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WASHINGTON [MENL] -- The United States has been examining the prospect of organizing an international force to stop the Israeli-Palestinian WAR.
Officials said both the Bush administration and Congress have quietly discussed an effort to recruit at least one division of combat troops that would patrol the West Bank and Gaza Strip and enforce a Palestinian ceasefire with Israel. They said many in the administration and Congress have concluded that a Palestinian state can not be established without an international force that will impose a ceasefire in the region.
"We're not talking about another U.S. military deployment," an official said. "Instead, we're discussing a NATO-type heavily-armed combat force that would be based mostly on troop contributions from Europe. There has been some discussions and positive feedback from some of our European friends."
Officials said congressional leaders, both Democrats and Republicans, have supported the deployment of U.S. troops in the Palestinian areas as part of an international force. They said NATO and the international community would require at least a pool of 30,000 troops, aircraft and armored platforms to form a credible deterrent against Palestinian insurgency groups that operate in the West Bank and Gaza Strip. At any one time, about 10,000 troops would patrol the West Bank and Gaza Strip in cooperation with Israel and the Palestinian Authority.
If you know of any testimonies of anyone being "transported by the Spirit," please pass them on to me. This is a most fascinating phenomenon.
This morning I woke up thinking about Philip in Acts chapter 8, whom the Spirit suddenly and supernaturally snatched up and transported to another location. Philip had just explained to the Ethiopian eunuch about whom Isaiah was referring in chapter 53 and told Him about Jesus and the "good news." The Ethiopian believed and wanted to be baptized, and Philip accommodated him.
And "When they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord suddenly took Philip away, and the eunuch did not see him again, but went on his way rejoicing. Philip, however, appeared at Azotus" (vs.39-40).
Over the years, I have heard of two cases where this happened. There are probably many more.
The first was an evangelist and Korean War veteran. He was wounded in Korea, lying on a hill inside enemy territory, and about to be captured. Suddenly, he was miraculously transported by the Spirit and found himself on another hill inside friendly territory, where he was rescued!
The second was a sharp young, Spirit-baptized Presbyterian pastor I knew personally. He told about one day that when he was in theological seminary, he was walking across the campus, already minutes late for class. Suddenly, he found himself sitting in the classroom. He looked at his watch and found that he was actually a few minutes early!
God transcends time and space, and nothing is impossible for Him. I thrill when I hear these things happening in our unbelieving world.
Someday, like Philip, believers will be snatched up by the Spirit, not to be dropped off in Azotus, but to meet the Lord in the air, and will forever be with the Lord. I believe that day to be soon.
Then think of the freedom of the sons of God, who, like Jesus, in their glorified bodies, will be able to travel at the speed of thought!
"We can't even imagine what we will be like when Christ returns. But we do know that when he comes we will be like him, for we will see him as he really is. And all who believe this will keep themselves pure, just as Christ is pure" (1 John 3:2-3, NLT). Jim
Besides Phillip, Scripture has another example of teletransportation. We have to read the three accounts carefully to get the whole story. It may prefigure our teletransportation to Heaven at the Rapture.
Mat 14:20-34 says, "they did all eat, and were filled: and they took up of the fragments that remained twelve baskets full. And they that had eaten were about five thousand men, beside women and children. And straightway (eutheos, immediately) Jesus constrained (anagkazo, compelled) his disciples to get into a ship, and to go before him unto the other side, while he sent the multitudes away. And when he had sent the multitudes away, HE WENT UP INTO A MOUNTAIN APART to pray: and when the evening was come, he was there alone. But THE SHIP WAS NOW IN THE MIDST OF THE SEA (Galilee, circuit), tossed with waves: for the wind was contrary. And IN THE FOURTH WATCH OF THE NIGHT (3-6 AM) JESUS WENT UNTO THEM, walking on the sea. And when the disciples saw him walking on the sea, they were troubled, saying, It is a spirit; and they cried out for fear. But straightway Jesus spake unto them, saying, Be of good cheer; it is I; be not afraid. And Peter answered him and said, Lord, if it be thou, bid me come unto thee on the water. And HE SAID, COME. And when Peter was come down out of the ship, he walked on the water, to go to Jesus. But when he saw the wind boisterous, he was afraid; and beginning to sink, he cried, saying, Lord, save me. And immediately Jesus stretched forth his hand, and caught him, and said unto him, O thou of little faith, wherefore didst thou doubt? And when they were come into the ship, the wind ceased. Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God. And WHEN THEY WERE GONE OVER, THEY CAME INTO THE LAND OF GENNESARET" (meaning THE GARDEN OF THE PRINCE, a plain south of Capernaum).
Gennesaret meaning THE GARDEN OF THE PRINCE reminds us of the heavenly Garden of Eden, the Paradise that Paul was caught up to. II Cor. 12:2,4 says that he was "CAUGHT UP (harpazo, raptured) TO THE THIRD HEAVEN (Mars, Jupiter, Saturn)...he was CAUGHT UP (harpazo, raptured) INTO PARADISE."
Mark 6:43-54 says, "they took up twelve baskets full of the fragments, and of the fishes. And they that did eat of the loaves were about five thousand men. And straightway he constrained his disciples to get into the ship, and to go to the other side before unto Bethsaida (meaning house of fishing, or house of fruit; before Bethsaida probably refers to Capernaum), while he sent away the people. And when he had sent them away, HE DEPARTED INTO A MOUNTAIN to pray. And when even was come, THE SHIP WAS IN THE MIDST OF THE SEA, and he alone on the land. And he saw them toiling in rowing; for the wind was contrary unto them: and about the fourth watch of the night (3-6 AM) HE COMETH unto them, walking upon the sea, and would have passed by them. But when they saw him walking upon the sea, they supposed it had been a spirit, and cried out: For they all saw him, and were troubled. And immediately he talked with them, and saith unto them, Be of good cheer: it is I; be not afraid. And he went up unto them into the ship; and the wind ceased: and they were sore amazed in themselves beyond measure, and wondered. For they considered not the miracle of the loaves: for their heart was hardened. And WHEN THEY HAD PASSED OVER, THEY CAME INTO THE LAND OF GENNESARET (THE GARDEN OF THE PRINCE), and drew to the shore. And when they were come out of the ship, straightway they knew him".
John 6:13-21 says, "they gathered them together, and filled twelve baskets with the fragments of the five barley loaves, which remained over and above unto them that had eaten. Then those men, when they had seen the miracle that Jesus did, said, This is of a truth that prophet that should come into the world. When Jesus therefore perceived that they would come and take him by force, to make him a king, HE DEPARTED AGAIN INTO A MOUNTAIN himself alone. And when even was now come, his disciples went down unto the sea, And entered into a ship, and went over the sea toward Capernaum (NW of Gennesaret, SE of Bethsaida). And it was now dark, and Jesus was not come to them. And the sea arose by reason of a great wind that blew. So when they had rowed about five and twenty or thirty furlongs, THEY SEE JESUS walking on the sea, and drawing nigh unto the ship: and they were afraid. But he saith unto them, It is I; be not afraid. Then they willingly received him into the ship: and IMMEDIATELY THE SHIP WAS AT THE LAND WHITHER THEY WENT."
From the middle of the sea, which can mean nations and people (Rev. 17:15) they were teletransported to the Garden of the Prince. And WHEN THEY HAD PASSED OVER, THEY CAME INTO THE LAND OF GENNESARET (THE GARDEN OF THE PRINCE) (Mark 6:53). Agape
Also, the only reason we have seasons is because the earth rotates on a tilted axis -- so, either seasons existed way before this decree, or the earth's axis was actually knocked out of its position, giving it the 23 degree axis of rotation it has today. Thank you for your reply.
I didn't say it was. I said,
> > > Of the original creation, Gen. 1:1 says, "In the beginning God created (bara) the heaven ('skies,' Dr. Tabor; or heavens) and the earth." We are not given a beginning or ending date for this initial creation...
> > > The "earth was (hayah, became; used when there is a change) without form (desolation), and void (emptiness), and darkness was upon the face of the deep" (the waters) (1:2)."
It helped me when I found out how the Hebrew word "hayah" is used. If there is no change, "hayah" is not used. It is to be understood and supplied by the reader. Only when there is a change is "hayah," (to be, to exist) used. In Gen. 1:1-13 (KJV), the word supplied by the translator is italicized.
It says, "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." (Thus 'saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain [tohu, desolation], he formed it to be inhabited' Isa. 45:18)
Continuing in Gen. 1: "And the earth was (hayah, indicating change, better understood in English as 'became') without form (tohu, desolation), and void (bohu, empty); and darkness was (no change) upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. And God said, Let there be (hayah, become) light: and there was light. And God saw the light, that it was (no change) good: and God divided the light from the darkness. And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day."
> > I believe the bible uses imagery and metaphor to get its message across.
I agree. I watch for the words "like" and "as." They alert me that what is coming up is symbolic.
> > either seasons existed way before this decree, or the earth's axis was actually knocked out of its position, giving it the 23 degree axis of rotation it has today.
I don't know when earth's axis was tilted, but after Gen. 1:14, there were seasons. Agape
Psalm 37 11But the meek shall inherit the earth; and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace.
Matthew 5 5Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
To many people are reading between the lines and adding to scripture and taking away from scripture and making it to say what they wont it to say just so they can justify the sin they are in.
Second: I would like you to give me scripture and verse where it says the word rapture.
The Bible says in Revelation 22 7Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book. 8And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which showed me these things. 9Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God. Revelation 22 18For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: 19And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
Third: the LORD said in Matthew 24 4And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. 5For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
People are reading your web page and thinking that all they have to do is wait on the pre tribulation rapture.
You came in the name of Jesus preaching that He is the Christ and you are deceiving many.
What if JUST what if the church does have to go through tribulation? Does that mean that the ones that are waiting on the pre tribulation rapture will run to the man on sin as their god? Could this be the falling away that Paul was talking about in 2 Thessalonians 2 1Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
We need to get back to the word of GOD and read it for just what it says like it says to in Isaiah 28 9Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts. 10For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:
Matthew 7 13Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 14Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
As for the resurrection of Christ:
Most people do not understand when the LORDS day starts and when it ends if we refer back to GENESIS 1:5 we find that it started in the evening and then the morning and then it ended at evening. If we look in the laws of GOD (EXODUS 12:16) we find the feast of unleavened bread and Passover in witch Jesus and his apostles did eat; we find that this feast was to be kept for seven days, we find that the first day of the feast and the last day of the feast was an holy convocation in witch no work was to be done.
John 19:31 called it a high Sabbath. John 19 31The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.
Jesus said in Matthew 12 40For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
He died on Wednesday about 3:00 if you remember they had to get him in the ground before the Sabbath started at sundown. Wednesday evening and Thursday morning was the first day, Thursday evening and Friday morning was the second day, Friday evening and Saturday morning was the third day. He had to come out of the ground at the same time that he went in only three days and nights later. Matthew 28: 1In the end of the Sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre. 2And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it. 3His countenance was like lightning, and his raiment white as snow: 4And for fear of him the keepers did shake, and became as dead men. 5And the angel answered and said unto the women, Fear not ye: for I know that ye seek Jesus, which was crucified. 6He is not here: for he is risen, as he said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay. 7And go quickly, and tell his disciples that he is risen from the dead; and, behold, he goeth before you into Galilee; there shall ye see him: lo, I have told you.
REMEMBER GODS DAY STARTED IN THE EVENING.
Whither it was one minute or five minutes or five seconds before the first day started He was raised on the Sabbath day. We either make Jesus words out a lie or we make his words true
Matthew 24 24For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
It is not possible to deceive the very elect. Preparation
> > give me scripture and verse where it says that we are going to Heaven.
Heb. 11:4-16 mentions Abel, Enoch, Noah, Abraham and Sara. Then verses 15 and 16 say, "truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out (i.e., from Earth), they might have had opportunity to have returned (to Earth). But now they desire a better country, that is, an HEAVENLY: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city" (the heavenly New Jerusalem).
1Co 15:47 The first man ('Adam, which was the son of God,' Luke 3:38) is of the earth, earthy: the second man (the Son of God, Jesus Christ) is the Lord (YHWH of hosts, the Redeemer, Isa. 44:6) FROM HEAVEN."
John 14,2,3 says, "In my Father's house (i.e., in HEAVEN) are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I GO TO PREPARE A PLACE FOR YOU (he ascended 10 days before Pentecost in 30 AD). And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again (i.e., at the Rapture), and receive you unto myself; THAT WHERE I AM (in Heaven), THERE YE MAY BE ALSO."
Heb 12:23 says, "To the general assembly and CHURCH of the firstborn, which are written in HEAVEN, and to God (Jesus Christ) the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect." Don't forget that John 5:22 says, "For the Father judgeth no man, but HATH COMMITTED ALL JUDGMENT UNTO THE SON."
Mat 6:19,20 says, "LAY NOT UP FOR YOURSELVES TREASURES UPON EARTH, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal: But LAY UP FOR YOURSELVES TREASURES IN HEAVEN, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal."
> > give me scripture and verse where it says the word rapture
Keep in mind that the New Testament was written in Greek, not English. All the Greek text has been translated into English for us. In the English KJV, 1Thess. 4:16 says, "the Lord himself shall descend from HEAVEN with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall RISE first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be CAUGHT UP (Greek: 'harpazo'; Latin: "rapiemir"; English: 'caught up' or raptured) together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."
The Old Testament was written in Hebrew, with some Chaldean in Daniel. Isa. 57:1-3 says, "The righteous perisheth (abad, escapes, vanishes, i.e., at the Rapture), and no man layeth it to heart: and merciful men are TAKEN AWAY (acaph, gathered, removed, evacuated, i.e., raptured), none considering that the righteous is TAKEN AWAY (acaph, evacuated, i.e., raptured) from the evil (Tribulation) to come. He shall enter into peace: they shall rest in their beds, each one walking in his uprightness (in Heaven, Psa. 149:5). But draw NEAR hither (i.e., at the Rapture, the Tribulation is near), ye sons of the sorceress, the seed of the adulterer and the whore."
Many will see the Rapture. Psa. 40:1-3 says, "I waited patiently for the LORD; and he inclined (bent down) unto me, and heard my cry. He BROUGHT ME UP also out of an horrible pit (as Jeremiah was pulled up out of the miry pit), out of the miry clay (of Earth), and set my feet upon a rock (the planet Heaven), and established my goings (being caught up at the Rapture). And he hath put a new song in my mouth, even praise unto our God: many shall see it (the Rapture), and fear, and shall trust in the LORD."
> > what if the church does have to go through tribulation? Does that mean that the ones that are waiting on the pre tribulation rapture will run to the man on sin as their god?
No. If they are overcomers, they will keep the faith in Christ to the end, whether they are caught up in the Pre-Trib Rapture or the Pre-Wrath Rapture.
> > Could this be the falling away that Paul was talking about in 2 Thessalonians 2
No. The overcomers will not fall away. Paul was talking about the Rapture. II Thess. 2:1-3 says, "Now we beseech YOU, brethren (believers), by the coming of OUR Lord Jesus Christ, and by OUR (believers') GATHERING TOGETHER UNTO HIM (i.e., at the Rapture), That YE(believers) be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ (almost all MSS have day of the Lord, i.e., the Millennium) is at hand. Let no man deceive YOU by any means: for that day (first day of the Millennial reign of Christ) shall not come, except there come a falling away (apostasia, DEPARTING, i.e., the Rapture; like apostacion, divorcement, when one person departs) FIRST, and that man of sin (the False Prophet) be revealed (SECOND; i.e., when he signs the Peace Covenant of Dan. 9:27), the son of perdition". Judas Iscariot was the 1st that Satan entered into. The False Prophet will be the last that Satan will enter into.
Continuing, II Thess. 2:4-8 says, "Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God (Mid-Trib). Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? And now ye know what withholdeth (the Holy Spirit in us, the salt of the earth) that he (the False Prophet) might be revealed in his time (the Tribulation). For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he (the Holy Spirit in the salt of the Earth) who now letteth will let (Old English for hindereth will hinder), until he (the Holy Spirit in the salt of the Earth) be TAKEN OUT of the way (at the Pre-Trib Rapture). And then (after the departing at the Rapture) shall that Wicked be revealed."
> > in Matthew 12 40For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. > > He died on Wednesday about 3:00 if you remember they had to get him in the ground before the Sabbath started at sundown. Wednesday evening and Thursday morning was the first day, Thursday evening and Friday morning was the second day, Friday evening and Saturday morning was the third day. He had to come out of the ground at the same time that he went in only three days and nights later.
But Scripture does not say that "He had to come out of the ground at the same time that he went in only three days and nights later." It says, "so shall the Son of man be THREE DAYS and three nights in the heart of the earth."
Mt. 12:40 starts with three DAYS, so I think we should start our count with days: Thursday, DAY, Friday, night then day, Saturday, night then day, and Sunday night. Everything fits perfectly if we just let Scripture tell the story.
The high sabbath was Passover, Friday, Nisan 14. John 19:31 says, "The Jews therefore, because IT WAS THE PREPARATION [Thursday, Nisan 13], that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day [the Feast of Passover, Friday, Nisan 14], (FOR THAT SABBATH DAY WAS AN HIGH DAY [i.e., a feast day],) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away."
John 19:14 says, "IT WAS THE PREPARATION OF THE PASSOVER, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!" In 30 AD, Nisan 13, Thursday, was the preparation of the passover that fell on the next day, Friday, Nisan 14.
The Crucifixion was not on the feast day. Mat 26:5 says, "they said, NOT ON THE FEAST DAY (i.e., it was not on Friday, Nisan 14, the Feast of Passover), lest there be an uproar among the people." Mark 14:2 also says, "they said, NOT ON THE FEAST DAY, lest there be an uproar of the people." To me, this actually knocks out the Feast of the Passover on Friday, Nisan 14, the Feast of Unleavened Bread on Saturday, Nisan 15, and the Feast of Firstfruits on Sunday, Nisan 16.
Jesus died as the lambs were being killed at the temple. They were to be roasted and eaten between 6 PM and midnight at the beginning of Nisan 14. Jesus was put in the tomb as the lambs were put in ovens.
Have you ever wondered why the lambs had to be ROASTED WITH FIRE? 1Pe 3:18-20 explains, "Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: By which also HE WENT AND PREACHED UNTO THE SPIRITS IN PRISON; Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water."
On Sunday, after the Resurrection, Luke 24:21 says, "But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and BESIDES ALL THIS, TO DAY IS THE THIRD SAY SINCE these things were done." The third day since Thursday, when Jesus was crucified, is (1) Friday, (2) Saturday, and (3) Sunday.
> > Matthew 28: 1In the end of the Sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre. 2And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it. 3His countenance was like lightning, and his raiment white as snow: 4And for fear of him the keepers did shake, and became as dead men. 5And the angel answered and said unto the women, Fear not ye: for I know that ye seek Jesus, which was crucified. 6He is not here: for he is risen, as he said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay. 7And go quickly, and tell his disciples that he is risen from the dead; and, behold, he goeth before you into Galilee; there shall ye see him: lo, I have told you.
> > REMEMBER GODS DAY STARTED IN THE EVENING.
> > Whither it was one minute or five minutes or five seconds before the first day started He was raised on the Sabbath day. We either make Jesus words out a lie or we make his words true
Don't forget that there were 12 hours of night and then 12 hours of day. Mt. 28:1 says, "as it began to dawn." That means sun-up, Sunday morning, the beginning of the 12 hours of day. They thought of sun-up as the beginning of a new day, even though that date actually started at sun-down the previous day.
We express ourselves about the same way. We think of sun-up as the beginning of a new day, even though that date actually started at midnight. Agape
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