Pro and Con 1059

Posted 9-22-03

Incoming email, Re: ASCENSION DAY

What did the angel say about Christ returning in the same way he left?
Does this give a clue to the Pre-trib Rapture?

My reply

It just might.

Acts 1:3-12 says, "he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them FORTY DAYS, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God: And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but WAIT FOR THE PROMISE OF THE FATHER, which, saith he, ye have heard of me. For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence. When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel? And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the TIMES OR THE SEASONS, which the Father hath put in his own power. BUT YE SHALL RECEIVE POWER, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you (on Pentecost): and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth. And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, HE WAS TAKEN UP; AND A CLOUD RECEIVED HIM OUT OF THEIR SIGHT. And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? THIS SAME JESUS, WHICH IS TAKEN UP FROM YOU INTO HEAVEN, SHALL SO COME IN LIKE MANNER AS YE HAVE SEEN HIM GO INTO HEAVEN. Then returned they unto Jerusalem from the mount called Olivet, which is from Jerusalem a sabbath day's journey."

He went up to Heaven 10 days before Pentecost. Does that mean that we will be raptured on Ascension Day, 10 days before Pentecost? It just might. I have been exploring the possibility that the year of the Second Advent would be the next Jewish Leap Year after 5768 (2007/2008). That will be 5771 (2010/2011).

Here is what I have written so far:

MY THOUGHTS ON POSSIBLE DATES FOR THE PRE-TRIB RAPTURE, THE PRE-WRATH RAPTURE, THE DAY OF GOD'S WRATH, AND THE SECOND ADVENT

WILL THE YEAR OF SECOND ADVENT BE A JEWISH LEAP YEAR?

Eze. 38:18-20 and 39:12,13 indicates to me that there are 7 Jewish months between the Day of God's Wrath on Tishri 1 (Feast of Trumpets) and the Second Advent on Nisan 1 (first day of the Regnal and Sacred Year). Therefore, I think the Jewish Year of the Second Advent has to be a Leap Year.

Eze. 38:18-20 says, "it shall come to pass at the same time when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, saith the Lord GOD, that MY FURY shall come up in my face. For in my jealousy and in the fire of MY WRATH have I spoken, Surely in that day (Feast of Trumpets, Mal. 2:3; Joel 2:1-3; first day of the millennial Day of the Lord, Joel 1:15) there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel; So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake (world-wide earthquake) at my presence (paniym, face, i.e., the Sign of the Son of Man, Mt. 24:30, Rev. 6:14-17), and the mountains (asteroids of Rev. 8:8,10) shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground."

Rev. 16:19 says that "the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his WRATH." Isa. 30:25 adds, "And there shall be upon every high mountain, and upon every high hill, rivers and streams of waters in the day of the GREAT SLAUGHTER, WHEN THE TOWERS FALL."

Eze. 39:11-13 says, "it shall come to pass in that day, that I will give unto Gog a place there of graves in Israel, the valley of the passengers on the east of the sea: and it shall stop the noses of the passengers: and there shall they bury Gog and all his multitude: and they shall call it The valley of Hamongog. And SEVEN MONTHS shall the house of Israel be burying of them, that they may cleanse the land. Yea, all the people of the land shall bury them; and it shall be to them a renown the day that I shall be glorified (day of the Second Advent), saith the Lord GOD."

I think the Second Advent will be on the following Nisan 1. It is the first day of the Jewish Regnal Year and their Sacred Year. Thus, the year of the Second Advent would have to be a Jewish Leap Year with a 13th month. The next Leap Year after 5768 (2007/2008) is 5771 (2010/2011).

IS TISHRI 1, 5771 (SEPT. 9, 2010), THE DAY OF THE PRE-WRATH RAPTURE AND THE DAY OF GOD'S WRATH?

If 5771 is the year of the Second Advent, Tishri 1 (Sept. 9, 2010) would be the Day of God's Wrath.

Mal. 2:3 says, "your solemn feasts; and one shall take you away with it." Tishri 1 is the Feast of Trumpets, when the seven trumpet judgments hit Earth.

The first day of Christ's millennial reign will be the Day of God's Wrath. Joel 1:15 says, "Alas for the day! for the day of the LORD is at hand, and as a destruction from the Almighty shall it come." Joel 2:1-3 shows that the day of thick darkness is when they blow the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm, "for the day of the LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand." It starts at 6 PM. Verse 10 says, "The earth shall quake before them (the army led by Gog); the heavens shall tremble: the sun and the moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their shining."

That agrees with Mt. 24:28-31. It says, "wheresoever the carcase (body, i.e., the Body of Christ that is in Heaven. Luke 17:37 says, 'they that wait upon the LORD shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles; they shall run, and not be weary; and they shall walk, and not faint.') is, there will the eagles (high flying Tribulation saints, Isa. 40:31) be gathered together (i.e., in the Pre-Wrath Rapture). Immediately after the tribulation of those days (i.e., the shortened Tribulation) shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the SIGN OF THE SON OF MAN in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory (this is the Sign of the Son of Man; the Second Advent is 7 months future). And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet (the 'last trump' of God, I Cor. 15:51,52), and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of HEAVEN to the other."

Early on the Day of God's Wrath, the saints of the Pre-Trib Rapture are gathered "To the GENERAL ASSEMBLY and church of the firstborn, which are written IN HEAVEN" (Heb. 12:23).

The Tribulation saints are also gathered to the general assembly in Heaven. Mark 13:27 tells us about both groups of saints. It says, "then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the EARTH (in the Pre-Wrath Rapture) to the uttermost part of HEAVEN" (those previously caught up in the Pre-Trib Rapture, I Thess. 4:13-18).

This day of darkness, day of the Pre-Wrath Rapture, day of the Sign of the Son of Man, and Day of God's Wrath is spoken of in Rev. 6:12-17. It says, "I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and HIDE US FROM THE FACE OF HIM THAT SITTETH ON THE THRONE, AND FROM THE WRATH OF THE LAMB: FOR THE GREAT DAY OF HIS WRATH IS COME; and who shall be able to stand?"

IS TISHRI 1, 5771 (SEPT. 9, 2010), THE DAY OF THE PRE-WRATH RAPTURE?

If Tishri 1, 5771 (Sept. 9, 2010) is the night/morning of the Pre-Wrath Rapture, the destruction will follow at noon. Zeph. 2:1-5 says, "Gather yourselves together, yea, gather together, O nation not desired (Israel); Before the decree bring forth, before the day pass as the chaff, before the fierce anger of the LORD come upon you, BEFORE THE DAY OF THE LORD'S ANGER COME UPON YOU. SEEK YE THE LORD, all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought his judgment; seek righteousness, seek meekness: it may be ye shall be HID (i.e., in Heaven) IN THE DAY OF THE LORD'S ANGER. For Gaza shall be forsaken, and Ashkelon a desolation: they shall drive out Ashdod at the NOON DAY, and Ekron shall be rooted up. Woe unto the inhabitants of the sea coast". The burning mountain of Rev. 8:8 impacts the Mediterranean Sea at noon.

ALL BELIEVERS ARE IN HEAVEN GETTING THEIR REWARDS WHEN DESTRUCTION HITS THE UNBELIEVERS ON EARTH

Rev. 11:17,18 says, "We give thee thanks, O LORD God Almighty, which art (i.e., on the first day of Christ's millennial reign), and wast (at the First Advent), and art to come (at the Second Advent, which is still 7 months after this); because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast REIGNED. And the nations were angry, and THY WRATH IS COME, and the time of the dead, that they should be JUDGED (at the Judgment Seat of Christ), and that thou shouldest give REWARD unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; AND shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth."

DO THE 2300 DAYS of Dan. 8:13,14 APPLY TO THE LENGTH OF THE TRIBULATION?

There is a good chance that Dan. 8:13,14 shows that the shortened Tribulation will last 2300 literal days, evenings and mornings. Dan. 8:19 says, "I will make thee know what shall be in THE LAST END OF THE INDIGNATION: for at the time appointed (probably the Feast of Trumpets) THE END shall be."

Dan. 8:23-26 says, "when the transgressors are come to THE FULL, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up (the False Prophet). And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power (by Satan's): and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people (including killing Moses and Elijah, Rev. 11:7). And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and BY PEACE SHALL DESTROY MANY: HE SHALL ALSO STAND UP AGAINST THE PRINCE OF PRINCES (Jesus Christ); BUT HE (the False Prophet) SHALL BE BROKEN WITHOUT HAND. And THE VISION OF THE EVENING AND THE MORNING (the 2300 days) WHICH WAS TOLD IS TRUE: wherefore shut thou up the vision; for it shall be for many days."

Dan. 8:13,14 says, "Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, HOW LONG shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice (i.e., the first 1260 days of the Tribulation), and the transgression of desolation (placing the Mid-Trib abomination of desolation, Mt. 24:15, and sitting in the temple 'shewing himself that he is God,' II Thess. 2:4), to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot? And he said unto me, UNTO TWO THOUSAND AND THREE HUNDRED DAYS; THEN SHALL THE SANCTUARY BE CLEANSED."

If the cleansing of the temple takes place on Tishri 1, 5771 (Sept. 9, 2010), the 2300 days will start on May 23, 2004 (Sivan 3, 5764). If that is the beginning of the Tribulation, the Pre-Trib Rapture will take place before that.

IF THE TRIBULATION STARTS ON SIVAN 3, THE RAPTURE WON'T BE ON PENTECOST, SIVAN 6/7

Acts 1:3 says that Jesus "shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them FORTY DAYS, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God." Since he was seen alive on Resurrection Day, that would count as day one.

Counted by Jewish inclusive reckoning, from Resurrection Day (Wednesday, Nisan 16, April 7, 2004) to Ascension Day (Sunday, Iyar 25; May 16, 2004) is 40 days. Since the Head of the Body of Christ ascended on the 40th day, I wonder if we will also ascend on Ascension Day.

All the things in Song of Solomon 2:10-14 fit Ascension Day as well as Pentecost. It's spring, the doves have returned to Israel, the wild flowers appear, the grape blossoms and tender grapes give a good smell. Any earlier than this, there would probably not be blossoms and grapes on the vines.

Song 2:10-17 says, "My beloved (i.e., Christ) spake, and said unto me (in Rev. 4:1 he says 'Come up hither;' here he says), RISE UP, my love (the Bride of Christ), my fair one, and COME AWAY. (i.e., at the Pre-Trib Rapture). For, lo, the winter is past (it is spring), the rain (latter rain of Nisan) is over and gone; The flowers appear on the earth; the time of the singing of birds ('of birds' is not in the text; this seems to be the 'new song' of Rev. 5:9, sung by the saints after the Rapture) is come, and the voice of the turtle (lit., turtledove) is heard in our land (Israel); The fig tree (Israel) putteth forth her green figs, and the vines with the tender grape give a good smell. ARISE, my love, my fair one, and COME AWAY. O my dove, that art in the clefts of the rock, (i.e., in Christ, our rock) in the secret places ('places' is not in the original; this is the secret of the stairs, like Jacob's ladder reached from Earth to Heaven) of the stairs, let me see thy countenance, let me hear thy voice; for sweet is thy voice, and thy countenance is comely. Take us the foxes, the little foxes, that spoil the vines: for our vines have tender grapes. My beloved (Christ) is mine, and I (the Bride of Christ) am his: he feedeth among the lilies. Until the day break, and the shadows flee away, turn, my beloved, and be thou like a roe or a young hart upon the mountains of Bether" (meaning separation, hinting that there are two Raptures).

The Pre-Trib Rapture is as the days of Noah (Mt. 24:37). Noah had a 7-day warning, but so did anyone that saw him loading supplies and animals. Gen. 7:4 says, "For yet SEVEN DAYS, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth." When Noah entered the Ark, Saturn was in Orion and at the border of Gemini. When Noah left the Ark, Saturn was in the middle of Gemini.

Sunday, Iyar 25 (May 16, 2004) is one week before Sunday, Sivan 3 (May 23, 2004), when the 2300 days might start. The Rapture, our disappearing, would be a great 7-day warning of the coming Tribulation.

I think Saturn is Heaven. It will not only be in Gemini on Ascension Day, May 16, 2004 (Iyar 25, 5764), but it will be in conjunction with Mars. Venus will be nearby in Taurus.

Saturn travels along the ecliptic; so does Gemini. In Gemini, the Bride and Bridegroom sit together resting in heavenly places. Since it takes the slowest planet, Saturn, 29.5 years to come back to the same spot again, it seems that the Rapture will take place during this pass. Saturn is in Gemini now and will be on the border of Cancer/Gemini by Nov. 1, 2004.

I found that Saturn was on the border of Aries (the Ram) when Jesus was born in BC 5 and in Gemini at the Crucifixion, Resurrection, Ascension and Pentecost in 30 AD. Saturn will also be in a central position in Gemini on Ascension Day in 2004.

Eph. 1:3 says, "Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ."

Eph. 2:6 says, "And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus."

Eph. 3:10 says, "To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God."

SUGGESTED DATES

Pre-Trib Rapture - Ascension Day - Sun., May 16, 2004 (Iyar 25, 5764) - Saturn in Gemini
Beginning of Tribulation - Sun., May 23, 2004 (Sivan 3, 5764)
Mid-Trib - Sun., Nov. 4, 2007 (23 Cheshvan 5768) - temple desecrated
Pre-Wrath Rapture - Thur. Sept. 9, 2010 (Tishri 1, 5771) night/morning
Day of the Lord comes - Day of God's Wrath - Sept. 9, 2010 - asteroids hit at noon.
Second Advent - Tue. April 5, 2011 (Nisan 1, 5771) - Saturn in Virgo

Virgo (i.e., the virgin of whom is the seed of Gen. 3:15) is the sign of Zebulon (which means dwelling, habitation), and Nazareth (branch; OT name for Christ) is in Zebulon's area. It all ties in beautifully with Christ.

Saturn was in Aries (the Ram) when Jesus was born on the Feast of Trumpets in BC 5. It was in Gemini during the Crucifixion, Resurrection Ascension Day and Pentecost in 30 AD. Saturn was in Gemini when Noah entered and exited the Ark, and the Pre-Trib Rapture is as the days of Noah (Mt. 24:37).

Saturn is in Gemini now, and will still be in Gemini on Ascension Day in 2004. I think Gemini is the sign of the Pre-Trib Rapture. Once Saturn leaves Gemini, it won't pass through it again for a long time. It takes 29.5 years for Saturn to circle the Sun. It looks like the time that Saturn stays in Gemini is our rapture window. I'm hoping for the Rapture before Sivan 3, 5764 (May 23, 2004). Next Ascension Day has a good chance to be the day of the Pre-Trib Rapture. Agape

Incoming email, Re: rosh hashanah rapture

I see you are starting to think rosh hashanah 2003 could be the rapture.I agree with you.another reason besides those you gave is this rosh is the end of the 3rd of 7 bad years.in genesis ch 46 verse 29 jacob(type of christ)and joseph(type of elect) were reunited in 3rd of 7 bad years. i think this is a picture of the rapture.also I agree with you in placing christ ressurection at 30 ad which means 2,000 jewish years or 2 days of hosea ch 6 verse 3 have been fulfilled(for church age).all the previus feasts have been fulfilled on exact day ex;feast of weeks fulfiiled by pentecost. thanks

My reply

Since you sent this, I posted Pro and Con 1058, which you will want to read. Here is some food for thought.

Since we are getting so close to Sept. 13, 2007, Tishri 1, 5768 (which I thought would be the Day of God's Wrath that would begin the Millennium), I checked out the next Jewish Leap Year, 5771. Tishri 1 is Sept. 9, 2010.

Subtracting the 7-year Tribulation, we come back to Tishri 1, 5764 (which starts Sept. 27, 2003. Since the last half of the 7 years is to be shortened (Mt. 24:21,22), I decided to see when 2300 days (Dan. 8:13,14) before Tishri 1, 5771 (Sept. 9, 2010) would start. It came out Sivan 3, 5764 (May 23, 2004).

Maybe the Tribulation will begin on Sivan 3, 5764 (May 23, 2004).

I noticed that Ascension Day will be Iyar 25 (May 16, 2004), one week before the 2300-day count began on May 23. I wonder if the Rapture ascension will take place on Ascension Day. Christ is the head of the Body of Christ, and he ascended that day. Maybe we will too.

Dan. 8:13,14 says, "Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice (1st half of the Tribulation), AND the transgression of desolation (committed Mid-Trib by the False Prophet sitting in the Temple "shewing himself that he is God, II Thess. 2:4), to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot? And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed."

The 2300 days include the 1260 days when the Israelites can sacrifice, plus 1040 days (the shortened Great Tribulation), when they can't sacrifice.

The 1260 days, when the two witnesses prophesy (Rev. 11:3), would end on Nov. 4, 2007. That would be what I call Mid-Trib, when the False Prophet kills Moses and Elijah. Agape

Incoming email, Re: What did Peter Kumar really say?

From: Jim Bramlett, 9-16-03

There has been some discussion about what Pastor Peter Kumar of New Zealand really did say about his November 2000 revelation concerning Arafat and the rapture. See http://www.choicesforliving.com/spirit/prophesy/prophesy/!SSL!/WebHelp/June_28,_2002.htm

I reviewed what I have, plus I discussed it with Dr. Neil Lipkin, my original source and one who has actually spoken with Kumar.

One thing is clear: Kumar's written testimony (see below) is less optimistic about a rapture soon following Arafat's removal. For example, he sees the removal followed by a period of violence, works of the anti-christ (maybe not the person, as we are already seeing the anti-christ spirit at work), and the rapture not happening until after a Middle East peace.

However, Lipkin says that his early telephone conversation with Kumar was definitely more optimistic that the rapture would follow soon after the removal of Arafat. Kumar admits he is not up on Bible prophecy. He also admitted to Lipkin that he is not good at saying things in writing. My personal take is that, as is typical, his first recollection of the revelation, revealed orally to Lipkin, is probably the most accurate and that over time personal opinion began to be inserted.

One thing for sure: Step One is the removal of Arafat. But that does not necessarily mean the rapture is the next day.

Below are excerpts from Kumar's own words, addressed to Dr. Lipkin:

"I am an itinerary evangelist and have just returned after holding series of meetings both within New Zealand and outside New Zealand. The Lord spoke to me, as if a man would speak to me, on November 26th, 2000. It was 2:45 AM and the Lord said, 'Peter I'm coming very soon', the Lord has mentioned to me several times that He is coming soon. So I went on my knees and was waiting to listen and then my spirit began to converse with the Lord and I asked Him to give me some signs from which I will know that He is coming soon. The Lord gave me 2 signs that morning. The first sign was Yasser Arafat. The Lord told me that He has kept this person in this particular time and context according to His purpose but soon He will remove him. When He said this I saw a picture of a hand holding a set of cards and another hand picking a card and throwing it down as if the card would not serve any purpose anymore. Then the Lord said, 'after I remove him, Peter look for the works of the anti-christ.'

"Your questions about the timing of rapture makes me think aloud with you while I am very careful not to suggest a month, day or year, I believe rapture will happen when the first peace accord will be arrived and negotiated for peace arises and brings forth an apparent peace."

(Note: He said, "I believe..." He did not say, "The Lord said..." Therefore, that part is speculation.) Jim

My reply to a post on Five Doves site

Sean Lewis (19 Sep 2003)
"When Is The Opening Of The Sixth Seal?"
http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/sep2003/seanl919.htm
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Sean wrote:
> > The text in Rev. 6:12-13 that refers to the sixth seal reads as follows:
> > "And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

> > Now compare the contents of the sixth seal as stated above with Matt. 24:29 below:
> > "Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken".
> > Now, have you noticed that they are the same thing? The sixth seal will not be opened until AFTER the tribulation is over.

You may have jumped to a premature conclusion. The "tribulation of those days" in Mt. 24:29 is not quite the whole Tribulation. To get the whole picture, we need to look at all the pertinent scriptures.

Think about it a minute. Since the 7 trumpets of God's wrath come out of the 7th seal on the Feast of Trumpets, the Tribulation can't be over at the breaking of the 6th seal. In the outpouring of God's Wrath, the asteroids of Rev. 8:8,10 impact Earth at the 2nd and 3rd trumpets. There will be a world-wide earthquake, every wall will fall (Eze. 38:20), and the cities of the nations will fall (Rev. 16:19).

I think the 6th seal is the Eve of Trumpets, one day before the 7th seal is broken on the Day of God's Wrath. Between the 6th and 7th seal seems to be where the days are to be shortened.

The 6th seal is broken in Rev. 6:12. Small rocks begin to fall on Earth in verse 13. Men are hiding in the mountains and rocks "from the wrath of the Lamb in verse 16. Why are they hiding? Verse 17 explains, "For the great day of his wrath is come (at 6 PM), and who shall (still future, even though it will be at noon, Zeph. 2:2-5) be able to stand."

The 7th seal is broken in Rev. 8:1. It says, "And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour." After that silence in Heaven and Earth (Hab. 2:20), during which the righteous judge is probably seated before the court (the Judgment Seat of Christ), the seven angels are given the 7 trumpets.

The saints in Heaven receive their rewards while the unbelievers on Earth receive their just rewards for their unbelief on the first day of Christ's millennial reign. Rev. 11:16-18 says, "And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats (thrones), fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, Saying, We give thee thanks, O LORD God Almighty, which art (i.e., as of today reigning), and wast (at the First Advent), and art to come (at the Second Advent 7 months later, Eze. 39:12,13); because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; AND shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth."

Incoming email, Re: what are the dates for trumpets atonement and tabernacles

or do you know where i can get the dates? thank you

My reply

Trumpets - Sept. 27, 2003
Day of Atonement - Oct. 6
Tabernacles - Oct. 11 Agape

My reply to a post on Five Doves site

David Campbell (20 Sep 2003)
Re: When is the opening of the sixth seal?
http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/sep2003/davidc920.htm
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From: Marilyn Agee:
Re: When the Day of the Lord begins

> > Joel 2:31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, BEFORE the great and the terrible day of the LORD come. > > Did you see that? These evetns will happen BEFORE the great and terrible day of the Lord come - the Tribulation.

As I understand it, the sun will be darkened when the sixth seal is broken on the Eve of Trumpets. At 6 PM that day, the millennial Day of the Lord will begin. That is the end of the shortened Tribulation, not the beginning of the Tribulation, when the first seal is broken.

Rev. 6:12-17 says, "I beheld when he had opened the SIXTH SEAL, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the SUN BECAME BLACK as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. And the heaven (heavens, atmospheric) departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?" The first day of the Millennial Day of the Lord is the Day of God's Wrath.

Moses must come before the Day of the Lord arrives. Mal. 4:5 says, "Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet BEFORE the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD." Agape

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