaven and Earth. In v. 9, "God said, LET THE WATERS under the heaven (lit., heavens) be gathered together unto one place, and LET THE DRY LAND appear."

In v. 11, "God said, LET THE EARTH BRING FORTH grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree." The seed was already in the Earth. It had not been growing because of the darkness. Gen. 2:5 says, "And every plant OF THE FIELD BEFORE (terem, from root meaning to interrupt or suspend) IT was in the earth, and every herb OF THE FIELD BEFORE (terem) IT grew."

Verse 14 says, "LET THERE BE LIGHTS in the firmament of the heaven (heavens) TO DIVIDE THE DAY FROM THE NIGHT."

Verse 15 says, "LET THEM BE (hayah, become; for this is a change from the darkness) FOR LIGHTS in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth."

Verse 16 says, "GOD MADE (asah, fashioned) two great lights".

Verse 17 says, "GOD SET THEM in the firmament of the heaven (lit., heavens) to give light upon the earth.

Verse 20 says, "LET THE WATERS BRING FORTH abundantly". The sea life was already there. The light would make them more abundant.

I believe Earth was hit by an asteroid when the dinosaurs were wiped out. Where the asteroid originally came from, I don't know. As for the date, I can't improve on the 65 million years that Walter and Luis Alvarez came up with back in 1980. The 0.5 inch layer of clay containing extra iridium, much more abundant in meteorites than Earth's soil, plus the tektites, shocked quartz and the ultra-high-pressure-formed quartz called stishovite, laid down worldwide proves the asteroid impact at the K-T boundary to me. Agape

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