Pro and Con 1058

Posted 9-17-03

Incoming email, "A CRYPTANALYSTS VIEW OF THE BIBLICAL RAPTURE TIME FRAME"

I've received a huge number of requests for this...if you could pls. consider printing it in its entirety on your site.

And you are one persistent & intelligent lady!!!! Maranatha!!!

My reply

Thanks. It is posted below. My two-cents worth is interspersed and marked ***. Agape and Maranatha
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A PROVEN TRIANGULATED THEOREM TYING IN JESUS’ GENERATION, HOSEA 6:2 & GOD’S CLOCK WHICH AGREES WITH AND IS BASED ON THE WORD
Anonymous - All Credit is to the Holy Spirit & also thanks to my Korean friend who did the Regression Analyses, MJ Agee for her tireless persistence the men I know are hidden genius’ at Five Doves -
FINAL UPDATED REVISION 9/15/03

SYNOPSIS
Intelligence can be gathered from a variety of sources:
Human Intelligence -- If the credibility factor is high enough
Signal Intelligence -- By definition what one sees
Written Intelligence -- Data which is substantiated and decrypted

The most significant event in this century will be the rapture -- and everyone wonders what time frame it may encompass. Knowing God’s sovereignty look at the book of John: Jesus said “Behold, I have told you all things.” That’s an all-inclusive statement.

And at the end of the book of Daniel, it states that in the latter times “knowledge shall be increased.”

Would God want the church to know? If the attributes we give to God’s character are what the Bible says they are, then the answer is certainly yes. REVELATION 3:3 states Remember, therefore, what you have received and heard; obey it, and repent. But if you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know what time (Fixed Schedule in Greek) I will come to you. Turn that around with circular reference logic and it states if you do watch you will know.

*** I agree that we can know the hour (hora, day, hour, instant, season; translated "time" above), but it isn't easy to pin-point what "hour" means. It's exact meaning is to be determined by the context.

***Rev. 3:2-6 is very important today. It says, "HOLD FAST, AND REPENT (see I John 1:9). If therefore thou shalt not WATCH, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what HOUR I will come upon thee. Thou hast a few names even in Sardis (meaning THOSE ESCAPING, i.e., in the Pre-Trib Rapture) which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they ARE WORTHY. He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in WHITE RAIMENT; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels. He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches."

***Luke 21:36 ties in. It says, "WATCH ye therefore, and PRAY always, that ye may be ACCOUNTED WORTHY TO ESCAPE all these things that shall (i.e., hereafter the Rapture, Rev. 4:1) come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man" (in Heaven, Rev. 5:9).

***Heb. 12:25 says, "See that ye refuse not him that speaketh (Jesus Christ). For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth (YHVH of hosts, the pre-incarnate Christ, at Mt. Sinai), much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him (Jesus Christ) that speaketh from heaven"

***In Isa. 48:16-18, the pre-incarnate Christ said, "Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it (the 'beginning' of Gen. 1:1) was, there am I: and now the (1) Lord GOD, and (2) his Spirit, hath sent (3) me (the pre-incarnate Christ). Thus saith the LORD (YHVH), thy Redeemer (Christ), the Holy One of Israel; I AM THE LORD THY GOD which teacheth thee to profit, which leadeth thee by the way that thou shouldest go. O that thou hadst hearkened to MY COMMANDMENTS (i.e., the Pre-incarnate Christ dealt with Israel at Mt. Sinai)! then had thy peace been as a river, and thy righteousness as the waves of the sea".

After studying the rapture for about twenty years I felt led to just write an Intel Briefing about what is most likely -- remembering that research is a conclusion of persistence and study, and the elimination of data as well as the gathering of data. As time passes we can eliminate some prior misconceptions and whatever remains has to be the truth.

The Human Intel portions of this briefing are rated high in credibility as they are from known credible sources: Jesse Duplantis, Dr. Eby, a California pastor’s son and a New Zealand pastor. Anyone seeking confirmation of any data enclosed herein can utilize a meta-search engine such as debriefing or google, the latter of which has catalogued over two billion web pages, to enter appropriate key words and extrapolate the data on which this report is based.

THE MYSTERY OF HOSEA 6:2: SOLVED?

For decades people have wondered if Hosea 6:2 meant what it said. If it did, well, then 2 days of God’s time are allotted to the church age and after that God begins dealing with the Jewish people.

***In the last 2 verses of Hosea 5, Christ is speaking, "For I will be unto Ephraim as a lion, and as a young lion to the house of Judah: I, even I, will tear and go away (yalak, depart); I will take away (nasa, lift up; he took those in Paradise to Heaven on Resurrection Day), and none shall rescue him. I will go and return to MY PLACE (Heaven), till they acknowledge their offence (i.e., in crucifying Him), and seek my face: in their affliction (Day of God's Wrath, end of the Shortened Tribulation) they will seek me early." The whole nation will be born in a day--that day (Isa. 66:8).

***As chapter 6 begins, Israel is speaking. In Hos. 6:1-3, she says, "Come, and let us (Israelites) return unto the LORD: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us (Israelites) up. AFTER TWO DAYS (i.e., after two 1000-year days) will he revive us (Israel) in the third day (i.e., after the third millennium has started) he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight (fulfilled; Israel became a nation in 1948). Then (after 1948) shall we know, if we FOLLOW ON to know the LORD: his (the LORD Jesus Christ's) GOING FORTH is prepared as the morning (dawn, when the 'Sun of righteousness, Mal. 4:2, comes up), and he shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter (Second Advent on Nisan 1) and former rain (First Advent on Tishri 1) unto the earth."

*** Things that happened to Israel are for our admonition upon whom the ends of the ages are come. 1Co 10:11 says, "Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world (ages) are come." Therefore, there is a chance that the 2000 years could have a double fulfillment. We should consider it, but be aware that it primarily applies to Israel.

***WHAT IF the "former rain" of Hos. 6:3 also applies to Christ's coming in the air at the Pre-Trib Rapture? That would indicate that the Pre-Trib Rapture would take place on the Feast of Trumpets. The reference to the rain reminds me of the day Noah went into the Ark and the Lord closed the door. It started to rain that same day. Door is a symbol of a Rapture. Rev. 3:8 says that the "open door" is placed before the Philadelphians.

***Will the door of Heaven open at the Pre-Trib Rapture on the Feast of Trumpets, Sept. 27, 2003? We will soon find out.

***Seven years from Tishri 1, 5764 (Sept. 27, 2003) would end on Tishri 1, 5771 (Sept. 9, 2010), a Jewish Leap Year, when there would be the necessary 7 months (Eze. 39:12,13) between the Day of God's Wrath (Eze. 38:18-20) and the Second Advent on the following Nisan 1, first day of the Jewish Regnal and Sacred Year.

I believe God purposely delays revelation knowledge in a manner befitting to purposes and plans, and I also believe “to whom is given” they will constantly receive more. Both are Bible principles.

God’s times in the Bible are measured “by the Spirit.” The Bible itself says prophets of old have constantly sought out these matters. God expects us to as well, using all the intelligence we can gather and basing the framing of the Rapture on the Word.

The Word says 2 Days:

"After two days he will revive us; on the third day he will restore us, that we may live in his presence.” This is a major clue to the cryptogram of the Bible’s Rapture Time Frame.

This word was spoken to Jewish prophets and marks the beginning of the church age. There are four Web sites which have excellent Jewish / Christian calendar converters (the Jewish calendar has approximately 11 less days per year than the Christian).

There are several excellent sites which also frame the Passover the year Jesus died at AD 31.

*** I think the Crucifixion was in 30 AD. Herod's Temple was begun in BC 20/19. Thus, the 46th year of it's construction was the first Passover of Jesus' ministry, 27AD. The last Passover would then be in 30 AD.

Adding 2 Jewish Days (2,000 years) to this time frame equates to 1971 years. This brings us to the year 2002. One year Warnings / Waiting periods (i.e., after judgment is pronounced as in the Book of Daniel or as transition is about to take place as in the Book of Deuteronomy) are typical in the Bible - add one year and you have the Year 2003.

*** I take it that you are using 360-day years when you mention 2000 years equating to 1971 years. (30 AD + 1971 = 2001). The year 2001 is the first year of the 22nd century, an important milestone. Hos. 6:2 says, "AFTER two days." If this is the correct way to figure it, the Rapture would come after 2001.

The Bible normally though provides at least one other confirming Scripture so you know you’re right on any particular subject. Can we confirm 2003 working backwards from 2010: the end of the Tribulation?

When Moses led the Israelites out of Egypt, and they initially refused to enter the Promised Land (that generation), God told them (all 20 years and younger), they wouldn’t see it.

***It was those 20 and older that died off in the wilderness. Those 19 and younger went into the promised land.

God then confirms further in the Psalms that a generation (for a man) is fourscore years, i.e., eighty years.

***Psa. 90:10 says, "The days of our years are threescore years and ten; and if by reason of strength they be fourscore years, yet is their strength labour and sorrow; for it is soon cut off, and we fly away."

***"The days of our years" is talking about man's whole lifetime, not a generation. Webster's Unabridged Dictionary says, "generation...to beget...the period of time (about thirty years) between the birth of one generation and that of another."

***The Israelites wandered in the wilderness 40 years while the older generation died off.

***Mt. 1:17 says that there are fourteen generations from Abraham to David. That works out to be 48.33 years for one generation. Therefore, we should consider 40 to 48 years as one generation. Israel fulfilled the fig tree parable of Mt. 24:32-34 by growing leaves (Sinai, Gaza Strip, Golan Heights and West Bank) in the Six-Day War of 1967. Adding 40 years to 1967 brings us to 2007. Adding 48 years to 1967 brings us to 2015.

***Thus the 7-year Tribulation might end sometime between 2007 and 2015. However, the last Jewish year of the Tribulation looks to me like it has to be a Jewish Leap Year. This is because there are 7 months between the catastrophic Day of God's Wrath and the Second Advent (Eze. 38:18-20; 39:12,13).

***Possible Leap years are 5768 (2007/2008), 5771 (2010/2011), and 5774 (2013/2014). If 5771 is the last year of the Tribulation, 5764 would be the first year. It starts Sept. 27, 2003.

***Here are the dates of the feasts in 5764:
Trumpets - Tishri 1/2, Sept. 27/28, 2003
Day of Atonement - Tishri 10, Oct. 6, 2003
Tabernacles - Tishri 15, Oct. 11, 2003
Passover - Nisan 14, Apr. 5, 2004
Unleavened Bread - Nisan 15, Apr. 6, 2004
Firstfruits - Nisan 16, Apr. 7, 2004
Pentecost - Sivan 6/7, May 26/27, 2004

*** Here are other upcoming dates we might want to consider:
Cheshvan 17 - Noah went into the Ark, Nov. 12, 2003
Cheshvan 27 - Noah came out of the Ark, Nov. 22, 2003
Hanukkah - Kislev 25, Dec. 20, 2003

***Since the Great Tribulation is to be shortened, a Pentecost Rapture might seem the most likely. However, there is another possible date to consider. We are the temple of the Holy Spirit, and Israel regained the temple area on June 7, 1967, Iyar 28. May 19, 2004 will be Iyar 28, 5764.

A one-year (Waiting) Period, according to the first and last chapters of Deuteronomy was assigned to the generation that crossed over to Canaan. They crossed over in the 41st year (Chapter 1 states 40 years & eleven months and at the end of the Book of Deuteronomy it states they mourned 30 days for Moses); therefore a 40-year Testing Period followed by a 1-year Waiting Period is the precise typology that was done for us. This Waiting Period is commensurate with the typology for our generation which will cross over in a different manner so it must be added to the generational computation. Paul wrote these things were manners and types of what would fall on us.

Israel was recognized by the UN (which late last year appointed 10 members to its Security Council) in 1949. Adding to define numerically: this generation = eighty (& one) years less twenty as per the Bible’s instructions, leaves us with sixty one years.

***Why are you subtracting 20 years? because those under 20 were not counted when they came out of Egypt?

Sixty one years ends in 2010. Subtracting seven years (for a seven yearTribulation Period) brings us to a very interesting and confirmed year - 2003. The Tribulation must begin according to Jesus’ own words in 2003.

HUMAN INTELLIGENCE

Whenever God is about to do something he’ll normally take people, a small group of them anyway, and literally tell them something.

Approximately in 1988 Jesse Duplantis, who rates a 100 in credibility as far as any Christian is concerned, was taken on a several-hour tour of heaven and told by Jesus two very interesting things (about the Rapture Time Frame): One was that it would happen sooner than he thought.

The second was that people need to look at the Word for the final answer on the season / year of the Rapture. That’s what we just did above and we continue to do in this report.

Dr. Eby’s story is well known and need not be repeated. He was told when he had the near-death experience in the 1970s he would not die until the Rapture occurred. He recently passed away, according to his own pleadings apparently, but he remains a barometer for the final days. He had an updated briefing from the Lord before he passed on, who told him several things, including that “It’s now too late for anyone to do anything except repent or perish.” Only God would or could make this statement.

The New Zealand Pastor who had a personal visit from the Lord was told that the last sign before the Rapture would be “the removal of Arafat.” On a de facto basis this has occurred, as of Thursday, September, 11, the 2 year anniversary of the World Trade Center bombings. Notice the Lord did not say “assassinated” or “exiled” but only “removed.” The Mossad and Israeli commandos have rehearsed theater scenarios, including a snatch & grab where he’ll be lifted out by helicopter to a country such as Libya. On 24 hours’ notice once they receive orders this will be done. He’s probably being given a few weeks to think about: whether the physical abduction takes place before or after the Rapture on Rosh Hashanna at the end of September is a moot point.

The son (19 year old son) of the California Pastor was taken to heaven in September 2000 for a brief time, where he saw the Throne Room, and talked with the Lord. The Lord told him not to worry about getting a Driver’s License (he desperately wanted one), because the time left was “so short it wouldn’t be worth the trouble.”

Highly credible people. The same message as the Word.

THE DAY OF THE RAPTURE

The Jewish feast days have been fulfilled in exact sequence and the next one to be filled is Rosh Hashanah, a two day feast beginning Friday at Sundown, the final Friday of this September 2003. READ THE POST AT THE FIVE DOVES SITE (www.fivedoves.com) by Mark Copfer (11 Sep 2003 post) on Why Rosh Hashanah IS The Time Of THE RAPTURE. It’s a 2-day frame of time and not a day of 24 hours. It begins Friday at sundown until Sunday at sundown.

I have hundreds of pages of research but in writing this felt I should write from the standpoint of something non-technical, that one could read in a ten minute briefing, like the Daily Intelligence Briefing the President receives.

It’s my sincere hope this material will find its way into the right hands.

This material is not copyrighted, may be independently verified by research, and may be freely distributed. You can also copy it and distribute it to relatives, or your local or national pastor.

REGRESSION ANALYSES FOLLOWS ON “GOD’S BIG CLOCK”

If you’d like a mathematical graph of this please contact him directly at the Email address: From: denock@dreamwiz.com

I'm a Korean. (S.Korea);My name is Hyoung-duk Kim.

Once again, I had read Marissa's visions(Nine-year-old girl's dreams and visions) three days before.

In the article, I drew attention to the fact that she(not Marissa) saw a clock in the throne room of God that said 5 minutes to midnight in 1952.

And I thought out an idea that can predict the Midnight's year. 'A Divine Revelation of Hell' by Mary K. Baxter revealed that she saw the Clock of God that said 3 minutes to

Midnight. ( Chapter#6 'Activity in Hell' ) And Mary Baxter received the Divine Revelation in 1976.

In succession...

In 1998, Nancy B. was given a prophetic vision of seeing the Clock of God that said One minute to Midnight. http://amightywind.com/artgallery/onemin.htm

Collectively,In 1952, 5 minutes to Midnight
In 1976, 3 minutes to Midnight
In 1998, 1 minute to Midnight

I thought that such series were not mere accident. Although I had only three data, I tried doing a Regression Analysis. R Response variable(r.v.) is 'year'. Explanatory variable(e.v.) is 'min'.

And 'R-square' is e.v.'s explainable power that explain r.v.

In result, Regression equation . year = 2009.8 - 11.5min 'R-square' is 99.94% and this model is very good. In the model one minute is about 11.5 years.

We try min=0 : year=2009.8 and almost 2010.

Therefore, we assume that this model is true and we try again.

In 2010, 0 minute to Midnight

The 95% confidence interval is 2010±2. (2008,2012)

I think that the Clock of God is a timeframe that informs the end of mankind and 2010 will be The Lord's

(Physical Appearance @ end of Tribulation) Return on the Earth before the Millennium. (The New Jerusalem) Consequently, 2010 minus 7 years of tribulation is 2003.

I think that Pre-Tribulation Rapture will be 2003 and we will be raptured in this year.

I want to share this information with you.
We will meet the Lord in the air.Soon..
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From: Jeane Kruchowski (jeannekru@msn.com): 9/15/03

Excerpts:
“I watched the History channel last night and there was a program on about the Bible Codes with mostly Rabbis & Jews interviewed. According to one researcher, Armageddon is encoded with the year = 2010, in the Fall. I felt such an urgency you can’t believe. All the other codes have been saying the same thing which people have been researching, the Feast of Trumpets this year seems to be it....

Jerry Grenough
505 Beachland Blvd. # 185, Vero Beach, FL 32963

Incoming email, Re: A Believer's Rewards

Didn't you write a pro and con a little while ago about believers receiving their rewards at the judgement seat of Christ on the first day of the Millenium based on Rev. 11:18? I didn't bring it up at the time although the question that passed through my mind was don't you believe that the raptured believer's crowns are part of their reward? I always thought they were, and the elders are wearing gold crowns in Rev. 4:4 before the 7 seals on the scroll are opened and the tribulation begins. I also think that being in the Rapture would also be a great reward in itself, and I also thought that Rev. 11:18 might just apply to the tribulation saints and the prophets receiving their reward after the second coming of Christ to earth. Why would all saints have to wait to be rewarded and judged at one time after Christ's second coming to earth? Also if you don't think that the believer's gold crown is not a reward, then what do you see it as? God bless

My reply

> > don't you believe that the raptured believer's crowns are part of their reward?

Of course, but these incorruptible crowns are handed out before the Judgment Seat of Christ convenes. There is the judgment that begins at the house of God before the Judgment Seat of Christ convenes on the first day of his millennial reign. I Peter 4:17 says, "For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?"

As I understand it, the rewards given out at the Judgment Seat of Christ are for all saints, from the "prophets" to "them that fear thy name, small and great" (Rev. 11:18).

I think the Pre-Trib Rapture is "the prize." In I Cor. 9:24-27, Paul said, "Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth THE PRIZE? So run, that ye may obtain. And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible CROWN; but we an INCORRUPTIBLE. I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air: But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a CASTAWAY." Phil. 3:14 says, "I press toward the mark for THE PRIZE of the high calling (the 'Come up hither,' Rev. 4:1) of GOD IN CHRIST JESUS."

Castaways, the foolish Laodicean virgins, without brightly burning lamps, without white raiment, will be left behind when the Bridegroom comes for the Bride of Christ. Luke 12:46 says, "The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder (lit., cut him off), and will appoint him his portion (the shortened Tribulation) with the unbelievers." Mt. 24:51 adds, "And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites (pretenders): there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

> > Why would all saints have to wait to be rewarded and judged at one time after Christ's second coming to earth?

I think the reward of the saints is 7 months BEFORE the Second Advent. The Judgment of the Nations is AFTER the Second Advent.

In Eze. 38:18-20, we read about the catastrophe on the Day of God's Wrath, which is also the Day of the Pre-Wrath Rapture (before noon, Zeph. 2:2-5) and the day the Sign of the Son of Man is seen in the sky. "And it shall come to pass in that day, saith the Lord GOD, that I will cause the sun to go down at NOON, and I will darken the earth in the clear day" (Amos 8:9).

Eze. 38:18-20 says, "it shall come to pass at the same time when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, saith the Lord GOD, that MY FURY shall come up in my face. For in my jealousy and in the fire of MY WRATH have I spoken, Surely in that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel (the asteroid of Rev. 8:8 falls into the Mediterranean Sea); So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence (paniym, face, i.e., seen in the sky), and the mountains (asteroids of Rev. 8:8,10) shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground."

Then Eze. 38:12,13 says, "SEVEN MONTHS shall the house of Israel be burying of them, that they may cleanse the land. Yea, all the people of the land shall bury them; and it shall be to them a renown the day that I shall be glorified (at the Second Advent), saith the Lord GOD."

The Judgment Seat of Christ in Heaven is on the same day as the catastrophe on Earth. In Rev. 11:17, the rewards are handed out to believers in Heaven at the same time that God's Wrath falls on unbelievers on Earth. Agape

Incoming email, Re: A Question; End of this age

...I love your web site! It is up to date, informative, and very sound regarding the Firstfruits Rapture of the Bride and the ongoing events following that one great event. I noticed in your article, "Chronology of End-time Events", that you think this age could end and the millennial Day of the Lord begin on our Sept. 13, 2007. Since today is Aug 26, 2003, it seems the date you suggested may not be correct. Especially since that Day begins 7 months from the end of the 7 years (assuming I correctly understand). Do you have any other thoughts as to a revision? As a Watcher, I am very interested in what you think. Thanks for your time. His Blessings to you

My reply

Thanks for your kind words.

> > Do you have any other thoughts as to a revision?

Yes. We seem to be running out of time with that plan. The next Jewish Leap Year after 5768 (2007/2008) will be 5771. The reason I think the final year of the Tribulation has to be a leap year is because there are to be 7 months (Eze. 39:12,13) between the Day of God's Wrath (Eze. 38:18-20) and the following Nisan 1, when Christ returns on the first day of the Jewish Regnal Year and Sacred Year. Ordinary years only have 6 months between Tishri and Nisan. In Leap Years, the 13th month, VeAdar, falls between Tishri and Nisan, making that span 7 months.

2300-day shortened Tribulation

I found something very interesting. From Wed., May 19, 2004 (Iyar 28, 5764) to Sun., Sept. 5, 2010 (Tishri 1, 5771) is 2300 days. Keep in mind that June 7, 1967 was Iyar 28, 5727. That was the day Israel regained the temple area. That day could relate to us, because we are the temple of the Holy Spirit.

Dan. 8:13,14 says, "Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice (i.e., first half of the Tribulation), and the transgression of desolation (Mid-Trib), to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot (i.e., till the Day of God's Wrath)? And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days (lit., evenings and mornings); then shall the sanctuary be cleansed."

We were told over and over to watch. On June 7, 1967 (Iyar 28, 5727), Israel regained the temple area. Since we are the temple of the Holy Spirit, that date could be important to us.

Dan. 8:19 shows us that this prophecy belongs to "the last end of the indignation." Verses 23-26 say, "when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up. And his (the False Prophet's) power shall be mighty, but not by his own power (by Satan's): and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people. And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand. And the vision of the evening and the morning (v. 14, the 2300 days) which was told is true: wherefore shut thou up the vision; for it shall be for many days."

If the Tribulation starts on Iyar 28, 5764 (May 19, 2004), it would be the third day after Christ's Ascension Day, Iyar 25. Maybe the Rapture will be on ASCENSION DAY, Wed., May 16, 2004....

Rev. 11:1,2 says, "there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, RISE (to Heaven at the Pre-Trib Rapture?), and measure the temple of God (the Bride saints can be counted, the great multitude of Trib saints can't, Rev. 7:9,14; 14:3,4), and the altar, and them that worship therein. But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city (on Earth) shall they tread under foot forty and two months" (1260 days, the 1st half of the Tribulation). This would leave 1040 days for the Great Tribulation.

I figure that the end of the 2300 days would be the Day of God's Wrath, the Feast of Trumpets, Tishri 1, maybe Sept. 5, 2010.

Mid-Trib, the 1260th day, would be Wed. Oct. 31, 2007 (Cheshvan 19), Halloween. That is fitting for Satan and his angels are cast down to Earth Mid-Trib (Rev. 12:9). Satan enters into the False Prophet at that time. Agape

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